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The treaty that they were refering to is the Treaty of Tordesillas and its basically what Blackthorn explained, representatives of the Spanish and Portuguese monarchys had a meeting with the pope who decided to cut the world in half for them to conquer so that they wouldnt go intp open war against one another. A crazy notion.
Yep, Spain got the West and Portugal got the East
Treaty of Zaragoza was the one Blackthorne was specifically talking about. Anything East of that line is Portuguese.
@@billytessio6326Correct, the Treaty of Tordesillas was basically the first edition of it where they defined the western border(which is in the middle of Brazil), but had to update the treaty to define the eastern borders once they started taking control around Asia.
Well, they were the first nations to discover the "New World", and I doubt they'd want other nations to join in and interrupt their conquests. Just imagine a cake and then have it split between yourself and some other dude (let's name him Charlie), claiming that one half is all yours and the other half is all Charlie's, while refusing to share with anyone else besides the two of you. That just goes to show how absolutely conceited it all was.
the audacity of yt people is insane cuz this being a real thing that actually happened....
Flux is a really old term for dysentery, Blackthorn only bathes once a week because he's used to bathing in hazardous water which would cause dysentery back then.
First time i watched it with forced english subs, I thought he said the pox, like I was confused lol.
Correct. Back then they didn't understand what caused dysentery exactly because the concept of bacteria wasn't known then. What caused dysentery wasn't really discovered until hundreds of years later, so back then they just saw causal connections and used that to avoid what they thought caused it.
Considering the English were throwing their chamber pots out into the streets I would think their waste was contaminating the majority of their water supplies until they developed their sewage systems. Drinking alcohol was safer than drinking or even bathing water for them.
@@nymeria1160 Best if it were a Scotch, or a bottle of Irish whiskey then. If you lived in London back then, locally-made beer or ale is still made with water from the Thames -- the largest (and finest) open sewer in all of England.
Yeah must medicine at that time we all barn on Galens teachings, blood letting to release impurities and miasmas (dirty and diseased air)
Mariko laughs with her son, Buntaro walks in, " Did I just catch you having fun?"
“Why is she so cold to me??” Idk bruh I wonder why…
I feel so bad and yet I laughed like an ass because I know this reference :P
@@CarFreeGthe huge twist for me was finding out that Mariko fed and encouraged his resentment towards her cause she wanted to die. So it probably triggered him to see her so warm and loving to everyone but giving him the cold shoulder.
20:50 Bro really said “Nah, I’d Win”
The birth of lobotomy memes right there.
The flux was a genuine problem at the time. London water was very very dirty, the flux is just another word for dysentery, which he could get easily, if he regularly bathed in dirty water.
That makes sense, but apparently it's somewhat a myth that the English didn't bathe much at the time, even though they were less hygienic than the Japanese
@@TehIdiotOneisnt it true that most Europeans only bathed once a week? Which is what made the vikings special, they bathed alot more often. Which helped them successfully seduce more people lol
You would catch the flux through infected wounds or drinking water, London had public bath houses effective at the time, albeit private baths were more common after the Black Plague. Public areas were considered unhygienic after the plague receeded.
Has Sheera never seen a classic monk before? She just could NOT leave that poor man's holy hair alone. XD
XD bro even if it was the *style* back then. That's a silly do
Wikipedia: "Tonsure is the practice of cutting or shaving some or all of the hair on the scalp as a sign of religious devotion or humility".
@@bombomos It's not supposed to look attractive, that's kind of the point - it's to show that they're so devoted to God that they don't care about looking ridiculous. Of course by the time in history that this is happening, the Church was a huge power player so it's also a dominance move. "It doesn't matter if I look ridiculous, I still own your ass"
7:56 not the dogface🤣🤣
I looked away for a second and it scared the hell out of me.
I was so baffled 😂
I literally had to walk away lol. Laughing to damn hard.
I swear half the reason I keep coming back to this channel is just to see what kind of foolery the editor be pullin. 🤣
That genuinely made me question my sanity for a second.
This show is at it's best when it's Blackthorne and Toranaga in a room together. So good!
The phlux was a medieval word for dysentery or diarrhea. In medieval Europe, drink water and bathing water weren't kept as clean from sewage water so too much exposure led to people getting sick--in the West.
