Like it’s your literal job to know your product and talk about it. Why is this so common at these shows? These reps gotta do better, it’s so painful to watch people not know what they’re selling
What was really disappointing to me was that he clearly couldn’t even speak to how it may or may not apply to USPSA, IDPA, etc. Competition is the main reason heavy weight pistols are important in the marketplace.
It’s because they hire ppl with degrees who try to sound smart not ppl who genuinely love their company/ products. the enthusiasm is never there it’s just a paycheck to them
“We’ve got this high-end Performance Center race gun; should we design a comp that seamlessly matches its lines?” “Just slap a Strike Industries on it.”
"should we appeal to the people who care about form over function because a race gun isn't a fashion show?" "or she we try to make the gun look "pretty" for the morons who can't conceive of changing a muzzle device?"
@ What if I told you a good looking comp could be just as effective? That wouldn’t be form over function, it’d be form and function. Kind of like those curvy slide serrations that line up with the serrations on the frame. You know, the frame serrations that serve no function aside from aesthetics.
1700$ is absolutely insane. No way does it perform 3x better than a standard M&P, and the comp sends it straight to Open in every major shooting sport.
Yeah there's a used M&P 2.0 at my local FFL right now for $389 with the original box, night sights, and three mags. For 99% of purposes, that's a much better buy, in my mind...
I spent $1250 total for a standard 2.0 that I then put an apex trigger in, ported the barrel, and put an agency arms comp on. So $1700 MSRP (they’ll hit the street for about $1500) is pretty good.
Everyone asking for a 5 inch steel frame for CO: S&W: here’s one thats only legal in open and was designed with TEMU (strike industries) Also he said the weight in pounds (for some reason) but I believe it’s 36oz for anyone keeping score
The threaded barrel comp is truly where they went wrong. Totally destroyed the market for anybody in california And its just stupid. Everyone wanted the 5 inch comped slide instead of detachable threaded one. And the blue colors are very childish. nobody wants a cheesy pearly cartoony color ruining their serious gun.
Yep, they really dropped the ball. Hopefully they do better with the 5” model, but it’s not gonna fix the lighter weight unless they have another frame which I doubt
Who does S&W have working in the design department making choices on aesthetics- Flavor Flav? “People want a steel frame M&P? That’s cool, but what if when we make it, we make everything as garish as possible? Yeah, that’ll be fantastic.” Seriously, just make a duty-style gun. A plain old 4.5” or 5” gun with a threaded barrel and optic cut. Let people dress it up however they want. I’m one of the folks who want a steel frame M&P, but I don’t want one that makes me look like a cyberpunk pimp.
Man, a steel framed S&W is a big deal. Maybe they could add a double action trigger and an external swinging hammer ignition system, with a slide mounted decocker. Call it the 5906 or something. That would be cool.
Exactly. It’s basically a “2.0 trigger but made of aluminum so it’s more durable.” You know, to help eliminate all those times your polymer trigger just snaps right in half. 🤦🏻♂️ Gimmick gun.
Oh I have questions... 1. will it be offered in a standard version. 2. Is the aluminum trigger shoe compatible with the 2.0 metal aluminum version. 3. Will it be (eventually) offered in other calibers like 45acp 🤞🙏.
I have the Metal spec series green and it's the best gun I've ever owned! I'm going to buy another one just like it, and this one! I've always been a Springfield fan boy, but my metal and my Shield Performance Center 4" puts all of them to shame!!!
@@timotheifyThose are aluminum alloy. People want STEEL because the weight helps the balance of the gun and soaks up recoil. It's generally been proven that aluminum frames can hurt MORE than polymer because the weight difference is negligible and polymer frames flex under recoil, which reduces the impact on the users hand. Aluminum frames don't flex as much, transferring more energy to the hand. Aluminum frames also don't last as long as steel does. It's the worst of all worlds
For the price I’m still leaning towards the Canik Rival S but I want 40s&w or 10mm, I’ll be waiting patiently, tired of the no love for larger caliber pistols attitude these days by companies, at least S&W released that all metal 40 last year and it’s a beauty
It looks great except for the “add-on looking” comp that just threads on. Wish they did theirs like Shadow Systems or an integral comp. Plus I still hate the dumb 1/2 circle cut on top of the barrel hood.
