That is great - “pull across with the knee” is not something I have been taught in other track days, and I have tended to do the same lift and as the instability is noticeable (I weigh 110kg). For those of us in the Lamb Chops sizing, this is great. Every track day you learn something new.
Absolutely, it’s something I actually struggle with as I’m almost 130kg and about halfway into the session, my legs are knackered and I always revert to ‘lifting’ out the seat 🤦♂️ I need to shed some timber
@@teapotone Just watching and thinking the hip slide movement is also dependent on the quality and style of fabric - A covering the ass, and B the fabric of the seat - vinyl/rubber of sorts and polyester in the trou... and how easy one slides against the other. If there is too much stiction, because of mass and compression, (I am an engineer) then lifting the heavy lump off the seat and shifting is possibly the only option... just giving you an excuse LOL! Those Esses before the uphill, a bit pf timing and work getting through there... Planning on a Track Day soon myself on the old RT,... Graeme S NZ
@@teapotone As you clearly need to shed some, you will be pretty limited on what you can shed anyway. You are a big guy and you can't shrink, and consider that the beard alone is a baggage you can't remove. :D
@@teapotone body mass makes a difference. Depending on where I am with my cycling, work and pie-hole control my weight fluctuates from between 90 to 115kg, and fitness aside (and that does influence track days) I find it far easier to scoot about the moto when I am carrying less weight. Trick is the more I ride the moto the less I ride the bicycle and so the more I weigh.getting the balance is the challenge.
I like your accent mate!! New English for me. Είμαι Έλληνας. Please don't take me wrong. I did that school back in 2003. Three levels in Greece and the forth (advance one to one) at Silverstone. It is the absolute motorbike school. There is nothing close to it.
Ha Ha thanks bud, but it’s a ridiculously easy bike to ride relatively well 👍 I’ve done a few different ‘schools’ now for track riding, and the CSS is by far the best - hands down. If you want to learn and improve, they are the ones to go with
Nice one Bruce and full of good content as always. Shows the difference between "Roadcraft system" and track riding which are 2 completely different skills. A mate was a TD Instructor for years and found some Police riders the hardest to teach as they struggled to move away from the system that was ingrained in their riding. Done a couple of track days and on the next one will look at trying the hip flick, hook and pull up 👍
Cheers Rob, Aye I find my feet position is the hardest to switch - in the police I was taught to always ride with the instep on the pegs and my feet almost ‘duck’ position out. However on track I just end up drilling my toes into the ground. I always used to ride toes on pegs until I did the job course, now it’s ruined me 🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️
(Speaking as a retired bike cop and now track day rider..) One of the biggest hurdles the Cops face learning track riding is learning the front end of the bike. As riders, (and every bike Cop would have done multiple car courses first, where they are taught the same technique) they are very much taught to harness speed before a bend, gather it all up and then and only then enter on a balanced throttle. So as road riders they never develop the sensory skills of off gas and transferring weight to the front end of the bike on corner entry for grip and geometry. Most Cops don't understand the front of the bike!!
Nicely done and some excellent shots. Some seats are easier to slide on than others probably the same with higher vs lower bars. You looked pretty smooth when you were fresh but it is hard work and to difficult to concentrate when you get tired.
If Carlsberg did tutorial/educational videos… Fantastic insight into what to expect on these training days. I may have to watch it again whilst straddling the arm of the settee (bikes in winter storage) and leaning with you. I’ve only done the one track day, more booked this year, and was quite jealous of the more experienced guys getting their knees down. Although trying to myself I found that I lacked knowledge and technique thus lacking in confidence and of course not wanting to drop my bike. Just being able to take onboard the techniques you have given us here in your video and hopefully booking level 1 this year I already feel a slight confidence to enable to get my knee down next track day. Right, now back to watching again, leather suit and helmet on and on that settee arm lol.
Only just got around to watching this! Solid performance, and knee down! Banging! Did the Ron Haslam day a year or so ago, which was great but this looks way more involved! Still baffles me how the instructors can manage to still ride faster than I think is possible for me, whilst doing it one handed to tell me I need to move my fat arse out the seat more haha! Nice vid as always!
At last it's here👍🏻 Was looking out for this last year. I have level 3 booked for Brands in May and just cannot wait. It's been the best money I've ever spent on 'bikes' ever! Duncan taught me on loads on level 1 and Ty taught me loads on level 2, both these guys are 'salt of the earth' characters, they are so professional at what they do and have their eye focused on you every lap you do. Level 3 will give me the finishing touches to becoming fast, smooth and still be safe out there on track. Some folk like to spend loads on making the bike faster but no learning the fundamentals of riding on track. I don't need more power, just need to be able to use the186bhp my RSV4 dishes out on track mode and be consistent every lap. CSS do what they do so well that folks out there need to get signed up and at least get the first three levels under their belt. Great video Sir👍🏻 by the afternoon you were vastly improved, just drum it into your head to drop that inside shoulder and the rest will follow👍🏻
Great vid. Re body position I've always moved my upper body about to keep bike more upright especially on wet days but my bum is always firmly on the start. I might look into do this course.
"I don't like being overtaken." Haha - I just did CSS level 1, on my Versys 650...and all the people who brought their sportbikes, and the people who hired the S1000RRs were BLOWING past me on the straightaways. A good fair few weren't pulling away from me once we got into the tighter turns (a good few did, as well), but on those straightaways, there was nothing I could do.
Great stuff, good tips 'n all but I just love the Cadwell circuit. I'm gonna do one of these courses one day... not sure how the one gear sesh would work with my Zero electric, it'd be the only time I kept up with yon petrol buoys by the way, Och aye laddie!
That was a lovely long video Bruce thank you! And a great breakdown of what happens on the day too. Well done for pulling everything back together after being overtaken towards the end of the day... you must have been pretty frazzled by that point! I need to get myself signed up 😊
Top stuff! Sally and I love Cadwell Park. You need to experience the place on an F2 sidecar! I did! What are you doing on the 5th and 6th of August? I have a new challenge!! 😁😁👍
Ha Ha, you’re bloody determined to get me in a sidecar aren’t you Murt! 🤣 I’m free that weekend at the mo, but I leave on a trip early doors on the 7th so really only the 5th available at the moment
Excellent video Bruce. One of may favourite channels, which is both entertaining and educational. I see you are wearing a Helite ETurtle. I’m looking at an airbag vest and am interested to hear why you went for that one. Also did you go for the fork sensors?
Hi Steve, Glad you enjoyed the vid 👍 I went for the eturtle as I’m in the fortuitous position to be able to ride lots of different bikes, so having the tethered one just wasn’t practical. Plus I like the fact I can just turn on the vest and I don’t need to bother with the tether each time I get on/off a bike. I do have the fork sensors but haven’t installed them as yet
It seemed to me that you were floating your body outside your windshield on the turns. Greatly increasing your drag and possibly blowing you off your turn. That pointing your elbow down in the turn trick kept your body streamlined with the only thing in the wind being that elbow. That should allow you to keep more speed through the turn, IMHO. That is some good subtle training there. Riding to train your body to move like that instinctually looks like fun.
Great content and sounds like the instruction is at a decent level...be interesting to see if on level four they instruct the most important element of pick up....which makes a massive difference..the timing of the hip shift back to centre or across. You made a comment about unsettling the bike when shifting your hips....esily eradicated and will make you much faster and safer. On approach complete the shift before breaking begins.... move as far back in the seat as possible then shift before popping up...rolling off the throttle and breaking at the exact same moment...there's small margin for error here....where there isnt if you want to be as quick as possible is on exit. You must time the shift of the hips perfectly....the exact moment? Upshift. Pick the bike up ...as they say...get it on to the fat part of the tyre as soon as possible get to max throttle as soon as possible...all the while the harris can still be off the seat ...the head and chest can even start to go back...flat to the tank... but do not move the hips until the upshift. As you upshift under hard acceleration the geometry of the bike changes...it wants to wheelie...if it does... on a modern bike the electronics kick in... cut the throttle and you are done...if you shift the hips and put pressure on the pegs you will unsettle the bike casusing it to want to wheelie..again you are done...If you move the hips with split second timing of the upshift while staying flat on the tank the bike will be ultra stable...it will not be able to wheelie and you can accelerate with 100% throttle much sooner....as you upshift there is a tiny change in geometry and the front will dip giving you like a bump in the backside...use that impetuous and inertia to move. Even really quick guys that dont do this that then learn to will be 2-3 seconds a lap quicker . The harris cam on motogp is a great way to see this in motion. The riders hips will stay out sometimes halfway down a straight....this also allows a seriously advanced riding technique. With the bike at a slight angle the circumference of the tyre is less...the RPM go up quicker = faster on the straight...but thats a whole other conversation !!!...watch motogp riders...ever wondered why they weave coming out of a corner on to a on straight? When I got this right at Sliverstone on Hanger I was 7 tenths quicker and 8 mph faster top speed....one corner...one straight.
@TeapotOne you're welcome mate....it sounds like a lit ...but in practice it's very simple....no different to what you are doing...we all shift....it just comes down to when...give it a bash you'll be amazed the difference it makes ...even on the GS....in principle when it comes to physics and how they affect geometry...all bikes are the same. I've been riding off and on road since I was 5....family/kidd kept me off track for a few years the I lost my licene to a stroke in 2018. Had to do everything again last year to get it back and am now learning again....suffice to say the track is now a very different place on the new bikes. My old 1098r in my avatar doesn't have any electronics so have to focus on everything to be quick....and safe 😆
Mr Teapot, Sir. Is there a video of the level 4 at all? I’m looking at these through the playlist section. Really enjoying the videos - shame none of these schools are in the north and all 3.5+ hours away. Looks amazing
Cheers Nick, You’d be hard pushed to do that much quicker on a GS to be honest - it’s naturally a slow part of the course but I was very conscious that the GS is a big, heavy lummocks and just didn’t want to push my luck 👍
So is this the experience a person would receive as a new learner? Just cruise around getting the tires warm and then get instructions on what to change to improve? Been tossing the idea around about going to a riding school here.
Hi Cliff, It’s a race school bud, for people who want to get better at track riding/racing. If you want to get better for road riding then I’d recommend RAPID, or even just a BikeSafe course initially 👍
Re: Helmet cams - 2 problems. Depending on the strength of the mount, if you come off and slide, the camera/mount can grip the tarmac/dirt, dig in and turn/twist your neck. Secondly, they reckon Michael Schumacher had his catastrophic injury from hitting his head on a rock while skiing and the camera mount stressed and pierced his helmet, compromising the structure and causing the head injury.
Bruce, really enjoyed the video, just one question in the Police force do the motorcycle riders do any of this type of training, because when you see them ride it appears like they are in a sea of calm, but going like stink. Thank you.
Cheers Stephen, no we don’t do track work, but when you do your motorcycle course you’re riding at maximum speed for the conditions and situations on public roads - you learn to utilise the ‘system’ of roadcraft whilst lifting your vision and planning your moves, which makes your riding smoother and faster.
Mr Whisky M8 here - Well I don’t know how I missed this one . Wasn’t going to comment as I wasn’t too sure what to say - many thoughts so think I’ll just list them numerically - 1. Seeing you do this on a n adventure bike is just - well - brave , different and so inspiring ( got a 1290 adventure ) you make the impossible possible and more or less you were keeping up with many of the sports bikes. 2. Your a bloody good rider and will be even better for this experience. Screw the money u defo did the right thing leaving the old bill - u r living ur best life . 3. I’ve got a pretty good life but it looks like a pile of dog shit next to yours - 4. The places you have been and the people u have met and the things you have done leaves me a bit jealous - but in a good way - and I speak of someone who has biked for 43 years and have riden in 18 countries ( Ireland for 2023) couldn’t be happier for you . BTW U passed my front door when u took that ferry from Gourock to Dunoon . Next time you got to drop in ( Gleddoch) got a mental cv but you have got the gold medal - keep it coming ya big bearded icon - Live your Life indeed we should have a dram sometime got a lot in common - ie Strathclyde Uni and old bill north and south of the border - and yes I’m also the prosthetics guy - How is Martin Y these days 👍”🥃”…
Ha Ha, mate thank you VERY much for all that, I’m genuinely humbled and happy. Life is a weird one isn’t it, you never quite know what it’s going to throw you next, or where it may take you. Just enjoy the adventure! 100% on the dram 👏👍 Ps - the Pirate is good thanks
Cheers haha. i meant to add because i just like to see how fast ur going. & being in Newcastle UK im in MPH. although i can convert in my head....its a slow process haha.
Cheers Scott, just used standard road pressures here - 36 front, 42 rear. They started to get too hot right in the last session when I was really pushing it (for me), but otherwise we’re absolutely fine. The next day I did Level 4 and lowered the pressures for that, but the bike really didn’t feel good tbh, I’d just stay with road pressures in future I think
hi scott i run decent sport rubber on my TLS and road pressure as I remind myself its just track day fun, my race days are years behind me and TD are just fun. Some guys get too serious with their set but each to there own.
Love to do one of these days, but having spent £2K on textile airbag riding kit. Do I need leathers to ride on the track? that makes it a very expensive day.
Yes you do need leathers, most UK tracks require leathers which also zip together for at least 3/4 of the waist, plus back protectors or airbag vests are now mandatory on most circuits now.
I can understand you doing track days , I sure it’s very enjoyable but why would you do it on your very expensive GS , if you drop it trying to corner fast on a racetrack it’s very expensive to repair? Would it not be better to get a track bike like a second hand sports bike. To me your GS is a fantastic tourer not really a track bike , but it’s just my opinion of course it’s entirely up to you .😊
Do you have to wear leathers for this school? Don’t own any and it’s a obvious extra expense 😒 Really want to get on track to improve my body position in corners on my adventure bike.
Yeah you will do for sure. It's extra expense for sure but my sister came off earlier this year at a high speed and she had no injuries at all (at Silverstone)
@@deanodrives4966 oh I understand leathers are better but for road riding and touring I went warm and dry. I’ll just buy leathers and do a trackday and see how I get on, I’ll be nearly at £1000 for the school and leathers 🤣
Yep, MUST have leathers for a UK trackday and they must fasten together by a zip for at least 3/4 of the way around your waist. You also need a back protector or airbag vest now for most UK tracks
I do a couple of road loops of a few hundred kilometres around where I live, with some nice tight-ish twisties. I often set off 7am of a Saturday to avoid the traffic. Riding briskly through the corners on my s1000r I am rarely caught or overtaken, with one exception. - this guy in his 60s on his 1200 GS seems to catch me and get past me effortlessly. I am not doing anything stupid and nor is he, but it is clear he is a far better rider than me, he is in tune with his bike better than me, and while his GS is not as capable as the S, it is immensely capable in better hands. Always smile when I see him catching me, and the way he gets past me is smooth and confident. I even changed my loop one Saturday to do a run down the Putty Rd, and he was doing the same. It is about the rider not the machine!
You massively hindered yourself on the GS, you would do better to learn this stuff on a sports bike /clip-on / bent over bike first, perfect it, then see what you can translate to a upright, straight bar bike… dropping your elbow with a upright back and straight bars is almost impossible, same for moving on the seat from one side to another.mI am not say-the GS cannot be fun on track but your body isn’t in the correct position to achieve the learning points…. Do it again on your R1 or a loan S1000RR and you will see what they were teaching isn’t hard 👍
I an laughing at your riding and thinking what I would be doing after 50 years of riding. Makes me think you are no longer young and invincible. I'm worse by the way and older.
Great info, thanks Bruce. I completed level 1 & 2 of the Rapid Pro course last year , which I thought was excellent. Thinking of completing Rapid Pro level 3 and then moving onto the Cali School course after watching this 👍
Hello bud, Nice one, I did a day with Rapid out on the roads last year - still have to edit that one too 🤦♂️ Fantastic tuition, best road-based training I’ve ever done outside of the old bill. Not done their track-based stuff though, but I’ve seen their riders in BsB and IOM TT, so they obviously know their stuff 😉👍
All fine and well, but please don't use these lessons on public roads... No need to shift your butt, it's just plain stupid to do that on public roads especially on a GS
@@teapotone Why?.. wow. There are just too many reasons why not on public roads to mention here in a reaction. Please follow an advanced riding course on public roads and you will know, Trackdays are fine, but do not use those skills on public roads, it will get you killed.
I’ll guarantee I’m trained to a high standard. You can use any of these techniques on public roads, obviously the severity of lean of both bike and rider will not need to be as extreme, but… for eg: If you are riding on cold, wet roads, then by keeping the bike upright more but moving your body weight off the bike, you will allow more of the tyre contact patch with the road, this more grip. That’s only one. Biking is for each rider to ride the way they feel comfortable. I wish people would stop imposing their own comfort zone limits on others - you may not want/like to ride this way, but others do.
@@teapotone So counterleaning gives us improved balance, vision, breaking and stability. Furthermore you can react quicker to hazardous situations on public roads, that are common. Should I go on... I can name a few more if you wish. So leaning in is all fine on closed track, and all trackdays will teach you that. But... it's certainly not the best, fastest or safest way on public roads. Any road training will tell you that. I had all kinds of trainings, from trackdays (I have a racing license) to advanced road and cornering technique on public roads.
You should get a big discount on the new 1300 GS Bruce, you're the best salesman they ever had. 😂👍
Ha Ha thanks Robert - but I don’t hear a peep from BMW these days 🤷♂️👍
That is great - “pull across with the knee” is not something I have been taught in other track days, and I have tended to do the same lift and as the instability is noticeable (I weigh 110kg). For those of us in the Lamb Chops sizing, this is great. Every track day you learn something new.
Absolutely, it’s something I actually struggle with as I’m almost 130kg and about halfway into the session, my legs are knackered and I always revert to ‘lifting’ out the seat 🤦♂️
I need to shed some timber
@@teapotone Just watching and thinking the hip slide movement is also dependent on the quality and style of fabric - A covering the ass, and B the fabric of the seat - vinyl/rubber of sorts and polyester in the trou... and how easy one slides against the other. If there is too much stiction, because of mass and compression, (I am an engineer) then lifting the heavy lump off the seat and shifting is possibly the only option... just giving you an excuse LOL! Those Esses before the uphill, a bit pf timing and work getting through there... Planning on a Track Day soon myself on the old RT,... Graeme S NZ
@@teapotone As you clearly need to shed some, you will be pretty limited on what you can shed anyway.
You are a big guy and you can't shrink, and consider that the beard alone is a baggage you can't remove. :D
@@teapotone body mass makes a difference. Depending on where I am with my cycling, work and pie-hole control my weight fluctuates from between 90 to 115kg, and fitness aside (and that does influence track days) I find it far easier to scoot about the moto when I am carrying less weight. Trick is the more I ride the moto the less I ride the bicycle and so the more I weigh.getting the balance is the challenge.
Man this is content at its best! Educational, well edited and fantastic visuals. Love it man 👌
Cheers Brad, much appreciated bud 👍
I took my my Africa Twin to a school, fun! Glad you did the GS
I like your accent mate!! New English for me. Είμαι Έλληνας. Please don't take me wrong.
I did that school back in 2003. Three levels in Greece and the forth (advance one to one) at Silverstone. It is the absolute motorbike school. There is nothing close to it.
gonna have to do it. Looks great fun.
When you mentioned working on fitness and flexibility I hit the like button.
What a fantastic looking track. Love the rolling hills. The tracks near me are surrounded by concrete.
Aye Cadwell is one of my favourites 👍
Great video educational and informative. A lot of efficiencies on safety bravo🙏 and thanks a million
great stuff ! did the kieth code thing 100 years ago , and it's definitely time to do it again
Always something to learn and what a track! A trip over the pond is needed. Cheers from the colonies.
I have never done a track day, I think I might try it this year. Smart you ride that GS very well pal 👍
Ha Ha thanks bud, but it’s a ridiculously easy bike to ride relatively well 👍
I’ve done a few different ‘schools’ now for track riding, and the CSS is by far the best - hands down. If you want to learn and improve, they are the ones to go with
Go for it.
@@teapotone I shall give them a shout pal 🤘
Good work Bruce. 2023 needs the old Gixxer dusting off and bringing back to life. Now that would make a good track day video 👍
It’s coming… I’ll be getting the BEAST back on the road this year, been chatting about it on my ‘Bru Time’ podcast 👍
@@teapotone Oh yes can’t wait for this 👍.
Would love to see the beast back Bruce! How cool to have a track bike that you rid around the world!
This looks like so much fun, I need to find a class like this near me
Nice one Bruce and full of good content as always. Shows the difference between "Roadcraft system" and track riding which are 2 completely different skills. A mate was a TD Instructor for years and found some Police riders the hardest to teach as they struggled to move away from the system that was ingrained in their riding. Done a couple of track days and on the next one will look at trying the hip flick, hook and pull up 👍
Cheers Rob,
Aye I find my feet position is the hardest to switch - in the police I was taught to always ride with the instep on the pegs and my feet almost ‘duck’ position out. However on track I just end up drilling my toes into the ground.
I always used to ride toes on pegs until I did the job course, now it’s ruined me 🤣🤦♂️🤷♂️
(Speaking as a retired bike cop and now track day rider..) One of the biggest hurdles the Cops face learning track riding is learning the front end of the bike. As riders, (and every bike Cop would have done multiple car courses first, where they are taught the same technique) they are very much taught to harness speed before a bend, gather it all up and then and only then enter on a balanced throttle. So as road riders they never develop the sensory skills of off gas and transferring weight to the front end of the bike on corner entry for grip and geometry. Most Cops don't understand the front of the bike!!
Nicely done and some excellent shots. Some seats are easier to slide on than others probably the same with higher vs lower bars. You looked pretty smooth when you were fresh but it is hard work and to difficult to concentrate when you get tired.
Thanks bud, aye I definitely need to work on fitness 👍
I saw this and i remember the TT Isle of Man, how can do quick corners at high speed. It´s impressive.
Very good video. Cheers guys.
Thanks bud, glad you enjoyed it 👍
If Carlsberg did tutorial/educational videos… Fantastic insight into what to expect on these training days. I may have to watch it again whilst straddling the arm of the settee (bikes in winter storage) and leaning with you. I’ve only done the one track day, more booked this year, and was quite jealous of the more experienced guys getting their knees down. Although trying to myself I found that I lacked knowledge and technique thus lacking in confidence and of course not wanting to drop my bike. Just being able to take onboard the techniques you have given us here in your video and hopefully booking level 1 this year I already feel a slight confidence to enable to get my knee down next track day. Right, now back to watching again, leather suit and helmet on and on that settee arm lol.
Ha Ha cheers Pete! 🤣👍
Great video brother!
Thanks bud 👍
Loved every minute of it and can't wait to see more . We'll done Bruce and all involved.
Only just got around to watching this! Solid performance, and knee down! Banging!
Did the Ron Haslam day a year or so ago, which was great but this looks way more involved! Still baffles me how the instructors can manage to still ride faster than I think is possible for me, whilst doing it one handed to tell me I need to move my fat arse out the seat more haha! Nice vid as always!
Ha Ha yeah and they look BACKWARDS at you as they do all that?!?! 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤣
Cheers Sam
Found myself leaning with you Bruce, my neck is killing me !!!!!
Ha Ha, I feel your pain, I’ve spent the last 6 days sat watching, rewatching, and rewatching again and again and again 🤦♂️🤣
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Fair play on a GS.. no doubt, a lot easier to do on a sportier bike.. instructor was superb
Cheers Jamie
Nicely done
At last it's here👍🏻 Was looking out for this last year. I have level 3 booked for Brands in May and just cannot wait. It's been the best money I've ever spent on 'bikes' ever! Duncan taught me on loads on level 1 and Ty taught me loads on level 2, both these guys are 'salt of the earth' characters, they are so professional at what they do and have their eye focused on you every lap you do. Level 3 will give me the finishing touches to becoming fast, smooth and still be safe out there on track. Some folk like to spend loads on making the bike faster but no learning the fundamentals of riding on track. I don't need more power, just need to be able to use the186bhp my RSV4 dishes out on track mode and be consistent every lap. CSS do what they do so well that folks out there need to get signed up and at least get the first three levels under their belt. Great video Sir👍🏻 by the afternoon you were vastly improved, just drum it into your head to drop that inside shoulder and the rest will follow👍🏻
Cheers Gio 👍
Great vid. Re body position I've always moved my upper body about to keep bike more upright especially on wet days but my bum is always firmly on the start. I might look into do this course.
The knee on the tank was taught to us at Honda of Colton MSF.
Instant sub. Informative without a hint of cockiness. You sir are a legend
Thanks very much bud, glad you enjoyed it, and welcome to the channel 👍
Great series and we'll explained 👍
"I don't like being overtaken."
Haha - I just did CSS level 1, on my Versys 650...and all the people who brought their sportbikes, and the people who hired the S1000RRs were BLOWING past me on the straightaways. A good fair few weren't pulling away from me once we got into the tighter turns (a good few did, as well), but on those straightaways, there was nothing I could do.
Fantastic video absolutely brilliant 👍
Thanks bud 👍
Great stuff, good tips 'n all but I just love the Cadwell circuit. I'm gonna do one of these courses one day... not sure how the one gear sesh would work with my Zero electric, it'd be the only time I kept up with yon petrol buoys by the way, Och aye laddie!
Learnt a lot from this thankyou
Nice one, cheers Matt 👍
That was a lovely long video Bruce thank you! And a great breakdown of what happens on the day too. Well done for pulling everything back together after being overtaken towards the end of the day... you must have been pretty frazzled by that point! I need to get myself signed up 😊
Cheers Rikky👍
Had to do a double take yesterday, your doppelgänger is working at Sycamore in Motorad sales BMW in Witham Essex!
Ha Ha - I’ll have to pay a visit and make sure it’s not me then!!! 😉👍
Brilliant video
Cheers 👍
Looked like loads of fun brother!
Cheers Bob, it was! 👍
Top stuff! Sally and I love Cadwell Park. You need to experience the place on an F2 sidecar! I did! What are you doing on the 5th and 6th of August? I have a new challenge!! 😁😁👍
Ha Ha, you’re bloody determined to get me in a sidecar aren’t you Murt! 🤣
I’m free that weekend at the mo, but I leave on a trip early doors on the 7th so really only the 5th available at the moment
what an advert for the GS. quality fella. well done you. imagine if you had got the ktm😆😆
Ha Ha… the thought has crossed my mind a few times 🤔😉
Excellent video Bruce. One of may favourite channels, which is both entertaining and educational.
I see you are wearing a Helite ETurtle. I’m looking at an airbag vest and am interested to hear why you went for that one. Also did you go for the fork sensors?
Hi Steve,
Glad you enjoyed the vid 👍
I went for the eturtle as I’m in the fortuitous position to be able to ride lots of different bikes, so having the tethered one just wasn’t practical. Plus I like the fact I can just turn on the vest and I don’t need to bother with the tether each time I get on/off a bike.
I do have the fork sensors but haven’t installed them as yet
It seemed to me that you were floating your body outside your windshield on the turns. Greatly increasing your drag and possibly blowing you off your turn. That pointing your elbow down in the turn trick kept your body streamlined with the only thing in the wind being that elbow. That should allow you to keep more speed through the turn, IMHO. That is some good subtle training there. Riding to train your body to move like that instinctually looks like fun.
Great content and sounds like the instruction is at a decent level...be interesting to see if on level four they instruct the most important element of pick up....which makes a massive difference..the timing of the hip shift back to centre or across. You made a comment about unsettling the bike when shifting your hips....esily eradicated and will make you much faster and safer. On approach complete the shift before breaking begins.... move as far back in the seat as possible then shift before popping up...rolling off the throttle and breaking at the exact same moment...there's small margin for error here....where there isnt if you want to be as quick as possible is on exit. You must time the shift of the hips perfectly....the exact moment? Upshift. Pick the bike up ...as they say...get it on to the fat part of the tyre as soon as possible get to max throttle as soon as possible...all the while the harris can still be off the seat ...the head and chest can even start to go back...flat to the tank... but do not move the hips until the upshift. As you upshift under hard acceleration the geometry of the bike changes...it wants to wheelie...if it does... on a modern bike the electronics kick in... cut the throttle and you are done...if you shift the hips and put pressure on the pegs you will unsettle the bike casusing it to want to wheelie..again you are done...If you move the hips with split second timing of the upshift while staying flat on the tank the bike will be ultra stable...it will not be able to wheelie and you can accelerate with 100% throttle much sooner....as you upshift there is a tiny change in geometry and the front will dip giving you like a bump in the backside...use that impetuous and inertia to move. Even really quick guys that dont do this that then learn to will be 2-3 seconds a lap quicker . The harris cam on motogp is a great way to see this in motion. The riders hips will stay out sometimes halfway down a straight....this also allows a seriously advanced riding technique. With the bike at a slight angle the circumference of the tyre is less...the RPM go up quicker = faster on the straight...but thats a whole other conversation !!!...watch motogp riders...ever wondered why they weave coming out of a corner on to a on straight? When I got this right at Sliverstone on Hanger I was 7 tenths quicker and 8 mph faster top speed....one corner...one straight.
Wow bud, thanks very much for all that info! Bit above my level at the mo but certainly useful 👍👏
Much appreciated
@TeapotOne you're welcome mate....it sounds like a lit ...but in practice it's very simple....no different to what you are doing...we all shift....it just comes down to when...give it a bash you'll be amazed the difference it makes ...even on the GS....in principle when it comes to physics and how they affect geometry...all bikes are the same. I've been riding off and on road since I was 5....family/kidd kept me off track for a few years the I lost my licene to a stroke in 2018. Had to do everything again last year to get it back and am now learning again....suffice to say the track is now a very different place on the new bikes. My old 1098r in my avatar doesn't have any electronics so have to focus on everything to be quick....and safe 😆
Gotta love CSS 👍
Looks like the big lad on the GS is holding his own!
Mr Teapot, Sir. Is there a video of the level 4 at all? I’m looking at these through the playlist section. Really enjoying the videos - shame none of these schools are in the north and all 3.5+ hours away. Looks amazing
Lady “bring it home with a smile”
Bruce “death or glory. Woohaaaaa”
😉🤣👍
Great Work. Excellent
Thanks very much 👍
Love this. Always learning. Even my fat butt on a Goldwing.
👏👍
I did my California Superbike School at Philip Island with some dude called Keith Code. some time ago now.
Ha Ha - well if you’re going to do it with anyone, then the GOAT is surely the one 👏👍
Wish this California Superbike School is in California so that I can attend too.
Watches on patron loved it mate
Thanks Brett, glad you enjoyed it bud 👍
What was it about that R-L kicker Bruce?... that twitched you every time (bar the last run).
Great riding though, doing the GSers proud 🤘
Cheers Nick,
You’d be hard pushed to do that much quicker on a GS to be honest - it’s naturally a slow part of the course but I was very conscious that the GS is a big, heavy lummocks and just didn’t want to push my luck 👍
I suppose a big challenge is trying to do sportsbike body position and riding on a GS, it would mess with my head tbh!
Aye there’s definitely limitations from the bike, but it’s still far above mine personally 👍
@@teapotone I had a play about today on the way in with some of it and I feel the flexibility bit a little too well 😂👍 great video bud.
Imagine them seeing you arriving : « Uh, Houston, we have a problem : some big lad with a tractor is trying to get in 😱”
Great vid 👍
Ha Ha, yeah I do get some looks when I turn up at a track on the old tractor 🚜 🤣👍
holy crap that's a nice bike
So is this the experience a person would receive as a new learner? Just cruise around getting the tires warm and then get instructions on what to change to improve? Been tossing the idea around about going to a riding school here.
Hi Cliff,
It’s a race school bud, for people who want to get better at track riding/racing.
If you want to get better for road riding then I’d recommend RAPID, or even just a BikeSafe course initially 👍
My local track, 20mls away from me 👍🤘
Love Cadwell, great fun 👍
Re: Helmet cams - 2 problems. Depending on the strength of the mount, if you come off and slide, the camera/mount can grip the tarmac/dirt, dig in and turn/twist your neck. Secondly, they reckon Michael Schumacher had his catastrophic injury from hitting his head on a rock while skiing and the camera mount stressed and pierced his helmet, compromising the structure and causing the head injury.
Yep the Schumacher incident is what triggered all the paranoia around helmet cams
Bruce, really enjoyed the video, just one question in the Police force do the motorcycle riders do any of this type of training, because when you see them ride it appears like they are in a sea of calm, but going like stink. Thank you.
Cheers Stephen, no we don’t do track work, but when you do your motorcycle course you’re riding at maximum speed for the conditions and situations on public roads - you learn to utilise the ‘system’ of roadcraft whilst lifting your vision and planning your moves, which makes your riding smoother and faster.
Agreed or you can gradually learn by your mistakes, assuming they're not too bad!
Despatch rider for thirty one years and survived....... 😐
Mr Whisky M8 here - Well I don’t know how I missed this one . Wasn’t going to comment as I wasn’t too sure what to say - many thoughts so think I’ll just list them numerically - 1. Seeing you do this on a n adventure bike is just - well - brave , different and so inspiring ( got a 1290 adventure ) you make the impossible possible and more or less you were keeping up with many of the sports bikes. 2. Your a bloody good rider and will be even better for this experience. Screw the money u defo did the right thing leaving the old bill - u r living ur best life . 3. I’ve got a pretty good life but it looks like a pile of dog shit next to yours - 4. The places you have been and the people u have met and the things you have done leaves me a bit jealous - but in a good way - and I speak of someone who has biked for 43 years and have riden in 18 countries ( Ireland for 2023) couldn’t be happier for you . BTW U passed my front door when u took that ferry from Gourock to Dunoon . Next time you got to drop in ( Gleddoch) got a mental cv but you have got the gold medal - keep it coming ya big bearded icon - Live your Life indeed we should have a dram sometime got a lot in common - ie Strathclyde Uni and old bill north and south of the border - and yes I’m also the prosthetics guy - How is Martin Y these days 👍”🥃”…
Ha Ha, mate thank you VERY much for all that, I’m genuinely humbled and happy.
Life is a weird one isn’t it, you never quite know what it’s going to throw you next, or where it may take you.
Just enjoy the adventure!
100% on the dram 👏👍
Ps - the Pirate is good thanks
Free board and lodgings here at Gleddoch ( Langbank ) anytime big guy. Be my pleasure . “🥃”..
Interesting seeing your thoughts on it all Bruce. It must be difficult to do the transitions on a touring seat rather than a sports seat?
Aye that certainly has an impact, as do the higher, flatter bars too - but I’m still very unfit and inflexible 🤣🤦♂️👍
@@teapotone snap lol... even getting g my socks on is a struggle some mornings 🤣
Ha Ha, I’m right there with you brother! 🥵🤣👍
💜I Love Lean💜
That was interesting 🤓👍🏻😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦, no need for track days on a big ultra limited lol be crapping around every corner 😂
This is what commuters learn when they’re late for work.
Great video.🖒
Can the speed on the forward camera be be in MPH as well as or instead of kph.
Yep, you just change it in the app
Cheers haha. i meant to add because i just like to see how fast ur going. & being in Newcastle UK im in MPH. although i can convert in my head....its a slow process haha.
Good effort Bruce. Did you adjust the tyre pressures for the event or did you run on the same pressures as rod use??
Cheers Scott, just used standard road pressures here - 36 front, 42 rear.
They started to get too hot right in the last session when I was really pushing it (for me), but otherwise we’re absolutely fine.
The next day I did Level 4 and lowered the pressures for that, but the bike really didn’t feel good tbh, I’d just stay with road pressures in future I think
hi scott i run decent sport rubber on my TLS and road pressure as I remind myself its just track day fun, my race days are years behind me and TD are just fun. Some guys get too serious with their set but each to there own.
Great but wheres the link to you doing Level 4. You said about it but can't find it
Love to do one of these days, but having spent £2K on textile airbag riding kit. Do I need leathers to ride on the track? that makes it a very expensive day.
Yes you do need leathers, most UK tracks require leathers which also zip together for at least 3/4 of the waist, plus back protectors or airbag vests are now mandatory on most circuits now.
Would love this Bruce, but it’s a bit out of my price range £495 a day it’s saying 😩
You get what you pay for bud - but I do appreciate it’s a lot of money.
Which track is that? It can't be Cadwell, because the sun is shining...
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
What tyrepessure did you have front and rear?
Standard road pressures - 36 front, 42 rear
me just watching and wathcing and noticing waiittt i know this track ik this track i been on it in ride 4 lmao
Looks like the big
Not to get the old Gsxr out of the garage, & spruce it up for days like that .
I can understand you doing track days , I sure it’s very enjoyable but why would you do it on your very expensive GS , if you drop it trying to corner fast on a racetrack it’s very expensive to repair? Would it not be better to get a track bike like a second hand sports bike. To me your GS is a fantastic tourer not really a track bike , but it’s just my opinion of course it’s entirely up to you .😊
Do you have to wear leathers for this school?
Don’t own any and it’s a obvious extra expense 😒
Really want to get on track to improve my body position in corners on my adventure bike.
Yeah you will do for sure. It's extra expense for sure but my sister came off earlier this year at a high speed and she had no injuries at all (at Silverstone)
@@deanodrives4966 oh I understand leathers are better but for road riding and touring I went warm and dry.
I’ll just buy leathers and do a trackday and see how I get on, I’ll be nearly at £1000 for the school and leathers 🤣
@@robertholmes8795 once you get them you're sorted for a long time. Track days are the best type of riding for sure
Yep, MUST have leathers for a UK trackday and they must fasten together by a zip for at least 3/4 of the way around your waist.
You also need a back protector or airbag vest now for most UK tracks
@@robertholmes8795 you'll need a lever guard for the front brake too
Anyone knows what are the noise levels? Would my S1000XR with decat be ok?
Should be fine, it’s 105db static noise test at the very start of the day and there’s no drive-by noise tests on track.
@@teapotone sound. