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I bought a renumbered 666 house in my town, and after two decades, the only crazy shit in the attic was the year I stored our decorations facing out the window. The local school kids kept looking and pointing up to their parents. Wife found out pumpkin and ghost faces were being noticed as the sun started to drop in the sky.🙃
I met a guy in the Air Force that grew up a few houses down from the house in the story. He said aside from the murders everything about it was BS. It's just a plain old house in a plain old neighborhood with one tragic story. And bought by a couple of clowns that couldn't really afford it.
@@douglasfrancis2927 so it's more likely that demons ran wild in the house than that a guy, living in close vicinity of the house, saying there are nothing supernatural about it telling is the truth?
@@darkviolet as according to the story the demons ran only in the house, so that guy who lives three houses down cant exactly dismiss that, he wasnt in the house
@@thylacinegamer6314 Do you have any experience with silencers though? Because I heard that they do not actually make guns silent, but I’m not sure how loud they would be
Thoughty is the type of guy to say "he's standing right behind me, isnt he" in a horror scenario, pull out a stretchable baseball bat from pants and dominate the antagonist
When I was in High School, 112 Ocean Avenue was a household topic! We were obsessed with houses that would "wake-up". Thank you for this topic, it's a fantastic book also. One of the best scary movies of the 70's with the power to make you imagine all sorts of activity in your own home. Fantastic in so many ways... from flies and the smell of an unclean spirit, to the secret room under the stairs. Gets better with age. So many conspiracy theories surrounding the book, family, and motivations for sharing their story. I remember Mr. and Mrs. Lutz doing an interview on a radio program in St. Louis as they shared why they left everything behind. Loved it all!
The secret room under the stairs isn't a room, it's a couple of square foot space under the basement stairs, it wasn't walled up or painted red, it's all utter nonsense, the Lutz's kid did a doc where he told the truth, his dad was an angry drunk with money troubles who couldn't afford the home, simple.
There is a man here, who ran in front of my house crying. (He is actually older than me). When my aunt asked why he is crying, he said something slapped him in the face (precisely in his mouth / lower jaw) while he did fishing in the river. That story happened about 24 years ago. And that man, is still having issue with his mouth until today. Partially paralysis, slightly tilted to the right (to the direction where he got slapped by something he couldn't see). And he can't talk straightly since that day because of the paralysis in his mouth. I was 11 that day, and he was about 16. There was no reason for him to lie about anything. He didn't say about ghost either. He just said, something slapped him in the face but he didn't know what. He just got slapped while holding his fishing rod, and he cried out heading home. It just happened that he walked in front of my house to get home, and my aunt asked him why he cry. So I was one of the first people who listened to his testimonies. I also saw how bad his mouth and lower jaw looked that day. When he cried, he couldn't talk straightly, and his mouth kept tilting to the right. If a man slapped him, it must a hard slap that would leave some wound on him. At least, made him bleeding. But this is not. He didn't have any bruise that day, just a trace of bluish in his cheek where he got slapped. The look in his mouth is a bit different today compared to that day. But he still gets the issue with his mouth, and it's still tiled to the right.
That’s what I’ve been telling people. No matter if the house is actually haunted or not, 6 people still lost their lives in that house. I wouldn’t feel comfortable in that house at all!!! And I’m surprised most big name UA-camrs who cover cases like this haven’t made a video on it yet, but I’m so glad you have!!! (I’m talking about this house specifically not other houses where people have passed away)
I feel it's a very american thing to be uneasy by the fact people has died in a house. Many European houses are hundreds of years old and people still live in them while it's almost a garantue people has died there. Just an observation
Every old house has had people who died there. Elderly people almost certainly died in their bed at home. In my house now, I know two previous owners died here.
@@absolutelynobodycares Well no I don’t think it’s necessarily an American thing. You gotta understand in this particular house there were innocent kids that were murdered. I feel like that would make anyone kind of uneasy if they stepped into a house like that. It would be different situation and feeling entirely if someone just passed away from natural causes inside their house, that doesn’t really throw me off as much as kids and other innocent people getting murdered.
The thing that always got me about Butch is when he didn't get anyone on the telephone, why didn't he go home and see what was going on? That's why I never believed his story. He said that his father always showed up for work or at least called and said why he wasn't coming in and it's weird that Butch went to work before his father did that day. You think his father would have been up the same time he was since he was, to put it lightly, a lay about. And to top it off, after not being able to get hold of anybody, he goes out drinking after work rather than going home to see if something is wrong?? And he didn't have a key to the place where he lived? Yeah, right. If he didn't kill them himself before leaving he gave the key to whoever actually did the killings.
This was my first thought hearing the story, like 1 missed call isn't anything I'd be concerned with but after 2-3 across a couple hours that's when I'd get worried and go to check as soon as I was able to.
Yeah especially since it actually cost six lives I think I can agree with you on that one but if you had some unknown entity running around doing some crazy shit it would probably scare the shit out of you
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Lutz's attorney was also Butch DeFeo's defense attorney. He would definitely have a reason to make this up in the interest of getting his client out of prison.
I remember reading this when it came out. My bedroom was on the second floor. Reading about the Jodie’s eyes in the attic, I looked out my window and saw ‘eyes’ outside my window. I ran, screaming downstairs to be met with my family playing cards at the kitchen table. None of them looked bothered to hear me screaming bloody murder.
Thanks thoughty2 about showing CuriosityStream. This is the first time I went ahead with a UA-camrs advertising pitch, but I just gotta say this streaming service is right up my alley.
Great video! I think using chapters would make it even better. It would make it easier for viewers to navigate and find what they’re looking for. Keep up the good work!
As someone who owns that same Marlin .35rem, it is absolutely beyond me how you could kill everyone in bed without waking someone up. It has always amazed me.
Found a actually Old ... VHS copy of the Documentary of the Warrens.. investigation, now, also featured is the Police who all said . And believed Butch had help.. even with the Strom that night.. lighting etc .. possibly masking the Sound . But as you can contest. Your rifle is . Loud.. now add inside a House.. All tragic.. six lives.. horrible Murders..
