Buggy Wheel Hub Comparison | Old vs New | Engels Coach Shop
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2021
- Timken roller bearing buggy hubs are convenient, low maintenance, reliable and cost effective, but not for the avid restoration enthusiast. Choosing your style of hubs for your buggy will be a choice of modern conveniences versus original stylings. Building and restoring horse drawn vehicles usually involves balancing different value systems and these often vary from individual to individual.
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I have been following you for the last couple of years or more now. The whole atmosphere of each video - your manner & voice, the music, and the cinematography - all generate a sense of calm and wellbeing in me. I have learned so much about a trade that I will never have the opportunity to practice but watching a skilled craftsman at work gives me such great pleasure. Thank you for giving me that.
Thank you!
Amen!
I never tire of seeing those spokes getting set.
It never gets old watching Dave Engels work on wheels and hubs. I wonder how many hours he has spent building jigs to bore holes fit spokes and such. I enjoy your channel!!!!
great knowledge & work
The content is excellent and what we all watch for. Little appreciated is the videography - for instance, starting at 1:15 where Dave goes back to get the stock for making the cores until he's back, there are 7 camera placements! Which means set the camera, film a few seconds, repeat 7 times. That's real dedication to quality video.
Woohoo! I try to get the first like every week and everybody is so supportive, I hardly ever do, so this is exciting 😊
Hi there! Good to hear your the winner!
Dave I recently purchased a Dodge Sedan 1929 that has wooden spokes wheels and I have one that has a little damage, thanks to my grandfather's tools and knowledge from watching you I can make the repairs to the wheel myself, I always enjoy your videos and even at 74 I have learned so much !
Even though we are very close to the same age, you remind me so much of my grandfather. There was nothing he could not make. You are a master wheelwright. I never tire of watching you. Thank you for keeping the craft alive.
Dave, there are hundreds of how-to videos out here with super clean shops that never get dirty, and the latest and greatest tool ensembles but they CAN NOT hold a candle to your vids! Realistic practices and real people are the true craftsman. I Loved the rubber band! Thanks for all you do, I now look forward to your next one every Friday!
Thanks Mike.
......and so do I, Dave !! Thank you so much for sharing your craftsmanship with us, it's so interesting !!
In all my years it never occurred to me to drill a pilot with a flat bit and chisel a countersink for the lathe stop. I always just hammered the end Chuck on. Learn something new every day!!
I guess he does this to ensure the part is as more accurately centred on the lathe, rather than just hammering it on somewhere close to the centre?
In french a craftman is call an « artisan » an art maker, and when i see you (and it’s a long time i do!) i think it’s really art, much more than some famous ‘painters’ do...
Rather than works of art he makes art that works. 😁
I wrote about art some time ago on this channel and then i got like a shitstorm that this no art. NO people this is a special art which dies very slow. This craftman ship is an art which shows it in the little things.
@@mikeunum I suspect the distinction that most make is that art generally has no function other than to look at. Craftsmanship is generally more about how something is made than what it is when done.
@@LTVoyager , It has to do with the use of language. His craftsmanship IS an art.
I very much believe this falls under the category of "métiers d'arts" which we might translate as "artistic professions" and which refers to all those small workshops and craftsmen which preserve ancient knowledge and techniques.
Dave, just wanted to comment on your videography, it's fantastic! All your great angles, lighting, the perfect resolution, I must say, coming from an old, retired photographer of over 50 years, (and wife and I both buggy drivers), honestly, we don't know how you get as much work done as you do! It takes much time moving cameras to various positions and angles, stopping and starting, cleaning dust off lenses, etcetera, over and over again, geez! To all you folks out there watching that might not think about all that happening behind the scenes as Dave's making these incredible videos for all of us, it might help you appreciate what he does just a little bit more. Dave, again, thank you for sharing your craft, your professionalism, expertise and vast degree of wisdom with all of us out here, we really do appreciate you very much and always look forward to more of your videos, a genuine thank you again!
Poor Dave, you do not get away from the wheels ;)
Thank you for sharing though - I’d happily listen to you and watch you for hours!
