JFK: Sifting Fact from Fiction - How Accurate is Oliver Stone's Controversial Thriller?
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2023
- Conspiracies still swirl around the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963. Many of those were depicted in Oliver Stone's 1991 film JFK, and today we'll dig deep into the true story with historian Marty Morgan.
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Couldn’t watch more than 3 minutes of this pre school teacher
Lol. Then you don't know what you talking about. You stopped watching because you think JFK movie is full of truths...as soon as he said it was inaccurate you bailed.
@@denroy3 Just the opposite, he has brains.
@@duke4384movie is fiction.
Have you ever actually looked into all the real evidence?
@@denroy3 Blow it out of your A$$!
Wait..... ALL movies aren't accurate?
The U2 program was a CIA funded operation. Not Air Force or Navy.
Oswald worked on that program in Japan.
Oswald was Office of Naval Intelligence whaen he was sent to the USSR on a soft Intelligence-gathering mission that he completed.
@davebarrowcliffe1289 You're recycling old, shopworn, long-debunked disinformation. There is no evidence that Oswald’s Marine unit dealt at ll with the U2’s operations; nor is there any evidence Oswald displayed any interest in or curiosity about the plane. Further, Oswald never worked in nor had any connection with "intelligence."
Correct, an honest statement, Amen.
CIA ain't not got no money son. Uncle CIA ain't not never have any money....
@@michael-4k4000 Yo pappy CIA dun have no moolah n' moo? Why don't you donate?
I can't even get through the 1st 20 minutes of this
it's a huge book, but read Bugliosi's Reclaiming History. This will set you straight.
@@billkeon880 It's the video, AND the book, the book was already debunked after the documents were released. Anyone can go to the National Archives online and read everything for themselves, not propaganda from lying authors. THE HSCA already proved the magic bullet theory wrong, so anything he says is automatically questionable.
@@billkeon880 The book sucks, don't waste your money.
yeah right. you spend 20 years writing your magus opus - 1500 pages and cdr of 1200 pages of supplementary notes. But hey - someone else wrote one of 1800 books and has a power point? Crime of the century - maybe any century? And you think the guy that did it is.....? And they ALL use the Warren Report and HSCA as their primary source material?@@tom-id1nz
@@tom-id1nzboo hoo
This guy is a complete joke
Exactly. The idea that there is NO EVIDENCE of frontal shots is simply absurd. Blood Splatter, brain matter and bones flung to the left rear is all the proof you need. The head shot jerking backward violently is definitely good evidence. The neck wound is definitely evidence of frontal shots. The fact that the brain was NOT INCLUDED IN THE AUTOPSY is the final nail in the coffin in the WR BS.
The doctors said he could have possibly survived the throat wound.
That wound was very survivable they had air opened in the hospital. If he didn't have half his brain blown out he would have lived 100%.
Except John Liggett was dressed in scrubs and floating around Trauma Room #1 to make sure he didn't survive there, just in case he was lightly wounded. Liggett was also ready to tamper JFK's wounds in surgical intensive car in case that contingency happened. Then finish JFK off so Earl Rose could have done the autopsy. Rose was an unknowing patsy, hired only in June 1963 to be on hand for being deceived. As it happened, JFK ended up with 6 massive holes in his head and so the Humes option had to be exercised at Bethesda for the autopsy after all. But there were several branching patterns of possible contingencies that were engineered to be available. Including Al Carone with a sniper rifle at Love Field, but he couldn't get a clear angle on JFK. Also Morgan Brown around the corner from Dealey Plaza on Stemmons, shooting from the Cabana Hotel. Had JFK gotten alive out of Dealey Plaza, that's why Jackie had the bright bold red roses-- to mark her man as the target. Also why Nellie had yellow and LBJ made damn sure Lady Bird had a tiny inconspicuous bouquet. Connally was shot because Yarborough was supposed to be in that seat.@@jefferycampbell8724
Lol people still can't let it go. Oswald alone shot JFK. There was no conspiracy and we knew this in 1963. Only Booth was part of a conspiracy. The other 8 assassinations were all 1 person with great big balls, all had documented mental issues and all were caught.
He had Addison's Disease and other ailments that would have made the throat wound likely fatal. Kennedy's health was always tenuous.
The throat bullet missed the carotid artery and the jugular vein. Addison's disease is an adrenal gland disease, near the kidneys, That isn't the throat. JFK would have survived the throat wound (alone) just fine except for damage to his voicebox..@@brianarbenz1329
I love the line where Garrison casts grave doubt on Ferrey's ridiculous story about what he was doing on 11/22/63. "I find your story very hard to beleive, David" .to which Pesci replies, (w/ his terrible, phony Southern accent), "what part?" JP did more w/ his time on screen than a lot of actors could.
For the record, of course, in real life Ferrie always hotly denied any knowledge of the assassination and at the time of his death from Berry aneurysm after failing health was preparing to sue Garrison for harassment.
That comment was true, by the way, as I read that comment he made by other reputable researchers!
The movie plays like a very dark comedy.
@@denroy3 Murder is dark, and the characters are real. Read Garrison's books!
@@Anthony-ws2ve Garrison lies his ass off in his books.
Garrison's Magic Bullet can easily be refuted by the Zapruder Film. But the American public did not see the Zapruder Film until 1974.
Garrison's magic bullet? That was Arlen Spector who came up with that hogwash!
after watching right thru, I can't help but notice that Marty sounds exactly like Steve Carel. I recently started watching re-runs of 'the Office'. it's uncanny. he often sits, looking at the camera, talking.
He sounds like a homosexual to me.
He would do well as a stand up comlc! He missed out as a member of the Warren commission.
read Howard Willens book History Will Prove Us Right. Detailed operation of the commission and the staffing, showing how absurd it would be to influence the commission. 13 different lead lawyers charged with investigating a different aspect of the assassination...each of the 13 with half a dozen researchers and investigators and more secretarial staff in addition. Most think of the 7 plus Warren and it would be easy to control this small number of people, but there were about 50-60 people doing the grunt work. If any of these saw something weird going on that was counter to their evidence, they would have been guilty of murder conspiracy after the fact in the cover up. Do you think any of these people would risk a life sentence (conspirators get the same term as the guy who pulls the trigger) if they saw some funny business or being asked to shut up or else? Go down in history as the muderer of a martyr and great well-loved president in a cold-war against the evil Ruskies? Same goes for any of the commission heads? Not a chance. I was a conspiracy theorist for 30 years and was supremely informed on all the conspiracy arguments having read dozens of books. But I had virtually no knowledge of the true facts. Educate yourself with the other side of the argument.
Right on ! 😂
That was good
Why did Jacky climb on the trunk of the car after the head shot? To grab a piece of JFK's head THAT WAS BLOWN OUT THE BACK!!! mic drop.
the spray of small peices and blood in the air were carried backward as the limo travelled forward and into a headwind (you can google the wether conditions on that day - there was a pronounced headwind). 1) If you look at frame 313 you can see most of the brain and blood goes up and to the front. 2) if you look at the small movement of the head from frame 312-313 you can see JFK's head move FORWARD. 3) the head-sot bullet fragments went to the front of the vehicle - that's evidence of a shot from the rear. 4) the path of the bullet was on the longitudonal axis along the right hemisphere from back to front. A shot from the grassy knoll would have had to cross from the right through the left hemosphere. This did not show in the autopsy. 5) the autopsy shows beveling of the inside surface of the occipital bone (indicating rear entry) and the same on the front bullet hole (beveling on the outer surface) indicating exit. The fracture pattern radiates from back to front. The tracing of bullet fragements show higher concentration at the rear and less concentration at the front of the brain (decreasing pattern) which in autopsy evidence shows rear entry. The HSCA had 9 forensic doctors who did a full breakdown of the autopsy and confirmed the Warren report conclusion and confirmed no fakery of alterations. Lifton's argument is ludicrous because you can't alter a dead body with post-mortem surgery without leaving evidence that you altered the body. This has been used in modern murder cases. Read Bugliosi's book as well as Larry Sturdivan's book JFK Myths. He as a ballistic expert that was part of the HSCA panel.
Are you talking about the autopsy report he burned in his fire place or the won he wrote to replace it. Don't believe me. look it up.@@billkeon880
Blood and gore went in all directions, splattering everybody seated forward in the limo, as they all firmly testified.
