Part 2- My take away is simple; “Be a better listener,” which I think I can work on, however there is always going to be a “line in the sand,” which does not get crossed. This is what steadies us and keeps us grounded. We must all choose where we are not willing to compromise. I think we can all be better listeners, but that doesn’t require us to abandon truth. Go ahead and have those quality “conversations” and listen well, but don’t give up what you know to be true.
Like you, the debate over this issue always brought me back to what the biblical image of Marriage is, and Jesus using the creation account when speaking to marriage made me believe that Jesus was pointing to a man and woman becoming one flesh. The OT levitical laws are both argued well on each side but I always sided with an affirming view, even though I was not affirming. For a while even the new passages in the letters tripped me up, but the more I have tried to understand it through the historical lens (not of the Church, but of the author, culture, and audience), the more those letters seem to more likely discuss idolatry(which you don't mention, or i missed in these two videos) and/or an imbalance power dynamic as you mention. I used to be unwilling to see this issue as an "agree to disagree" because of Jesus' Mathew 19 message, until a scholar who wasn't affirming said that it's not a great passage to have as a cornerstone for a traditional view of marriage not being able to include same sex relationships because it was never meant to address the issue of who can marry who, but why divorce is wrong. The argument put forth was that the Mathew 19 passage addresses the imbalance of power between men and women and men divorcing wives over menial issues, when to do so in that culture was to essentially make her a widow while shaming her image in the process. The reason for pointing back to creation was to remind the men that women also bear the image of God and carry an equal part in relationships. The viewpoint was summed up to be that Mathew 19 is about Jesus elevating the image and value of a woman in a society that saw them as less then and not having a voice in the debate of divorce, but only being objectified by it. I currently don't know If I can say i am fully affirming because deep convictions are hard to let go of, but I can say that years of study, conversation with people on all sides and those with greater knowledge and understanding in different areas of hermeneutical expertise has all collectively brought me to a place where I am comfortable with others' convictions and trust God's grace and mercy in the issue. I engage still with content on both sides and always hope for something that is clear and definitive, but I just don't see it. I feel like where I am on this issue is so hard because I don't feel like I can say I am completely one way or the other, and so many people want everyone's opinion to land on one side of the line and to stand on the line, or with one foot on each side, is either still supporting bigotry or heresy. Either way, thanks for the thoughtful and sincere content and was wondering about your thoughts on Mathew 19 note being about who can get married but Jesus advocating for women.
The Law says honor your Father and Mother...and Jesus reiterates in Matthew 5:19 that whoever relaxes one of these laws will be called least in the kingdom...especially important to know for teachers of the Word.
And ignore all the people that have many doubts and do not believe so, not addressing their variety of questions, not giving the reasons why we believe so?
The biggest point to understand is that the Bible is NOT an instruction manual or rulebook. The Bible is Jewish meditation literature. I believe the Bible to be inspired. But our modern western views which seem to be present here, have obscured us from taking the Bible on its own terms. The questions you frequently ask of it are not answers the authors intended to provide…. It’s definitely not supposed to give you the ability to make that judgment for someone else’s life. God surely designed nature to where a male and female are required to procreate and produce life. That is the ultimate proof text of God’s intended design. However that does not mean it gives us the ability to make the decision on who someone chooses to spend their life with. The Bible doesn’t give you the power to make that decision for someone else. The Bible gives that person the power to seek out it’s wisdom and let the spirit guide them on their own path. Sorry Preston. There’s so much about your marriage and all of our marriages that is not the Intended Way God would have it. And yet we don’t have UA-cam videos about the way both you and I mishandle our marriage in the eyes of God. You’ve built a platform based on these topics and I salute you for tackling the tough topics . But these questions are false pretenses that the Bible does even attempt to answer. And to take it one step further as you have also posed the question of whether the Bible says to hold back women from teaching or preaching or leading in the church … Correct me if I’m wrong…🤷🏻♂️ Jesus when frequently asked questions would refer back to “the beginning.“ In the beginning God created male and female in his image. Both were given authority to rule and reign equally underneath God. Attempting to take one verse from Paul completely taken out of context to hold back women from leading or teaching is a HUGE failure of our church. The most foundational question of “what is the Bible?“ Needs to be answered before you make another video✅🔥🔔
And ignore all the people that have many doubts and do not believe so, not addressing their variety of questions, not giving the reasons why we believe so?
And ignore all the people that have many doubts and do not believe so, not addressing their variety of questions, not giving the reasons why we believe so?
I wanted to watch this, but you use so many words to dance around out of fear of cancellation is so boring. I couldn't even last thru your first "answer".
He’s seems to be taken a very long time to basically say that “No, the Bible does not support Gay marriage.” It just takes a lot of explaining as to why.
I made it through 9 minutes of Part 1, then up to 43 minutes of scanning the transcript trying to get a concrete statement. Didn't find it. Gave up. Why are we pretending this is a complicated issue?!
Love your work Preston, keep it up!
Part 2-
My take away is simple; “Be a better listener,” which I think I can work on, however there is always going to be a “line in the sand,” which does not get crossed. This is what steadies us and keeps us grounded. We must all choose where we are not willing to compromise.
