I'm a lore channel, not a political commentary. I honestly have very little interest in pushing my own beliefs on others.. but one of the reasons I love tv, film, etc.. is that I beleive that it allows us to relate and look at things for our selves. So if I can challenge people to think that I try to do that..while entertaining them.. if I can do it in a way that challenges both sides and lets them think for themselves.. then i've done what i set out to do.
Worf knows the Klingon won't complain about being hit by Worf because doing so would be an even greater dishonor. Worf knows it is something he can get away with. He'd never hit a human officer in that case.
It's a Klingon culture thing. They hit and punch each other all the time. Heck murdering your superior officer in the right context is considered fine.
@@MandalorV7 It's that way IRL too. If your superior officer is clearly trying to get you all killed, you can get rid of him. A number of stupid and irrational officers have been killed by "fumbled" grenades, misfires, etc.
@@LanMandragon1720 not legal but when you piss off your whole unit and try to get them killed it's going to happen and no one is going to say a thing about it.
wern't they constantly flying around with out shields and only turned them on when they needed em? i dunno about you but i think i would always have my shields up.
DevilJin honestly when you think about it thr shields being up constantly would’ve prevented every episode that involved an intruder getting on board... so... yeah why wasn’t that standard procedure? I mean something like a “transport shield” would be the equivalent of having a lock on your front door at night.
I think there is possibly a strategy in place with Starfleet Command - assuming there are people are smart as Picard running Starfleet. As Picard always said, dealing with the Romulans was like a game of chess - and in chess you would often leave a valuable piece at risk, to see if the opponent would go for it. The Romulans sabotaging the Enterprise is not necessarily a prelude to an attack on the ship, but rather an attempt to see how Starfleet responds. So Starfleet might choose to react lightly for the only purpose as to force the Romulans to make the next aggressive move. After all, if four D'Deridex-class warbirds suddenly decloaked around the Enterprise and blew it up, then that is a clear act of war and unless something has been already uprooted, that's the Federation and Klingons against the Romulans. Remember "The Defector," when a high-ranking Romulan defected because he thought a new war would result in the death of the Empire. Even with Starfleet's loss at Wolf 359, it was still a gamble to make an open assault on the Federation when the Klingons were still clearly an ally. Which was obviously the point of this conflict. It wasn't about making a clear military strike, as that would have always resulted in a total failure. That was never a threat. The threat was far more subtle and that was the whole story.
The plan in "The Defector" was a Mole hunt. It was specifically targeted at the defecting romulan Admiral (Jarok?) by the Tal Shiar to test his loyalty. There never was a plan to attack or an attack on the Federation. They only fed him that information (though possibly by moving their fleet/troops in a way similar to preperations for attack, which they could always claim were "fleet exercises"). Also in "Drumhead" there was never a plan to attack by the Romulans. The "sabotage" was just material fatigue... But the reputation of the Romulans and the fear of not knowing if the situation was created by the Romulans did play a big part in Sati's crusade.
@@Tezunegari Yes, you are right. I was referring to what they "thought" was going on, rather than what turned out to be the truth. Starfleet believed the Enterprise had been sabotaged at first and that it could have been the beginning of a larger attack. Similarly, Jarok believed the Empire wanted another war with the Federation and his military knowledge led him to believe that such an act would be devastating for the Romulans. So Starfleet's response would be determined by what they thought was going on, rather than what the ultimate truth turned out to be. Its also a good example as to why its important that Starfleet didn't overreact.
Well you could also say that the Enterprise did have several ships, Klingon, and Starfleet ships, at different strategic points around her. A couple of light years away, on full alert, sensor on maximum ready to jump right to the Enterprise should Romulans show up. Photon torpedoes are warp capable, so once a Starfleet ship jumps into warp it can fire torpedoes. Federation weapons seem to have pin pint accuracy so Enterprise would be in little danger from friendly fire. The Klingon ships could be closer and able to uncloak and begin engaging the Romulans as well. It is a joke that military intelligence is an oxymoron, but Starfleet just might have a contingency plan ready and already in place once the Enterprise reported its problem.
Just because people on a military base are being monitored constantly doesn't mean civilians are. Starfleet has no idea what's happening on civilian vessels like Cassidy Yates' ship or at private establishments like Sisko's dad's restaurant. They don't police or protect those locations unless specifically asked to (except that time that Admiral Layton made blood screenings mandatory). Civilians on the ship are being monitored (eg the kids on the Enterprise), but that doesn't mean they're monitoring the people off the ship. There is a pretty solid rationale for monitoring the civilians: if the child/family member of a high-ranking officer like Jake Sisko was kidnapped, it could be used to blackmail or otherwise control his father, so keeping tabs on him will help prevent that or at least find him if he is kidnapped. To me that's different from a Big Brother situation. When you decide to live aboard a Starfleet vessel (whether after signing up, as a civilian like Quark, or as a family member of someone who has), you're acknowledging and agreeing to certain risks and countermeasures to those risks. We've heard of tons of people who have ended relationships on the basis of not wanting to live that life.
An in some cases like Jake and Quark. They KNEW the danger more then once. And even DECIDED to assume such a risk hoping to play secret agent behind enemy lines in Hope's of HELPING their military loved ones hoping to lessen the risk to them despite the huge very real risk to themselves that they was all too aware of.
There's a good argument to be made that kids can't make that kind of choice and that their parents are subjecting them to a lot of danger, but there's also the counter-argument that if you're going to be gone for 5 years on a single mission, that's more than a quarter of a kid's childhood that you wouldn't spend with them. Giving your child up for adoption or sending them to live with your parents like Worf did with Alexander can have serious long-term consequences for their well-being. They can develop a sense of abandonment or issues with self esteem. It's not a simple choice and we've seen people struggling with it. Ben Sisko in S1E1 considered resigning his commission and he tells Picard that it is because he didn't think DS9 was a good place to raise Jake. Rom sent Nog and Leeta away from the station when the Dominion war heated up, and Miles O'Brien was frequently separated from Keiko and their kids by work and by war. That kind of interpersonal drama is very human, it's very relatable and that's why we're discussing this show at all.
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the smart home control systems and such they have in the show would potentially contain a lot of useful data and I would presume that like today that data could probably be obtained by order of a court. Things like when the entry door is operated and by which authorised user etc would likely be logged along with all commands to the computer, remembering past commands by user would be helpful to remember things like the last setting used it's just convenient if "computer lights" can serve as a shorthand for turn the lights on at the brightness setting I used last etc. Though that is of course is very different to having 24/7 surveillance at your fingertips but it does certainly seem likely that absent a sudden revolution where everyone becomes opposed to computers storing data to be more convenient for the user etc that so much tech being around would mean a ton of stuff is available to authorised investigators too.
@@seraphina985 that Technology opposition actually DOES exist. According to the Dune universe. They hate it for used anything. An that's how Socialist societies like to operate so your thoughts wouldn't be far off.
I dont always agree with your ethical conclusions, but I deeply appreciate your treatise on the idea that we need to stop letting people divide us. When we become critical of our systems but cut ourselves short of criticizing our *own* policies, then we feed right into the agenda of demagogues and those who wish to sow discord. Well done.
Everytime I hear this episode title it makes me remember fooling around with a girl that played snare at band camp when I was in school 20 years ago. I still remember getting that drum head.
Very skillfully done, pointing out the moral argument to be made whilst not favoring either political viewpoint which honestly are tearing people apart regardless of the side they are on. This definitely adds new appreciation to this timeless episode of TNG.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the weak security on Enterprise-D with that engine issue. When we had a boiler blow on USS America(CV-66) The security around engineering was really high. Like have your ID ready as go down to engineering. Then a few days later we were towed to the nearest shipyard. I like the break down you are doing keep up the good work.