@@aaronz7056 well, three things… first the difference between Z film frame 312 and 313 shows the vast majority of blood/brain went forward (as did his head move 1-2 inches forward). Second when water (or blood) is vaporized, it hangs in the air, as a great deal of it did, and as the car travelled forward, the trailing cops on bikes felt the spray, as some testified to, and as you would expect. Third, there was a headwind that day they were driving into (can Google check weather report that day) and that would amplify the rearward spray on trailing vehicles. But 313 clearly shows the direction of spray. Finally, the hard evidence (autopsy, ballistics etc) shows only one bullet hit the head and it was from the rear, and the single bullet was not magic at all. All the panels on the HSCA confirmed the Warren report conclusion, though with better and more modern accuracy. They also found no fakery or fraud in the autopsy, backyard photos etc etc etc
The Zapruder film shows his brains blowing forward pal. It show the exit clearly, the explosion of his skull...not in the back. Sorry.
Oliver even said when promoting the movie in first few weeks: he said, ‘I’m presenting a counter myth to the myth of the Warren Report’. He further explained that many of the films theories might be considered fiction, but so was the WR. He admitted his assertions have no proof and might be implausible, but the WR was so egregious (it actually wasn’t, it was pretty damn close), that he could make multiple, often contradictory claims.
a half an hour in now and I'm wondering how long it's going to be before Morgan mentions: "Oh, by the way, subsequent releases made possible by the JFK Act, which in turn was made possible by Stone's film, have proved that Clay Shaw was indeed working for the CIA.:" Probably never, huh. I hardly call that a case based on hearsay evidence. Morgan's obsession with Ferie's penchant for boys gets him a lot of mileage. I wonder if he's going mention Shaw penchant for homosexual S&M sex/torture...Well, I won't hold my breath.
Don’t Morgan is most likely a cia influencer/infiltrator
Shaw didn't work for the CIA, he merely passed info on to the Domestic Contact Service, like thousands of other American travellers, businessmen and journalists, and don't think Oliver Stone didn't know that.
wrong. Shaw's involve was making an overseas report in 1956. Thousands did it. It's like seeing an accident and talking to the cops about it. It doesn't make you a cop or on their payroll. There are two highly researched books on the Shaw trial - "possibly the worst case of jurisprudence in the 20th century". Garrison was psychotic. I think when his division liberated Dachau it messed him up. False Witness is the name of the book. Buries $80 million of Stone's movie...which I loved BTW
B.S. and I wonder how long before you mention your beloved Mr. Stone lies more than 80 times in the film, lets Kennedy's murderer off the hook, and obscenely paints a lot of innocent people as conspirators and traitors.
So you just bought into the untrue stories by Garrison and Stone and all their sheep and never bothered to fact-check?
The one thing I agree with green shirt guy on is Oswald being depicted as a bad/good shot. I never liked that argument. Even bad shots hit targets. Not saying he was a bad shot. it is just irrelevant.
Well, the Warren Commission set up a simulation, and had experts shoot, and they couldn't do it. That makes it kind of unlikely Oswald did it.
@@watermelonlalala Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds with several seconds between each shot, that's child's play.
Kennedy was a slow-moving target a maximum of 88 yards away.
Oswald scored 18 out of 20 in rapid fire at targets 200 yards away as per his Marines scorebook.
This would be the same Oswald who owned and smuggled the rifle, lied to police about his whereabouts, left his latent print on it, immediately fled the crime scene, shot a cop, was caught trying to shoot a second cop, refused to cooperate, and just shrugged a hollow, rambling reply when asked on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?"
@@aaronz7056 Ahahahah. I heard Oswald say, "No, I didn't shoot anybody." Quit making up lies.
@@watermelonlalala "Lies..." Asked point blank on live TV, "Did you shoot the President?" does Oswald:
a) recoil in shock and bug-eyed horror? No.
b) gasp, "What are you, nuts, of course not?!" No.
c) start singing like a canary? No.
d) promptly blow the conspiracy framing him, thus making himself untouchable? No.
e) beg protection for his family from the sinister conspirators sacrificing him? No.
f) scarcely bat an eyelid and start warbling away as though he's trying to dodge the question? Yes.
Never mind that plenty of actual evidence points straight at him, or that Mr. "No, I didn't shoot anybody" was just caught red-handed trying to shoot a cop in the theater, but why bring that up?
@@aaronz7056 Here is another lie of yours - Oswald didn't immediately leave the scene of the crime. He left the place where he worked after a cop pulled a gun on him. Please spare me the rest of your foolishness. It's not 1964. All the questions have already been asked. But one thing we do know is how Oswald denied all charges, on camera, and he said he was a patsy.
This guy talks in circles and I think just likes to hear himself talk. One book I can recommend that shows how off-base someone like Morgan is with his circular arguments and omission of relevant facts, is Dr. Jeffrey Caufield's "General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy." (2015) there's a lot about Guy Banister and Ferrie in it. Especially about Banister's ties to government agencies and bodies (both federal and STATE.)
No he tells the truth. There is no evidence to any of this garbage, Oliver Stone and other conspiracy capitalists have spewed over the decades. If there is no evidence, the government must be lying doesnt hold water in a world of facts.
read Bugliosi, Sturdivan, Patricia Lambert, Pricilla McMillan. Read some counter arguments otherwise you don't know if you are sitting in a confirmation bias bubble, like I did for 30 years
@@billkeon880 Bugliosi was a good friend of David Attlee Phillips of the CIA and Mcmillan was a CIA asset. i'm sorry that you failed to be convinced by the Parkland doctors of the photo and x-ray forgeries as well as the back exit wound that they all saw - you rather dismiss what honest people had to say and believe the untruths espoused by a lawyer like Bugliosi?
@@billkeon880Government shill much?
If Oswald supposedly shot at Walker who was in a stationary position by his kitchen sink and missed, how in the hell did he supposedly shoot JFK who was in a moving car? Most people might not realize that the FBI got to the Zapruder 8 MM film & edited it because that Limo almost stopped. The original rifle found on the 6th floor was a German Mauser, as no real assassin would have used a Carcanno.
The Italians call the Carcarno the Humanitarian gun because you can't kill anyone with it.
No, they don’t. And you messed up the quote.
Conspiracy theorists claim it was known as the gun that never hurt anyone on purpose.
Does marty have footage on his yt channel of his shooting "prowess" on a moving target?
The moving target wasn't going left to right, it was moving slowly and directly away on a slight decline; it was like a stationary target. It's important to know details like that; like it's important to know the seat positions of Kennedy and Connally and Connally's position of turning to the right when they were both hit by Oswald's 2nd shot.
I ask again. His word alone carries no weight
Your question isn't even worth responding too anyway.
Exactly. It's youtube. It's a mass opinion pool, the vast majority of whom have never met and never will. Take the click/like/subscribe money incentive away and 90% of the content disappears. There are more worthy distractions for us all.
Look at Willis photo #5 and you see a string from Zapruder's lens goes under the Stemmons sign and connects in the clear with JFK's head. In other words, from Zapruder's point of view JFK passed under the sign and the camera captured him being shot in the shoulder at Z206 and the throat at Z220. Also left to right notice the sign from Zapruder's pedestal position only covers up about a quarter of the limousine. Yet around Z204-205 the Stemmons sign is magnified and cut and pasted so huge it covers up 99% of the sign.
At Z220 the upper right corner of the Stemmons sign has a flat spot due to hurried cutting and pasting, but the frames before and after have nice rounded patiently cut sign corers that were prepared perfectly as they were being cut and before they were pasted. From Z206=shoulder to Z220=throat is only 14 frames = 0.77 seconds. To duplicate Oswald, a person would have to get two shots off and hit the targets in only 0.77 seconds.
Nobody can do that, which proves again another shooter. And the shoulder shot at Z206 was from the rear while the throat shot at Z220 was from the front. Again, more than one shooter as proven backwards and forwards by the bungling idiots who tried to fake Zapruder to tell lies, but didn't cover up adequately what they were lying about.
What a crock .
This guest is so uninformed and has not done his research.
Where should he do his research, at crackpot conspiracy sites or in Jim Garrison's lie-packed book?
Aaron Zapruder still hasn't shaken his case of congenital brain worms.
@@aaronz7056 You are a fool, aren't you?
@@aaronz7056 Take your Thorazine, aaonnz70561
@@aaronz7056 Medication, my son, have you taken your meds tonight?
Forgot to mention, a huge point missed here!!!!!!! They didn’t mention the back wound in the president entered at the T3 and exited in the throat near the neck tie. This is a upward trajectory. Not possible to shoot someone in the back from the 6th floor which exits higher in the front of JFK then it entered and then hits Connally at a downward trajectory!!! This is my major issue with the WR.