Is it possible to silence this gun in any way? Someone suggested he used a pillow as a silencer, I'm not sure how that would work but it made me wonder
Excellent work. The Amityville Horror was the only film that's ever scared me as I watched it a bit too young. Since then, though, I've essentially viewed horror films as an extension of the comedy genre. One of the sequels to Amityville featured an aggressive exorcism in the opening scenes, leading to the evil escaping the house by travelling up the power cable of an ornate freestanding lamp, which then spread its malign influence by being traded at a car boot sale. The proud new owner of the lamp severely cut her hand on the lamp, which was a forewarning of the horror (the plotline, that is) to come.
I drove past the house a few months back. Its a really nice neighborhood and a quaint little town. Looked like someone was living there currently. Just goes to show weird shit can happen anywhere. Great video man. Love watching your stuff.
I read that book as a teenager and I actually enjoyed the first two movies (as entertainment, not as a tell-all true story kinda way). Actually I have an Uncle who grew up that neighborhood… but he never witnessed anything strange. Cool video as always
This was a very simple case of a lying, spoiled, drug-addicted, lazy evil guy. Butch hated his parents and killed the whole family (why share that cash?) to fund his heroin addiction, then lied until they day he died. The haunting is untrue but the house likely had a bad feeling to it from the murders.
Great video Thoughty2, very well done. My only critique would be that at roughly the 15:54 mark you state the date of the murders as November 13th 1975 but it was actually 1974.
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you're one of my favorite UA-camrs. You're not one of cancel culture dipshits or those red pill idiots either. Thank you for being entertaining and making history fun
I just gotta say, THIS story/ movie whatever scared the absolute Piss out of me when I was a kid back then. Your coverage and synopsis of this is 100% on point! Excellent work and thanks! 😉😮
Ron (Butch) DeFeo gave an interview from prison and said the supernatural stuff was BS. The reason he killed his family is because He was regularly using heavy drugs and had a terrible home life. The Lutz's lawyer offered him money to go along with it. Love your videos, but have to say you mangled the last name. It is pronounced Di-FAY-Oh. Driving by the house was a cheap thrill for Long Islanders like me in the 1980's.
Hey, Valiant- I was just posting what I heard from a roommate I had that was from amityville that knew Ron and the family, he knew the surviving sister. You know- the sister that wasn't there that night?
The thing about stigmata is that people weren't staked through the palms when they were being crucified. It had to be the wrists. If you did it through the palms,they would tear under the person's weight and the victim would slide right off the cross.
I used to live quite near the Amityville house. It's a bit of a letdown in real life. As mentioned in the video, it is in a normal suburb surrounded by loads of other houses. It has also been remodeled, and no longer looks like it used to. They changed the street number too. The people who live in the area get annoyed with people driving past the house to look at it. Unless they have lived there since before the murders, I have very little sympathy for them
@@ericmork630 Honestly, I kind of feel like the whole mythology that happened after the murders to be really distasteful. It seems disrespectful to those poor people who were murdered in their beds.
@@ericmork630 however neither one of you guys know for sure what happened in that house on either occasion rather be the murders or the haunting there’s a possibility that this could be a real event and it’s also a possibility that it could be a money grab. Either way none of us know none of us can be sure and while I am not a fanatical believer in God I believe there’s something there I just don’t know what
In the US a lot of municipalities or counties don’t require anything built below ground to be on the master plan of a house or contribute to the square footage, that red room in the basement is honestly the least scary thing to me personally. My brother bought a house and the basement had been walled off on one end and it didn’t show up on the plans.
The second Amityville film is based (very loosely) on the murders with the demon communicating through the murderers walkman headphones encouraging him to kill his family. Its actually a really good film, better than the first one.
I only saw parts of that one..I heard it was based on Defoe's claim that his older sister helped him murder the parents and then she killed the other kids so he killed her in revenge.
@@littlesongbird1 Its been a while since I watched it but iirc the son gets possesed, rapes the sister before killing the family. The sister is just a victim in the film.
Fantastic as always. I myself am skeptical of most all things too because I like facts and logic. I'm not one to ask about spooky urban legend stuff and sights if you want to believe. I do love Halloween and a good scare though and can over act with the best of them in a haunted house, maze or woods. It's Aaran's story telling that sells... Cheers mate!
Being of Italian descent myself,the correct pronunciation for the murdered family at 112 Ocean Avenue was De Fayo.I know it was spelt DeFeo,but that was the correct pronunciation.Sorry to knitpick,but I have difficulty pronouncing Polish last names.Do not mean to offend anyone.Thank you for an interesting video.😊Hope to see more about supposed haunted houses.
I live on long Island and back in 2010 I think it was... the owners of the home had an estate sale before moving and it made local news...a friend and I went. The house was beautiful and didn't feel haunted at all haha...I still love the story of all of it.
Whyfiles did a great explanation video on this and broke the whole story down with facts backed with sources. A really good video for those who are interested.
Some things not mentioned: The lawyer that claims he made it up with them over wine was known to be angry with the Lutzes because they wouldn't collaborate with him after the news broke of the hauntings to help arrange for Ronnie to get a new trial based on the house being possessed. When they refused to help Ronnie get a new trial, this is when the lawyer told the story about making it up. The Lutzes themselves maintained the story to their deaths, and all of the children are alive today and maintain that something happened in the house. In fact, the events quite psychologically damaged them and you can see it today. They maintain their parents never made it up or asked them to lie about anything. The aunt of the family also confirms it. As for them being behind on mortgage debts, this has been proven incorrect, as the Lutzes continued making payments on the house up until the summer of 1978, months after they'd fled. And 28 days isn't long enough to get into a mortgage crisis. Financial records also show his family business was going steady. They never did return for any of their items, either. Those were auctioned off. As to why nothing happened there after, Lorraine Warren says the house has since been cleansed. And finally, as for the embellishments in the novel, the Lutzes always openly stated the author took dramatic liberties to make the story scarier. They told all their recollections on tape and he took some liberties to make some aspects scarier--they always admitted this. They never made any money off the tale, either, because they spent it on legal fees, being tied up in court the rest of their lives over the rights.