Lore Reloaded this is epic and this episode certainly in some ways prophetic to what we see happening right now. This is going to be your best yet and certainly has my attention.
This has been, so far, my favorite video that you've done. Sometimes the best way to point the issues in our current world is to point at the mirror of fiction and tell people to look
It's mentioned in that episode where a kid survives his Oberth class blowing up, then acts like data, that essentially you have to unlock the panels of LCARS via touch to use them. That would require biometrics databases of all starfleet personnel (not just shipwide) and be very easy to log for big brother purposes.
Worf roughed up the other Klingon because their culture sees violence differently. Humans find verbal confrontation to be preferable to physical confrontation and Klingons are the opposite. The other Klingon offended Worf with a dishonorable bribe and the fight was literally his retort.
@@LoreReloaded you're going to have to be more specific. Cultural obligations cannot interfere with a crew members duty but alterations like this to the kingons are more akin to a pair of Betazoids communicating telepathically. Starfleet is a multicultural organization and again as long as their duty is not compromised in the process, cultural idiosyncrasies have been allowed if not encouraged. To us as humans that was an assault. To the klingons involved it was no worse than the disagreement we are having right now. Seeing that the federation has had plenty of experience with Klingon culture they would be aware of this. As a parallel, I point to Wesley Crusher's encounter with a non human member of Starfleet where aggressive behavior and insults were considered polite in their culture and Wesley used this knowledge to his advantage. This is no different in practice.
Also this episode foreshadows the romulan involvement in the klegnon civil war, when the half Romulan daughter of Tasha Yar leads a mission to infiltrate Starfleet space with a tactic specifically designed to beat the federation's sensors. It is worth noting, that the federation had specific sensors along their border to detect cloaked ships and a tachyon grid or something. This may be why the federation seemed so confident even after the flagship was supposedly attacked. They simply believed that the romulans couldn't attack the federation.
1:40 Yo. Do more engineering stuff like you did here. I never knew about the backup batteries - phasers stuff. There's a whole video series I didn't know I needed until just now --Star Trek Engineering --Star Trek Diplomacy --Star Trek Interplanetary Politics --Federation Laws Run with bro
Thought-provoking video. You covered a controversial topic without telling us one certain group is right and another certain group is wrong. Some folks say "Trek was always political," but like both the episode in question and your video, the perspective is usually balanced instead of promoting one ideology. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, and all that. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
Fun fact: nuclear submarines usually have batteries for means of power distribution more than backup, but also keep diesel generators and a small supply of fuel on have specifically for backup during emergencies that put the reactor offline.
I 100% agree with what you said about the reactor not being enough to fight a D'Deridex, but I have to correct your analogy. I don't think Nuclear subs don't really use batteries, but conventional subs (which in *battle situations can be just as capable as a nuclear sub) do most of their combat on batteries, as opposed to Diesel which makes a lot more power (at the expense of not being usable any lower than snorkel depth).
Love the video. They may not have had warp power, but the impulse (fusion) engines may not have had them as exposed as much as you might believe. DS9 only ran on 4 fusion reactors consistently (DS9 Tech Manual).
1000%correct on us not hearing the message of this episode today. We've all gotta realize the other side are not demons, just people trying to get by the best they can, just like all of us. Flaws and all, if we can just see our reflection in our brothers on the other r side and realize THEY ARE OUR BROTHERS, we can hopefully start to heal and get back to normal conversation.
I've always wondered why the saucer impulse engines weren't brought online to provide additional power with the warp core offline. Why not spread the pull for power instead of overworking the main empulse engine.
My dude, that last bit was deep. Because it is true. I have made a similar argument that we are being turned against each other by our enemies. But no one is really listening. Someone took Orwell and Star Trek as instruction manuals, and we are all suffering for it. How tragic.
Is this ep particularly relevant to today's politics though? I think people who think today's politics are different in some way really have not researched the history of politics, particularly the sweeping changes of the 1960s and 70s.
People want to play the victim and say that there is a witch hunt right now. There isn't a witch hunt, it is a proper investigation that is following each lead as the perpetrators try to give someone else up to gain a plea bargain. What we have are an unreasonable number of people that are dirty and never should have tried to run the American government like a criminal syndicate.
The unfortunate difference between now and the McCarthyism of the 60s is that now these ad hominems and mob mentality have not only infected, but are actively perpetuated by universities. The main institution(s) that historically were used to shut the B.S down is(are) now the one(s) that enforce(s) it.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. ~Aesop, Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC) [www.quotationspage.com/quote/725.html] Politics is politics is politics. Two thousand years ago the middle east was at war with itself and politicians were crooks, today the middle east is at war and politicians are crooks; the Bible warns that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
@@LoreReloaded I think another good episode would be :Nothing Human" from Voyager. Where a scorpion like alien latched on to Belana and the only thing that could save her was research from a Carassian butcher
Very good video, although, the title might be, "The more things change, the more they stay the same. At the time this episode aired, I was just thinking it was an allegory for MaCarthy hearings, but as I got older, Im seeing examples over and over. Keep up the good work!
i was under the impression that the warp core powers, well.... only the warp drive. *maybe* the warp core would be used to power other things, but it has to be a real emergency for that. it doesnt sound smart for the warp core to power anything other than the warp drive. it certaintly didnt even look like the enterprise was low on power.
It was rather pathetic that they almost never had guards protecting vital systems. This level of security or lack thereof would be unacceptable aboard a cruise ship much less the flagship of any fleet military or otherwise.
I agree 100%. Star fleet should have sent support to D in order to protect it. I mean as we learn later in the series the romulans will do just about anything to get the tech on the enterprise. more to that point this episode shows just how utterly inept starfleet is especially when you consider that during the pegasus epsiode, where the romulans may get ahold of a means to the ultimate cloak weapon and subsequently a way to justify all out war on the federation, they again...send one damn ship, one of the most dangerous moments in 60 years of federation history, send the glass cannon enterprise. As yoda would say....."That is why you fail."
Its interesting how you try very hard not to pick a side in real world politics, and as well as you played that thin line you will still be classified as ALT-Right. I for one like the content and how you show some of the the big plot holes that was in Star Trek. Also like some of the theories you bring to the table. Keep up the good work and ignore the labels. Labels do not make arguments - Spock
I actually just rewatched this episode this month for my upcoming Rumination. Some thoughts, in rough order; First, this episode was actually done as a budget show to save up money for other, more expensive Season 4 outings. This doesn't excuse what you bring up at the beginning though; the Enterprise is just left hanging in space with nothing. I get that this is in the 'no fleet' era of Star Trek (where showing a whopping FOUR ships on screen at once is insanely rare) but lines of dialogue talking about other ships either nearby or literally on hand that they don't necessarily have to show in establishing shots would have helped with this niggle. The rest of your discussion is basically fantastic. Because the wonderful descent of what is acceptable isn't just done in character, it's done out of character, and it's a wonderful way to challenge the audience and the characters simultaneously. If only this had some lasting impact. Oh one last note. Am I the only one who noticed that the thematic position of the Romulans (foreign power that tests the 'soul' of the Federation by forcing it against itself and dividing it) would eventually be subsumed by the Dominion? I sometimes wonder if that happened because the idea of that on a grand scale was literally not allowed at this era in Star Trek.
Good analysis of the episode, and the way you tied it to modern day. The only thing I would change is the comment of internal security. With all the advances of virtual security in their time it is hard to say they had no increase. Also who do you trust to pull guard duty when everyone is suspect of being a collaborator with the Klingon?
Who can you trust in that situation? Off-site personel brought in by the ships rerouted for escort duty. Sati should have received a larger contingent of Security and Intelligence Officers to take over internal security of the Enterprise and made vetting the local security personel to increase the numbers that can be trusted asap. I'd love to see an analysis of the security measures they might have available... (tracking of location and computer access, replicator / holodeck use, brainwaves according to VOY) and how a consistent application of these would have influenced the episodes.
