And/or his orchestrators---although at this point, they can probably read his mind, more or less, in terms of knowing what he wants and is going after in a given cue... So yeah, probably fair to say John Williams.
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@@jonathankupper1793 Maestro Williams doesn't sit down and draft a whole score like some might expect, but I believe he's quite instructive regarding orchestration in his piano scores
@@jackeris1302 timpani, tom-toms, xylophone, glockenspiel, chimes, suspended cymbal, large tam-tam, piatti (crash cymbals), triangle, side and field drums (types of snare drum), “Med. High Drum (Quasi Hand Tabla)”, “Deep Drum” (I assume this is like a floor tom?), Gran Cassa (concert bass drum), “Med. Low Drum”
It's really not as complicated as it looks. Its just the harmonized ostinato (which makes up most of the score), as well as the melody, bass line, and a couple flourishes.
If you listen to the horn melody starting in measure 8 00:13 you will hear a brilliant reworking on the Imeperial March theme. So brilliantly done wow! Of course this is young Darth Vader’s story
There are some similarities to Imperial March throughout The Flag Parade, the constant fast triplets being the main one, but my god I have no clue what melody you're hearing because that thing is in almost no way anything like that of Imperial March.
@@qwertyuiopzxcvbnm9890 Wow this is an old comment. Back then most of what I knew about John Williams came from Star Wars, so I had limited separation of what techniques were a "Star Wars thing" and what was just a "John Williams thing." Modern me would agree with you, so uhh... when you're right, you're right.
Well yes. Normally he writes it and then after the recording it sometimes gets removed from the mix. Or it gets removed before recording. For me I like it with and without. Either way
If you look on Williams' website, there's a list of all his compositions. Copy the exact name of this and Google search it, and sheetmusicplus has it on their site. The link on Williams' site appears to be broken, so that extra step is unfortunately necessary
@@ABFan-bj2uj Yeah, I think it's a typo as far as I can tell. All other bass instruments have a G there. Notice the Dm7 chord on the & of 2 in that measure though. Maybe the copyist was looking at that and stuck an F in the piano LH by accident.
@@mydogskips2 The Clef, Key Signature, and transposition tell which exact notes to play, but the relative placement notes on a staff will always represent higher or lower pitches, and that's really all you need to understand what's going on in a score from a basic level. You can also add on top of that that the more straight lines drawn connecting notes, the faster they are played.
@@jakegearhart lol that's the understatement of the century. Like saying "the human body's not that complicated - it's a lot of cells stacked together".
I'm sorry, I love, love, love me some John Williams, but this is pedestrian at best, completely uninspired. But then again, I guess it matches the movie in that sense. Not much interesting here at all. I think he did much better work for Episodes II and III. Alright, I'm leaving now. ; )
@@jakegearhart It's just a bunch of meandering dissonances with no real direction or purpose. I suppose it reminds me a bit of his E.T. music which I love, but of course, that music created an entirely different atmosphere and feeling than what is here. I think Across the Stars is amazing, quite reminiscent of Tchaikovsky, but Anakin's theme reminds me of Shostakovich, a bunch of wandering discords, be Shostakovich always manages to generate interest with his themes, they're biting and sardonic as I once read, have a drive, development and purpose. While others are a poor imitation of Williams, like Michael Giacchino for instance, at least for his "Star Wars" music, John is lacking something here, not that I think he's trying to imitate Shostakovich. And I'm sorry, but in my opinion, Duel of the Fates is one of the worst things John has ever written, it is far from complex and is really quite dull, insipid. At least he wrote better music for episodes II and III. But in my opinion, nothing compares to his work for the original trilogy, that music was truly inspired and was quite revolutionary at the time.