I think we can all be better listeners, but that doesn’t require us to abandon truth.
Go ahead and have those quality “conversations” and listen well, but don’t give up what you know to be true.
Like you, the debate over this issue always brought me back to what the biblical image of Marriage is, and Jesus using the creation account when speaking to marriage made me believe that Jesus was pointing to a man and woman becoming one flesh. The OT levitical laws are both argued well on each side but I always sided with an affirming view, even though I was not affirming. For a while even the new passages in the letters tripped me up, but the more I have tried to understand it through the historical lens (not of the Church, but of the author, culture, and audience), the more those letters seem to more likely discuss idolatry(which you don't mention, or i missed in these two videos) and/or an imbalance power dynamic as you mention. I used to be unwilling to see this issue as an "agree to disagree" because of Jesus' Mathew 19 message, until a scholar who wasn't affirming said that it's not a great passage to have as a cornerstone for a traditional view of marriage not being able to include same sex relationships because it was never meant to address the issue of who can marry who, but why divorce is wrong. The argument put forth was that the Mathew 19 passage addresses the imbalance of power between men and women and men divorcing wives over menial issues, when to do so in that culture was to essentially make her a widow while shaming her image in the process. The reason for pointing back to creation was to remind the men that women also bear the image of God and carry an equal part in relationships. The viewpoint was summed up to be that Mathew 19 is about Jesus elevating the image and value of a woman in a society that saw them as less then and not having a voice in the debate of divorce, but only being objectified by it. I currently don't know If I can say i am fully affirming because deep convictions are hard to let go of, but I can say that years of study, conversation with people on all sides and those with greater knowledge and understanding in different areas of hermeneutical expertise has all collectively brought me to a place where I am comfortable with others' convictions and trust God's grace and mercy in the issue. I engage still with content on both sides and always hope for something that is clear and definitive, but I just don't see it. I feel like where I am on this issue is so hard because I don't feel like I can say I am completely one way or the other, and so many people want everyone's opinion to land on one side of the line and to stand on the line, or with one foot on each side, is either still supporting bigotry or heresy. Either way, thanks for the thoughtful and sincere content and was wondering about your thoughts on Mathew 19 note being about who can get married but Jesus advocating for women.
The Law says honor your Father and Mother...and Jesus reiterates in Matthew 5:19 that whoever relaxes one of these laws will be called least in the kingdom...especially important to know for teachers of the Word.
@@SeenAndKnowndid you mean to reply to my comment? I don’t understand how you are connecting what you said to anything I wrote?
A simple NO would suffice.
And ignore all the people that have many doubts and do not believe so, not addressing their variety of questions, not giving the reasons why we believe so?
The biggest point to understand is that the Bible is NOT an instruction manual or rulebook. The Bible is Jewish meditation literature.
I believe the Bible to be inspired. But our modern western views which seem to be present here, have obscured us from taking the Bible on its own terms.
The questions you frequently ask of it are not answers the authors intended to provide….
It’s definitely not supposed to give you the ability to make that judgment for someone else’s life.
God surely designed nature to where a male and female are required to procreate and produce life. That is the ultimate proof text of God’s intended design. However that does not mean it gives us the ability to make the decision on who someone chooses to spend their life with. The Bible doesn’t give you the power to make that decision for someone else. The Bible gives that person the power to seek out it’s wisdom and let the spirit guide them on their own path.
Sorry Preston. There’s so much about your marriage and all of our marriages that is not the Intended Way God would have it. And yet we don’t have UA-cam videos about the way both you and I mishandle our marriage in the eyes of God.
You’ve built a platform based on these topics and I salute you for tackling the tough topics . But these questions are false pretenses that the Bible does even attempt to answer. And to take it one step further as you have also posed the question of whether the Bible says to hold back women from teaching or preaching or leading in the church …
Correct me if I’m wrong…🤷🏻♂️
Jesus when frequently asked questions would refer back to “the beginning.“
In the beginning God created male and female in his image. Both were given authority to rule and reign equally underneath God. Attempting to take one verse from Paul completely taken out of context to hold back women from leading or teaching is a HUGE failure of our church.
The most foundational question of “what is the Bible?“ Needs to be answered before you make another video✅🔥🔔
Could you cut this video down to a minute or two ? Frankly my eyes glazed over only a few minutes in.
And ignore all the people that have many doubts and do not believe so, not addressing their variety of questions, not giving the reasons why we believe so?
26.07 commenting as a form of noting something to come back to 😂 sorry
No..the end
And ignore all the people that have many doubts and do not believe so, not addressing their variety of questions, not giving the reasons why we believe so?
I wanted to watch this, but you use so many words to dance around out of fear of cancellation is so boring. I couldn't even last thru your first "answer".
You can just read his book
Can’t read it yet
I have no idea what you mean. Choosing one's words carefully is not a reason for complaint 😂
He’s seems to be taken a very long time to basically say that “No, the Bible does not support Gay marriage.”
It just takes a lot of explaining as to why.
I made it through 9 minutes of Part 1, then up to 43 minutes of scanning the transcript trying to get a concrete statement. Didn't find it. Gave up. Why are we pretending this is a complicated issue?!