Tezunegari Starfleet seemed so naive at the time. Like during the early DS9 days when the Admirals would have unquestionable trust in any Officer even after seeing that the moles were almost exclusively made up of Starfleet personnel. They even would blame Odo for following the orders of Starfleet while Starfleet officers committed crimes.
Did you do an episode about the Enterprise episode observer effect where non-corporeal aliens inhabited bodies of Enterprise crewmates and observed what happens when a unknown virus infects members of the crew? There was a lot in this episode that sound like it would be interesting to discuss but it's episodes like this that I think I like best about Syfy in general it's not the aliens are alien it's that they may see ethics different than us and that helps us to see how we live in a different way
Lax security continued on and on. Quark had top level clearance from his bar with his special red crystal and Seven of Nine could stick her tubules into Neelix's kitchen stove and have full access of anything.
Very dificult that the romulans can enter Federation space their are sensor nets install their is also a grid for track romulan ships but true the Enterprise should have gone to a starbase with heavy escort
Only issue I take with your view is the part about Big Brother watching the Starfleet crew. The expectations of privacy aboard a military vessel are different standards than those granted to civilians in a private setting. Overall I enjoyed your take on the first half of this episode. There are definitely some lessons to be learned here that apply to the current political climate. I find some solace in charity -- people simply helping people regardless of which box they check on the ballot. That keeps me sane and reminds me that we're all Americans.
6:15 Aaaactually.... I think specieist (despite the animal rights connotations) may be more appropriate as xenophobia could relate to human pockets outside of Federation norms. Anyway, continue. Perhaps the sure mark of good parable writing is that it can be applied without loosing relevance years before or after the fact.
One of your best Lore. The OPSEC aboard the Enterprise was horrible, especially given their defensive capabilities, and their "false safety is ruptured" panic is consistent with other episodes, and series', we see it numerous times in DS9 and elsewhere, it's as though the writers were trying to warn is all about something... Further, and finally, yes, you have quite firmly hit the nail on its proverbial head; there is something fishy going on, everybody's fighting each other, and while we're all spinning into chaos, bad actors, internal and external, are profiting greatly. All the while, we're missing desperate messages like this from our communal near past which should've stood to serve as warnings against exactly what we're seeing happen today. It's starting to give me the feeling that Gene was right about the coming atomic horror, the food riots in the internment camps filled to bursting with the poors and the politically undesirable or incorrect wrong-thinkers and thought-criminals... Yeah, sorry... I've been in a dark place since 2015... and there's just no end in sight.
Watching the episode now: Worf assaulting G'dan - while Worf was in uniform and on duty, this was yet another "Klingon thing". He was told "help me escape and your honor will be restored." How could a dishonorable act bring honor? And how could one with honor not answer such a craven bit of dishonor. Tarses hearing - an obvious bit of necessary exposition, in a manner needed to move the story along. But, shouldn't he have been notified of a counsel (Riker), and had a chance to speak to his counsel *before* the hearing? Monitoring People - Visa knows where I buy gasoline, what books I read, and my diet. At anytime, anyone can tap a combadge, or a wall panel and ask "where is Lt. Cmdr. Data?" And be told he is on the holodeck, and given a light strip guiding the way there. The computer tracks all sorts of data about the crew and passengers. But this is not generally monitored by any person. T'Pel - why are Picard and Work excoriated for the failings of the Admiral Henry, who is sitting there watching? This Romulan got past *his* department for years. But the Enterprise was supposed to realize that a person with proper clearances and credentials was not who she appeared?
A receptive telepath/empath like Troi isn't unethical to use in an investigation, any more than a person that's good at reading facial expressions visually. A more invasive form of telepathy, such as a Vulcan mind-meld would be unethical, though.
IMO, the social media reference wasn't biased. Although Trump posts some disgusting stuff on twitter, I'm ashamed to say the Democrats are acting very childishly as well. Great video.
There are many people who doesnt really have arguments, only thing they know is throwing around insults when someone doesnt agree with them. Actually it happens both on right and left. I usually hate when people blame the media, but I have to admit mainstream media is guilty of this and one of the main perpetrators. It's really easy to call someone racist and sexist and rake in the views than actually debunk their arguments. Thats why people love ST. Its very rare it happens in the show and the narrative always displays it in negative light, usually meaning claiming such a thing is to cover up something. I dont like Trump but not because he is racist or sexist (I think he is, but not to an extreme degree). But this is not a political channel, so I dont want to go in too deep.
@@Debilinside If Trump is a racist he is extremely bad at it. Non whites have the best employment rates since they started the racist way of classifying people into groups base on skin color. Non whites are keeping more money than they have in the past 30 years. If Trump is anything he is a troll and very good at it, he is no where near racist. You want to see real racism look no farther then the Democrat part and any one who is not white disagrees with them and see what they are allowed to call them and say about them, I will give you a hint it's not really nice stuff and if it was a Republican saying it to a Democrat they would be label racist and rightfully so. Oh i know you said you didn't want your comment to be political but by mentioning Trumps name and saying he is racist made it extremely political. Trying to soft peddle it does not make it non political. If you do not want political responses leave names and parties out of the comments or you will just get more people challenging you on bad form comments.
As a staunch conservative I mostly agree although whether Trump is racist or not who really knows what's in his head for sure, regardless Trump posts some absurd stuff and Democrats acted like overgrown 5 year olds during the kavanaugh hearings it's all really a big bunch of childishness.
AKSHULLY the word is “speciest”. I heard that word for the first time in a sequel to Species and it was the dumbest thing I’d heard in a while, so good job not being a pedantic UA-camr.
I appreciate your attempt to not hit the nail too squarely on the head. as with any political intrigue, the obvious explanations are often not only incorrect, but exactly the purpose of the aforementioned intrigue. To be blunt, the issues with Rus. and the US did not begin with 2016 . or 1989. Or 1945. It has always, throughout human history, been the game of those who hold the status quo vs those who wish to shift it. If any parallel can be drawn between the starry eyed federation and the imperial hegemony of the US today, in this context anyway, I would say that it is the willingness of people to believe that which confirms or conforms most comfortably with a personal view of the world. The red scare was a canard of the right from the 1950s until the 1990s. Now the same suspicion and dogma recycled for the 2010's and likely forwards for the western Left. The proposition that an obscured (purposefully) actor on one side or another could be feeding this exact type of division and suspicion to mask or obscure a political/military goal is not only possible, but based on our history Probable.
There is no need for more security, the Romulans are not going to go out of its way to destroy 1 ship that deep in federation space. What's the point? Just for 1 ship?
@Micah Leith The romulans are going to send a fleet deep into federation space to star a war just for a moral victory? I didn't realize the romulans are retards.
In navy terms today a specialist like that Klingon in the episode isn’t aloud anywhere close to anything and they are escorted everywhere they go so I dunno why he was left to roam free lol
Every crewmember is already being tracked and at least from 2371 onwards brainwaves are recorded at all times (at least according to Voyager) to identify possession. So he might have been on the honor system... with the warning that any violation of restricted areas or unusal use of replicators will have him confined to the brig/quarters.
yeah, If only the writers could make episodes like this today without devolving to the point of namecalling viewers of the show. Great vid Lore and crew. B)
Drumhead probably had more to do at the time with Executive Order 12711, deferring the mass deportation of Chinese, and/or Operation Sundevil, since there was a lot of talk about computer hacking and tampered evidence (the results of which helped lead into the Harken Energy Scandal of 1990). There was also the Geneva Peace Conference that ended the Soviet-Afghan war (although left the region just unstable enough for Al Queda to kill off Massud on Sept 9 2001 by posing as journalists). These consequences were somewhat mirrored in the Dominion War storyline. The fact that the words of wisdom said then rings just as true today is purely a coincidence of people not listening to good advice, or the good advice not working.