Addendum: Kathy's sister claims that George was heavily into the occult at the time and managed to get Kathy a little involved, too. The kids have also said this over the years. She also claims that George bought the house precisely because of what happened there, far from being ignorant or indifferent to it. She asserts that once they moved in, George was intentionally trying to stir something up within the house, trying to mess with the psychic energy. George is also confirmed to have been heavily physically and psychologically abusive, having beaten the kids so much one of them ended up fleeing home at 13 and not returning. All of the kids disliked George, the oldest to such a heavy degree he's on film saying he smiled when he heard he had died. The Lutzes also say the phenomena didn't stop when they fled, but affected them for some time afterward while staying with Kathy's mother in California.
It's no mystery why Ron DeFeo murdered his family. He was waste of space, who already been fired from a few jobs for been totally useless, he had dropped out of college too. He was on his last chance working for his dad, but he had screwed all that up too, and had run up massive debts on his father's company, which his father only just found out about, and was faced with his father disowning him and kicking him out of his will, so he slaughtered his father, mother and then his siblings to make it look like break-in and murder. His stood to gain a fortune on life insurance policies and whole of father's estate, no siblings to share with. The devil made me do it, was last minute attempt to escape imprisonment. The Lutz's made up their story about hauntings to cash in, they expected large returns, they even made up their own ectoplasm. That is why they didn't mind leaving most of their possessions behind because with the income they expected to get from their bullshit, they could easily replace everything and then some.
Nassau County was one of the most corrupt in the entire state of New York, and that's saying something. My personal take is that little Ronnie got involved with some folks from Manhattan, or at least his erstwhile father did. Daddy did an uh-oh that pissed off some fellas from south Long Island and they leaned on Ronnie to do something for them...only Ronnie, being a complete screw-up, did the whole family. Worried he might have a fail-safe in place they didn't whack him for it, but let him rot in prison.
@@thedungeondelver except the mob has very good hit people already employed by them. They wouldn't use an amateur especially one who was a druggie. The mob rarely will use a hitman who uses drugs because they can't be trusted. They may deal in drugs but they don't like their own people to use them. And they would know how unstable he was. If the mob really wanted to kill the father they would have just had one of their own people do it.
I can see how the sound of the gun didn't wake anybody. If he pushed the barrel directly against each body, the body itself, plus the mattress, would have acted as a silencer.
It's baffling how these killers try to claim insanity, yet somehow they're miraculously cured when they go to prison. You never hear about something paranormal occurring while they are in prison. Meanwhile, there are people out there who buy into these stories and never question that part.
The guy who killed his whole family was off his rocker to the utmost extremes. He thought killing his entire family was the only way to reach heaven. The people he was in prison with said that all he talked about was how he didn't get his grandmother. Every day when anyone talked to him he would repeat the same thing about not getting to kill her. It's all he could think about 24/7. That's not much a mystery if you ask me. Dude was beyond insane with a murderous mentality. That's it.
He constantly changed his story on why he did it all the way up to his death in 2021. He blamed his sister, then his sister and a mysterious person she was working with, then it was him and his sister working together. Then it was his mafia uncles fault, on and on.
i hear pops outside in my neighborhood all the time i blow them off as fireworks that sound like gunshots cause i dont really know what they sound like in a neighborhood setting so not such a stretch the neighbors heard pops and just blew them off as firecrackers or something.
My only issue with the entire concept is the fact of the De’feo family’s furniture was left in the house when the LUTZ family purchased the property! That you would sleep on beds from the horrific murder ! Also the mounting mortgage problems the LUTZ. Family was dealing with - THEY ONLY LIVED IN THE HOME FOR LESS THAN A MONTH!
(Patricia Cammaroto) who was friends with ''Allison DeFeo'', one of the kids who was murdered along with the rest of her family at ''112 Ocean Avenue'' in 1974. From the ABC television series (That's Incredible) 1980. Patricia Cammaroto: I'm going to show you the mysterious ''Red Room'' that's so noted for in the book. This door, which they say was never here, was here, is here, always will be here I suppose. This is the Red Room. Nothing more than a storage area where Allison and her brothers and I used to keep toys. Just a red storage room you know? There was never any feeling of spirits, presence or Ghosts or any sort of thing like that. It was just a play area [where] we used to keep toys. Nothing more than that.
I've been watching your vids for a while now t2. I swear, every time I hear you say your name, it really sounds like you're saying the no. 42. I can't wait to Rosetta stone your language!
I am so dumb. I literally JUST realized that the channel's name is Thoughty2 because 42 is the answer to everything in the universe. I never connected Thoughty2 to 42. I am a brick.
I live near the Amityville Horror House, it’s actually a pretty cool site to drive by occasionally. There’s a huge fence around the place and the new owners don’t like visitors
“Mentally ill from Amityville Accidentally kill your family still Thinkin' he won't, God damnit, he will Mentally ill from Amityville” Eminem, Marshall Mathers LP
never one for this kind of content but the well made and well researched video, your northern accent and yourself made me actually sit through the entire thing
The Warrens said the house was actually haunted but most people involved say it wasn't. I am sure the house had issues after the murders but probably not the extent the movie made it out to be. The family that lives there now has lived there for years from my understanding.
@@msaintjo You're welcome. I didn't know that either until I was looking up the address of a friend whom I hadn't seen in many years. I wondered why it was all blurred out?? When I found out it could be requested - I wasn't totally surprised they would have had it done. Super private type. Lol!
When they were taking pictures of the house John Defeos ghost is peering out of a door. No children were in the house at the time, I was always creeped out by that photo. Love the videos and thank you for making them, my most favourite UA-camr ever! ❤
Love this channel, but these types of “events” I don’t find to be real. Not a believer. However, that doesn’t change the fact that all of the videos Thoughty2 produces are amazing! Regardless if I differ in belief from the topic of said video.