In the East, sewage water was kept strictly from bathing and drinking water, which is how they could maintain a culture of daily bathing without people getting sick.
Also, Eastern medicine was more advanced scientifically than the West back then, which will be demonstrated in the next episode.
I loved how they gradually cut the translator out of the conversation betwwen Blackthorne and Torunaga. Subtle, but very cool
Fun fact: that headband haircut is called a tonsure and was mandatory for all catholic priest for about thousand years up unitl early 1970s and is the reason why catholic bishops still commonly wear the little coloured caps called zucchetto (they used to cover the spot lol)
Yeah! And there was major debate on what shape based on which Christian denominations you were from
Goofy hair style. Probably started when some head priest was like. "Look what I can make these fools do"
Ugly hairstyle to symbolize their devotion and to make them appear unattractive to women so their oaths of celibacy would not be tested.
@@bombomos I think at the start it was just a version of an id card in Germanic kingdoms cause back then classes were segregated by different haircuts (which also is kinda funny contept tbf)
It’s actually still practiced by certain Catholic orders, it’s meant to be a way to humiliate yourself.
The priest in the jail is a decorated Portuguese actor. Glad they got him even if it's a small role.
That random dog face scared tf outta me!! 😂😂😂😂😂
When i sit down to watch this i forget im watching a show. These actors are all killing their roles HEAVY. Loving this
John Blackthorn is based on William Adams (Miura Anjin) was an English navigator who sailed with a Dutch trading fleet to the far East and landed in Japan in 1600. He became a vassal under the Shogun, Tokugawa Ieyasu, was bestowed with a title, lands and swords, and became the first SAMURAI from England.
As the show said Anjin means enemy and that's his name there now.
@@jbp9653Pilot*
@@jbp9653 you mean now
@@jbp9653
Anjin means pilot not Enemy
Enemy is teki
@@jbp9653anjin does NOT mean enemy. It means Pilot. Even the real William Adams was called Anjin
That priest guy has that haircut because it was suppose to resemble a halo. Back then priests and people alike would get their hair to look like that as a sign of their faith to God.
Anjin's line "Unless I win" carries even more weight in the original series. Holland was formerly under Spanish rule until the Dutch fought a rebellion to take back their country. When Anjin explains this to Toranaga, Toranaga tells him that rebellion against your lawful ruler is an unforgivable sin, to which Anjin replies "Unless you win". Since Toranaga is actively rebelling against the other regents, he is amused to find that he and Anjin have a similar idea about rebellion.
History is written by the winners
Dunno how much different it is for non europeans to get/easily understand what the history of catholics and protestants, spain and Portugal, england and everyone else. I love the detail of it thats in this story
Some Americans know nothing about Christian history while others know lots.
Portuguese empire was crazy ngl, what they achieved being such a small country with few people and few resources
They _did_ start Europe's Age of Exploration, which made them quite skilled at blue water navigation. Being the first to find a nonstop sea trading route to India, China, and Japan around Africa's southern tip *definitely* made them wealthy.
I don’t think that’s a thing to be proud of. Your ancestors were put enslaving people.
@@alcor4670 Correction, it made the Crown, the Church, the merchants and Lisbon wealthy. As a feudal society pre-industrial revolution, the common serf had no material improvement in their life. Maybe a church here and a bridge there. Then the earthquake of 1755 nearly wiped Lisbon off the map, the king lost his mind from seeing his legacy crumble before his eyes, then they rebuilt Lisbon, nearly went bankrupt, centuries of mismanagement, corruption and political blunders pass and my 10 year old at the time grandma is out there sharing a single sardine for dinner after working the fields all day.
@@turtlepope7802 I'd rather blame the Spanish tbh. Didn't the Spanish Empire force Portugal to merge into some Iberian union or something? I recall reading somewhere that England and Portugal used to be allies until Spain asserted its belligerence over Lisboa. It was around the same time period too, iirc.