Everything I finds no evidence that anything like that happened.. and it's described exactly like what happened in The Conspiracy.. Most resources state it's from that point..
@@LoreReloaded Ok I just read the Memory Alpha entry, they do say that the information in Drumhead matches the events of Conspiracy, however as the entry noted Sati was not mentioned in that episode. So either Starfleet gave Sati credit for Picard and Riker's action, ignoring Captain Keel and the Horatio deaths, a horrible move, or Starfleet is so dumb that they got invaded by parasites twice. As a long time Star Trek fan the later makes more sense.
I use Memory ALpha as a resource but not gospel. They were one of a few that state it is.. As I said, it's not something set in stone. i think the writers were just trying to do a call back.. and didn't think the logic of that through
No they don't, not back in the TNG era. That was started in Voyager as part of the writing to show how dire the straits were. In the Federation, they would've had ready access to friendly forces and assets. Thus, no need for something like Condition Gray.
@@danielseelye6005 really? i remember something like that happening on the first episode with the Ferengi. both ships got trapped by a planetary defence system that was literally sucking both ship dry of power.
@@IronWarhorsesFun I remember that episode with the T'Kon Imperial sentinel. It was never called Condition Gray, they were trying to conserve energy until the situation was dealt with, but it wasn't something they had on a regular basis. Voyager had no Federation backup so they created a new procedure to stretch their resources from one port to another.
Good points @Lore , Yes the infighting in the US is leading towards civil unrest, and quite possibly Civil War if we are not careful. However, one point of distinction, the reality is that like Star Trek TNG's episode "Drumhead", there are very real facts for backing up the animosity and the power-plays by both sides. In context, the Klingons, at least several thousand warriors and a dozen fleets, were planning a coup with aid from the Romulan Star Empire. Duras' heir had been found, Sela was sending supplies over the border in cloaked ships, and yes, Klingon officers/diplomats/ambassadors were corrupted by Romulans. To me, these points cannot be forgotten or forgiven in context of later episodes that proved the paranoia was true; maybe Picard was right about the excess of witch hunt, but he also saw the same "real issues of geopolitical maneuvering. As for the parallels to modern political issues in the US, On the Conservative side with arguments against Liberals: Is there legitimate issues with Illegal immigration? Yes, it's also rising due to the dramatic need from refugees fleeing nations. Is there a link between the rise of illegal immigration with the higher rate of Hispanic crime rate? Yes, the issue comes about due to poverty, low skill level, and issues of 1st generation immigrants. The same could be seen in early Irish and Italian immigrants at the turn of the 20th century as well. Liberals say such talk is racist, but look, the reality is that if the United States accepts all these refugees, we must be ready for the higher costs to society, because unlike normal immigration, this kind of dramatic immigration can never be planned out. The cost to our local, state, and national infrastructure will need decades to absorb the additional population. For people who believe in Class warfare, you should see the obvious flaws this creates in society Now as for Liberal side with arguments against conservatives: Did the Russians do damage to the US political system? Yes, the network of social media trolls, hacked details, and indicted conspirators show there was activity. Are there Americans, who supported Russian espionage agents? Yes, as well, including well known groups like the NRA and power brokers that go up to President Trumps inner circle Conservatives are too afraid to admit the honest truth; there were misdeeds done with foreign support. Maybe some want to believe that the message and the need to stop illegal immigration is worth being in bed with Russians, maybe others just want to deny that fact in order to sleep soundly of "just" (As Alfred Bester puts it from Babylon 5). For people who call themselves Patriots and sons of Liberty, you should realize that if the messenger is the devil himself, the message is tainted and it will only offer bitter fruit. @Lore, I agree with you that both sides are wrong and need to see the whole truth before their mutually distinct vision destroys them both and all of us with them.
Every season has historically been a 'year' .. This happens two seasons after the best of both worlds. I concur that this doesn't seem to fit events..which is why i said 'possible'.
@@LoreReloaded I t actually takes place 7-9 months after 359, the Battle took place Stardate 43997 and Picard was rescued approximately 2 days later. The Drumhead is Stardate 44769.2 making it approximately September or October of Earth year 2367....
IDK... sometimes people are called racist because they do and say racist things. Blaming every runny nose on the one non Starlfleet Klingon on board... that's a bit racist.
while Russia could have tampered I am much more worried about corporations and billionaires buying politicians at wholesale prices, thus making so the American people can never get any of the policies that would actually help us.
Good video but I am cringing at what the next may bring. You kept the political comparisons to general but I feel this could easily be a jump off point to start bringing up more specific thing or people. Please don’t. Please don’t ruin this channel. Other than that, great video.
Lore Reloaded if it were the anti trekker then maybe. But with you there’s faith but it’s a slippery slope my friend. It’s easy to go down a path and not realize it until after it’s happened. Anyways. Love the channel. Love it more when the videos are more than 4 min. They seem more like teasers. Need some more B5 thrown in as well. Seems like it’s been a while.
Impressive, you played both sides of the political coin without force feeding it down our throats. A true Trek lesson, well played Lore.
I'm a lore channel, not a political commentary. I honestly have very little interest in pushing my own beliefs on others.. but one of the reasons I love tv, film, etc.. is that I beleive that it allows us to relate and look at things for our selves. So if I can challenge people to think that I try to do that..while entertaining them.. if I can do it in a way that challenges both sides and lets them think for themselves.. then i've done what i set out to do.
Lore Reloaded be careful that sounds like hate speech advocating for people to think for themselves.
@@WrectumTerror Oh no! You mean I've been following a hate monger on this channel? Now I have to get this channel taken down! jk
Worf knows the Klingon won't complain about being hit by Worf because doing so would be an even greater dishonor. Worf knows it is something he can get away with. He'd never hit a human officer in that case.
It's a Klingon culture thing. They hit and punch each other all the time. Heck murdering your superior officer in the right context is considered fine.
@@MandalorV7 It's that way IRL too. If your superior officer is clearly trying to get you all killed, you can get rid of him. A number of stupid and irrational officers have been killed by "fumbled" grenades, misfires, etc.
@@cattraknoff That may happen, but it is not condoned.
@@cattraknoff Yes it's called fragging its not legal or condoned though
@@LanMandragon1720 not legal but when you piss off your whole unit and try to get them killed it's going to happen and no one is going to say a thing about it.
tng had mall security level of security in series
The Jarric so... rent-a-redshirt?
wern't they constantly flying around with out shields and only turned them on when they needed em? i dunno about you but i think i would always have my shields up.
@@BrokenEyes00 yeah training seems roughly same macos were pretty competent thou woud think theu upgrade after flagship gets hijacked like second time
DevilJin honestly when you think about it thr shields being up constantly would’ve prevented every episode that involved an intruder getting on board... so... yeah why wasn’t that standard procedure?
I mean something like a “transport shield” would be the equivalent of having a lock on your front door at night.
@@BrokenEyes00 evon worse if batle ship woud get hijacked it woud be red alert on competent military fed didint even bother with extra red shirts
I think there is possibly a strategy in place with Starfleet Command - assuming there are people are smart as Picard running Starfleet.
As Picard always said, dealing with the Romulans was like a game of chess - and in chess you would often leave a valuable piece at risk, to see if the opponent would go for it. The Romulans sabotaging the Enterprise is not necessarily a prelude to an attack on the ship, but rather an attempt to see how Starfleet responds. So Starfleet might choose to react lightly for the only purpose as to force the Romulans to make the next aggressive move.
After all, if four D'Deridex-class warbirds suddenly decloaked around the Enterprise and blew it up, then that is a clear act of war and unless something has been already uprooted, that's the Federation and Klingons against the Romulans.