Strike Industries Mass Driver compensator is attached via the threaded end of the recoil spring guide rod, not a threaded barrel. It should be relatively easy to remove if desired for competition where compensators are not necessary.
Everyone looking at this for USPSA is wondering how much they can sell the “upgraded” barrel, magwell and comp for in order to then buy an APEX trigger and APEX barrel.
So i bought a base model m&p 2.0 about two years ago when they were doing the $75 rebate. It was like $375 so with the rebate it was around $300. I bought a apex threaded gunsmith fit barrel and apex trigger. Installed a legion precision 2 port comp, dpm recoil reduction system, and holosun 507 comp rds. All in im under a grand. I also have the metal carry comp. The carry comp can't even come close to that $300 modified base model m&p 2.0 and they cost about the same amount of money. Do yourself a favor and buy a base model m&p and upgrade it yourself and save a lot of money and end up with a better gun.
Hahahahahahaha. Oh my god! He almost couldn’t say the price he was so embarrassed. Holy hell. They are absolutely smoking some heavy duty ganja at S&W. . 😂
No matter how much we bring awareness every shotshow, diversification of calibers is like dei in the new administration. They think we want a thousand guns that shoot the same bullet.
@@MassiveVictoriesI mean they are going to go with what the market wants. More people shoot and want 9mm. There is a recent surge in 10mm but nobody is going to use 10mm in competition which is what this is for.
@lbwar15 The market isn't monolithic. Nor is it smart. The market is more like a flock of goats eating the grass you provide. Do you think the industry cares about the market? They want to do whatever is easiest. I'd love to see someone be creative, and it works as well. I'm sure that day is coming.
Blunt questions for manufacturers: why is the slide catch different from the polymer M&P 2.0s (i.e., no silly extra parts that make it difficult to use)?
I don’t know but I hate how smith just changes the slide catch and safety from gun to gun year to year. I have bought 2 holsters already for my 5 inch safety model and neither of them fit. About to give up and sell the thing.
“Flat Face trigger” means the face of the trigger where the pad of your finger rests is flat. It does not mean that the trigger shoe is a straight trigger shoe.
Not something i would buy but i think its a step in the right direction. Now if they would lose that comp, magwell, and go a bit more basic on the bells and whistles and offering that same steel frame at a lower price point, that would be nice for production and carry optics divisions
They missed the mark with this one. This had potential to be a great compet pistol but they made it the same size as a standard M&P. Give it a 5.25 barrel with a full length dustcover and put a really good trigger in it and you have something that can compete against the Shadow 2
Can someone at S&W please fit a decent Comp to these guns the faxon was good but it's supposed to be a performance center gun at least get someone to fit the comps to the slide so there is no giant Gap between!
I’m a diehard Smith & Wesson guy. I started competing with them and I still do. But this gun is an absolute joke. Dumb AF! This is not going to fit in the IDPA box with that stupid compensator on the end. Because it has a compensator it won’t work in USPSA Limited Optics either. It would work an open division, but no one in the right mind would dare do that. All they needed to do was put that steel frame on the 4.25 metal carry comp gun and it would’ve been an absolute winner in ID PA CO division. Or put the same steel grip on the already existing 5 inch competitor model and it would work in several divisions in USPSA including limited optics. I’m not bashing here, I’m a frustrated owner of many, many many of their guns that I’ve had to modify for many years to compete with at a high-level. I’m so disappointed in them right now. And don’t even get me started on the price point. It’s not even close to reality. Someone at Smith & Wesson needs to get fired over this.
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Hotel? We all know James, Hop, and Luke have been sleeping in those cages behind him.
“James J Reeves coming at you from the 19th century dog kennel”
Seriously, wtf is this?
