Do We Have A Choice In Suffering?
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- In this Question and Answer sample, Kim Eng reveals how suffering becomes an obstacle to true connection.
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Eckhart is not aligned with any particular religion or tradition, but excludes none. His profound yet simple and practical teachings have helped thousands of people find inner peace, healing and greater fulfillment in their lives. At the core of his teachings lies the transformation of individual and collective human consciousness - a global spiritual awakening.
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In his most recent book, A New Earth, he shows how transcending our ego-based state of consciousness is not only essential to personal happiness, but also the key to ending conflict and suffering throughout the world.
I was at Asilomar when this question was asked. What is not shown is that right after Kim finished speaking to this man, a young man (probably close to his son's age) came up to give the questioner a big hug. For the rest of the conference, this man in the video was always surrounded by people hugging and talking to him, where he had been previously seated alone. It was one of the loveliest times of the week.
What a beautiful person, a beautiful father .
I love this woman. She has such deep compassion in her spirit. Very beautiful.
Seeing him cry made me cry. I wish I could hug him.
I feel so sad for this person who lost his son. I feel his pain deeply.
why ? You don't know him personally ? Not being sarcastic. Curious.
There is no such a word "LOST"
@rose empathy probably 🙂
I lost my only son and can understand the depth of his grief. After years of griefing, I just beginning to feel the space that she
is talking about. For me a life long journey.
I just stumbled across this and it brought me to tears because I lost my daughter in 2015 from lymphoma. She was 31. I needed to hear this.
Watching this I remember when my Dad died so suddenly 2 yrs ago. On one hand I felt such immense pain, while on the other hand this intense love and joy that I couldn't express as I didn't understand. This all makes sense now. Thank you.
How beautiful. Lovely gentle creature. His son and him are the same consciousness. The suffering was keeping them separate from each other. "The attachment to the form is keeping us away from God, from all that there is." Thank you.
There is a more touching Buddha story : after losing her only son at old age, one old lady went to lament about her deep suffering and asked Buddha to revive her son with his power. Buddha gave her a handful of mustard seeds and told her to knock on each door of the village and if she encountered one family with no death occurred, then Buddha would grant her wish. She came back discouraged and gave Buddha back all the seeds. Then Buddha taught her the four noble truths about suffering in this "Desire Realm" and ways to lessen it. There are degrees of suffering too. To lose an aged father/dog is not comparable to losing your growing offspring, the pain is just not the same. He did go through the modern grieving stages and after 5 years is still palpitating, makes you want to hug him. What Kim's personal example sounded more preachy and almost like fantasizing, especially I can't feel the compassion but intellectualization. Pain is un-deniable and sometimes saying " I can't fathom.." is more genuine and compassionate.
Exactly. Just conceptualization
that emptiness that left behind can be so powerful. Its just matter of seeing it as when we go beyond that attachment, personality of that person. see them as just who they are as kim mentioned ''essence''. I can relate to it more intensely. My sister killed herself and i think i have found my peace with it and i should help my parents and my brother see it that way. Suffering has already served it's purpose and i am at peace. I can remember her and see her pictures without crying and see her as beautiful soul she was.
Cried my butt off during this video. My mother died 8 years ago suddenly. Still can't believe it. Doesn't feel like 8 years. ❤️😭
This is the first time I've listened to Kim after many years of listening to her husband. She's great:)
What a strong wonderful man, bless him. Bless all of us.
Just love what you do Kim and how you bring an additional depth and beauty to Eckhart's teachings. Then again, I guess they're your own and now ours too.
;-)
This is a real joy listening to Kim as she communicates and clarifies the direction towards God and the idea of letting go of our attachment to suffering.. LivingSpinoza
the more pain you release..the more space you have..and more space means more clarity and awareness.....i think.💚
Thanks Kim for a very profound answer to the question. Lots of love. You n Eckhart are a great gift to the world.
In just few words, one sentence Kim deliverered light, liberation from suffering to that kind man. Awe inspiring truly... the light flowing in those words you can see on the man's face as he was receptive: that smile and huge gratitude..i could feel it in my bones as i watched it. Truly amazing. Truly wonderful
The key is that we probably consider a betrayal to stop suffering for the ones we lost but we can tell ourself that we might remember and honor them through love and pure joy in all the beautiful moments we spent together. So when you remember them again tell yourself how wonderful was to meet you in my life and smile 🙏🏻🙂❤
Beautiful. I love how the situation evolved. From awkward beginning, feeling distressed (also Kim) and then some sort of synergy appeared allowing peace to flow in. Beautiful situation, beautiful video!
Words cant describe the empathy i felt watching this video.
Excellent - complete Truth. Anyone that can become aware of this detachment to the illusion of the physical form, will go a long way in the spiritual evolution and consequently lead a far more balanced life. Wishing you all love, humbleness and light.
Very soothing, she is really the perfect form match for Eckhart :).
This video is truly a blessing in my life. I am currently balling my eyes out from all the joy I am feeling. Thank you for sharing this.