@@alcor4670 the alliance strained for a bit mostly because of the English civil war, not because of Spain. Hard to make an alliance reliant on noble marriages work when one side hates monarchs. The union did have a greater consequence, it gave the Dutch green light to attack Portuguese bases as well, which, because of Portugal's reliance on small trading posts in lieu of full annexation, were very vulnerable (and their king, as a Spaniard first, tended to devote most of his attention to Spanish territories). All that said, the empire lasted for far longer than the union, so you can't really blame it all on the Felipes. Also, you know, we're talking about many decades of very complex political turmoil. Several wars going on in Europe, lots of shifting alliances. When it came time to restore a Portuguese dynasty, the English joined in as per their long standing allyship, and even the Dutch helped a bit, since Spain was a common enemy (though they kept attacking bases on the down-low, even after signing a pact, the little rascals)
This show only gets better with each installment. It’s so excellent.
Torunaga shoulda stamped the top of buddy's head like she said 😂😂😂
Shogun and 3 body problem are easily the greatest shows to come out this year
that is how spain conquered my country, Philippines. they used religion as an excuse and then ultimately replace local leaders with priests from Spain. but the funny thing, in my country, is that there is a large island called "Mindanao" that was never conquered by the Spaniards no matter how much they tried. Each time, they were met with skillful warriors called the Moro who deemed their armors and guns useless. When the Mock Battle of Manila happened and America claimed PH for themselves, the sultans in Mindanao were outraged on why it happened. The priest tactic never really worked on Mindanao but somehow our entire country was sold off.
The flux is dysentery which is mainly caused by unsanitary water
The prison priest: "You know nothing, John Blackthorn.."
The world of shogun is brutal and beautiful such as all things in Japan 🔥
Every place has nice and dark side to it. Yakuza never left, they just changed
@@joseabreu-nn5cu They probably need to react to Tokyo Vice
@@vulamnguyen9453omg yesss
My man John Satoru said "Nah, I'd win."
Blackthorne actually said "Nah I'd win" I can't believe it
peak reference there 😂
the monks haircut is called a tonsure, its a style of haircut to show that one is a devout religious practitioner. it originated from the hairstyle of Saint Peter and was thus made into tradition. Saint Germanus wrote about it in the 8th century about how the crown of hair looks ridiculous to normal humans but its a symbol of faith in god, therefore its "a crown made of something more valuable than gold and jewels"
Crazy how John said Portugal and Spain were insane and entitled for claiming their lands while being an english man 😭 I guess he wouldn't like what England would become in the future
OR as other people said, he is just portraying Portugal and Spain as the bad guys while he doesnt really care
he's there for the same reasons, just another extension on the religious wars going on back in europe and their race to claim and plunder the worlds resources into that war, it's not in the future but right now( as in the present moment in the show)
Just because someone is an underdog doesen't mean they're the good guy, i.e England was an underdog at this time, but somehow they forget that the English/UK rules 25% of the ruled at their peak.
He's saying that because Portugal and Spain are enemies of the English Kingdom he wouldn't have that same opinion if it was England and Spain or Portugal splitting the world for example, he's only saying it because England (and the other non-Catholic powers) are the ones being left out of the agreement
I suspect John would very much be fine with what England *already was* in that time (they colonized Ireland starting in 1556, with Sir Francis Drake circumnavigating the globe about 20 years later and claiming lands as far away as Cape Horn and California, followed by the first permanent English settlement overseas, in Newfoundland, in 1583), never mind what they’d become soon after with Jamestown and the East Indies within 6 years or so of when this story is set.
He’s a colonizer, he’s not a good guy. He just wants his team to “win.”
@@jasonmarbach yeah youre right, he probably just wants his country on the deal too
Blackthorne: Nah, I'd win
The last assassin is the true job of a ninja. Female ninjas are also called "kunoichi".
The Portuguese priest translating for Blackthorn is from the Jesuit order. They were a fairly new order at the time created by the Catholic Church to counter Protestant evangelicaling. Pope Francis is from the Jesuit order and is actually the first Jesuit pope.
27:04 Sheera hit Roshi with a block during his "buht wha-" combo
Lol I was wondering if anyone else caught that, and her look of defeat once he just keeps talking
This show is superb 🔥😮💨
The best show of 2024
@@joseabreu-nn5cu you know I’m a sucker for Japanese culture especially how beautiful and advanced their technology is nowadays.