@@caseyplunkett6083 thats where they keep the keltec guns so that they dont bite anyone (i love keltec)
@@caseyplunkett6083It is cages made for negative youtube commenters before they go into the chipper
😂 LMAAOOOO😂😂
These product reps don't seem to know much about the products they're presenting. This is across the board, not just S&W.
Like it’s your literal job to know your product and talk about it. Why is this so common at these shows? These reps gotta do better, it’s so painful to watch people not know what they’re selling
Its like this every year, with nine out of ten videos. I love S&W, especially M&Ps, but I hoped that they would do better.
What was really disappointing to me was that he clearly couldn’t even speak to how it may or may not apply to USPSA, IDPA, etc. Competition is the main reason heavy weight pistols are important in the marketplace.
DEI hires
It’s because they hire ppl with degrees who try to sound smart not ppl who genuinely love their company/ products. the enthusiasm is never there it’s just a paycheck to them
Reviewing a new gun in the immigrant holding area is crazy work
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Wild bois
“We’ve got this high-end Performance Center race gun; should we design a comp that seamlessly matches its lines?”
“Just slap a Strike Industries on it.”
Seriously lame.
Based
That thing looks terrible. Great call, this is the only explanation.
"should we appeal to the people who care about form over function because a race gun isn't a fashion show?"
"or she we try to make the gun look "pretty" for the morons who can't conceive of changing a muzzle device?"
@ What if I told you a good looking comp could be just as effective? That wouldn’t be form over function, it’d be form and function. Kind of like those curvy slide serrations that line up with the serrations on the frame. You know, the frame serrations that serve no function aside from aesthetics.
haha found the secret unlisted playlist time to binge watch all of shot show
gib link
@@Space_Racercant post links but if you go to the playlist tab on the channel you will see it
You win!
@@triviszla1536 ah thanks!
The comp looks like an afterthought.
EXATLY what I said!
Because that comp was never designed for guns with sloped muzzles, lmao. It only looks correct on something with a flat nose.
It wasn't made for the gun, it's just a Strike Industries comp anyone can put on a threaded barrel.
It looks like absolute shit lmao
@@tneper for that much $ they should have done better
Thanks. I'd get Steel PDP
PDP's are some of the best factory guns you can buy.
Or the Rival-S.
100%, This looks like something Walther put together from the parts bin of 12 different models.
If you need something that can be made in just about any caliber you want, S&W is a pretty good option.
Someone needs to mail a USPSA rulebook to Smith & Wesson, since they appear to have no idea what competitors can actually use
1700$ is absolutely insane. No way does it perform 3x better than a standard M&P, and the comp sends it straight to Open in every major shooting sport.
Yeah there's a used M&P 2.0 at my local FFL right now for $389 with the original box, night sights, and three mags. For 99% of purposes, that's a much better buy, in my mind...
I'm guessing this is for IDPA Carry Optics, so cost not out of line.
It's about how much to manufacture, set up machines, r&d....not about being 3x better. Maybe took 3x more to make and invest in.
I spent $1250 total for a standard 2.0 that I then put an apex trigger in, ported the barrel, and put an agency arms comp on. So $1700 MSRP (they’ll hit the street for about $1500) is pretty good.
Cutting steel is more expensive and yes the sales volume is way lower.
Guy: Hi!! I’m here to tell you about the new m&p HD.
JR: What does HD stand for?
Guy:🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷🤷
Right? I would’ve thought Heavy Duty but what do I know.
“I wish I had more questions”
Dave was sweatin already 🤣 Good job Dave!
Everyone asking for a 5 inch steel frame for CO:
S&W: here’s one thats only legal in open and was designed with TEMU (strike industries)
Also he said the weight in pounds (for some reason) but I believe it’s 36oz for anyone keeping score
The threaded barrel comp is truly where they went wrong. Totally destroyed the market for anybody in california And its just stupid. Everyone wanted the 5 inch comped slide instead of detachable threaded one. And the blue colors are very childish. nobody wants a cheesy pearly cartoony color ruining their serious gun.