I'm currently househunting. Recently I viewed a house and afterwards my description to everyone was "It looks like the house a family buys at the start of a horror movie because it's so quaint and unique but a month later they find a murder basement and there's something living in their walls but they don't know if it's a serial killer or a demon". The fact that that's how I describe a house probably says a lot about what I mostly watch on UA-cam and Netflix...
As a small-scale real estate investor, if the price to buy the house is right, it sounds like an ideal rental property! Seriously, I was a teenager when the book came out, and indeed I read it (and have seen at least a few of the movie adaptations.) Even teen-aged me thought the whole story was BS, and I remain convinced of that to this day. Thanks, Thoughty2!
The couple’s terrifying tale of demonic possession inspired the 1977 book “The Amityville Horror,” a hit 1979 movie of the same name and several sequels, including a 2005 remake. Though their story is now widely thought of as a hoax, the Lutz’s so-called horror house continues to fascinate the public.
I can see my way past all the supernatural nonsense pretty easily. What intrigues me is the murders. Why didn't any neighbors report 8 gunshots in a suburban neighborhood early in the morning? If the story about drugging the family dinner is true, then that means the drug test was a false negative. Even so, that nobody woke up is very strange.
@@banedon8087 Pillows do help muffle gunshots, but not by very much. Considering the gun in this case is a rifle however makes it unlikely that a pillow was used as a sound suppressor.
@@daniell1483 That's fair enough. My knowledge of firearms is relatively low and your explanation sounds plausible. Could he has used multiple layers, or would it still have been very loud? Otherwise, you're right about it not making sense.
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I bought a renumbered 666 house in my town, and after two decades, the only crazy shit in the attic was the year I stored our decorations facing out the window.
The local school kids kept looking and pointing up to their parents. Wife found out pumpkin and ghost faces were being noticed as the sun started to drop in the sky.🙃
Hey Brit 👍
What happened to your mustache,sir?
THANK YOU. You're probably the only UA-camr who's focused on the real horror of the Amityville house.
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The film was better.
@@Sw-sx7nw Awe we have an intelligent one here, comparing a movie with a budget of millions of dollars to a 16+ min UA-cam video.
@@padraig5335 don't even bother with them it's not worth it...
@@Nell_Hell True, I really need to put that into practice. The worst part is I know better.
I met a guy in the Air Force that grew up a few houses down from the house in the story. He said aside from the murders everything about it was BS. It's just a plain old house in a plain old neighborhood with one tragic story. And bought by a couple of clowns that couldn't really afford it.
He was not there…being “down” the street doesn’t Qualify as a legitimate I witnessed anything
@@douglasfrancis2927 He was three houses down if you want to be exact.
@@BoSmith7045 still that proves nothing just because he didn’t observe anything from an outside point of view does it mean something wasn’t going on.
@@douglasfrancis2927 so it's more likely that demons ran wild in the house than that a guy, living in close vicinity of the house, saying there are nothing supernatural about it telling is the truth?
@@darkviolet as according to the story the demons ran only in the house, so that guy who lives three houses down cant exactly dismiss that, he wasnt in the house
probably the most perplexing detail is that *no one heard a single gunshot* ...
@paul simin Clickbait? What on earth are you talking about? How can Skinwalker's statement (which is true) be called clickbait?
Silencers.
@Jabber Wocky he's a bot, all his comments are the same.
@@thylacinegamer6314 Do you have any experience with silencers though? Because I heard that they do not actually make guns silent, but I’m not sure how loud they would be
Pillows muffle gunshots
Thoughty is the type of guy to say "he's standing right behind me, isnt he" in a horror scenario, pull out a stretchable baseball bat from pants and dominate the antagonist
bruuh 😂
Oddly specific but true 😅
Nah, just repel them with mustache power. Easy.
Cricket bat*
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When I was in High School, 112 Ocean Avenue was a household topic! We were obsessed with houses that would "wake-up". Thank you for this topic, it's a fantastic book also. One of the best scary movies of the 70's with the power to make you imagine all sorts of activity in your own home. Fantastic in so many ways... from flies and the smell of an unclean spirit, to the secret room under the stairs. Gets better with age. So many conspiracy theories surrounding the book, family, and motivations for sharing their story. I remember Mr. and Mrs. Lutz doing an interview on a radio program in St. Louis as they shared why they left everything behind. Loved it all!
It's literally all a lie except for the murders by Defoe, his sister and his friend.
The secret room under the stairs isn't a room, it's a couple of square foot space under the basement stairs, it wasn't walled up or painted red, it's all utter nonsense, the Lutz's kid did a doc where he told the truth, his dad was an angry drunk with money troubles who couldn't afford the home, simple.
The thought of a ghost slapping someone across the face always cracks me up 😂
hahaha... 😂 I always like to think that they're not ghosts but creatures from higher dimensions, hence why they can kinda control us
@@jazlyn7590 i guess that's why he got slapped, that holy water aint doing shnn
There is a man here, who ran in front of my house crying. (He is actually older than me). When my aunt asked why he is crying, he said something slapped him in the face (precisely in his mouth / lower jaw) while he did fishing in the river.
That story happened about 24 years ago. And that man, is still having issue with his mouth until today. Partially paralysis, slightly tilted to the right (to the direction where he got slapped by something he couldn't see). And he can't talk straightly since that day because of the paralysis in his mouth.
I was 11 that day, and he was about 16. There was no reason for him to lie about anything. He didn't say about ghost either. He just said, something slapped him in the face but he didn't know what. He just got slapped while holding his fishing rod, and he cried out heading home. It just happened that he walked in front of my house to get home, and my aunt asked him why he cry. So I was one of the first people who listened to his testimonies. I also saw how bad his mouth and lower jaw looked that day. When he cried, he couldn't talk straightly, and his mouth kept tilting to the right.
If a man slapped him, it must a hard slap that would leave some wound on him. At least, made him bleeding. But this is not. He didn't have any bruise that day, just a trace of bluish in his cheek where he got slapped.
The look in his mouth is a bit different today compared to that day. But he still gets the issue with his mouth, and it's still tiled to the right.