@@mydogskips2 Meandering dissonances? Shostakovich? I don't think we're listening to the same thing. And I don't think you understand why Anakin's theme is the way it is. Every time the music moves upwards, it's _literally_ pulled down by Darth Vader's theme. Anakin's theme is trying to escape, but it can't. Darth Vader's theme is present at all times. It's a masterpiece. It's probably the most complex thing he's ever written composition-wise. Composition-wise as well, you really can't make any critiques about Duel of the Fates. It's fully realized complex music. And it's one of the most popular things he ever wrote. So it really is just your opinion against a sea of others that believe it is phenomenal. And Revenge of the Sith's score is so much deeper than anything he wrote for the original trilogy. The Dies Irae theme, the Immolation Scene, this: ua-cam.com/video/w7aC5B5Sgu8/v-deo.html
@@jakegearhart Camille Saint-Saens' Carnival is of the Animals is the most popular thing he ever wrote, but far from his greatest work(I think he didn't even want it published in his lifetime), something which only shows that people can be wrong. I suppose I should say that it's not a bad piece of music, it's easy and accessible to people which is probably why they like it, it's also what Saint-Saens intended it to be, but those who are more advanced in their musical understanding have difficulty appreciating it for its lack of sophistication. Glenn Miller's In the Mood is exceedingly popular, and I happen to love it myself, but it's a simple piece based on a piano exercise. My college music appreciation teacher actually told our class that Richard Strauss's Zarathustra wasn't a good piece, and while I think I know why she said it, I think she was completely wrong. Also Sprach Zarathustra is hugely complex, I mean, it is based on Nietzsche after all, it's definitely not easy listening, not easily accessible or understood by someone who is uninitiated in music, and it may not have the most lyrical of melodies for most of its 30 minutes' length, and those things keep it from being especially popular, I mean, after the first 90 seconds most people don't know anything about it, but it's a true masterwork of the highest order. I guess I'm just trying to say that we cannot judge a work solely on the basis of how popular it is or how complex it is. Beethoven's Grosse Fugue is immensely complex, but far from popular; complexity alone does not make a piece of music good in itself. And like Beethoven's Egmont overture, a piece which is very popular, I think people like Duel of the Fates because it's SIMPLE, it has a recurring theme/rhythm/meter making it easy to follow, especially for people who don't know anything about music, not something which I'm saying about you by the way. Okay, the opening voices(sung in what is it, Latin I think, I'm not sure) make the piece "Epic," but so what, the rest of the piece is just repetitive trope with a dull melody embellished with a dash of counterpoint. And you're right, I don't understand the "meaning" of Anakin's theme, why it is the way it is, I'm just listening to it as a piece of music, and on that basis, I stand behind what I said earlier, it's uninteresting and has no direction or purpose. I don't know if these are exact correlations, but let's say the Flag Parade music is like the music from the Throne Room from A New Hope, Anakin's theme is analogous to Luke's theme, I don't what to say for Jar Jar, and let's say the Star Wars main title/theme is correlated to Duel of the Fates, personally, I don't think any of those pieces from Episode I top the equivalents from Star Wars IV. I guess we're probably not going to agree on this, and that's fine, people can disagree. Besides, as I said in my original post, I was leaving because I don't like music. I don't know why I wrote it, it wasn't meant to be a hit job against John Williams or anyone else, I guess I just felt the need to express my opinion although I knew it went against what most others think, I really wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything, I was just stating what came to my mind while listening. I'm happy to discuss it further with you, I think we're having a respectful and cordial discussion here, but I don't know what more to say, I simply do not believe this is particularly good music, certainly not by the standard John Williams has set for himself after having written so many incredible scores.
@@jakegearhart I listened to the track in the link you posted, and I like it a lot, it has everything Anakin's theme does not, a musical sequence with direction and purpose, it not only generates interest, but tension and suspense, but more importantly, even though it's called Anakin's Nightmare, it really has little to do with Anakin's theme, it's really a dark version of Across the Stars with different interludes.
John Williams on his way to give the violas a chance to shine for once and a bunch of 8th notes in the same piece
And/or his orchestrators---although at this point, they can probably read his mind, more or less, in terms of knowing what he wants and is going after in a given cue... So yeah, probably fair to say John Williams.
Alright for you to say. I have to play it all!
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@@jonathankupper1793 Maestro Williams doesn't sit down and draft a whole score like some might expect, but I believe he's quite instructive regarding orchestration in his piano scores
Beautiful use of the Lydian mode in Anakin's Theme
Raised 4th, I’m working on my modes
"Hints of Darth Bader's theme"
Oh no not the DARTH BADER!
You mean Ginsburg herself?
Ryan Bader?
*Vader
@@mr.vorrnyvorrn2516 No, Bader.
Orchestration:
2 Flutes
Piccolo
3 Oboes
1 Cor Anglais
2 Clarinets in Bb
1 Clarinet in Eb
2 Bassoons
1 Contrabassoon
4 French Horns
4 Trumpets
2 Trombones
2 Bass Trombones (1st dbl. Tenor Trombone 3)
1 Tuba
Timpani
Percussion
Piano
Harp
Violins 1
Violins 2
Violas
Violoncelli
Double Basses
Surprised he only takes 4 horns against all those woodwinds and heavy brass. He could have easily done 6 or even 8
...and SATB choir!
What percussions instruments are used in duel of the fates? It doesn’t say
@@jackeris1302 timpani, tom-toms, xylophone, glockenspiel, chimes, suspended cymbal, large tam-tam, piatti (crash cymbals), triangle, side and field drums (types of snare drum), “Med. High Drum (Quasi Hand Tabla)”, “Deep Drum” (I assume this is like a floor tom?), Gran Cassa (concert bass drum), “Med. Low Drum”
@@aaronzacharyreed6163 thank you so much man. That’s really helpful!