Wrong, if you sit the way JFK was seated with his arm stretched over the quarte rpanel, it stretches out his muscle and it makes total sense and is and has been reproduced. Typical conspiracy line. Ignore the ton of evidence and focus on the tiny undiscussed detail. I know this case inside and out. The trajectory is consistently downward. Its amazing to me how people think there ar epower groups shaping all world events. Thes epeople couldnt get alomng for 5 minutes let alone shift history while having no infighting. People like you are emotionally invested and NOTHING and I mean NOTHING would chnage your mind. I used to be like that. Its why the world is the way it is. The major events in the world are caused by ego and mistakes. Not careful planning. Leaders overpl,aying their hands or blackmail and of course random chance events. Bet you think Diana was murdered too, probably Patton also.
Cyrrl Wehct states this neck wound was at an 11.5 degree upward trajectory
The shoulder wound was at Z206 and only penetrated 1.25 inches. It fell out on the x-ray exam table of Jerrol Custer at Bethesda. Never went anywhere near Connally or JFK's neck or throat. The throat wound was from the southern grassy knoll at Z220 and was supposed to hit JFK in the head to conclude the assassination. Its bungling low necessitated Umbrella Man to signal for more shots and make a big mess of things.@@code3responsevideos872
and if the angle of the shot is downward and Kennedy is leaning forward in the limo, if you trace the bullet and put the body in a vertical standing position, it will appear as a level or even upward trajectory. Think about it. The HSCA confirmed the conclusions of the Warren report including the autopsy, also finding no fraud or fakery. Hard evidence convicts Oswald
even if Oswald is 100% guilty, the WARREN OMISSION were a bunch of stiffs who did a disservice to their nation. they told people what answers they (and LBJ) wanted to hear, to their questions.
Dr Wecht,Oliver Stone,Ron Unz, Laurent Guyenot, Dieugenio, anybody from the New JFK show especially Fetzer , the Death around the corner guy , The JFK the unspeakable and Why author are all people that would completely drag this fool in a debate, which is why he has to get served softballs by somebody thats in cahoots with him like hes doing here
Cyril Wecht:
- lies about the condition of the stretcher bullet
- stages recreations of the assassination using two actors seated bolt upright, facing forward, which he knows is a lie
- firmly testified through the 1970's the evidence pointed at the shots coming from behind before he started cashing in as a conspiracy theorist
- solemnly guided viewers step by step through the video "Alien Autopsy..."
Oliver Stone: tells more than 80 (!) relevant and demonstrable lies in his JFK movie...
Morgan couldn’t debate with such a weak & erroneous grip on basic facts that are not in dispute. DiEugenio would take apart his entire “theory”. Glad he “really enjoyed” the movie though.
@@aaronz7056 hahaha hahaha hahaha
Found the ashkenazi
@@paulsansonetti7410 Now you will of course explain what I have said that is inaccurate, yes?
This guy probably thinks the border crisis is by accident along with covid
No he thinks those are anti gay situation. What a government agent, serves his masters well.
Probably.
@@natewatt3537 He's talking about reality and you two are clueless
@@richardjohnson4373 He's talking about reality and you two are clueless
Yep. He's quite delusional on some levels.
The fact that it also talked about how the guys with scrambled egg on their chest. Couldn't stand the fact that Kennedy did not want to go into Vietnam. So the powers that be had him taken out
That too, but mostly because he wanted to dismantle the central bank and put us back on the gold standard.
Hes taken the shot alot of times huh Were you elevated to 60 ft aiming at a dinner plate moving 11mph away from you while using the Carcano ?
It took me just 10 minutes to realize these guys are full of it and know nothing about the JFK assassination! The characters in that movie were real, Perry Russo, Guy Bannister, David Ferri, and Clay Shaw! The movie was based on Jim Garrison's book, the movie was way more fact than fiction.
Movie tells more than 80 demonstrable and highly relevant lies.
Garrison was a kook and he lies his own ass off in that book of his as well.
@@aaronz7056 Bite Me!
@@aaronz7056 You are the master deceptor!
@@tonya6107 Do I really have to list all of their lies one by one, because I'm capable of it..
@@aaronz7056 No, I'm sure you can! I was given the heads-up about you by someone on another JFK assassination post.
What was Oswald's association with the CIA? Answer: It was extensive going back to Japan. "Me and Lee" "Dr Mary's Monkey".
Ms. Baker is a lying grifter who could never prove she was Oswald's "mistress" and never explained away the evidence for his guilt.
Oswald was part of a Twins Project since he was seven years old. Read up on CIA paymaster Wilcott in Japan, who paid under code names into the Oswald Project. He was dangled to the KGB in hopes they would check out his credentials inside the CIA. The Soviet mole looking for Oswald information inside the CIA would smoke himself out and be revealed. But the KGB was too smart to take the bait, plus they could tell Oswald was a witless fool. So, having demonstrated his incompetence Oswald was brought back to the U.S. to be used for throwaway cannon fodder.
Yes. Good book, by the way.
just because Oswald was a low level fuctionary at a military base, doesn't mean he was CIA. All people who had his job required security clearance. That doesn't make him CIA.
To answer the repeated "why" questions that "make no sense" to this speaker, LBJ had the most to lose with Kennedys staying in power and the most to gain eliminating Kennedy. In addition to making several quasi-admissions, LBJ's business partner was being prosecuted by Bobby Kennedy the week after the assassination. It was already public knowledge that Kennedy was not keeping LBJ on the next presidential ticket. It is also widely known LBJ blackmailed his way onto the ticket with compromising photos of JFK and his mistresses. The speaker criticizes Ferry and Oswald of being narcissistic, but LBJ was the real psycho and narcissist. Police did not find Oswald's fingerprints in the sixth flloor, but did find Mac Wallace's (LBJ's hired gun that LBJ got out of jail after six years on a first degree murder conviction). This speaker is biased and dumb. His so called knowledge and condescending attitude. There are literally hundreds of pieces of evidence that contradict the Warren Report. Even the federal government changed its official position now concluding there was a probability of a conspiracy to assassinate JFK in the 1979 House Select committee on Assassinations. The government investigation in the 1990s details the numerous acts of foul play and destruction of evidence. Why did FBI Director Hoover fly into Dallas to meet with LBJ on the eve of the assassination? Why was former CIA Director Dulles who JFK fired two years before monitoring the assassination from a CIA safehouse known as the Farm? Why was Dulles at the Farm the same day the head of CIA assassinations flew into Dallas a couple weeks before the assassination? Why did the CIA lie to the public about their relationship and knowledge of Oswald? Why is CIA still covering up over 1,400 classified documents in spite of a 1992 federal law ordering they be declassified and released to the public by 2017? There are many nore questions, but let this arrogant dummy answer chomp on these.
please read Bugliosi's book Reclaiming History. It will answer all your questions in your post. The HSCA only came to that faulty conclusion due to the 11th hour inclusion of the audio 'evidence' (which was debunked a few years later. The HSCA was ready to conclude all the Warren report conclusions, though by using more modern methods available in the late 1970's. They confirmed no fakery in any of the autopsy, ballistics, Oswald's backyard photos etc etc etc. Do you own a copy of the HSCA report? Please read. I believed in conspiracy for 30 years, owned and read over 25 conspiracy books, owned Stone's film, the Men Who Killed Kennedy documentary (expanded edition) etc. But I never once read anything outside my conspiracy bias bubble. Do yourself a favour. If you sped hunders upon undreds of hours in the pro-conspiracy bubble, then you own it to yourself to spend a few dozen on the counter case,...if you truely seek the truth.
You seem unaware the HSCA was all set to conclude Oswald acted alone until those acoustics experts came forward with their dictabelt recording, which was subsequently discovered to be erroneous and invalid, debunked more than 40 years ago. The rest of your post is packed with lies.
Who debunked it? Exactly, the same government involved in the coverup. Their debunking was debunked because otherwise the HSCA would have changed its conclusions. 126 people tied to the assassination with inculpatory information about the government conspiracies and died or committed suicide. Several died right after being subpoenaed by the HSCA. This dork speaker says coincidences, but that is counter-factual. An actuary calculates the increase in risk of early death was huge. 126 coincidences lol. You still have yet to identify any evidence tying Oswald to either murder.
How similar were the attempted assassinations in other cities?
Agreed! The blind looking green shirt guy is an absolute clown! He's just bitter because most people don't accept his lifestyle. 😂😂
Guy Bannister was a VERY high-up FBI guy, not just some foot-soldier.