Thanks for the great video! I am going to timestamp my highlights :)
3:30 was a great tip for locating and preparing the stock for the drive spur
9:45 the indexing ring and fixturing for the mortiser are fantastic!
15:00 the option you have for the pivoting head on the drill press is really unique
It was also very enjoyable watching both style hubs and spokes being installed.
*Excellent tutorial, Dave.*
*- It was so much more fun to watch you build the old style Sarvin Hub.*
*- The 1898 Timken Roller Bearing Hub clearly has many advantages that should probably make them the superior choice all around, but they don't look interesting to build or assemble, or pretty looking to me.*
I have been binge-watching 40's and 50's cowboy movies on UA-cam. I got to thinking that, if Mr. Engel watches these, he probably can't help but study the various horse-drawn vehicles and critiquing them. On another note, got to thinking that, if the Green Nude Eel reached full flower, horse-drawn buggies/wagons/etc. might become the "new normal". ["Hey Ma, I'm going to hitch up the buggy so we can go into town and get supplies."] Were that the case, the information in these videos might become really important.
One time saving trick about wood turning is to knock the corners off at 45 degrees before mounting it on the Chuck/tail stock so there's less material to take off to make it a cylinder and it causes less wear on gouges etc. Indeed it's safer as well since it has a tendency to throw of large pieces when left square when turning when done by hand because the tool does travel in more when the stock turns until the next corner revolves engages as many are more aggressive at this point rounding it. Many tend to begin rounding with the stock turning at to high a speed instead of lower which is dangerous because its rare to have piece that's in balance which can throw it off the lathe damaging it/you together. An experienced turner knows to start slow since it lessens this out of balance effect and one should stand away from the stock when the power comes on just in case because the more it is the stock can make it break free when raw material is turned. An old school way to tell if the stock is turned completely into a cylinder is to take the tool and rest it past the top center of the stock as its spinning to feel or hear it skip because when it's true it won't. A delight as always and happiness is when an artist like him has nice supply of tail end and left over pieces since he likely finds one that works when it as organized as this...👍
I'd guess that in his many years of lathe turning Dave has tried just about every technique and has settled on the one that he finds most efficient.
I watched your video and then went inside to watch
Murdoch Mysteries
and blow me down... there was a buggy with Sarven hubs ..
I screamed out..SARVEN HUBS..and my wife thought I was having a stroke..ha...
Dave, thanks again for your breef and friendly explenation of the differences between these two styles of hubs. Stay safe and warm greetings from the Netherlands, Bram
I love your homemade indexing wheel for boring the hub mortises! I’d love to see you do an episode on the various jigs, devices, and work holding tools you’ve put together over the years! It might take more than one episode though! Ha! Your engineering on these things is just as fascinating to me as the work you put out! Think about it please!
Wholeheartedly agree! I believe, however, that more than one episode may be required...which is all to the good!
@fred McMurray , I'll venture a guess that there is little in his field that he has NOTdone!
He has done such a video. It may take some effort to find it, but it would be worth the effort!
There's a whole video maybe two just on building that mortising machine. He bought a new machine and married it to an older machine to get a machine that could do what he needed.
If you look at 10:43 you can tell by the paint the different ages of the machines.
i dont mean to be offtopic but does someone know of a method to log back into an instagram account..?
I somehow lost my login password. I appreciate any tricks you can give me.
Again, you continue to push your art of visual storytelling by capturing minute overlooked details. Plus, got a considerable amount of wheelwright work accomplished in the process; nice touch capturing those moments at interesting angles and post production work. 👍Crescent wrench might be a rising star. 👍
Cracks me up! The modern hub is 1898-1899! Too funny! 💜🌞🌵😷
I watch to see you Dave, use those fantastic tools you have amassed! Using wrenches to make adjustments instead of plastic knobs or levers is so fantastic! The table on the press that turns for height is genius! Your craftsmanship is the best. What fun you must have working in your shop! I know, I have a shop I spend every hour I can! Love from NW Colorado. Thanxz
How many cameras???? How many camera's do you use to film because there is never an additional camera in shot and if you use just one camera for all the shots, dear god man you are an absolute legend to have so many different angles. Honestly one of the best channels I have ever found. I appreciate your work
It can all be done with one camera. Just remember he did 4 Sarvin hubs so he can easily get 4 camera angles without touching the camera while making each hub.