Excellent video. Thank you, Kim. People complain there is a void when someone has left them not realizing the void is a gift... it's God. Let go and embrace God and you'll have both till the end of time.
All beings will pass away one day. Unfortunately, people tend to be cold to each other, and don't treasure relationships when their friends/parents/children/relatives are still alive. They don't treasure the "present" relationships. Once they find that the other beings pass away, they feel sorrowful and suffer from their sorrow. This is a natural response resulting from "loss". However, if they can treat the others better, such as the family members and friends show care more explicitly, the situation would be different. In case one passes away, those alive would feel less sorrowful. Their "presence in this universe" would not disappear despite the passing away of their forms. My parents passed away one by one when they got very old, and I felt very sad indeed. But now their spirits and teachings always hang over my mind, and I thank them for educating me so well. I don't suffer from sorrow any more as long as I remember their presence.
This is a powerful video. Thank you dearly. Dogs are equally conscious, present, and deserving of the same respect as humans are. When Samantha our former Great Dane died in 2007 her energy was still there right next to us on the hiking trails, this was so amazing, there was no void, it was like going hiking with her together. She was there to give us comfort. My husband, a total atheist, listened to me urging him to hold her in his arms at the vet when she died, he was so glad that he did that.
This was really beautiful and heart warming. Sending the dad love and peace because his son would like to see him like that. 💓🙏🏼
It gave me a lesson how to detach ourselves...my father passed away 30 years ago and I still have his form body...memories are still with me like yesterday or this moment..keep trying..acceptance and stillness/emptiness..Thanks for this wonderful video clip....
Is empathy a foreign word to you? Kim Eng provided him mental help as far as I can judge from the video! Better help than the pharmaceutical pill-industry is ever able to provide!
At a time in my life I needed to see and hear this I shed a tear for this dear man 💔❤
How beautiful this video is!!!!!. I´m learning to speak in English, and I was not able to understand all the words. But I´ve been able to sense a deep peace within me, an absolutly field of peace or life. Thanks for it.
Words are sometimes weak and useless to cover the void of missing a dear one, sometimes we have to go through hell, the abyss of life is too vast for the mind and any consolence, the pain of the father is more real then her words
I'm amazed that she speaks to my soul better than Eckhart.
I've been searching for people who've experienced sudden loss of a child. This was perfect for me to hear what was being said. I also saw her leaving.
Simply beautiful.
Form is gone, essence is there, connection with love
This video nearly made me cry.....So touching🌷
How wonderful Kim thank you you are helping so many people. That man that father you have given him peace ❤Rose 🌹
Teachers at suffering - Hi Eckhart the place that we can be led but what an amazing place to show where the suffering stems from ... Thank you for sharing and bringing on people to share their stories. It helps others ...... excessive thinking
Her voice is so soothing! I love listening to this video.
What a beautiful father.
Un padre muy amoroso y tierno
Cuando dijo que su hijo era su mejor amigo.
had to pause (for a second time) at 3:36 That is/was some powerful powerful powerful stuff. A flood of emotion overcame me just (before) there I feel
Wonderful video thanks for sharing
Amazing this is. Because of love and death. We can learn so much ❤
A very touching, consoling, wise life (and death) lesson. When we are going to argue, you are missing the essence. It has nothing to do with descriptions of God or whatever. Just listen and open yourself.
What a beautiful person. What a beautiful story 🙏🏽
THANKX KIM.....I wish I could afford more of you and Eckhardts teachings.....so clear and concise.
Aww..pause at 3:15. Love his smile! Kim Eng got it so right! Thankyou for this most beautiful video! My perception of death has changed completely! All in less than 13 minutes!! I wish Kim Eng and Eckhart could visit Scotland!
Peaceful conversation.
And in this beautiful grand space there are so many dimensions and ways of existence... where each one of us could find the level of his own vibration and merge with it...its our choice and there is no reason for fear and pain... love
So beautiful! I know that grief shift. That deep hideous pain alters Our human form .
This is a special spiritual moment in our lives
she is an elder now. Very beautiful and profound. thank you.
This brought me to tears.
It seems easy for whom has arrived to touch the essence but I don't know if I will ever manage to get to such a supreme point... I suffer so badly and it's so hard to let go in order to find the essence she teaches us. It's a long and difficult journey.
She is utterly beautiful!! 💗
Yea. I get it. I lost my dad when I was a child. I thought if I ever stopped suffering that would mean I didn't love my daddy.
Wow, wonderful video! Kim says it very well :) Blessings!
We do have a choice in suffering or not. In fact, that seems to be the ONLY real choice we do have. Or, thing we can actually control. But when you get rid of negative energy things seem to work out a lot better. As if the law of attraction is actually real(which I think it is.) So we have the ability to raise our energy level or lower it. Lower energy is negative, higher positive. Positive attracts good things, negative bad things. There are ways to release negative energy.
I believe it, because i was able to feel her words. Thank you.