Remember "The Defector," when a high-ranking Romulan defected because he thought a new war would result in the death of the Empire. Even with Starfleet's loss at Wolf 359, it was still a gamble to make an open assault on the Federation when the Klingons were still clearly an ally.
Which was obviously the point of this conflict. It wasn't about making a clear military strike, as that would have always resulted in a total failure. That was never a threat. The threat was far more subtle and that was the whole story.
Assuming intelligence in the Federation is, to say the least, illogical.
The plan in "The Defector" was a Mole hunt. It was specifically targeted at the defecting romulan Admiral (Jarok?) by the Tal Shiar to test his loyalty. There never was a plan to attack or an attack on the Federation. They only fed him that information (though possibly by moving their fleet/troops in a way similar to preperations for attack, which they could always claim were "fleet exercises").
Also in "Drumhead" there was never a plan to attack by the Romulans. The "sabotage" was just material fatigue...
But the reputation of the Romulans and the fear of not knowing if the situation was created by the Romulans did play a big part in Sati's crusade.
@@Tezunegari Yes, you are right. I was referring to what they "thought" was going on, rather than what turned out to be the truth. Starfleet believed the Enterprise had been sabotaged at first and that it could have been the beginning of a larger attack. Similarly, Jarok believed the Empire wanted another war with the Federation and his military knowledge led him to believe that such an act would be devastating for the Romulans.
So Starfleet's response would be determined by what they thought was going on, rather than what the ultimate truth turned out to be. Its also a good example as to why its important that Starfleet didn't overreact.
Well you could also say that the Enterprise did have several ships, Klingon, and Starfleet ships, at different strategic points around her. A couple of light years away, on full alert, sensor on maximum ready to jump right to the Enterprise should Romulans show up. Photon torpedoes are warp capable, so once a Starfleet ship jumps into warp it can fire torpedoes. Federation weapons seem to have pin pint accuracy so Enterprise would be in little danger from friendly fire. The Klingon ships could be closer and able to uncloak and begin engaging the Romulans as well. It is a joke that military intelligence is an oxymoron, but Starfleet just might have a contingency plan ready and already in place once the Enterprise reported its problem.
I will not abide the slander of the son of mogh.
I hope your old friend Nick Night feels the same way
Innocence by association?
The road from genuine suspicion to rampant parinoia is shorter than we like to think (or something like that) - Picard.
Great episode as always Lore. Loving the drops of some real knowledge as well my friend. Respect.
Just because people on a military base are being monitored constantly doesn't mean civilians are. Starfleet has no idea what's happening on civilian vessels like Cassidy Yates' ship or at private establishments like Sisko's dad's restaurant. They don't police or protect those locations unless specifically asked to (except that time that Admiral Layton made blood screenings mandatory). Civilians on the ship are being monitored (eg the kids on the Enterprise), but that doesn't mean they're monitoring the people off the ship. There is a pretty solid rationale for monitoring the civilians: if the child/family member of a high-ranking officer like Jake Sisko was kidnapped, it could be used to blackmail or otherwise control his father, so keeping tabs on him will help prevent that or at least find him if he is kidnapped. To me that's different from a Big Brother situation. When you decide to live aboard a Starfleet vessel (whether after signing up, as a civilian like Quark, or as a family member of someone who has), you're acknowledging and agreeing to certain risks and countermeasures to those risks. We've heard of tons of people who have ended relationships on the basis of not wanting to live that life.
An in some cases like Jake and Quark. They KNEW the danger more then once. And even DECIDED to assume such a risk hoping to play secret agent behind enemy lines in Hope's of HELPING their military loved ones hoping to lessen the risk to them despite the huge very real risk to themselves that they was all too aware of.
There's a good argument to be made that kids can't make that kind of choice and that their parents are subjecting them to a lot of danger, but there's also the counter-argument that if you're going to be gone for 5 years on a single mission, that's more than a quarter of a kid's childhood that you wouldn't spend with them. Giving your child up for adoption or sending them to live with your parents like Worf did with Alexander can have serious long-term consequences for their well-being. They can develop a sense of abandonment or issues with self esteem. It's not a simple choice and we've seen people struggling with it. Ben Sisko in S1E1 considered resigning his commission and he tells Picard that it is because he didn't think DS9 was a good place to raise Jake. Rom sent Nog and Leeta away from the station when the Dominion war heated up, and Miles O'Brien was frequently separated from Keiko and their kids by work and by war. That kind of interpersonal drama is very human, it's very relatable and that's why we're discussing this show at all.
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the smart home control systems and such they have in the show would potentially contain a lot of useful data and I would presume that like today that data could probably be obtained by order of a court. Things like when the entry door is operated and by which authorised user etc would likely be logged along with all commands to the computer, remembering past commands by user would be helpful to remember things like the last setting used it's just convenient if "computer lights" can serve as a shorthand for turn the lights on at the brightness setting I used last etc. Though that is of course is very different to having 24/7 surveillance at your fingertips but it does certainly seem likely that absent a sudden revolution where everyone becomes opposed to computers storing data to be more convenient for the user etc that so much tech being around would mean a ton of stuff is available to authorised investigators too.
@@seraphina985 that Technology opposition actually DOES exist. According to the Dune universe. They hate it for used anything. An that's how Socialist societies like to operate so your thoughts wouldn't be far off.
I dont always agree with your ethical conclusions, but I deeply appreciate your treatise on the idea that we need to stop letting people divide us. When we become critical of our systems but cut ourselves short of criticizing our *own* policies, then we feed right into the agenda of demagogues and those who wish to sow discord.
Well done.
its good to see your using actual Trek to get your personal thoughts across about the state of our country across. Keep it up Lore, I like your style.
Nice setup, looking forward to the next one
Everytime I hear this episode title it makes me remember fooling around with a girl that played snare at band camp when I was in school 20 years ago. I still remember getting that drum head.
Comment of the day.
LOL 11:15 that is some dank social commentary
America is on the edge. If only we had a calm and rational president who calm everything down instead of pouring gasoline on everything!
The use of government resources for political gain is a threat to everything, no matter which side it's promoting.
Actually....good video! ;)
Actually.... This is a good breakdown. Thanks for making this and the other video in the series
Very skillfully done, pointing out the moral argument to be made whilst not favoring either political viewpoint which honestly are tearing people apart regardless of the side they are on. This definitely adds new appreciation to this timeless episode of TNG.
The whole parasite angel just got me thinking!! What if Satai herself was a parasite?? Mixing in waiting for the right climate to strike!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the weak security on Enterprise-D with that engine issue. When we had a boiler blow on USS America(CV-66) The security around engineering was really high. Like have your ID ready as go down to engineering. Then a few days later we were towed to the nearest shipyard. I like the break down you are doing keep up the good work.
Your videos are excellent brother!
Lore Reloaded this is epic and this episode certainly in some ways prophetic to what we see happening right now. This is going to be your best yet and certainly has my attention.
This has been, so far, my favorite video that you've done. Sometimes the best way to point the issues in our current world is to point at the mirror of fiction and tell people to look
5:35 aaaaaaaand the video is demonetized.
If I'm lucky! Strike territory here..
THE FORCE ISN'T FEMALE 😂
It's mentioned in that episode where a kid survives his Oberth class blowing up, then acts like data, that essentially you have to unlock the panels of LCARS via touch to use them. That would require biometrics databases of all starfleet personnel (not just shipwide) and be very easy to log for big brother purposes.
Worf roughed up the other Klingon because their culture sees violence differently. Humans find verbal confrontation to be preferable to physical confrontation and Klingons are the opposite. The other Klingon offended Worf with a dishonorable bribe and the fight was literally his retort.
I'm pretty sure that cultural normatives aren't considered by starfleet in regard to physically attacking another individual.
@@LoreReloaded and you're basing that on...?
@@mocha9072 the shows... that clearly dictate starfleet policy.