11:27 So many notes!!
It's really not as complicated as it looks. Its just the harmonized ostinato (which makes up most of the score), as well as the melody, bass line, and a couple flourishes.
6:29 “Please select a fleet to command”
Great music, 1 of my favorites
Timothy Voi
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OMG 😮 😳! Wow, thank you so much for sharing 🙏🏾 ☺️
What a genius
That flagparade is actually cooler in this version. Its not the very same as in the movie, but more made for concert. There are really nice qualities.
It's longer here but it also has some unnecessary changes
귀가 펑 뚫리네요~와우~
존경하는 존 윌리엄경~
대단하시네요~
Damn! I wish there was a cimbasso in there.
I LOVE STAR WARS I LOVE JOHN WILLIAMS
Great Stuff! John Williams is my BOI!
That first trumpet player!
If you listen to the horn melody starting in measure 8 00:13 you will hear a brilliant reworking on the Imeperial March theme. So brilliantly done wow! Of course this is young Darth Vader’s story
It's a completely different melody. It's closer to the Droid March than the Imperial March but it's different from both.
There are some similarities to Imperial March throughout The Flag Parade, the constant fast triplets being the main one, but my god I have no clue what melody you're hearing because that thing is in almost no way anything like that of Imperial March.
@@BlazinInfernape
Perhaps a wrong timestamp? Because the Imperial March is certainly audible and nicely reworked in the second piece, Anakin's Theme.
@@BlazinInfernapeWilliams uses fast triplets all the time. It has nothing to do with the Imperial March
@@qwertyuiopzxcvbnm9890 Wow this is an old comment. Back then most of what I knew about John Williams came from Star Wars, so I had limited separation of what techniques were a "Star Wars thing" and what was just a "John Williams thing." Modern me would agree with you, so uhh... when you're right, you're right.
5:28 - Darth Vader's theme referenced.
This is great!
Very good !
Can we have the staff of Star Wars 2 ?
Ay this is weird the percussion doesn't play for the majority of Duel
Well yes. Normally he writes it and then after the recording it sometimes gets removed from the mix. Or it gets removed before recording. For me I like it with and without. Either way
12:16 my favorite part
The triplets in the strings and the final rip up to the leading tone in the horns is great
Wow🎧🎵🎶😍😍
Hi @Silfimur , when can we get synthesia for Illusions Thomas Bergersen? That was really your masterpiece :)
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Anakin's theme ❤
How do I get the sheet music ?
transcribe it by ear :)
zoom in and screenshot :D
Hal Leonard John Williams Signature Edition
If you look on Williams' website, there's a list of all his compositions. Copy the exact name of this and Google search it, and sheetmusicplus has it on their site. The link on Williams' site appears to be broken, so that extra step is unfortunately necessary
Any reason why in Flag Parade, there is an F1 and a G2 on the piano? On the F, just add a double sharp.
What measure?
@@aaronzacharyreed6163 120
@@ABFan-bj2uj Yeah, I think it's a typo as far as I can tell. All other bass instruments have a G there. Notice the Dm7 chord on the & of 2 in that measure though. Maybe the copyist was looking at that and stuck an F in the piano LH by accident.
damm its like an alien lenguage for those who never saw a score
It's not that complicated. The higher the dots are on each part (each set of five the lines), the higher the pitch.
@@jakegearhart True of course, but a gross oversimplification for sure. I mean, the clef sign alone matters a great deal with just what you've said.
@@mydogskips2 The Clef, Key Signature, and transposition tell which exact notes to play, but the relative placement notes on a staff will always represent higher or lower pitches, and that's really all you need to understand what's going on in a score from a basic level.
You can also add on top of that that the more straight lines drawn connecting notes, the faster they are played.
@@jakegearhart lol that's the understatement of the century. Like saying "the human body's not that complicated - it's a lot of cells stacked together".
9:55
Thank you for that ive been looking for the score for duel of the fates a long time now
from where u have orchetra score, and could i get a trumpet part?
You can buy the score and the parts online.
where can i buy the score?
sodelicious
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Eighty-third
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I'm sorry, I love, love, love me some John Williams, but this is pedestrian at best, completely uninspired. But then again, I guess it matches the movie in that sense. Not much interesting here at all. I think he did much better work for Episodes II and III. Alright, I'm leaving now. ; )
Uninspired? I think you should take another listen to Anakin's theme. It's one of the most complex themes Williams ever wrote.