That’s what I’ve been telling people. No matter if the house is actually haunted or not, 6 people still lost their lives in that house. I wouldn’t feel comfortable in that house at all!!! And I’m surprised most big name UA-camrs who cover cases like this haven’t made a video on it yet, but I’m so glad you have!!!
(I’m talking about this house specifically not other houses where people have passed away)
I feel it's a very american thing to be uneasy by the fact people has died in a house. Many European houses are hundreds of years old and people still live in them while it's almost a garantue people has died there. Just an observation
Every old house has had people who died there. Elderly people almost certainly died in their bed at home. In my house now, I know two previous owners died here.
@@absolutelynobodycares Well no I don’t think it’s necessarily an American thing. You gotta understand in this particular house there were innocent kids that were murdered. I feel like that would make anyone kind of uneasy if they stepped into a house like that. It would be different situation and feeling entirely if someone just passed away from natural causes inside their house, that doesn’t really throw me off as much as kids and other innocent people getting murdered.
@@Muswell I’m talking about this house in particular, where innocent people were brutally killed. Different situation entirely
Lots of big name UA-camrs have made videos on it☺️
The thing that always got me about Butch is when he didn't get anyone on the telephone, why didn't he go home and see what was going on? That's why I never believed his story. He said that his father always showed up for work or at least called and said why he wasn't coming in and it's weird that Butch went to work before his father did that day. You think his father would have been up the same time he was since he was, to put it lightly, a lay about. And to top it off, after not being able to get hold of anybody, he goes out drinking after work rather than going home to see if something is wrong?? And he didn't have a key to the place where he lived? Yeah, right. If he didn't kill them himself before leaving he gave the key to whoever actually did the killings.
Well, he did confess to it, so I mean...
Besides, having a drink after work, was extremely normal back in the days :P
@paul simin I fell for it and now I can't get up. Help
Here... Let me give you a hand... 😂@@destructo870
This was my first thought hearing the story, like 1 missed call isn't anything I'd be concerned with but after 2-3 across a couple hours that's when I'd get worried and go to check as soon as I was able to.
I always thought the Defeo murders were far more scary than what the Lutz’s say happened.
Yeah especially since it actually cost six lives I think I can agree with you on that one but if you had some unknown entity running around doing some crazy shit it would probably scare the shit out of you
Shot everyone, in bed, face down, no signs of struggle , no signs the bodies were moved, nobody heard any gun shots, makes no sense
Repent and commit no sin.. Jesus Christ will save you from evil.
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@@madtitan-bringerofgenocide Jesus was a magician
Also, if I'm not mistaken, the Lutz's attorney was also Butch DeFeo's defense attorney. He would definitely have a reason to make this up in the interest of getting his client out of prison.
I remember reading this when it came out. My bedroom was on the second floor. Reading about the Jodie’s eyes in the attic, I looked out my window and saw ‘eyes’ outside my window. I ran, screaming downstairs to be met with my family playing cards at the kitchen table. None of them looked bothered to hear me screaming bloody murder.
Maybe they had their poker faces on ?
Well I guess they probably named you serenity for a reason then
Maybe you saw your own reflection?! Was it dark outside, while sufficient lighting in the room?
It's called imagination.
I just found your channel and it's brilliant. I've been binge watching it today. Not only educational, but totally entertaining. Thank you.
The scariest part of the whole video is the sheer number of Amity movies that were on that list. Especially the in Space one? WTF?
I watched one it was bad.
@@stephenpmurphy591 Yeah, only 1&2 are any good and the remake.
Every franchise 🤦
Thanks thoughty2 about showing CuriosityStream. This is the first time I went ahead with a UA-camrs advertising pitch, but I just gotta say this streaming service is right up my alley.
Great video! I think using chapters would make it even better. It would make it easier for viewers to navigate and find what they’re looking for. Keep up the good work!
As someone who owns that same Marlin .35rem, it is absolutely beyond me how you could kill everyone in bed without waking someone up. It has always amazed me.
Found a actually Old ... VHS copy of the Documentary of the Warrens.. investigation, now, also featured is the Police who all said . And believed Butch had help.. even with the Strom that night.. lighting etc .. possibly masking the Sound . But as you can contest. Your rifle is . Loud.. now add inside a House..
All tragic.. six lives.. horrible Murders..
I have asked any person I know that regularly handles guns/rifles about the sound of that one. LOUD was the response I would always get
@@HorrorHermitofHell It's not that bad then?
Most rifles are LOUD AF.
Is it possible to silence this gun in any way? Someone suggested he used a pillow as a silencer, I'm not sure how that would work but it made me wonder
@@HorrorHermitofHellpotato.
Excellent work.
The Amityville Horror was the only film that's ever scared me as I watched it a bit too young. Since then, though, I've essentially viewed horror films as an extension of the comedy genre. One of the sequels to Amityville featured an aggressive exorcism in the opening scenes, leading to the evil escaping the house by travelling up the power cable of an ornate freestanding lamp, which then spread its malign influence by being traded at a car boot sale. The proud new owner of the lamp severely cut her hand on the lamp, which was a forewarning of the horror (the plotline, that is) to come.
Only horror that "scared" me (I'm extremely... apathetic to horror), was REC. The spanish original. If you haven't seen it, I urge you to.
@@Schmorgus the attic scene was pretty intense.
I like how you show a proper map of the area. Plus growing up in the area even with the changes to the house it’s easy to find.
Such a scary and interesting story, I live on Long Island. About 15 mins away from the amityville horror
I drove past the house a few months back. Its a really nice neighborhood and a quaint little town. Looked like someone was living there currently. Just goes to show weird shit can happen anywhere. Great video man. Love watching your stuff.
I read that book as a teenager and I actually enjoyed the first two movies (as entertainment, not as a tell-all true story kinda way). Actually I have an Uncle who grew up that neighborhood… but he never witnessed anything strange. Cool video as always
This was a very simple case of a lying, spoiled, drug-addicted, lazy evil guy. Butch hated his parents and killed the whole family (why share that cash?) to fund his heroin addiction, then lied until they day he died. The haunting is untrue but the house likely had a bad feeling to it from the murders.