Yep, they really dropped the ball. Hopefully they do better with the 5” model, but it’s not gonna fix the lighter weight unless they have another frame which I doubt
Nailed it, lmao
44 ounces is what I read yesterday.
36.96oz on S&W's website, maybe it's 44 when loaded idk
Who does S&W have working in the design department making choices on aesthetics- Flavor Flav? “People want a steel frame M&P? That’s cool, but what if when we make it, we make everything as garish as possible? Yeah, that’ll be fantastic.”
Seriously, just make a duty-style gun. A plain old 4.5” or 5” gun with a threaded barrel and optic cut. Let people dress it up however they want. I’m one of the folks who want a steel frame M&P, but I don’t want one that makes me look like a cyberpunk pimp.
JamesReeves, the Mike Rowe of the firearms industry. Great interview!
"Yeah, so this is the first of its kind; it's our fifth iteration..."
Man, a steel framed S&W is a big deal. Maybe they could add a double action trigger and an external swinging hammer ignition system, with a slide mounted decocker. Call it the 5906 or something. That would be cool.
😏
The great 3rd generation pistols!!!!
Nice one 😆.
Definitely buying one of these as soon as a normal looking Steel frame 5" model drops. Would love a steel shield plus also.
Isn’t the CSX an all steel gun the size of the shield plus?
It appears there are very few people in the industry that actually compete.
@ 0.38 JR - "what does HD stand for?"
SW - 🤷🏻
Me - 🤯🤣🤣
"What is different about this? Against than everything out there?"
Proceeds to explain the trigger shoe is aluminum. 😅😮
Exactly. It’s basically a “2.0 trigger but made of aluminum so it’s more durable.” You know, to help eliminate all those times your polymer trigger just snaps right in half. 🤦🏻♂️ Gimmick gun.
@nmbr1robb lol. I love the 2.0 but I think he missed the mark on answering that question.
I'll keep to a cz75 ❤
Would be great if SW sent someone that knew anything about the weapon
The last spec series was $999. $1700 is too rich for my blood, but it seems neat. I'm sure it's for somebody.
It’ll end up probably $1200. Still too much for that IMO.
HD=hideously done
I’m taking an HD No. 2 while watching this,
Lmaoooo exqctly 😂
Dave's like a cop that takes his job too seriously..
Oh I have questions...
1. will it be offered in a standard version.
2. Is the aluminum trigger shoe compatible with the 2.0 metal aluminum version.
3. Will it be (eventually) offered in other calibers like 45acp 🤞🙏.
I have the Metal spec series green and it's the best gun I've ever owned! I'm going to buy another one just like it, and this one! I've always been a Springfield fan boy, but my metal and my Shield Performance Center 4" puts all of them to shame!!!
That price is insane!
Hopefully they come out with one without a comp and magwell for a bit cheaper. I’d like a steel M&P
You could get last years or the year before. Both metal options with the threaded barrel.
@@timotheifyThose are aluminum alloy. People want STEEL because the weight helps the balance of the gun and soaks up recoil. It's generally been proven that aluminum frames can hurt MORE than polymer because the weight difference is negligible and polymer frames flex under recoil, which reduces the impact on the users hand. Aluminum frames don't flex as much, transferring more energy to the hand. Aluminum frames also don't last as long as steel does. It's the worst of all worlds
For the price I’m still leaning towards the Canik Rival S but I want 40s&w or 10mm, I’ll be waiting patiently, tired of the no love for larger caliber pistols attitude these days by companies, at least S&W released that all metal 40 last year and it’s a beauty
It looks great except for the “add-on looking” comp that just threads on. Wish they did theirs like Shadow Systems or an integral comp. Plus I still hate the dumb 1/2 circle cut on top of the barrel hood.
Strike Industries Mass Driver compensator is attached via the threaded end of the recoil spring guide rod, not a threaded barrel. It should be relatively easy to remove if desired for competition where compensators are not necessary.
@ are you saying S&W put a Strike Ind. comp on their gun? 😲
Nice!
Pass at that price point
are the core plates still plastic or are they metal too? Can I get metal plates and trigger for a stock 2.0?
S&W with the dommy mommy backdrop. Interesting marketing strategy
Mags are also over 141 1/4 and the comp makes it an open class gun . Definitely interesting.
Everyone looking at this for USPSA is wondering how much they can sell the “upgraded” barrel, magwell and comp for in order to then buy an APEX trigger and APEX barrel.
So i bought a base model m&p 2.0 about two years ago when they were doing the $75 rebate. It was like $375 so with the rebate it was around $300. I bought a apex threaded gunsmith fit barrel and apex trigger. Installed a legion precision 2 port comp, dpm recoil reduction system, and holosun 507 comp rds. All in im under a grand.
I also have the metal carry comp. The carry comp can't even come close to that $300 modified base model m&p 2.0 and they cost about the same amount of money. Do yourself a favor and buy a base model m&p and upgrade it yourself and save a lot of money and end up with a better gun.
Wild price for a M&P
Hahahahahahaha. Oh my god! He almost couldn’t say the price he was so embarrassed. Holy hell. They are absolutely smoking some heavy duty ganja at S&W. . 😂
Another 9mm pistol, how exciting!
No matter how much we bring awareness every shotshow, diversification of calibers is like dei in the new administration. They think we want a thousand guns that shoot the same bullet.
what do you want ? 120mm ?
@notchipotle Your bad attempt at a joke is just like the mediocrity in the firearms industry.
@@MassiveVictoriesI mean they are going to go with what the market wants. More people shoot and want 9mm. There is a recent surge in 10mm but nobody is going to use 10mm in competition which is what this is for.
@lbwar15 The market isn't monolithic. Nor is it smart. The market is more like a flock of goats eating the grass you provide. Do you think the industry cares about the market? They want to do whatever is easiest. I'd love to see someone be creative, and it works as well. I'm sure that day is coming.
HD, Heavy Duty? Looks good.
Wish smith kept the fishscale serrations a la OG M&P, E-series, etc. So much cooler.
that price for another m&p is crazy
Does steel cost as much as gold these days?
The comp looks like you just screwed on any generic comp.
yep!
When will it be offered in 10mm
Did he just say Strike Industries?
Blunt questions for manufacturers: why is the slide catch different from the polymer M&P 2.0s (i.e., no silly extra parts that make it difficult to use)?
I don’t know but I hate how smith just changes the slide catch and safety from gun to gun year to year. I have bought 2 holsters already for my 5 inch safety model and neither of them fit. About to give up and sell the thing.
HD is heavy duty, haven't you guys ever bought a truck😅
Should have done a herrington comp
That is the curviest flat faced trigger I have ever seen...Will be interesting to see what these go for street price.
“Flat Face trigger” means the face of the trigger where the pad of your finger rests is flat.
It does not mean that the trigger shoe is a straight trigger shoe.
@@peternorth1721 Er, what? No part of this trigger is flat. It's a constant curve.
@@skepticalbadger definitely not a constant curve. The bottom 60ish% is pretty straight if look at the closeups.
Will the trigger be as good as Walthers ? Don't like the look of the compensator. Does is still come with plastic plates?
Any chance of just getting the frame?
high density is perfect because the blue makes it look like osmium, the densest natural and stable element.
Would rather hear from someone that was apart of the development and actually knows more than a few bullet points.
I have a m&p2.0 competitor.. not sure why this is worth $600 more.
Does it come in 10mm?
For real that will sell like hot cakes since all the new 10mm from other companies are exploding now from the polymer frame
@SFGiantsfan9797 exactly I want it to shoot Hot hand loads reliably
So they can’t make the front end/comp looks a bit more “integrated” and “design as part of the” gun?
Be cool if they made this in other calibers that the steel frame would make sense for (40 S&W, 45acp)
Will standard M&P M2.0 17-round magazines fit this pistol or is it like the M&P M2.0 Competitor that requires its own magazine due to the mag well?
Mag well on the Competitor is removable
@@jonathoncapaul2854 Excellent. I thought it was glued on but looks like it's held in place with a set screw.
"I actually dont know" 😂 ill just buy 3 more PSA products
the gun is will be in Open for uspsa as it sits.
$1700 is diabolical.
Would like to see a metal frame version of the 10mm, preferaably w/o the comp.
Trying to buy this gun anyone know where I can get it please
Would be nice around $1200.
This thing looks like part of the set design from the movie Alien.
Take a shot everytime he says "ummm"
I would say the HD stands for Hot Damn. Sadly this will be unavailable in IL.
Dad advice for the future will be telling your kids to never buy a firearm that comes with a challenge coin.
Not something i would buy but i think its a step in the right direction. Now if they would lose that comp, magwell, and go a bit more basic on the bells and whistles and offering that same steel frame at a lower price point, that would be nice for production and carry optics divisions
Yet another gun that proves S&W doesnt understand competitive shooting divisions. This should never have had a comp or magwell from the factory.
Amatuer Competition shooters furiously typing in their credit card numbers
A steel frame, threaded barrel, and compensator-this is a dream for those who love performance and durability in a 9mm.
They should have made it 10mm where the steel would really help with recoil
10mm doesnt sell.
@@eliminator173quit acting like a dumbass gun store
@@SFGiantsfan9797 stop being hipster with firearms. 10mm is a niche round. Nobody buys that shit.
I'd be more interested in seeing the compact 4" & 3.6" models.
Kind of feel bad for that s&w rep. "Whats better?"
Well almost nothing except its finally steel like everyone wanted years ago
Poor guy had to show off a race gun and nobody told him what competitions it was made for? S&W, don't do that. Give your reps a blurb or something.
Is this gun worth it? Might ask for it as a gift. And will be my one and only handgun.
Can they make a steel frame 10mm since that’s what 10mm handles better with
The rep really didn't know what the HD meant in the name of this gun?
They missed the mark with this one. This had potential to be a great compet pistol but they made it the same size as a standard M&P. Give it a 5.25 barrel with a full length dustcover and put a really good trigger in it and you have something that can compete against the Shadow 2
Can someone at S&W please fit a decent Comp to these guns the faxon was good but it's supposed to be a performance center gun at least get someone to fit the comps to the slide so there is no giant Gap between!
I see the new future pistol for John wick 5
Why nobody talking about the 3.6 model 😢
Only Yankee 😊
I literally bought a Glock to build it like this, why wouldn’t I just buy this?
Hilariously bad. Hmm, here is a super version of our existing metal frame gun. Lets slap a strike Industries part on it. 1700!
Just give us the steel frame. We'll build around it 💯 Also the comp is hideous. It's too big, especially with shorter and flushed comps out now.
I’m a diehard Smith & Wesson guy. I started competing with them and I still do. But this gun is an absolute joke. Dumb AF! This is not going to fit in the IDPA box with that stupid compensator on the end. Because it has a compensator it won’t work in USPSA Limited Optics either. It would work an open division, but no one in the right mind would dare do that. All they needed to do was put that steel frame on the 4.25 metal carry comp gun and it would’ve been an absolute winner in ID PA CO division. Or put the same steel grip on the already existing 5 inch competitor model and it would work in several divisions in USPSA including limited optics. I’m not bashing here, I’m a frustrated owner of many, many many of their guns that I’ve had to modify for many years to compete with at a high-level. I’m so disappointed in them right now. And don’t even get me started on the price point. It’s not even close to reality.
Someone at Smith & Wesson needs to get fired over this.
Make it in 10mm
Take that cringe compensator off and drop the price a bit and it would be a pretty kool buy
This gun is so sexy that I think I'll steal one!
Anyone count the UMs?
I’m your density.
As most everyone else has been saying in this thread... This guy has absolutely zero clue what he is representing!!
UMMMM!!!
The blue accents and strike industries comp are a huge miss