@@jakegearhart It's just a bunch of meandering dissonances with no real direction or purpose. I suppose it reminds me a bit of his E.T. music which I love, but of course, that music created an entirely different atmosphere and feeling than what is here. I think Across the Stars is amazing, quite reminiscent of Tchaikovsky, but Anakin's theme reminds me of Shostakovich, a bunch of wandering discords, be Shostakovich always manages to generate interest with his themes, they're biting and sardonic as I once read, have a drive, development and purpose. While others are a poor imitation of Williams, like Michael Giacchino for instance, at least for his "Star Wars" music, John is lacking something here, not that I think he's trying to imitate Shostakovich.
And I'm sorry, but in my opinion, Duel of the Fates is one of the worst things John has ever written, it is far from complex and is really quite dull, insipid.
At least he wrote better music for episodes II and III. But in my opinion, nothing compares to his work for the original trilogy, that music was truly inspired and was quite revolutionary at the time.
@@mydogskips2 Meandering dissonances? Shostakovich? I don't think we're listening to the same thing. And I don't think you understand why Anakin's theme is the way it is. Every time the music moves upwards, it's _literally_ pulled down by Darth Vader's theme. Anakin's theme is trying to escape, but it can't. Darth Vader's theme is present at all times. It's a masterpiece. It's probably the most complex thing he's ever written composition-wise.
Composition-wise as well, you really can't make any critiques about Duel of the Fates. It's fully realized complex music. And it's one of the most popular things he ever wrote. So it really is just your opinion against a sea of others that believe it is phenomenal.
And Revenge of the Sith's score is so much deeper than anything he wrote for the original trilogy. The Dies Irae theme, the Immolation Scene, this: ua-cam.com/video/w7aC5B5Sgu8/v-deo.html
@@jakegearhart Camille Saint-Saens' Carnival is of the Animals is the most popular thing he ever wrote, but far from his greatest work(I think he didn't even want it published in his lifetime), something which only shows that people can be wrong. I suppose I should say that it's not a bad piece of music, it's easy and accessible to people which is probably why they like it, it's also what Saint-Saens intended it to be, but those who are more advanced in their musical understanding have difficulty appreciating it for its lack of sophistication.
Glenn Miller's In the Mood is exceedingly popular, and I happen to love it myself, but it's a simple piece based on a piano exercise.
My college music appreciation teacher actually told our class that Richard Strauss's Zarathustra wasn't a good piece, and while I think I know why she said it, I think she was completely wrong. Also Sprach Zarathustra is hugely complex, I mean, it is based on Nietzsche after all, it's definitely not easy listening, not easily accessible or understood by someone who is uninitiated in music, and it may not have the most lyrical of melodies for most of its 30 minutes' length, and those things keep it from being especially popular, I mean, after the first 90 seconds most people don't know anything about it, but it's a true masterwork of the highest order.
I guess I'm just trying to say that we cannot judge a work solely on the basis of how popular it is or how complex it is.
Beethoven's Grosse Fugue is immensely complex, but far from popular; complexity alone does not make a piece of music good in itself. And like Beethoven's Egmont overture, a piece which is very popular, I think people like Duel of the Fates because it's SIMPLE, it has a recurring theme/rhythm/meter making it easy to follow, especially for people who don't know anything about music, not something which I'm saying about you by the way. Okay, the opening voices(sung in what is it, Latin I think, I'm not sure) make the piece "Epic," but so what, the rest of the piece is just repetitive trope with a dull melody embellished with a dash of counterpoint. And you're right, I don't understand the "meaning" of Anakin's theme, why it is the way it is, I'm just listening to it as a piece of music, and on that basis, I stand behind what I said earlier, it's uninteresting and has no direction or purpose.
I don't know if these are exact correlations, but let's say the Flag Parade music is like the music from the Throne Room from A New Hope, Anakin's theme is analogous to Luke's theme, I don't what to say for Jar Jar, and let's say the Star Wars main title/theme is correlated to Duel of the Fates, personally, I don't think any of those pieces from Episode I top the equivalents from Star Wars IV.
I guess we're probably not going to agree on this, and that's fine, people can disagree. Besides, as I said in my original post, I was leaving because I don't like music. I don't know why I wrote it, it wasn't meant to be a hit job against John Williams or anyone else, I guess I just felt the need to express my opinion although I knew it went against what most others think, I really wasn't trying to convince anyone of anything, I was just stating what came to my mind while listening. I'm happy to discuss it further with you, I think we're having a respectful and cordial discussion here, but I don't know what more to say, I simply do not believe this is particularly good music, certainly not by the standard John Williams has set for himself after having written so many incredible scores.
@@jakegearhart I listened to the track in the link you posted, and I like it a lot, it has everything Anakin's theme does not, a musical sequence with direction and purpose, it not only generates interest, but tension and suspense, but more importantly, even though it's called Anakin's Nightmare, it really has little to do with Anakin's theme, it's really a dark version of Across the Stars with different interludes.