The rest is the magic that happens in editing.
Just like his self driving nails or self turning screws from a few videos ago.
I do have 2 cameras but usually only use the one. Some vids I'll do 2 angles at the same time and that's when I bring in the second camera.
Fantastic job Dave, great history lesson on the Timken Bearing Hub. That was awesome how you showed the both hubs being built and the comparison for the ease of caring for the hubs. Always enjoy watching your videos, great entertainment !! 👍👍👏🏻👏🏻 Fred.
I don't know if you need encouragement sometimes, but I just have to tell ya. I sure do get an amazing amount of happiness watching you work. Again, thanks so much. Kerry in Prince George Northern BC
long and healthy life - Sir
My horse told me he likes the roller bearing hubs best. Myself, either one looks to work equally but I'd think the roller bearing design would last longer with least maintenance. Add much more time if the spokes had to be made from scratch !! Thanks for the show Dave.
Why is seeing the tool go back in its rightful spot so satisfying and then why do I so rarely put my tools away right when I'm done with them?
The shot of the mortise bit coming to a stop was a nice new touch also.
DaveYour videos are great, I appreciate what you show us. I will never be a wheel wright but I do pick up some interesting tips from watching you work. Thank You, David
Having the proper jig certainly makes a job go more quickly and more easily. In my experience making a good jig takes about twice the time of making what the jig is for, but about halves the final assembly time. Thanks for letting us watch, Dave.
Friday 11PM. Waiting for the weekly video. Once again, it delivers.
I'm so impressed with your attention to detail, and I am not talking about your coach building skills. I can't think of a single other UA-cam channel that takes the time to do those perfectly framed short clips to build the story while you were building the wheels. That adds up to professional editing standards, as good as any you'd see on the Discovery Channel, for instance, and better than most. I have a feeling it is just who you are, and that you can't bare to do anything without doing it as good as you possibly can. It sure adds up to some quality watching for your viewers.
Thanks for sharing I learn something new each video , May God bless you and your family 🙏 stay safe out there
A Man that Can Do Anything is Called Mr. Dave Engels !!
Thanks for the great comparison. My first job out of Tech School was at Timken, Cone OD line. ST. Thomas ON. That taught me all I ever wanted to know about piecework and shiftwork. Exceptional camera work.
Thank you Mr Engels... as always it's a pleasure too watch you work your magic on the UA-cam TV set...lol.... thank you sir for what you do and help "us" others too understand alittle more about our world long ago as opposed to now time's... look foward too seeing you next week again.. till then God bless you and your family Mr Engels 🕊🌎👍🇺🇸
I look forward to seeing you work magic every Friday
The new style hub must have been considered almost revolutionary when they first appeared. In the new design you can see the continued thinking of moving away from wood to metal cast parts that led to the industrial revolution and interchangeable parts. One wonders how many fewer wagons would have collapsed or fell to pieces to be abandoned on the trail West. The heavier loads that would have been tolerated verses with the wooden hubs. It was certainly a wonderful adaptation of the wood hub.
Great work , I really appreciate the photography and editing. Both informative and pleasure to watch. Thanks.
Dave thank you very much for your segments on youtube. always a pleasure in watching you. Bob
Great video I learn something every time I watch what is nice I can follow along and understand what it is you are doing without you having to provide constant dialogue. All I can say is keep em coming Thanks Dave
So satisfying seeing the spokes snug up to each other.
Excellent as always Dave! I look forward to your videos every week.
I can't fathom why or what kind of miserable bitter twisted person would click the thumbs down. Certainly none of them are brave or literate enough to say why in a comment. I pity them for their empty pitiful lives.
As a keen amateur woodworker in Britain with a single garage workshop I covert your space, your fantastic classic machines but mostly your skill.