@@LoreReloaded you're going to have to be more specific. Cultural obligations cannot interfere with a crew members duty but alterations like this to the kingons are more akin to a pair of Betazoids communicating telepathically. Starfleet is a multicultural organization and again as long as their duty is not compromised in the process, cultural idiosyncrasies have been allowed if not encouraged.
To us as humans that was an assault. To the klingons involved it was no worse than the disagreement we are having right now. Seeing that the federation has had plenty of experience with Klingon culture they would be aware of this.
As a parallel, I point to Wesley Crusher's encounter with a non human member of Starfleet where aggressive behavior and insults were considered polite in their culture and Wesley used this knowledge to his advantage. This is no different in practice.
I love the Drumhead. It's definitely in my top 3 favorite TNG episodes. I really enjoyed the breakdown too! Thanks for making it.
Also this episode foreshadows the romulan involvement in the klegnon civil war, when the half Romulan daughter of Tasha Yar leads a mission to infiltrate Starfleet space with a tactic specifically designed to beat the federation's sensors. It is worth noting, that the federation had specific sensors along their border to detect cloaked ships and a tachyon grid or something. This may be why the federation seemed so confident even after the flagship was supposedly attacked. They simply believed that the romulans couldn't attack the federation.
1:40 Yo. Do more engineering stuff like you did here. I never knew about the backup batteries - phasers stuff.
There's a whole video series I didn't know I needed until just now
--Star Trek Engineering
--Star Trek Diplomacy
--Star Trek Interplanetary Politics
--Federation Laws
Run with bro
Thought-provoking video. You covered a controversial topic without telling us one certain group is right and another certain group is wrong. Some folks say "Trek was always political," but like both the episode in question and your video, the perspective is usually balanced instead of promoting one ideology. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, and all that. Looking forward to the rest of the series!
I really enjoy this series. This is one of your best work!
glad you enjoy
Fun fact: nuclear submarines usually have batteries for means of power distribution more than backup, but also keep diesel generators and a small supply of fuel on have specifically for backup during emergencies that put the reactor offline.
I 100% agree with what you said about the reactor not being enough to fight a D'Deridex, but I have to correct your analogy. I don't think Nuclear subs don't really use batteries, but conventional subs (which in *battle situations can be just as capable as a nuclear sub) do most of their combat on batteries, as opposed to Diesel which makes a lot more power (at the expense of not being usable any lower than snorkel depth).
Thank you for drawing the parallels between this episode and the current "unrest" in the USA.
I love the social commentary, spot on.
Hey guys please excuse the last two screw-ups my voice to text is not working too good tonight
All good
Critical thinking is a skill that seems to get forgotten every few decades. Thank you for making this.
Awesome man. Truly awesome
Love the video. They may not have had warp power, but the impulse (fusion) engines may not have had them as exposed as much as you might believe.
DS9 only ran on 4 fusion reactors consistently (DS9 Tech Manual).
Right, and my grandma's old coal stove is the same as a coal-fired power plant.
1000%correct on us not hearing the message of this episode today. We've all gotta realize the other side are not demons, just people trying to get by the best they can, just like all of us. Flaws and all, if we can just see our reflection in our brothers on the other r side and realize THEY ARE OUR BROTHERS, we can hopefully start to heal and get back to normal conversation.
Aux Ex Machina
Secret secondary warp core in the stealth captions-yacht
I've always wondered why the saucer impulse engines weren't brought online to provide additional power with the warp core offline. Why not spread the pull for power instead of overworking the main empulse engine.
My dude, that last bit was deep. Because it is true. I have made a similar argument that we are being turned against each other by our enemies. But no one is really listening. Someone took Orwell and Star Trek as instruction manuals, and we are all suffering for it. How tragic.
Is this ep particularly relevant to today's politics though? I think people who think today's politics are different in some way really have not researched the history of politics, particularly the sweeping changes of the 1960s and 70s.
even if they haven't changed, it could be still relevant..just makes it always relevant.. ;)
Reactionary Politics is nothing new. LOOK AT McCARTHY in the 60s.
People want to play the victim and say that there is a witch hunt right now. There isn't a witch hunt, it is a proper investigation that is following each lead as the perpetrators try to give someone else up to gain a plea bargain. What we have are an unreasonable number of people that are dirty and never should have tried to run the American government like a criminal syndicate.
The unfortunate difference between now and the McCarthyism of the 60s is that now these ad hominems and mob mentality have not only infected, but are actively perpetuated by universities. The main institution(s) that historically were used to shut the B.S down is(are) now the one(s) that enforce(s) it.
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
~Aesop, Greek slave & fable author (620 BC - 560 BC)
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Politics is politics is politics. Two thousand years ago the middle east was at war with itself and politicians were crooks, today the middle east is at war and politicians are crooks; the Bible warns that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
Can you make a video about the starfleet jag and episode The Measure of a Man?
Lore Reloaded maybe you should review the episode Conspiracy?
I agree there should be a break down
@@LoreReloaded and the episode with the MOST brutal phaser death I have ever seen...
@@LoreReloaded I think another good episode would be :Nothing Human" from Voyager. Where a scorpion like alien latched on to Belana and the only thing that could save her was research from a Carassian butcher
Very good video, although, the title might be, "The more things change, the more they stay the same. At the time this episode aired, I was just thinking it was an allegory for MaCarthy hearings, but as I got older, Im seeing examples over and over. Keep up the good work!
Awesome I’d man keep them coming.
I tell you this Drumhead crap is some good stuff keep it up Lore
i was under the impression that the warp core powers, well.... only the warp drive. *maybe* the warp core would be used to power other things, but it has to be a real emergency for that. it doesnt sound smart for the warp core to power anything other than the warp drive. it certaintly didnt even look like the enterprise was low on power.
It was rather pathetic that they almost never had guards protecting vital systems. This level of security or lack thereof would be unacceptable aboard a cruise ship much less the flagship of any fleet military or otherwise.
I agree.. different times
I agree 100%. Star fleet should have sent support to D in order to protect it. I mean as we learn later in the series the romulans will do just about anything to get the tech on the enterprise. more to that point this episode shows just how utterly inept starfleet is especially when you consider that during the pegasus epsiode, where the romulans may get ahold of a means to the ultimate cloak weapon and subsequently a way to justify all out war on the federation, they again...send one damn ship, one of the most dangerous moments in 60 years of federation history, send the glass cannon enterprise. As yoda would say....."That is why you fail."
Its interesting how you try very hard not to pick a side in real world politics, and as well as you played that thin line you will still be classified as ALT-Right. I for one like the content and how you show some of the the big plot holes that was in Star Trek. Also like some of the theories you bring to the table. Keep up the good work and ignore the labels.
Labels do not make arguments - Spock
I actually just rewatched this episode this month for my upcoming Rumination. Some thoughts, in rough order; First, this episode was actually done as a budget show to save up money for other, more expensive Season 4 outings. This doesn't excuse what you bring up at the beginning though; the Enterprise is just left hanging in space with nothing. I get that this is in the 'no fleet' era of Star Trek (where showing a whopping FOUR ships on screen at once is insanely rare) but lines of dialogue talking about other ships either nearby or literally on hand that they don't necessarily have to show in establishing shots would have helped with this niggle.
The rest of your discussion is basically fantastic. Because the wonderful descent of what is acceptable isn't just done in character, it's done out of character, and it's a wonderful way to challenge the audience and the characters simultaneously. If only this had some lasting impact.
Oh one last note. Am I the only one who noticed that the thematic position of the Romulans (foreign power that tests the 'soul' of the Federation by forcing it against itself and dividing it) would eventually be subsumed by the Dominion? I sometimes wonder if that happened because the idea of that on a grand scale was literally not allowed at this era in Star Trek.