The conversation in the garden had me and my boyfriend gripping our seats. The final scene cemented it as a show we needed to watch.
You know the show is fire when you watch it first then watch this to see yall reaction 🔥and catch the stuff you missed
In Catholic doctrines the hair is a sign of vanity because it enhances one's looks, in the old days becoming a priest will require to purposely bald the middle of one's head as a sign if submission and humility to God,
Literally just growing hair? The catholics are tripping on something. If the catholic priest had it their way Adam and Eve would’ve not been married and humanity must go extinct .
20:49 "Nah I'd Win"
This show popped in front of me multiple times after its release. I read its description but it didnt seem interesting to me. Today, I randomly watched an under thirty seconds YT video of this 20:47 scene, and been binging the show since (on ep 5 rn), side by side watching your reactions 😂
A great show and great Reactions guys, like always 💥
"catching the flux" is just old world speak for "I shit my brains out"
Dysentery?
Granted i had no idea what the f the flux was supposed to mean either.
I started watching it after seeing your first reaction and man I am loving it
Bro pulled the "nah, i'll win"
episode reminded me of the saying "the roman empire didn't fall, it became the church"
日本の天皇が日本国の象徴として残った理由もそれです。
天皇はもともと自然崇拝の祭祀者でした。為政者としての期間も数世紀ありました。
天皇家が為政者としての立場を奪われた後も祭祀者として権威を保ち今に至ります
This show is so good. Best in years
Great reaction !!! This story and those old days, words are just words, there is always deep back side. And small words have a lot of meaning...Specially around 1600 years at Japan. Japanese history is very interesting and different. Something never change at Japan even now...
Game of Thrones was inspired by Shogun. So good!
Also I don't know if anyone had mentioned but they don't call it "Nihon." They're calling it Hi no mono. It literally translates to "The Sun's Thing" or "The Sun's Land."
Bathing once a week was still a thing amongst commoners until the 70s when central heating became common place in people's homes here in Britain.
Before that people used to share a bath usually on Sundays, the head of the house would get the hottest water, then next eldest and so forth until the child got the coldest.
That BS if you want to lie about us please do it to our face you cowards 🤡
The tension in this show is so good, I am in love with this story!!
Torunga: If you were to go against the combined forced of the portugese and the catholics you would be hopelessly outnumbered
Blackthorne: I guess if the catholics came at me with all their force they might give me a little trouble
Torunga: But would you lose?
Blackthorne: Nah I'd win
3 body problem ? anyone? i liked it a lot
It's a good show. Lots of scary moments.
If was amazing x I hope they react to it. I’m sure they would love it
It’s like Naruto, 5 ninja villages against each other 😭
i just started reading the book. it turned out Blackthorne can speak english, fluent Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch and Latin. this man is educated. so in the series they dont actually speak english but Portuguese.
bro that blackthorne edit lowkey scared the fuck out of me 🤣
As much as how Xenophibic, Unruly Japanese history is, got to hand it to them, the fact that a small island stood against the outside world, other nations, religions for over 1,000s of years is amazing.
Their 'bushido' spirit is literally ruthless, fearless and loyal. Japanese back then, had always known as ''red ants''.
7:58 that genuinely jump scared me
Love the Warrior call back lol 😂
I really like the camera work in this show and the act, John ( anjin ) is like a type of Yasuke in this show
7:55 YOU DID NOT HAHAHA
He's an interesting fun fact about monks the ones with the shaved head actually originally it was supposed to be in the shape of a triangle a holy symbol but the circle was just much more easier
"Bathe? Nah, we had a cat on the ship that used to lick us when it felt like. I'm good."
Its crazy that a major part of Nioh’s story is based on this and the tale involving the Siege of Osaka.
Back then, the water wasnt clean, plus it took a lot of effort to heat water. So in a family, the man would wash first, then the mom, then the older kids then last.. the baby. Which is where the expression "Dont throw the baby with the wash water" or essentially, dont throw out something good when you want to throw out or get rid of something bad.
Bathing only occasionally, is why they had lots of weddings in june. Its a lot easier to bathe in warmer weather. They were generally cleaner. Plus the reasons why women carries flowers going down the aisle.