Terrific, I always learn something from you thank's for sharing. All the best from Canada.
I wonder how many film schools are using your videos as examples of how to tell a story clearly? Your beautifully done videography and editing are certainly professional level work.
Hello from Nederland
I just drove by your shop!
Did I miss your wave?
@@EngelsCoachShop Nope!
My week is complete! Thanks Dave!
Excellent Work - Fantastic Video - True Craftsman @ Work - Custom Jigs & Knowledge Applied...Thanks Again, Dave...
Hi Dave. I echo all the positive comments below. The well deserved list of attributes for your channel is wide and deep and all I can say is that I sincerely appreciate your effort in producing these video gems showing us your beautiful work. There is a related kind of video that I'd love to see you produce at some point -- a video which focuses on how you manage your shop equipment, small tools, and working supplies.
I often help my son in his small business of building custom production equipment for his customers. Both he and I struggle with keeping our many tools in good working order while maintaining a supply of the many items used with the tools (fasteners, blades, consumables), all while producing a good work product. How do you manage to keep these things available and working, all at the same time, and still get jobs done in a timely manner?
For example, I don't know how many times I've watched you use sharp drill bits or your very sharp pocket knife, or use a wickedly sharp chisel to shave wood. What is your practice in deciding what dull tools are sharpened vs replaced (i.e. drill bits), and what is your practice in re-sharpening what must be many, many blades, chisels, and bits, and maintaining spares? Your powered hand tools and floor-mounted tools always seem to work when switched on. Do you maintain those powered hand tools (i.e. bearings, brushes) or overhaul them vs replace them? Or do you send them out? You probably maintain and overhaul your large floor-mounted tools as required, but do you have a process for planning this? Lastly, I've long watched you pull parts from your amazing wall of deep bins that holds common and specialized rivets, bolts, nuts, washers, and who knows what else! Wire, tape, oils, paints, solvents, etc. are simply always there when needed. Impressive inventory management, but how do you so seamlessly keep all the tools working?
Hello Sir
It is a pleasure to see you precise work.
I like the old ones most and in my understanding it is difficult for me that the amisch people use this rollerbearing hubs .
They had to use hubs out of wood that were build without the use of electric tools .
So my Theorie. Okay i know that pure Fiction that the amisch dont use modern electric Equipment
Offiziell the dont use any modern stuff
But little changes Made the life much easier.
Thanks for sharing your Work
Take care and stay healthy
Greetings from Germay
Yours Frank Galetzka
Thanks again, Dave!!
Love the new production values! Outstanding.
Dave, I've never been the sharpest blade in the shed but, it still amazes me how you came up with that jig for drilling spokes. You my friend ,will never be voted off the island ! Love your show !
Very relaxing and informative video, your craftsmanship and video editing skills are the best. Thank you.
I'm not a purist but I like the "Old Stile" better against the roller bearing hubs. Each has it own place I guess. Thank you for showing the difference between the two. See you next Friday.
The old style and new style are irrelevant today, considering that when the "old" style was old ... was sometimes in the 1800's when they came up with roller bearings. Post that date, with notable exceptions, most vehicles were furnished with variants of the roller bearings at an increasing rate.
The sad part is that the new hub is made outside US...
@@aserta along with most everything else in our homes...
Used to haul steel tube on flatbed truck for Timken out of Canton Ohio.
Thank you as always. We used timkens missed spell. When I was with VW parts in the 60s wheel bearings
Dave you are truly a craftsman. I enjoy watching you at your trade.
I am here for the "artisan" and the more so for the art work. I mean the editing and photography. Splendid work Sir. Thank you.
Masterful. Thanks for the ride along sir.
Thanks Dave I've been enjoying the videos have a great weekend love from TEXAS
As usual great work Mr. Engels
Thanks Mr. Engel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Never get tired of watching you build wheels.
The fastest 23 minutes on tv!😖 Love em!!
Hi Dave, big fan here. I would like to complement the videography. In particular I find the close-up shots fun to watch and instructive. In this video I especially enjoyed the close-up of the drill that bores square holes. I have often wondered how it worked and what kind of bit was in it. The final close-up of it where it slowed to a stop revealed all. In general I find your videos a pleasure to watch, thanks!