Good analysis of the episode, and the way you tied it to modern day.
The only thing I would change is the comment of internal security.
With all the advances of virtual security in their time it is hard to say they had no increase.
Also who do you trust to pull guard duty when everyone is suspect of being a collaborator with the Klingon?
Who can you trust in that situation? Off-site personel brought in by the ships rerouted for escort duty.
Sati should have received a larger contingent of Security and Intelligence Officers to take over internal security of the Enterprise and made vetting the local security personel to increase the numbers that can be trusted asap.
I'd love to see an analysis of the security measures they might have available... (tracking of location and computer access, replicator / holodeck use, brainwaves according to VOY)
and how a consistent application of these would have influenced the episodes.
Tezunegari Starfleet seemed so naive at the time. Like during the early DS9 days when the Admirals would have unquestionable trust in any Officer even after seeing that the moles were almost exclusively made up of Starfleet personnel. They even would blame Odo for following the orders of Starfleet while Starfleet officers committed crimes.
I like watching your videos about the TNG episode The Drumhead
Did you do an episode about the Enterprise episode observer effect where non-corporeal aliens inhabited bodies of Enterprise crewmates and observed what happens when a unknown virus infects members of the crew? There was a lot in this episode that sound like it would be interesting to discuss but it's episodes like this that I think I like best about Syfy in general it's not the aliens are alien it's that they may see ethics different than us and that helps us to see how we live in a different way
Lax security continued on and on. Quark had top level clearance from his bar with his special red crystal and Seven of Nine could stick her tubules into Neelix's kitchen stove and have full access of anything.
Very dificult that the romulans can enter Federation space their are sensor nets install their is also a grid for track romulan ships but true the Enterprise should have gone to a starbase with heavy escort
Great video while I was on the can thank u
Only issue I take with your view is the part about Big Brother watching the Starfleet crew. The expectations of privacy aboard a military vessel are different standards than those granted to civilians in a private setting. Overall I enjoyed your take on the first half of this episode. There are definitely some lessons to be learned here that apply to the current political climate. I find some solace in charity -- people simply helping people regardless of which box they check on the ballot. That keeps me sane and reminds me that we're all Americans.
I was being sarcastic ;P
Well said!!!!!
Best episode imo
6:15 Aaaactually.... I think specieist (despite the animal rights connotations) may be more appropriate as xenophobia could relate to human pockets outside of Federation norms.
Anyway, continue.
Perhaps the sure mark of good parable writing is that it can be applied without loosing relevance years before or after the fact.
One of your best Lore.
The OPSEC aboard the Enterprise was horrible, especially given their defensive capabilities, and their "false safety is ruptured" panic is consistent with other episodes, and series', we see it numerous times in DS9 and elsewhere, it's as though the writers were trying to warn is all about something...
Further, and finally, yes, you have quite firmly hit the nail on its proverbial head; there is something fishy going on, everybody's fighting each other, and while we're all spinning into chaos, bad actors, internal and external, are profiting greatly.
All the while, we're missing desperate messages like this from our communal near past which should've stood to serve as warnings against exactly what we're seeing happen today.
It's starting to give me the feeling that Gene was right about the coming atomic horror, the food riots in the internment camps filled to bursting with the poors and the politically undesirable or incorrect wrong-thinkers and thought-criminals...
Yeah, sorry... I've been in a dark place since 2015... and there's just no end in sight.
Watching the episode now:
Worf assaulting G'dan - while Worf was in uniform and on duty, this was yet another "Klingon thing". He was told "help me escape and your honor will be restored." How could a dishonorable act bring honor? And how could one with honor not answer such a craven bit of dishonor.
Tarses hearing - an obvious bit of necessary exposition, in a manner needed to move the story along. But, shouldn't he have been notified of a counsel (Riker), and had a chance to speak to his counsel *before* the hearing?
Monitoring People - Visa knows where I buy gasoline, what books I read, and my diet. At anytime, anyone can tap a combadge, or a wall panel and ask "where is Lt. Cmdr. Data?" And be told he is on the holodeck, and given a light strip guiding the way there. The computer tracks all sorts of data about the crew and passengers. But this is not generally monitored by any person.
T'Pel - why are Picard and Work excoriated for the failings of the Admiral Henry, who is sitting there watching? This Romulan got past *his* department for years. But the Enterprise was supposed to realize that a person with proper clearances and credentials was not who she appeared?
One of my favorite episodes of TNG, awesome choice.
A receptive telepath/empath like Troi isn't unethical to use in an investigation, any more than a person that's good at reading facial expressions visually. A more invasive form of telepathy, such as a Vulcan mind-meld would be unethical, though.
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IMO, the social media reference wasn't biased. Although Trump posts some disgusting stuff on twitter, I'm ashamed to say the Democrats are acting very childishly as well. Great video.
There are many people who doesnt really have arguments, only thing they know is throwing around insults when someone doesnt agree with them. Actually it happens both on right and left. I usually hate when people blame the media, but I have to admit mainstream media is guilty of this and one of the main perpetrators. It's really easy to call someone racist and sexist and rake in the views than actually debunk their arguments.
Thats why people love ST. Its very rare it happens in the show and the narrative always displays it in negative light, usually meaning claiming such a thing is to cover up something.
I dont like Trump but not because he is racist or sexist (I think he is, but not to an extreme degree). But this is not a political channel, so I dont want to go in too deep.
@@Debilinside If Trump is a racist he is extremely bad at it. Non whites have the best employment rates since they started the racist way of classifying people into groups base on skin color. Non whites are keeping more money than they have in the past 30 years. If Trump is anything he is a troll and very good at it, he is no where near racist. You want to see real racism look no farther then the Democrat part and any one who is not white disagrees with them and see what they are allowed to call them and say about them, I will give you a hint it's not really nice stuff and if it was a Republican saying it to a Democrat they would be label racist and rightfully so.
Oh i know you said you didn't want your comment to be political but by mentioning Trumps name and saying he is racist made it extremely political. Trying to soft peddle it does not make it non political. If you do not want political responses leave names and parties out of the comments or you will just get more people challenging you on bad form comments.
As a staunch conservative I mostly agree although whether Trump is racist or not who really knows what's in his head for sure, regardless Trump posts some absurd stuff and Democrats acted like overgrown 5 year olds during the kavanaugh hearings it's all really a big bunch of childishness.
@@Jason-de9mq yeah I get that but can't we get past a simple comment of someone's opinion otherwise we're doomed as a nation.
Just a suggestion, next time you do Serenity, change your coat color???
This episode takes place less than a year after the Battle of Wolf 359.
i like the ending music, makes me think of stargate
AKSHULLY the word is “speciest”.
I heard that word for the first time in a sequel to Species and it was the dumbest thing I’d heard in a while, so good job not being a pedantic UA-camr.
oh, hey there, i finally got notified of a new video.
#winning
Our great nation- USA or UK? Can apply to both
I appreciate your attempt to not hit the nail too squarely on the head. as with any political intrigue, the obvious explanations are often not only incorrect, but exactly the purpose of the aforementioned intrigue.
To be blunt, the issues with Rus. and the US did not begin with 2016 . or 1989. Or 1945. It has always, throughout human history, been the game of those who hold the status quo vs those who wish to shift it.
If any parallel can be drawn between the starry eyed federation and the imperial hegemony of the US today, in this context anyway, I would say that it is the willingness of people to believe that which confirms or conforms most comfortably with a personal view of the world.
The red scare was a canard of the right from the 1950s until the 1990s. Now the same suspicion and dogma recycled for the 2010's and likely forwards for the western Left. The proposition that an obscured (purposefully) actor on one side or another could be feeding this exact type of division and suspicion to mask or obscure a political/military goal is not only possible, but based on our history Probable.
There is no need for more security, the Romulans are not going to go out of its way to destroy 1 ship that deep in federation space. What's the point? Just for 1 ship?