Love you Kim
She is a lovely human being..down to earth
Her answer was great, it took turns I wasn't expecting. Still wish she would have told him the feelings are ok, as opposed to reinforcing his view that that they're just painbody. That may be so but trying to suppress pain (especially pain like that) won't help, you have to observe and allow it while it's there. Some very intense suffering there either way, hope the poor guy is doing better since :(
I feel the peace from her energu
That must be a awesome church you know of then.
This guy's suffering because he misses the way his son allowed him to feel - happy and loving. As long as we depend on another to make us feel good we will suffer. Love is not something we get - it's something we give.
Love is something that one is.
i havent lost many people close to me in my life even though i am 35 now! one thing i know i will find very hard is when my mum dies. It already makes me very sad now just thinking about it.
Thank-you.
6:25 Right. Their presence is joy and love because that is the essence of ourselves, of "God". It's not conditional on things, like how we lived our life, it just "is". And it is exactly we we choose to be born again and again, because we see the potential to share and express so much joy and love.
Unfortunately, when my grandfather passed away it was not joy and love. I was living with him at the time and found he had passed away in the middle of the night. What came after was pure malevolence. Lights turned on and off. Objects moved. A feeling of being "watched" above me, etc. At the time I thought it was my grandfather upset about how I handled his death, but I still can't be sure if it was him or something else. I had to project that peace and love I felt in my experience with "God", and slowly that presence relented and faded away.
If anyone want to learn more & more about suffering & how to end that ......learn Buddhism
Eckhart dances around it, kinda-sorta. Kim gives it to ya, straight... no chaser!
So beautiful. So enlightening
As much as I like this women (and Eckhart) I must disagree on a point.
(In my experience) the pain body - assuming it is too large - can be reduced and eventually eliminated by catharsis.
*I would like to note here that using eckhart's method of presents, compassion, and humor, one can usually avoid creating or absorbing a pain body all together.*
You can feel your pain body existing in you through neurotic holding patterns (Wilhelm Reich) and simply by watching (and feeling) the way your face sits when you are in deep emotional stress. I would not recommend, beyond a certain point, trying to understand and more importantly resolve or release the pain body *intellectually*.
This is counter intuitive.
Osho's Dynamic Meditation, the Maori Haka, and talking to someone who cares about you deeply that you trust and allowing yourself to get angry, frustrated, and cry, are very powerful and healthy means of releasing (the) pain (body).
There are no wrong emotions *in the moment*. What wants to come out should be allowed to come out.
If we find though, that our forms of expression are only causing more pain, that is where a teacher comes in..
Let's continue the conversation. There is no need to suffer alone anymore.
We are here.
So many of us feel that moving through and releasing the grief of losing a loved one is a betrayal of that one. I’ve thought about this belief many times in the twenty two years since my father’s death, and while watching others lose family and friends. What causes this belief, that we are betraying them by healing from the pain of their absence? I don’t know.
We suffer because of lack of knowledge and desire for things we dont need that cause chemical or hormonal imbalances. If you figure that out, you will instantly come back into balance and end your needless suffering.
rough rooster to suffer is to be seperate then fear arises then the mind of sense based perceptions and memory the root of sufferring is fear and seperation
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I do not understand what she talks about. But I want to be present.
the so-called joy or euphoria at the death of a loved one is shock. chemicals protect the brain in shock. when shock ends, grief hits like a train and it is agonising. I do not agree with the opinions here. I've meditated for a very long time and grief is very painful; it is not optional as portrayed in this video.
She's great!
My friend Bill!! I love u and I miss u!!!
Suffering and joy are not separate.
...increíble que todo está en nuestros pensamientos,....tan reales que se tornan algunos, que es díficil separarse de ellos,...(por suerte no es imposible cambiarlos)...
Thank you Kim.
is ok ...suffer for a while..he need a big hugg..so sorry..I feel his pain..
funny how the people start most of the time their speech by being in the ego "thank you so much for what your teachings have done to me..."
I wouldn't see this as an indication of Ego. It is simply an expression of gratidute or in other words a sharing of a feeling (being grateful). Humans are allowed to express their feelings, as this is the only thing they know for sure. They just don't know how to express them in a non violent way sometimes. I would humbly suggest some some reading on NVC. It is a simple method I have found very useful and enlightening for my life and I therefore share it.
Traveland Do Where can I find NVC?
I love her!
This is brilliant
So beautiful...So true.
♡♡much love to all,including this wonderful man
very good
Infinite Love ❤
Highly uplifting! Bravo!
Kim is adorable 🍃🙏
Fear of let go is hard.You can connect more with more without suffering.essence of love is therefore is gone. Give him freedom and go deeper space please
Beautiful 💕✨!!
lovely
................sooooooo beautifull................thank you....................
Its beautiful Kim Eng :)
It so beautiful wisdom!!Thank you
Absolutely agree with you, gkbhai! Very profound message.
This was moving. Thanks for sharing.