Great video Thoughty2, very well done. My only critique would be that at roughly the 15:54 mark you state the date of the murders as November 13th 1975 but it was actually 1974.
Why polygraphs are not reliable?
The accuracy (i.e., validity) of polygraph testing has long been controversial. An underlying problem is theoretical: There is no evidence that any pattern of physiological reactions is unique to deception. An honest person may be nervous when answering truthfully and a dishonest person may be non-anxious.
you're one of my favorite UA-camrs. You're not one of cancel culture dipshits or those red pill idiots either. Thank you for being entertaining and making history fun
For me you are the best narrator hope you do more episodes
I just gotta say, THIS story/ movie whatever scared the absolute Piss out of me when I was a kid back then. Your coverage and synopsis of this is 100% on point! Excellent work and thanks! 😉😮
The author, Jay Anson, died March 12, 1980, and the killer, Ronald DeFeo, Jr. died on March 12, 2021.
It's always a good day when Thoughty2 has a new upload!
Please do episodes on the Winchester house and Danver's State Hospital!!! 😃
Ron (Butch) DeFeo gave an interview from prison and said the supernatural stuff was BS. The reason he killed his family is because He was regularly using heavy drugs and had a terrible home life. The Lutz's lawyer offered him money to go along with it. Love your videos, but have to say you mangled the last name. It is pronounced Di-FAY-Oh. Driving by the house was a cheap thrill for Long Islanders like me in the 1980's.
No
@@helloimclaudio damn ok
Hey, Valiant- I was just posting what I heard from a roommate I had that was from amityville that knew Ron and the family, he knew the surviving sister. You know- the sister that wasn't there that night?
@@helloimclaudio Yes
@@upinarms79 No
The thing about stigmata is that people weren't staked through the palms when they were being crucified. It had to be the wrists. If you did it through the palms,they would tear under the person's weight and the victim would slide right off the cross.
I used to live quite near the Amityville house. It's a bit of a letdown in real life. As mentioned in the video, it is in a normal suburb surrounded by loads of other houses. It has also been remodeled, and no longer looks like it used to. They changed the street number too.
The people who live in the area get annoyed with people driving past the house to look at it. Unless they have lived there since before the murders, I have very little sympathy for them
Being a rational skeptic, that's pretty what I figure the house is like in reality. Human imagination and superstition is powerful.
@@ericmork630 Honestly, I kind of feel like the whole mythology that happened after the murders to be really distasteful. It seems disrespectful to those poor people who were murdered in their beds.
@@thepenultimateninja5797 absolutely. It really sucks when real tragedies are exploited.
@@ericmork630 however neither one of you guys know for sure what happened in that house on either occasion rather be the murders or the haunting there’s a possibility that this could be a real event and it’s also a possibility that it could be a money grab. Either way none of us know none of us can be sure and while I am not a fanatical believer in God I believe there’s something there I just don’t know what
@@douglasfrancis2927 Well, I think we can say for sure that it wasn't a haunting, because ghosts do not exist.
In the US a lot of municipalities or counties don’t require anything built below ground to be on the master plan of a house or contribute to the square footage, that red room in the basement is honestly the least scary thing to me personally. My brother bought a house and the basement had been walled off on one end and it didn’t show up on the plans.
Nice treat that you covered this old scary story. I watched the movie through my fingers over my eyes😂
Dont take this the wrong way but your videos really help me fall asleep
Great way to bring knowledge to the history, thank you
He didn't bring knowledge, he just presented it, it's all been out there for forty years, I'm 46 and have known it's nonsense since I was a kid.
In my infinite wisdom, I decided to watch this in the morning hours before anyone else got up.
Never thought I’d say the comments were comforting
The second Amityville film is based (very loosely) on the murders with the demon communicating through the murderers walkman headphones encouraging him to kill his family. Its actually a really good film, better than the first one.
I only saw parts of that one..I heard it was based on Defoe's claim that his older sister helped him murder the parents and then she killed the other kids so he killed her in revenge.
@@littlesongbird1 Its been a while since I watched it but iirc the son gets possesed, rapes the sister before killing the family. The sister is just a victim in the film.
I’m currently reading the book. So this video was a nice little surprise.
Fantastic as always.
I myself am skeptical of most all things too because I like facts and logic.
I'm not one to ask about spooky urban legend stuff and sights if you want to believe. I do love Halloween and a good scare though and can over act with the best of them in a haunted house, maze or woods.
It's Aaran's story telling that sells...
Cheers mate!
Being of Italian descent myself,the correct pronunciation for the murdered family at 112 Ocean Avenue was De Fayo.I know it was spelt DeFeo,but that was the correct pronunciation.Sorry to knitpick,but I have difficulty pronouncing Polish last names.Do not mean to offend anyone.Thank you for an interesting video.😊Hope to see more about supposed haunted houses.
No offence here, that's how I've always heard it pronounced and how I have always said it, but then I grew up with these films, I'm old!.
I live on long Island and back in 2010 I think it was... the owners of the home had an estate sale before moving and it made local news...a friend and I went. The house was beautiful and didn't feel haunted at all haha...I still love the story of all of it.
Too bad the windows have been reshaped regular rectangle, the house is not anymore the oddly staring face we all remember.
Good work Aaren !
You didn't use the famous "eye window" house design from the original house - you used the new "square window" look.
Whyfiles did a great explanation video on this and broke the whole story down with facts backed with sources. A really good video for those who are interested.
These ghost transitions keep scaring the shit out of me 😅
Why doesn’t this video have 30million views! It’s so well done kudos to the animator
You can tell someone's lying about stigmata when they say it's on their palms
Curiosity Stream is OP
Only been subscribed to it for a little under 2 weeks, and now I know so much that the FBI is currently tracking me
Lol
Thank you for your youtube show you and your team do awesome job
Some things not mentioned:
The lawyer that claims he made it up with them over wine was known to be angry with the Lutzes because they wouldn't collaborate with him after the news broke of the hauntings to help arrange for Ronnie to get a new trial based on the house being possessed. When they refused to help Ronnie get a new trial, this is when the lawyer told the story about making it up. The Lutzes themselves maintained the story to their deaths, and all of the children are alive today and maintain that something happened in the house. In fact, the events quite psychologically damaged them and you can see it today. They maintain their parents never made it up or asked them to lie about anything. The aunt of the family also confirms it.