TentaclePentacle
Ermmm this is the enterprise. Destroying the flagship would be incredibly demoralising and well worth the risk.
@Micah Leith
The romulans are going to send a fleet deep into federation space to star a war just for a moral victory? I didn't realize the romulans are retards.
They're deep in Federation space during peacetime. Also, the Romulans don't fight that way. They won't risk an all-out war just to take down one ship.
In navy terms today a specialist like that Klingon in the episode isn’t aloud anywhere close to anything and they are escorted everywhere they go so I dunno why he was left to roam free lol
Every crewmember is already being tracked and at least from 2371 onwards brainwaves are recorded at all times (at least according to Voyager) to identify possession.
So he might have been on the honor system... with the warning that any violation of restricted areas or unusal use of replicators will have him confined to the brig/quarters.
yeah, If only the writers could make episodes like this today without devolving to the point of namecalling viewers of the show.
Great vid Lore and crew. B)
Drumhead probably had more to do at the time with Executive Order 12711, deferring the mass deportation of Chinese, and/or Operation Sundevil, since there was a lot of talk about computer hacking and tampered evidence (the results of which helped lead into the Harken Energy Scandal of 1990).
There was also the Geneva Peace Conference that ended the Soviet-Afghan war (although left the region just unstable enough for Al Queda to kill off Massud on Sept 9 2001 by posing as journalists).
These consequences were somewhat mirrored in the Dominion War storyline.
The fact that the words of wisdom said then rings just as true today is purely a coincidence of people not listening to good advice, or the good advice not working.
Mm! I have to admit I never thought of these things before. The things you learn.
It can be fun to look into
We know the Caesars we're in bad shape but the Enterprise did still have a shitload of
Interesting.
Episodes like this one is why trek is timeless and what’s wrong with STD.
I love your political commentary. Thank You
I thought that Sati uncovered a different parasite invasion.
Everything I finds no evidence that anything like that happened.. and it's described exactly like what happened in The Conspiracy.. Most resources state it's from that point..
@@LoreReloaded Ok I just read the Memory Alpha entry, they do say that the information in Drumhead matches the events of Conspiracy, however as the entry noted Sati was not mentioned in that episode. So either Starfleet gave Sati credit for Picard and Riker's action, ignoring Captain Keel and the Horatio deaths, a horrible move, or Starfleet is so dumb that they got invaded by parasites twice. As a long time Star Trek fan the later makes more sense.
I use Memory ALpha as a resource but not gospel. They were one of a few that state it is.. As I said, it's not something set in stone. i think the writers were just trying to do a call back.. and didn't think the logic of that through
Starfleet doesnt want to be called racist for calling out two Klingons beating the shit out of each other
Starfleet ships have Condition Gray which is essentially turning of EVERYTHING that isn't ABSOLUTLY necessary in extreme circumstances.
No they don't, not back in the TNG era. That was started in Voyager as part of the writing to show how dire the straits were. In the Federation, they would've had ready access to friendly forces and assets. Thus, no need for something like Condition Gray.
@@danielseelye6005 really? i remember something like that happening on the first episode with the Ferengi. both ships got trapped by a planetary defence system that was literally sucking both ship dry of power.
@@IronWarhorsesFun I remember that episode with the T'Kon Imperial sentinel. It was never called Condition Gray, they were trying to conserve energy until the situation was dealt with, but it wasn't something they had on a regular basis. Voyager had no Federation backup so they created a new procedure to stretch their resources from one port to another.
Ya the crew were literally freezing😂
@@IronWarhorsesFun And I got an idea if it after this polar vortex in Michigan.
Wooooo! Romulans number 1!
Good points @Lore , Yes the infighting in the US is leading towards civil unrest, and quite possibly Civil War if we are not careful.
However, one point of distinction, the reality is that like Star Trek TNG's episode "Drumhead", there are very real facts for backing up the animosity and the power-plays by both sides.
In context, the Klingons, at least several thousand warriors and a dozen fleets, were planning a coup with aid from the Romulan Star Empire. Duras' heir had been found, Sela was sending supplies over the border in cloaked ships, and yes, Klingon officers/diplomats/ambassadors were corrupted by Romulans.
To me, these points cannot be forgotten or forgiven in context of later episodes that proved the paranoia was true; maybe Picard was right about the excess of witch hunt, but he also saw the same "real issues of geopolitical maneuvering.
As for the parallels to modern political issues in the US,
On the Conservative side with arguments against Liberals:
Is there legitimate issues with Illegal immigration? Yes, it's also rising due to the dramatic need from refugees fleeing nations.
Is there a link between the rise of illegal immigration with the higher rate of Hispanic crime rate? Yes, the issue comes about due to poverty, low skill level, and issues of 1st generation immigrants. The same could be seen in early Irish and Italian immigrants at the turn of the 20th century as well.
Liberals say such talk is racist, but look, the reality is that if the United States accepts all these refugees, we must be ready for the higher costs to society, because unlike normal immigration, this kind of dramatic immigration can never be planned out. The cost to our local, state, and national infrastructure will need decades to absorb the additional population.
For people who believe in Class warfare, you should see the obvious flaws this creates in society
Now as for Liberal side with arguments against conservatives:
Did the Russians do damage to the US political system? Yes, the network of social media trolls, hacked details, and indicted conspirators show there was activity.
Are there Americans, who supported Russian espionage agents? Yes, as well, including well known groups like the NRA and power brokers that go up to President Trumps inner circle
Conservatives are too afraid to admit the honest truth; there were misdeeds done with foreign support. Maybe some want to believe that the message and the need to stop illegal immigration is worth being in bed with Russians, maybe others just want to deny that fact in order to sleep soundly of "just" (As Alfred Bester puts it from Babylon 5).
For people who call themselves Patriots and sons of Liberty, you should realize that if the messenger is the devil himself, the message is tainted and it will only offer bitter fruit.
@Lore, I agree with you that both sides are wrong and need to see the whole truth before their mutually distinct vision destroys them both and all of us with them.
Well put.
5:18 Lore drops red pills
It's not possible for it to be a couple of years as the Klingon Civil War ended 13 months after the Battle of Wolf 359....
Every season has historically been a 'year' .. This happens two seasons after the best of both worlds. I concur that this doesn't seem to fit events..which is why i said 'possible'.
@@LoreReloaded I t actually takes place 7-9 months after 359, the Battle took place Stardate 43997 and Picard was rescued approximately 2 days later. The Drumhead is Stardate 44769.2 making it approximately September or October of Earth year 2367....
@@LoreReloaded they should just use the Human calendar like ENTERPRISE did.....lol
Aaaaactially...i agree
I feel like your aren't really a democrat or a republican Lore but a commensenser which is pretty good to
"So you'll forgive me" - *aaactually* no those people probably won't... -_-
IDK... sometimes people are called racist because they do and say racist things. Blaming every runny nose on the one non Starlfleet Klingon on board... that's a bit racist.
What foreign power? O3O
while Russia could have tampered I am much more worried about corporations and billionaires buying politicians at wholesale prices, thus making so the American people can never get any of the policies that would actually help us.
Good video but I am cringing at what the next may bring. You kept the political comparisons to general but I feel this could easily be a jump off point to start bringing up more specific thing or people. Please don’t. Please don’t ruin this channel. Other than that, great video.
Yee of little faith
Lore Reloaded if it were the anti trekker then maybe. But with you there’s faith but it’s a slippery slope my friend. It’s easy to go down a path and not realize it until after it’s happened.
Anyways. Love the channel. Love it more when the videos are more than 4 min. They seem more like teasers. Need some more B5 thrown in as well. Seems like it’s been a while.
@@tomstev5026 Unless you realize the road because you've done it before ;) I have no intention of really becoming all that political.