Awesome reaction of my favorite episode of Shogun!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊
7:53 cmon editor 🤣🤣🤣
The last scene is my favorite
oooh my god i'm finally in the comment in the intro. the angels can take me, i've achieved everything i needed to in this life
My interpretation of Toranaga switching rooms and baiting out the assassination was also to confirm if Blackthorne was telling the truth.
Fact: GRRM partially inspired the Shōgun novel to portray the power plays of GOT. Said it in an interview.
Please pay attention to Tadanobu Asano's performance as Kasigi Yabu.
The dog face edit 😂😂👍🏿
7:56 that’s crazy
Why did this remind me of the assassination scenes from shogun total war 2 where the assassin failed
Some people praise this show for speaking Japanese and critizise shows like warrior for speaking English but then failed to mention them speaking English to replace Portuguese
I think it was too hard to make actors converse in fluent Portuguese for half the show. The translation scenes are the most compelling part of the series, so butchered Portuguese would be worse than just using English.
Note that the Priest kept calling her Maria, her quote-unquote 'Christian' name, but Blackthorn had the decency and respect to call her Mariko and to say it correctly (aside from needing to be told about the -sama thing)
I'm pretty certain that Blackthorne has no idea what her Christianized name is, when the priest is speaking to her and calls her Maria they are alone so he would've never even heard it, hence why he only knows her name as Mariko. I don't really think it's a sign of decency and respect, rather it's the only name he knows her as
@@Dell-ol6hb Yeah but that doesn't matter, the priest definitely knows her real name but refuses to call her by it. It's less that Blackthorn doesn't know her Christianized name and moreso that he not only said her name, but said it correctly.
@@Altanese I don't think she's offended by her Christian name. She is a devout Catholic and most likely okay with the priest calling her that.
@@arseniczirconium9098 Bruh tell me where in the Bible it says 'also change your name to something white people are more comfortable with'. If she's so great with that then why does everyone else still call her Mariko? Shouldn't she be insisting they call her Maria since she's so devout?
@@Altanese Feels like a solid half of “white people names” are from biblical origins or the supposed companions of Jesus. Literally think of a random name ben dave sarah john 😂
Blackthorn really said: "Nah, I'd Win."
This show is awesome
That haircut represents the crown of thorns placed on Jesus?
Y'all should consider reacting to Tokyo Vice after y'all done with this.
@Lupasan "sword compartment" gon go over a lot of peoples heads
7:56 😂😂😂😂😂
The man with a disfigured face is based on Ohtani Yoshitsugu.
Otani is said to have hidden his face because he suffered from Hansen's disease.
I can't wait for you guys to see the next episodes. It only gets crazier from here!
Like to point out that this series is based real historical events and these people really lived.
Toranaga out here playing chess
WTF???? i thought i was hallucinating!!!!! @7:56
i swear man, everytime they say the word pirate in Japanese, i think of one piece lol
Now you see why protestantism was born, love to my Catholic bros and sis, but yall were wilding for tooo long back then
Sheera constantly roasting a religious haircut LOL
You guys are some of the only reactors that actually pay attention to the shows. Love watching
I thought it was more like now toranaga knows the priest guy was confirmed untrustworthy
Not only did the attack prove Blackthorn was telling the truth, it proved the priests were willing to kill
That’s why Toranaga had Mariko translate for him. He didn’t trust the Portuguese priest
@@andrewward5891 yea i know. But this attack happening right after he confronted the priest to his face quite literally confirms without a shadow of a doubt that the priests now want him dead and that blackthorn was telling the truth
Nah I'd Win
i looked up the haircut when i first started watching and apparently in a way its meant to look silly to show that your devoted to god and vanity doesnt matter!
I haven’t become this instantly addicted to a show in years! The scene of Blackthorn telling Lord Toranaga about the true motives of the church was so gripping I was literally at the edge of my seat. It also shows why I never want to be part of most religious organizations.
Man pulled a "Nah, I'd win" and got away with it
The intro reminds me of westworld
5:19 .. not really, she currently holds her religion far above a savage 😅 - 7:56 😂😂
Good show.
3 Body Problem reaction?