I do get questions about it so hoped that would help. Thanks.
Another relaxing Friday afternoon. :)
Often wondered how you indexed those spokes , I really enjoy your videos, thanks for taking the time.
I'm amazed at the varied skills that you have. As time consuming as the things that you show, there is also the sharpening of turning chisels and also where is that thingamacallit that I just had a few minutes ago.
calming to watch Dave work just before bedtime. I get a kick out of the old tech. Dave's making bank but steam-engine enthusiasts seem to be all volunteers following interests. It's amazing how steam took over from horses so quickly, considering the dangers and complexity of working with steam. This also illustrates to me there will be a future for a few ICE highly paid vehicle mechanics. I expect 2023 will be the last year of full employment for car repairers. Need for them will drop quickly after that. Car repair shops will be as rare as Dave's wheelwright business in 20 years. If you want a V-8, get it now so you can drive it a few years before the OEMs go bankrupt.
watch a few auto diag videos. you will see the electronics in cars will provide full time employment internal combustion engine or not. L-1 automotive ex.
The best video's on you tube. Can't wait until the next one. Thanks for sharing ! Cheers !
This has been a real education for me the timken roller bearing hubs being manufactured to this very day is a real surprise and yes I can very clearly see why the Amish like the hubs from what I have learned today I like them too even if they are made in China very impressive keep up the good work I'm proud of you
Dear Anel , And WE got the added chuckle about, "made in China!"
It amazes me how loving these wheels hold up. It's hard to imagine making all the mortises and tendons by hand. Wheelwrights ruled their time.
Very Late Comment: They probably had very many apprentice hands back in the day for that kind of work. Think modern day Pakistan truck repair shop. 😀
Hello! I congratulate you for the work you do, it is the dream of my life to do it here in Argentina
GREAT JOB, GREAT VIDEO, [ NOW LET'S GO TO WORK...]
I love your old bandsaw, lots of squeaks and squeals and whole lot of personality. rode hard and still going strong
Hello from Poland 👍👌👏
Here again, a man who knows what he's doing makes it look EZ...
Love your tooling, simple and direct in purpose. Thanks.
You are a gem, Mr. Engle. Thank you, again.
You DEFINE the term "A tool for a job"! Just learning from experience what sets of tools to have close to what set of machines to do a specific job is a world unto itself. A true expert!
Awesome camera work as usual... Thanks for taking the time
Thanks Dave !
Have a great weekend, Dave.
Very interesting. Thanks for taking us along on the build process.
The old style hub looks stronger, but the roller bearing looks better for every day use.
Amish approved
please explain how a wooden core is stronger than an iron one ?
Outstanding one Dave! You are the best thing on UA-cam! Keep them coming please, as they are the highlight of a Friday afternoon in MN.
Another great vlog Mr Engels... thanks!
As usual, an excellent video. Special shout out to your camera man / editor, attention to detail was perfect in this video.
The first 1K plus likes and zero dislikes I have ever seen. Top job. Best wishes from the UK.
*Those who would diminish themselves by hitting the dislike button are probably all gone because they would have been hunted to extinction by now.*
@@RobertFay I do hope so. Keep well and stay safe.
I see you're being a woodworker again! While the subject matter was extremely interesting what stood out was the video. Both camera placement and editing. Your wife is a good editor.
Dave does it all. Not me.
@@dianeengel4155 Just trying to spread the love. :-)
😄 thank you.
Dave love your channel ! , wondering how they mortised hubs in the 1700s. the rectangled holes I assume were made with a hammer and wood chisel as the Greenlee invention didnt come about till the latter part of the 19th century. Thank You
I never get tired of watching this craftsman work - always a pleasure!
This was so interesting and informative and the time just flew right by. Thanks again for all you do.
Love seeing how things were made back when every thing was made in the Black Smith's shop..
One of your most informative and interesting videos to date. Thank you for preserving this craft.
Thank you for the video. Great craftmanship shown by you.
i love watching these