He was head of the FBI Chicago office for years.
Was? He was a PI in the period.
How high up?
Bannister was in on the plot!
He was very very high up
like 'super duper high"? and he's slumming in New Orleans and banging his secretary?@@stargroves14
fantastic interview it reminds me of good ole art bell interviews (sans conspiracies)
The bit about going against Homosexuality wasn't just to do with the film but how most people felt back then. I mean the guy that cracked the enigma code was chemical castrated even though he was a hero JUST for liking men.
I think of all the theories the homosexual thrill cult that Garrison pitched in some magazine is my favorite. Sure, a fourteen year old Oswald couldn't be a CIA operative, but he could be having sex with homosexuals or other New Orleans weirdos.
Excellent comment. Alan Turing was one of the heroes in the defeat of fascism through his work at Bletchley Park in WWII.
Don't forget Ruth Paine was a lesbian, writing love letters to Marina Oswald. And when the cops searched Paine's garage they found lesbian movies plus a projector. Ruth Paine insisted the police had to give back her lesbian movies..@@hermanhale9258
@@williamfields4534 Fascism was there to fight communism.
I think he invented the computer too, or his ideas did.
This man sounds like daddy told him to believe all his Gov tells him- hilarious
An ironic statement since Stone's movie tells more than 80 demonstrable lies.
Exactly! He's such a coward. Just like the clown commenting above me.
Lol. Oliver lied his ass off but you call this guy gullible.
Morgan mentions Said (but can't remember his first name) which is another way of saying look how educated I am. He needs to read more about this case and less Said.
If if wasn't a conspiracy, it sure doesn't speak well for the Secret Service!
What are they supposed to do?
Lots of people hated Kennedy in Dallas. Most were from the right but Oswald was from the left. JFK himself commented on his and his teams nervousness going into Dallas. He made a comment about how it wouldn’t be difficult to kill a president in a motorcade like that
The Secret Service was in on it, drinking to the wee hours of the morning, against SS protocol, they had 2 unarmed firemen guarding JFK and Jackie the night of the 21st. Emory Roberts can be seen calling off an honest agent as they get in the motorcade and start moving. He raised his hands in the air three times, like what the F**K!
@@tom-id1nzthey got drunk doesn’t equal they were in on it.
But people will take anything into their theory
How many comments in these replies have disappeared?
People are relying to comments that no longer exist haha
@@vhufeosqap It just shows their motives are to deceive, not to be honest. Ha ha.
Excellent informative program. What a lot of theories don't do is consider the alternative. If Oswald was not the main shooter but was set up as a patsy, he could not have known that at the time. He would have assumed that he had shot alone. If he was completely innocent and was in fact in the kitchen on the second floor with witnesses, why did he waist an opportunity of a lifetime to grandstand to the press as a witness. On a day that so many people remember what they were doing Oswald leaves the scene without waiting for the roll call and ends up in a picture theatre. At the very least it appears as quilt.
i personally never thought Oswald was quilty. but this guy here seems like a very quilty cat. patchwork quilty no less!
Oswald thought he was helping the CIA do a sham assassination, like the one practiced on Gen. Walker for his training purposes. By scaring JFK with harmless bullets past his head (like Walker) JFK was supposedly going to be enraged into attacking Cuba. By pretending to be a fake Castro commie Oswald would be the big hero inside the CIA as the genius whose acting job got JFK to do the Bay of Pigs right. He thought. He had already been trained to do false flag exercises at the School of Illusionary Warfare near Nag's Head, N.C. in 1957 alongside Roscoe White.
He also thought that at the Texas Theater he would be meeting his CIA driver who would take him to the Dallas Red Bird Airport, where he would be flown off to CIA veteran Valhalla and permanent adulation. He thought. That's why he had a torn half of a dollar bill in his wallet to recognize his driver, and another one for recognizing his pilot. That's why he kept changing seats in the theater and looking like a pandering freak. He was trying to meet up with his driver, as he had already met up with operatives in theaters when he was bungling his assignments in Minsk and showing his CIA handlers he was useful only as cannon fodder.
Don't you know when to be guiet? Your protests are guite disturbing.@@circussounds855
Oswald left because he was instructed to do so. Duh!
Oswald never fired a single shot. Parriffin tests proved that. He had absolutely no gunpowder on his hands, arms or his face. Standard police work was actually conducted. U can't fake the parriffin test
This "so called" historian needs to recheck the facts.
He is way off base and very insulting in his delivery.
David Farie was in a New Orleans Courthouse at the time of the assassination. But he could have been on the Grassy Knoll hocking paraphernalia from the assassination that was coming up just around the corner on Elm Street Nightmare.
People can’t explain away the truth, and the rifle and the shots, and the witnesses who saw the rifle and heard the shots fired 😮
Contemporary movie audiences today don't bring much in the way of intelligence
'Oppenheimer' is my rebuttal to you. Movie makers don't have the intelligence to produce compelling movies.
Lol - rebuttal. You're in this by yourself. Rebuttal all you want. Yawn.
any lack of excitement(explosions & such) is sort of made up for, by the overkill w/ ..."back, and to the left".. .the Z film not only is shown repeatedly, but the kill shot is enlarged, and (besides being on a large movie screen) Stone isn't shy about that historic, tough to watch, scene.
Mr. Zapruder unintentionally made the most famous snuff film in history. In one sense it is a blessing that he didn't live long enough to see his film exploited in a way that would have disgusted him.
But it contradicts his whole theory, because you see the exit clearly to the front side of head...not the back.
Gerald Ford hated JFK and even challenged Oliver Stone to a debate on it
I think the time was ripe for more 'conspiracy theories' in the early '90's. I remember seeing it at the theater, thinking "half these people weren't born when it happened, they'll believe anything". but, the man is right. Stone knew how to play on our fears of conspiracies, and the cinematography was so damn good, I found myself confusing some new B&W scenes w/ old ones. a well made film, which blows away 'Executive action', which was pretty good, but failed miserably at capturing the era, unlike 'JFK'.
Jfk was fun to watch and almost pure fiction.
You mean the WC report was pure fiction.
Pure fiction, my ass! You are delusional.
there's probably some good info in here that would make a case challenging theories but unfortunately the guest speaker is more passionate about criticizing Oliver Stone and his movie making methods than communicating to the viewer what inconsistancies there are between actual evidence and known facts vs. the movie.
“You can’t say Dallas doesn’t love you” was said by MRS Conmaly, not the governor. How do you explain that the governor always said he and Kennedy were NOT shot by the same shot?
How would Connally know whether he was hit by the same bullet as JFK?
This woke “historian” is butt hurt about how homosexuality is portrayed? Geez get over it
Exactly!! 😂😂😂
And you are offended at his offense.
How not compelling
@@vhufeosqap what does this even mean? 🤡
@@sonofhawaii4227 literally don’t know what I’m saying? Or just had to type a reply so you could use the clown emoji
Anyone who looks into what Garrison did will know this guy is full of it and trying to mislead
Pretty darn accurate. The timing is revealing. Several of these kinds of videos have emerged since RFK Jr decided to run for president. I saw one the other day. JFK was responsible for Vietnam.
JFK was getting us out of Vietnam! Boy, are people ignorant of the facts? Eisenhower had advisers already in Vietnam when JFK took office!
Even when I was a conspiracy theorist, I always had this nagging problem of why, if the plan was to make Oswald the lone shooter patsy, would you risk using three snipers who could miss and hit others, proving a conspiracy?
30 or 40 years ago, I might have been gullible enough to believe this so called “historian.”
for a PhD historian's view search youtube for Sean Munger 'Oswald Alone'.
I was watching the news with my Dad when Ruby shot Oswald. He was in shock and immediately said LBJ killed Kennedy. This may not have been completely accurate however he knew as soon as Oswald was shot that it was a conspiracy.
He sees Ruby shoot Oswald and he immediately goes to, "LBJ killed Kennedy"? I don't buy it for a second.
@@peterfraser9070 Because you don't understand the times. You being a child, nobody would expect you to.
Most at the time didn't even NEED Oswald being shot to know what happened.
@@mikeh8416 57's not a child, but anyway that's just baloney
@@peterfraser9070 It is when you consider it happened BEFORE you were born. I remember watching the LIVE news reports when it happened. I ALSO remember all the comments on how long JFK was going to live after announcing his plan to dismantle the Federal Reserves ability to charge the government INTEREST on loans. That meant that the BANKERS wouldn't make a profit loaning the government ITS OWN MONEY.
One thing you DON'T DO is piss off the Rockefellers!!
Well, what did whole commissions, police, FBI, etc., know compared with him, I guess?
Nothing is accurate in the movie. The comical part is how he tries to get diametrically competing theories all in the same movie. lol
Oswald never rented an office in New Orleans. Just used the address, easy to do.
Oswald was in the building when the Cubans were running guns right across the street from the FBI, Secret Service, and CIA. Come on man, how much proof do you need to know they were complicit in the murder of JFK, RFK & JFK Jr. I have a documentary about how they killed JFK Jr. if you're a doubter.
Where did this guy get all his evidence? The Warren Commission? 😂
no, I can provide many sources if you ask. I also suggest a PhD historians two volume youtube called Oswald Alone by Sean Munger PhD
everyone else does. 566 interviews.
Have you even read the WR cover to cover? How about the HSCA? The whole thing! Then read the ‘national Academy of Sciences’ debunking of the dictabelt recording. Then read the 3 other independent investigations on the assassination. Five independent investigations all with the same conclusion. Read Howard Willen’s book History Will Prove Us Right about how the Warren Commision worked and how it would be impossible to create a fraudulent report. Read Patricia Lambert’s book False Witness which destroyed the Garrison case and Oliver Stone’s movie. Read Vincent Bugliosi’s book Reclaiming History. Then come back and we can have a discussion.
Guy Bannister the office connection with Bannister & Oswald. The stamp on the FPFC pamphlets. And Delphine Roberts (Bannister’s) Secretary said Oswald was in Bannister’s office all the time.
Do we know how worthwhile this Delphine Roberts claim is?
@@peterfraser9070 The truth is invaluable.
The truth is invaluable, so people should be a lot more careful about where their info is coming from and whether it's true or not; like "Delphine Roberts (Bannister’s) Secretary said Oswald was in Bannister’s office all the time." The ct books are gonna deliver juicy reading because they want to sell copies and have lots of competition - they don't care for a second if it's true.
Don’t forget that Shaw (as Bertrand) asked attorney Dean Andrews (the John Candy character) to go from New Orleans to Dallas to defend Oswald. The “JFK” movie used Mr. X to represent Fletcher Prouty and 2 other persons. It’s a time-worn vehicle to manage the limited time available in a movie. It seems this “historian” who’s also apparently a psychiatrist and expert marksman prefers more Hollywood action in his favorite movies!
When Oswald was arrested at the theater his wallet contained a $200 pay stub from the FBI, where he was working as an informant. JFK had negotiated with Khrushchev that to end the Cuban missile crisis, part of it was JFK would close down the CIA Cuban exile training camps that were there for training Cuban infiltration invaders and guerillas. Oswald's job was to infiltrate and spy on Clay Shaw, Guy Bannister, and David Ferrie as they were supports for the Cuban exile training camps. They noticed that any time Oswald visited one of the camps there would be an FBI raid or a U.S. Marshal's raid (RFK's boys) shortly thereafter. That double-cross to the CIA from Oswald is a big reason why he was selected for Special High Intensity Training in the JFK hit project.
I want to believe Oswald acted alone but the fact that he lived in Moscow, was let back into the US/USSR let him go, went to Mexico City means someone/something was funding his activities.
"I think he's a nut!"
- Barney Phiff
The guy in green shirt is wrong
Is this a joke?
I qualified Expert in the Army and have been shooting for 40 years and owned a Carcano carbine . That particular rifle is a POS . I don't believe anyone will hit a moving target 3 times at 100 yards with that rifle in 5 seconds . You can rack the bolt 5 times unloaded but to aim ,fire , rack (with a real round) resight yourself on a moving target etc,....you would need the luck of the Irish and a blessing from the Pope , not gonna happen . The select committee concluded 2 or more shooters but never speculated who may have done it . Since this interview was done , the Secret service agent for Jackie (still living ) admitted in a interview (2023) that he pulled the "magic bullet" from the back rear seat because nobody was watching the car at the hospital . , proving at least one shot from the front missed
There are plenty of videos on UA-cam of shooters operating the Carcano rifle. You should check them out.
Oswald didn't hit a moving target 3 times at 100 yards in 5 seconds, he hit a target moving slowly away from him in virtually a straight line on a 3 degree down slope 2 out of 3 times in about 8.3 seconds at a maximum of 88 yards.
JFK was shot three times in the rear and three times in the front. Z206 right shoulder from the rear high at downward angle of 30-40 degrees, Z220 throat from the front left, Z250 near the external occipital protuberance from the rear at a near horizontal angle, Z286 over right eye at hairline from front right, Z313 from left rear and Z342/343 from front right. It doesn't matter whether all shots were made over a tenth of a second or an entire minute, there were shots from five different directions or more so there was a minimum of five shooters that scored hits. Most of the shots were fired from rifles with silencers.
Where were your extra shooters located in Dealey Plaza? Who were they? Did they hit anything at all? Al Carone was at Love Field but didn't have a clear shot that would avoid innocent bystanders, so he didn't shoot (so says Franks Sturgis and Jim Rothstein and Carone's daughter). Morgan Brown was at the Cabana Hotel rooming with Eugene Hale Brading, but not needed after all since Dealey Plaza took care of JFK. Ft. Worth was before Dealey Plaza and from there JFK would have gone on to Austin. So how does Ft. Worth back up anything unless there is plenty of notice? Who was the crew in Ft. Worth, where were they waiting, and where were they supposed to attack?@Top500Songs-zo1ff
No no no, 20 assassins. 10 with guns and 10 with knives. Had the shooters missed the knives were gonna come out.
I and they were all double agents from the ussr to the cia…. And they’re Cubans tied to the mob
@@vhufeosqap Disturbed individual, to you, it's an f-ing joke! Your day will come.
Waste of time. So much he ignores.
what you say that he ignores is suspicion, conjecture and eyewitness testimony, which is notoriously unreliable (check the modern psych reaearch) and is not relied on in criminal cases anymore. Hard evidence shows Oswald alone.
Morgan doesn't seem to be aware that 11 witnesses saw Oswald and Banister together on multiple occasions during that one summer. This you call coincidence?
B.S. and what's that got to do with the evidence for Oswald's guilt anyway?
@@aaronz7056 Bannister was clearly connected to Intelligence. You gonna deny that?
@@allenward758 What I'm not "gonna" deny is that all credible evidence in this case points at Oswald doing this on his own.
All factual evidence points out to Oswald being in the second floor break room (Caroline Arnold, Jeraldean Reid, Vicky Adams, Sandra Styles, their boss, Roy Truly, and Marrion Baker) and not on the sixth floor when JFK was shot.
All factual evidence points to JFK being hit by 6 bullets from 5 snipers from 5 directions. Not the con job of Aaron Zapruder and fairy tales about some imaginary lone gunman. Details I will post near here.@@aaronz7056
Now we know more, it turns out there were 6 shots hitting JFK from 5 different directions. JFK received 4 head shots. Chauncey Holt made up multiple silencer rifles at the CIA gun specialty shop in Goleta, California and brought them to Dealey Plaza Nov. 22, 1963 along with counterfeit Secret Service credentials. Over 30 shots were fired at JFK, mostly from silencer rifles. The 3 audible shots in Dealey Plaza were added just for dramatic effect-- to get those easily deceived to look in the wrong direction.
Z155- Commence fire shot from roof of Central Records Building into the street. Pyrotechnic multicolored sparks to prove to sniping teams, even without walkie-talkies, that the assassination is a go. Unlike Nov. 2 plot in Chicago cancelled at the last minute over Thomas Arthur Vallee and tip from informant "Lee." Pavement hit seen by motorcycle cop Stavis Ellis and by civilians at the intersection of Houston x Elm. To cover up the little dust cloud, Z155 was cut and pasted so bungled you can laugh at the huge front tire on the yellow car that isn't in prior or subsequent frames. You can also laugh at how the yellow car floats a foot off the pavement. When Zapruder was rigged over the weekend in Nov. 1963, they had no clue ordinary people could dissect the cinematographic fraud on their kitchen tables with computers in 2023.
Z206 -JFK hit in right shoulder from several stories high at downward 45 degree angle. Shallow bullet that came out on Jerrold Custer's x-ray exam table. It was done to be irritating, like a Saudi executioner with a sword tip to a convict's shoulder, to cause a reflex raising up of the head for the final decapitation stroke. Ammo by Chauncey Holt out of the CIA gun specialty shop in Goleta, Calif. In this case, it was a set up for the intended fatal head shot at Z220, which bungled into a throat shot. Compared to the true size of the Stemmons sign seen in Willis #5, the Stemmons sign in Zapruder is faked to be huge. The purpose was to cover up JFK being shot. Also, if you look at Zapruder's lens in Willis #5 you can see his camera saw under the sign and had a perfect view of JFK and the limo. But even though the sign in Willis from Zapruder's view was left to right only about a third/fourth the length of the limo, Zapruder's Stemmons sign is faked to cover up the entire limo almost at Z204. So since JFK went behind the sign uninjured we can be pretty sure he was shot in the shoulder at Z206, when per Zellerman at WCR 2:73 he exclaimed, "My God, I am hit." So we know his throat shot came later. The position of JFK's arms at Z222 indicates the throat shot came about Z220.
Z220- JFK hit in throat from southern grassy knoll, to JFK's front left. Uphill shot parallel to ground, so relatively horizontal angle of attack. Silencer shot heard by Tosh Plumlee (he was that close) and Plumlee even smelled the gunpowder. Shot was intended for the head, and to finish off JFK, but it bungled into the windshield then the throat. Umbrella Man nearby to signal for more shots if needed, as happened. Had it killed JFK, the wound could have been dummied into a "rear shot" inside Parkland by John Liggett and a deceived Earl Rose would have agreed.
Z250- JFK hit near external occipital protuberance, bullet ended up between vomer bone and right eye socket, still inside skull. Instant unconsciousness, ergo JFK's hands and arms start falling from chin at Z251, 252, 253....until torso slumps forward and to the left. The timing of this shot is precise at Z250 because JFK's hands start their collapse at Z251 once JFK is no longer feeling any pain. Entrance wound seen inside Trauma Room One on Nov. 22 by Robert Grossman. Part of this entrance wound rediscovered along the edge of the Harper Fragment (photo format) by David Mantik in recent years, with a little smudge of what has to be lead scraped off from the passing bullet. This shot was nearly horizontal with only a little elevation, so it was probably from the second floor of Dal-Tex out of the Dallas Uranium and Oil Company window. This was a CIA front office. The spotter and radio man for this sniper was likely Eugene Hale Brading = Ed Braden, who was also at the RFK assassination in Los Angeles. In Dallas Nov. 22 Braden was caught with phony Secret Service Supervisor credentials but not recognized to be phony in time to arrest him.
Z286- JFK shot above right eye at hairline from the storm sewer drain opening 10 feet downhill from the concrete steps of the northern grassy knoll. 7-8mm hole seen by Tom Robinson, Quentin Schwinn, Paul O'Connor, and Charles Crenshaw. Bullet track full of mercury dum-dum globules and exit out at top of JFK's occipital bone. Exit hole visible if you get a good copy of Mary Moorman photo. Exit = 2 inch stubby crescent at JFK's cowlick area. Bottom of exit wound shows irregular white line, which is remnants of JFK's skull bone material thickness as just blasted open a few moments previously. Mary Moorman photo = Zapruder Z316 as can be discerned from position of Bobby Hargis's plexiglass windscreen. Z313 has happened, but JFK doesn't have a big hole in the back of his head yet. Back to Zapruder at Z286= piece of JFK skull and hair above middle of Babushka Lady's shadow, and tenuous brain mist between there and JFK's head like Z314 passim. The piece of JFK's head sent flying above the Babushka Lady's shadow puts this shot at precisely Z286. This shot was most likely made by Jack Lawrence, a habitue of the Carousel Club. Conspirator Sergio Arcacha Smith was found to have blueprints for the Dealey Plaza storm sewer drainage system in his apartment. Jim Marrs found a girl whose mother and companions witnessed a sniper shooting out of the storm drain at JFK. In the 1980's a patch of grass near the storm drain caved in. Turns out somebody had removed a 2x4 foot section of drain pipe going down the grassy knoll to the drain, but not welded it back in place. So it rusted away after about twenty years to reveal where somebody had evidently stashed a rifle case overnight.
Z313- Massive shot from rear, with exploding dum-dum bullet = mercuric fulminate or lead azide. Precision of timing to frame Z313 extraordinarily obvious. Likely from roof of Records Building south of Dal-Tex across Elm Street. Hit at right occipitoparietal area. Exploded out right temple as a flap, like door to a breadbox. Opened at top, hinged at bottom. When first opened at maximum pressure, that's when JFK's brains and blood spewed upward as seen on Zapruder although Zapruder censors out 2/3 of the gore as we know from Dino Brugioni in Altered History by Douglas Horne. As the flap opened fully, Bill Newman thought he saw JFK's ear shot off. He could see a hole and a cavity "big enough to place a baseball in there." The left side of JFK's head was soon down and the open flap on the right side was up. The hollowed out (upper) right cranium accumulated about a pint of blood in the next few seconds under the residual anatomical debris. (see suicide of Pennsylvania Treasurer Bud Dwyer, done live on TV, with a .357 Magnum. The JFK rifle bullet was an order of magnitude worse). See also the Robert Schorlemer interview by Vince Palamara. Schorlemer and Carrico were the first medical personnel to tend to JFK at Parkland.
Z343- Shot from northern grassy knoll area hit JFK at right temple. 5mm wound seen by Tom Robinson (again), Dennis David, and Robert McClelland. Hit between right ear and right eye at the hairline. When it exploded it shredded the right temple even worse and blew out the back of JFK's head with a 4x4 inch exit and a fountain of bloody brains and gore. That obliterated the entrance of the Z313 shot. The last two explosive shots were precise overlapping trick shots, so two shots could appear to be one bullet, one rifle, and one shooter when in reality there were two of each to confuse people. Likely shot from passenger train window seen in the James Darnell film above grassy knoll and censored from stills taken by Linda Willis's dad. The two figures in Z475 would be distractors with pull-string party favors to create confusing smoke and noise. They are at the fence line a little to the right of the yellow tree leaves. The back of JFK's head looks intact in Z342, but there is a gouge there in front of Jackie's white glove by Z343 when she starts screaming, so the timing of this shot can be discerned with very good precision thanks to sharp eyes from Jim Fetzer's crew.
Once JFK got to Bethesda, Humes had a problem. Z250 entrance, Z286 entrance, Z286 exit, Z343 entrance, and explosive blaster holes = 6 holes to be explained by one allotted bullet. So downstairs at Bethesda Humes scooted everyone out of the morgue and got to work with something like a pliers. He enlarged the 4x4 hole [a couple dozen saw it at Parkland, as a fist-sized hole], into what Paul O'Connor described as a two-fist hole at Bethesda. Humes sawing and cracking JFK's skull was seen by Tom Robinson and Ed Reed. There WAS a shot from behind, and there WAS a shot from the front. Those were the obvious dum-dum explosive biggies. And then there was Z250 from behind before that to a dead-end, and Z286 from the front out the back.
The conspiracy to set up JFK and set up Oswald and kill them both (along with Tippit as the excuse to divert police to Oak Cliff for next a big-deal unpaid movie ticket) was also a conspiracy to have Humes on standby to dummy up the autopsy evidence. It's just that in recent years new information has come out, so now we know better. Had the throat shot hit JFK in the head and finished him off, all the other shots would not have been needed and would presumably not have been signalled for by Umbrella Man. The designers hoped for a small caliber 2-3 shot assassination. >>> final paragraph in comments >>>
It's my favorite movie. I've seen it a million times. I agree with you that the actors are great, but in my opinion you are underestimating Kevin Costner. He was THE man for the role. No one would have been so good. I will also mention Jim Garrison who was great as Earl Warren.
Acne equals no conspiracy 😂
Three well aim shots, interesting since the first one missed the car completely
He's another moronic Warren Commission flunky. Victor Marchetti said Shaw was with the Agency.
taken with limo under the traffic light, so either deflected by the light stand, no box to support the rifle or buck-fever. He got more relaxed and accurate with practise. That makes a lot of sense too.
A local television news team in Texas in very early1990s actually found the ‘over the road’ light pole with a bullet nick in it…. This was the shattered first-shot bullet that fragmented and wounded the bystander at the railroad underpass… That news segment should be put on UA-cam!
@@billkeon880Yes. Shooting down at a steep angle would be harder than aiming on a flatter trajectory.
Also, hitting the light stanchion by mistake could easily happen if the shooter was sighting through the scope. There is not much peripheral awareness with a scope compared to open sights.
It has been proven time and time again that It is IMPOSIBLE to fire three shots within 5.6 seconds with a Manlicher - Carcano rifle! The Itallians laughed at the weapon, calling It not so much a weapon of war, as a weapon of love.
It was two shots in 8.3 seconds, which is very easy. The fatal head shot itself was also easy for Oswald.
Max Holland's analysis of the Z film concludes that there were about 11 seconds from the first to the third shot.
@@johngeren1053 Yes, it could have been that long. Determining when the first shot happened is the difficult part.
Any idiot just watching the victims' reactions in Zapruder's film will clearly see they demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds, with several seconds between shots. Oswald bought his Carcano long before Kennedy's Texas trip was even thought of and every bullet and fragment ever found were matched to it.
I live in Mobile, and we are basically a twin city of New Orleans. I agree about the downtown area, especially in the 60's. Everything downtown was adjacent to each other. It just wasn't very big.
What about A Rush to Judgement by Mark Lane, and the Lee Harvey Oswald " trial" from 1986? You have a lot of debunking to do. This one won't get you far.
This "historian" doesn't impress me
Having no actual knowledge about this case, your not being impressed doesn't mean too much.
As if either of our opinions matters at all. Yawn
He obviously is impressed with himself.
But it's just objectively true that the movie JFK is 99.9% fiction.
Me neither
Only thing stones movie got right was day kennedy died. And that's all.
'Qualified marine rifleman, bottom line'. By the way he missed a 120 foot shot (40yrds) at General Alvin Walker just a few months earlier in April. (Static Target, quiet evening environment)
I was a Federal Agent for 21 years. We had quarterly qualifications. Of course some of us practiced a bit more than that, however, most did not. Everyone eventually passed as 'Qualified' or they couldn't carry their weapon. 'Qualified' was like getting a 'D' on your exam. Enough to basically say they shot in the correct direction and hit the target a few times. I would NOT want them as my backup in a firefight, great guys usually, but not in a firefight. With that said, saying Oswald was a qualified rifleman (at the lowest level) in the Marines makes him capable of making the shots needed to accomplish the assassination by himself on that alone, under the conditions I mention in the in my last comment, is a little like saying a 'D' student will ace his final exam with flying colors. Green shirt makes quite a bit out of the shooting prowess of a 'Qualified' individual, far more than I would. Just tossing that into the equation.
He probably got his degree with a D average
Some of it is, but it's more about the backstory of the prosecutor..
I’m glad I skipped true it and didn’t listen to his bullshit I’ve done too much research
Me too! There's too much info available and this flicked guy don't know the subject at all 😅
what you did is called 'staying in your confirmation bias bubble'. By skipping it you don't get the counter argument. I believed in a conspiracy for 30 years and never once gave a full read or listen to any counter argument. My point to CT's is...if you are going to spend hundreds upon hundreds of hours researching and reading, why not spend a dozen or so hours on the counter argument. Those who honestly seek the truth would openly evaluate the counter side. I owned and read over 25 conspiracy books, documentaries, Stone's film (which I still like). But once you get the counter side and don't dismiss out of have any official body or investigation, it starts to unravel. I can give you a few references if you want. Same with natewatt below
Good call. This video is a disgrace. The creepy green shirt guy is repulsive in every way possible. And he's wrong about EVERYTHING.
@@billkeon880 Nice try, Chang! Grow some balls and fight the commies in your own country.
@@allendulles2481 Right on, man. These f-ing guys are traitors!
1:03:22 my favorite part about the JFK movie is the 5.6 seconds. If you watch the movie you'll notice that the big football player looking guy shoots the gun three times in less than 5.6 seconds. On film.
Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate 3 shots over 8-9 seconds.
If there were only three shots, then by definition, you're accepting the magic bullet theory. One shot missed, striking James Tague. One took JFK's head off. So if anyone believes that one bullet accounted for all the wounds in JFK and Conally, they are in denial, or just dumb.
Connally and JFK are hit independently in under a second apart so 5.6 seconds doesn't matter just whether you could recycle the rifle to take those two shots in under a second, of which you can't.
@@TimChadwick-nu3du a) Victim's reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet.
b) Within 1-2 frames of Kennedy being hit, Connally's lapel pops out, his hat flips up, his shoulder is driven down and his expression violently contorts between frames from the blow. One bullet, and ergo, from behind.
c) Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
d) Witnesses directly under that window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead ("Boom, click, click, boom, click, click, boom!").
e) View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
f) Bullet recovered from the stretcher is in a condition perfectly consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
g) That bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle.
@@TimChadwick-nu3du Victims' reactions in Zapruder's film clearly demonstrate they are hit by the same bullet.
Victims' wounds demonstrably line up on a trajectory and track straight back to the sixth floor window.
View of the entry wound on Connally's back would have been demonstrably blocked by Kennedy's body, the same bullet has to have gone through both of them.
Bullet recovered from the stretcher is in a condition consistent with going through Kennedy without hitting bone, slowing and tumbling on leaving him, then broadsiding its way through Connally's ribs, as medical and forensic evidence clearly demonstrate: badly crushed at the nose and flattened down one side.
That bullet was matched to Oswald's rifle.
Nobody planting a bullet at the hospital could possibly have known a bullet needed planting at all or that he wasn't simply planting one bullet too many into evidence and blowing the whole plot.
Witnesses a few feet directly under the sixth floor window firmly said the shots all came from directly overhead.
It is only 2 shots in 5 1/2 seconds anyway...time starts when the first shot is fired
Exactly, and it was more like 8 to 11 seconds anyway.
Only two had to hit the limo. A third bounced off the curb, but they were all supposed to have come from one shooter. But you don’t get to start 8 seconds at the first shot and divide by two, because the 2nd and 3rd shots were damn near simultaneous, so you’ve got a fraction of a second from firing the shot in the back to firing the magic bullet. Let alone the Pres was shot at least once from the front. Let alone other lead found in the plaza or a casing found on the roof of the Records Building years later. That information was suppressed by the WC but has since come to light. Should I bother to ask what a former defector to the Soviet Union was doing away from his wife in Dallas at NOLA just to “work at Riley Coffee” in the midst of the Intelligence community there rousing both anti-Castro and later pro Castro activities and then weeks before the assn coming back to DFW to work, at all places, the Texas SBD? Do we need to ask why SS didn’t do normal protection? Do we need to ask why the motorcade route was inched ever closer to the building? Then do we need to ask why all that film was confiscated, testimonies of a shooter behind the fence surprised suppressed, why Oswald’s interviews weren’t recorded in any way, or why a mobbed up strip club owner could appear out of thin fuking air in order to kill Oswald. Ruby himself died a couple years later of a sudden and violently aggressive cancer. Say, wanna know what Oswald, Ferrie, and Shaw were doing in NOLA that spring with a young cancer researcher called Judyth Vary Baker (who “worked” with Oswald at Riley Coffee) who along with Dr Ochner and Dr Mary Sherman were covertly working on a virulent cancer with which to infect Castro? (Remember Oswald’s Mexico City trip).
"the 2nd and 3rd shots were damn near simultaneous"? I don't suppose you have anything real or persuasive to back that up...
"the Pres was shot at least once from the front": that's an even wilder and more unsubstantiated claim...just total fantasy, if you know anything about this case at all.
Say, wanna know who's been reading fantasy stories and was suckered in by CT authors trying to make a buck?
@@peterfraser9070 The most wackadoodle theory of them all is still the "magic bullet" and yea, the authors of that (the US government) made billions for defence contractors and corporations. You finely got one right.
Kudos guys! Marty nails it in his very first sentence! Great job fellas! If you guys want to laugh hysterically, read anything by James DiEugenio!
Being a trained marine rifleman who can get a shot off doesn't explain ONE slight little problem. The fluid dynamics of the shot. Shooting a fluid container (HEAD) from behind doesn't blow the fluid matter out the BACK. IF the shot came from the rear, his FOREHEAD would have blown apart (instead of the BACK of his head), and all the fluid matter would have propelled FORWARD, and gone all over the backs of the front seat, NOT THE TRUNK..
So ASSUMING Oswald was an EXCELLENT shot, how did he change the dynamics of what a bullet does?
NOBODY'S THAT GOOD!!!
You can CIAsplain Oswald's capabilities all you want, but it doesn't change what a bullet does!! That's why the evidence had to "disappear". Kennedy was killed because he wanted to dismantle the Central Bank. PERIOD.. And it WASN'T done from a window in a book depository FROM BEHIND.
I was alive when Kennedy was shot (a young child), and every adult I knew (all of which were WWII or Korea vets) ALL claimed that was a B.S. conclusion the moment they saw the Zapruder film. Anybody that's done ANY amount of shooting (and I've been shooting since 1975) can tell you that the bullet DIDN'T come from behind.
All of the bullet fragments found in the Presidential limousine were found in front of where JFK had been seated.
These " historians" remind me of those Southpark characters. I guess they havent read the documents released in the last few years. Even the Judge admitted IN PERSON ON CAMERA he knew Shaw was guilty!
Janet, you are just delusional and that's all there is to it. Maybe you are accustomed to your delusions. It's a shame you try and convince other people that your delusions are real.
When the bullet entered the upper-right back of Kennedy's head, his head was tilted down and to the left. The bullet fragmented and caused a literal explosion; so it's not hard to see why everything isn't just gonna neatly fly forward, although the inside of the car - to the front of Kennedy - was covered in you-know-what, including the people in the car and even the front windshield and hood.
A quick glance at the Zapruder Film / autopsy photos / x-rays makes it clear that your claim is not accurate r.e. the "back" of Kennedy's head exploding out. That's not even on the table anyway.
@@peterfraser9070 You mean the autopsy report where they didn't have the brain, BECAUSE THE CLAIMED THEY LOST IT?
You've OBVIOUSLY never shot a gun before. There's NO FRIGGING WAY a shot from behind no matter HOW the head is tilted is going go bring any PART of that skull backwards. Jackie climbed onto the TRUNK LID in an attempt to RETRIEVE that big chunk, and your "quick glance" at the Zapruder film ABSOLUTELY proves what I said.
watch ( JFK to 9/11 everything is a rich man's trick ) 3hr 27min version ,,, I think this is as ACCURATE as you're ever gonna get
If Shaw had lived past 1974, he would have very wealthy and won his lawsuit. Being gay, he had no heirs, and lawsuits in LA at that time did not transfer to family. Garrison got REALLY lucky. This would have changed the history and dynamic of the Garrison case and Stone's film.
Shaw wasn't charged for being gay but for being involved in the assassination! He was a contract employee of the evil blood-loving CIA.
Couldnt even watch! Can tell what they trying to push
Did this guy really say Oswald was not connected to the CIA. He needs to do some more reading.
please provide citation. No evidence exists. Just because he worked at Atsugi, he had the same low level secutiry clearance that all other military personnel had. Means nothing. Conspiracy buffs (like I was for 30 years) focus on the peripheral anomalies (or those that appear as anomalies). Hard evidence shows Oswald did it alone.
Can anybody tell me one specific detail that the guy in the green shirt claims Stone got wrong? Evidence? Please let me know
The green shirt dude is on a wild tangent. The Warren commission has been repeatedly exposed as mostly nonsense.
Stone tells more than 80 demonstrable lies, the movie is PACKED with fabrications.
Stone tells more than 80 demonstrable and highly relevant lies in his movie.
give me one Clear detailed factual lie. I dare you. You provably lied 432 times in this stream. that is a proven fact!! See how that is a meaningless assertion. you also beat your dog and steal candy from orphans. @@aaronz7056
I've seen your copy and past 80 lies nonsense. A lot of conjecture, lack of context, biased interpretation and conflating speculation with lying or assertions in that list.@@aaronz7056
Well Oliver Stone caused so much drama that some felt compelled to answer it with THIS! I bet you couldn't lie straight in bed but with thumb screws & a blow torch you'd be singing like a bird!
@Aspie66 This guy is a disinformation troll, @aaronz7056.
This is very well done. Totally agree about the carbine and the scope. (I own one just like it) One detail though: it’s Edwin Walker not Alvin Walker.
Didn't pass the 20 second test.
This guy is delusional.
TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF READING,WATCHING DIFFERENT MOVIES AND VIDEOS I DONT CARE, MY MIND SAYS THAT “OSWALD”WAS SET UP LONG BEFORE THE KENNEDYS,HE JUST FELL IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME.
PJ DOC MAGOO
Doesn't matter where the shots came from. Ruth Payne should be able to tell us more.
Had you actually studied the assassination, independently, without any biases, you'd find a majority of the film is accurate and factual. Approximately 85-88%. Not all of it obviously, because at the time it came out, much information was still unknown. But so far, its been the only major Hollywood production to get it right.
LOL
@@9Ballr “Lol” is not an argument. The evidence against Oswald is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies it never would’ve held up in court. Not to mention he never lived to go to trial so his guilt was never legally proven.
@@JFKJustTheFacts That's true, LOL is not an argument. Nor was it intended to be. Tell me then what part of the film that is contested here do you think is accurate? Who cares that his guilt was never legally proven. Since he's dead I don't care if he was legally found guilty or not, I care whether he was actually guilty or not, and there is a mountain of credible evidence that says he was.
B.S., film tells more than 80 demonstrable and highly relevant lies.
@@9Ballr Bet you voted for Trump. Lol.
I have only one question for all the folks in this chat thread who say this commentator unfairly disparages Garrison and his criminal case claiming to have "solved" the JFK assassination (and by implication exonerated Oswald): What about the 12 jurors who were actually in the courtroom where Garrison had the opportunity to present whatever evidence and witnesses he wanted and nonetheless determined Shaw was not guilty in less than an hour? Were the 12 jurors on the take or secretly planted by the CIA? Or they hadn't seen Oliver Stone's movie yet so they were just uninformed?
No, the jury got it right, given the evidence judge Garretty blocked, such as Shaw’s alias (Bertrand) and his ties to CIA, proven later by Duck Helms and docs released by ARRB. The foreman believed the conspiracy. They just didn’t have sufficient evidence to convict Shaw.
Careful, next thing you know all 12 of those jurors will turn out to have been planted on the jury by the CIA to discredit Stone.
absolutely. Kind of like Rudy Guiliani proposing to show all the evidence, and then producesa none in court
Check out Mary Ferell. She said Garrison put the Warren Commission on trial, not Clay Shaw. She was glad when Clay Shaw was found innocent. But later, she found out Clay Shaw and others WERE connected to the CIA.
Ferrie was killed by then... The remark by a witness that he was concerned about whether his daughter was the same he sent off to college greatly concerned the jury. Was it really so bad in secret agent assassination sixties, or reverend moons brainwashing 70's?
It is BACK and to the left” not “up and to the left.” In a matter of a few minutes, i continue to see inaccuracies in your statements. It makes me wonder about the “facts” you present.
This guys a nut
Marty I think you’re off base about the coup. While the Military Industrial Complex and the CIA were involved you ignored the biggest factor…not just power but wealth. There were also very powerful & wealthy men that benefited from a war time strategy. The large corporations that supplied wartime weapons and machinery. The war supplies made multi millionaires out of these people including LBJ.
lame. Thinking that is proof is delusional.
We look forward to you now providing your ironclad proof the "military industrial complex" and "the CIA" were involved.
I’m 3 minutes in and I know “Up and to the left” is the lie! Good job though, if I didn’t know this story well, I’d probably think there’s no way the congress passed a law over a movie!
I’m looking forward to watching the rest of this now
You do know the story well! I hope you still find this episode fun to watch!
You mean this "grassy knoll shooter" stuff is the lie, I assume.
Wrong
Back and to the left
Im looking forward to the final release of the sealed files. The truth is out there in all the evidence lost and witnesses silenced. They know we know.
High School history
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Go get em Bobby, together Americans can put a KENNEDY back in the Oval Office and restore dignity to our nation.
His campaign manager is ex CIA...lol. you are being duped.
I'm going to say not very accurate 🤣🤣🤣
Haha hope you enjoy digging into the details!
@judewender821
You're right, the movie JFK is not accurate.
At all.
It was completely accurate. Was it dramatized, yes, were characters combined, yes. It’s a film…Based on facts.
@@chasegallagher1326 It got a few facts right. It got the date and location of the assassination correct and a few of the names. Other than that it's objectively fiction, there's simply no debate to be had on this point.
@@andycummings-musicwrong
I’m sorry, but when you have this many coincidences, you just have to think there’s something up. Thanks for your dedication to the JFK assassination but I think you must have an ax to grind.
1:41:41 According to The Report Of The Warren Commission, The New York Times Edition (1964), Lee Harvey Oswald “scored an IQ of 118 on the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children. According to [Irving] Sokolow, this indicated a “present intellectual functioning in the upper range of bright normal intelligence.” (Pg. 357)