As for them being behind on mortgage debts, this has been proven incorrect, as the Lutzes continued making payments on the house up until the summer of 1978, months after they'd fled. And 28 days isn't long enough to get into a mortgage crisis. Financial records also show his family business was going steady. They never did return for any of their items, either. Those were auctioned off.
As to why nothing happened there after, Lorraine Warren says the house has since been cleansed.
And finally, as for the embellishments in the novel, the Lutzes always openly stated the author took dramatic liberties to make the story scarier. They told all their recollections on tape and he took some liberties to make some aspects scarier--they always admitted this. They never made any money off the tale, either, because they spent it on legal fees, being tied up in court the rest of their lives over the rights.
Addendum:
Kathy's sister claims that George was heavily into the occult at the time and managed to get Kathy a little involved, too. The kids have also said this over the years.
She also claims that George bought the house precisely because of what happened there, far from being ignorant or indifferent to it. She asserts that once they moved in, George was intentionally trying to stir something up within the house, trying to mess with the psychic energy.
George is also confirmed to have been heavily physically and psychologically abusive, having beaten the kids so much one of them ended up fleeing home at 13 and not returning. All of the kids disliked George, the oldest to such a heavy degree he's on film saying he smiled when he heard he had died.
The Lutzes also say the phenomena didn't stop when they fled, but affected them for some time afterward while staying with Kathy's mother in California.
Great video. Glorious mustache. Thanks for the wonderful content!
It's no mystery why Ron DeFeo murdered his family. He was waste of space, who already been fired from a few jobs for been totally useless, he had dropped out of college too. He was on his last chance working for his dad, but he had screwed all that up too, and had run up massive debts on his father's company, which his father only just found out about, and was faced with his father disowning him and kicking him out of his will, so he slaughtered his father, mother and then his siblings to make it look like break-in and murder. His stood to gain a fortune on life insurance policies and whole of father's estate, no siblings to share with. The devil made me do it, was last minute attempt to escape imprisonment. The Lutz's made up their story about hauntings to cash in, they expected large returns, they even made up their own ectoplasm. That is why they didn't mind leaving most of their possessions behind because with the income they expected to get from their bullshit, they could easily replace everything and then some.
Nassau County was one of the most corrupt in the entire state of New York, and that's saying something. My personal take is that little Ronnie got involved with some folks from Manhattan, or at least his erstwhile father did. Daddy did an uh-oh that pissed off some fellas from south Long Island and they leaned on Ronnie to do something for them...only Ronnie, being a complete screw-up, did the whole family. Worried he might have a fail-safe in place they didn't whack him for it, but let him rot in prison.
@@thedungeondelver except the mob has very good hit people already employed by them. They wouldn't use an amateur especially one who was a druggie. The mob rarely will use a hitman who uses drugs because they can't be trusted. They may deal in drugs but they don't like their own people to use them. And they would know how unstable he was. If the mob really wanted to kill the father they would have just had one of their own people do it.
I can see how the sound of the gun didn't wake anybody. If he pushed the barrel directly against each body, the body itself, plus the mattress, would have acted as a silencer.
Thoughty2 you did a great one with that documentary :) Thank you! :D
Oh I love this story. Live a few hours from the house love to see it.
This was a good watch. Thank you for the TV worthy content sir😊
It's baffling how these killers try to claim insanity, yet somehow they're miraculously cured when they go to prison. You never hear about something paranormal occurring while they are in prison. Meanwhile, there are people out there who buy into these stories and never question that part.
The guy who killed his whole family was off his rocker to the utmost extremes. He thought killing his entire family was the only way to reach heaven. The people he was in prison with said that all he talked about was how he didn't get his grandmother. Every day when anyone talked to him he would repeat the same thing about not getting to kill her. It's all he could think about 24/7. That's not much a mystery if you ask me. Dude was beyond insane with a murderous mentality. That's it.
He constantly changed his story on why he did it all the way up to his death in 2021. He blamed his sister, then his sister and a mysterious person she was working with, then it was him and his sister working together. Then it was his mafia uncles fault, on and on.
That book creeped me out so bad as a kid I had to stay up all night to finish it in one night because I was too scared to go to sleep 😂
I'm pretty sure use of a silencer could explain people not hearing the shots.
Unless... did they have silencers in 1979?
Silencers ain't that quiet tbh.
@@james-xf1ox so I guess they all needed to have been drugged. But at least it could keep neighbors from hearing I guess?
@@bazdaniels7420 yes, inside an house a silencer on that rifle would still be loud af
@@james-xf1ox Criminy. Maybe the hour being 2-4am... folks being asleep and all... ?
I don’t think you can get a silencer for that model?
i hear pops outside in my neighborhood all the time i blow them off as fireworks that sound like gunshots cause i dont really know what they sound like in a neighborhood setting so not such a stretch the neighbors heard pops and just blew them off as firecrackers or something.
What i would do to make a pact with an invisible entity to smack people for me.
My only issue with the entire concept is the fact of the De’feo family’s furniture was left in the house when the LUTZ family purchased the property! That you would sleep on beds from the horrific murder !
Also the mounting mortgage problems the LUTZ. Family was dealing with - THEY ONLY LIVED IN THE HOME FOR LESS THAN A MONTH!
I just posted this on another comment! That would give me the creeps forever to sleep in the same bed where someone died.
I love ghost stories and I glad you are covering this.
(Patricia Cammaroto) who was friends with ''Allison DeFeo'', one of the kids who was murdered along with the rest of her family at ''112 Ocean Avenue'' in 1974. From the ABC television series (That's Incredible) 1980. Patricia Cammaroto: I'm going to show you the mysterious ''Red Room'' that's so noted for in the book. This door, which they say was never here, was here, is here, always will be here I suppose. This is the Red Room. Nothing more than a storage area where Allison and her brothers and I used to keep toys. Just a red storage room you know? There was never any feeling of spirits, presence or Ghosts or any sort of thing like that. It was just a play area [where] we used to keep toys. Nothing more than that.
I've been watching your vids for a while now t2. I swear, every time I hear you say your name, it really sounds like you're saying the no. 42. I can't wait to Rosetta stone your language!
I am so dumb.
I literally JUST realized that the channel's name is Thoughty2 because 42 is the answer to everything in the universe. I never connected Thoughty2 to 42.
I am a brick.
A lot of "haunted houses" have issues like co1 and other environmental contamination so there's that
Excellent story teller. I love everything u post
At the state fair, I won a large plushie red pig. I gave it to my little brother who called it Jodie. ^_^
I live near the Amityville Horror House, it’s actually a pretty cool site to drive by occasionally. There’s a huge fence around the place and the new owners don’t like visitors
Also, an unusual bit in the murders. All six were sleeping face down. Not the norm. Not one sleeping on their back or side?
Maybe butch made them all lie face down before he shot them he claimed they were asleep but you never know...
@@littlesongbird1 Still don't get why they didn't wake up when he fired the first shot.
@@scottneil1187 Exactly...
Always loved the Simpsons Amityville parody Bad Dream House from the 1st Treehouse of Horror
You've left out so much of the DeFeo story...close to his sister? Like incestuously close. Terrorizing and torturing his brothers? And more.
You have to leave out less important things when you make a short documentary.
It’s a 16 minute video chill😂
There is no evidence of any of that dude, it was made up for the second movie. All rumour and speculation that sprung up after the event.
“Mentally ill from Amityville
Accidentally kill your family still
Thinkin' he won't, God damnit, he will
Mentally ill from Amityville”
Eminem, Marshall Mathers LP
I named my kid forty two just because of you. Dont panic.
never one for this kind of content but the well made and well researched video, your northern accent and yourself made me actually sit through the entire thing
Ummmm how could mortgage bills be piling up if they were only there for 28 days I wonder?
Amityville means "Friendship Village" in French if I recall correctly.
I'm pretty sure the family had buyer's remorse and had to do something fast to make money and get out of debt.
That's what I always thought. All bullshit in a try not to have to pay for the house.
The Warrens said the house was actually haunted but most people involved say it wasn't. I am sure the house had issues after the murders but probably not the extent the movie made it out to be. The family that lives there now has lived there for years from my understanding.
Looked it up on Google Maps and it's actually blurred out for some reason.😮
If you check Google maps you can actually request your address be permanently blurred out.
@@blujeans9462 I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info
@@msaintjo You're welcome. I didn't know that either until I was looking up the address of a friend whom I hadn't seen in many years. I wondered why it was all blurred out?? When I found out it could be requested - I wasn't totally surprised they would have had it done. Super private type. Lol!
Once you've murdered one family member, why stop? In for a penny, in for a pound. I doubt the murders are much more complex than that.
Long Island… Mafia… checks out. 🤷🏻♀️ The Italian Mob would 100% capitalize on people’s superstition.
When they were taking pictures of the house John Defeos ghost is peering out of a door. No children were in the house at the time, I was always creeped out by that photo.
Love the videos and thank you for making them, my most favourite UA-camr ever!
❤
The photo taken by the Warren's you mean (look them up, or watch the Conjuring universe films). That's instant evidence it's bull.
@nickers7409 Photoshop did not exist
Love this channel, but these types of “events” I don’t find to be real. Not a believer. However, that doesn’t change the fact that all of the videos Thoughty2 produces are amazing! Regardless if I differ in belief from the topic of said video.
You would be right, it's not real. The only thing that is real are the murders DeFoe, his sister and his friend committed.
Grab some popcorn sitdown and watch this
Thoughty2 is the answer to life the the universe and everything.
I'm currently househunting. Recently I viewed a house and afterwards my description to everyone was "It looks like the house a family buys at the start of a horror movie because it's so quaint and unique but a month later they find a murder basement and there's something living in their walls but they don't know if it's a serial killer or a demon". The fact that that's how I describe a house probably says a lot about what I mostly watch on UA-cam and Netflix...
15:17 how did they trick the poly though? Impressive
This guy could make taxes be like a action film with his story telling
Here I'm, time is almost 12 at night here, on my bed listening to horror stories so that I could get some sleep😶...
As a small-scale real estate investor, if the price to buy the house is right, it sounds like an ideal rental property! Seriously, I was a teenager when the book came out, and indeed I read it (and have seen at least a few of the movie adaptations.) Even teen-aged me thought the whole story was BS, and I remain convinced of that to this day.
Thanks, Thoughty2!
Until his death Ron Defeo swore his father was mafia and the FBI put hit on his family.
Then you're a fool because it happened to two separate families within ten years. You don't have to believe in the devil because he believes in you
thx for this video. i‘m a fan of the amityville series.
The couple’s terrifying tale of demonic possession inspired the 1977 book “The Amityville Horror,” a hit 1979 movie of the same name and several sequels, including a 2005 remake.
Though their story is now widely thought of as a hoax, the Lutz’s so-called horror house continues to fascinate the public.
thank for making another great content
I can see my way past all the supernatural nonsense pretty easily. What intrigues me is the murders. Why didn't any neighbors report 8 gunshots in a suburban neighborhood early in the morning? If the story about drugging the family dinner is true, then that means the drug test was a false negative. Even so, that nobody woke up is very strange.
Pillows?
There’s thousands of cases of people not hearing an event with gunshots or they hear it but pass it off as something else
@@banedon8087 Pillows do help muffle gunshots, but not by very much. Considering the gun in this case is a rifle however makes it unlikely that a pillow was used as a sound suppressor.
@@daniell1483 That's fair enough. My knowledge of firearms is relatively low and your explanation sounds plausible. Could he has used multiple layers, or would it still have been very loud? Otherwise, you're right about it not making sense.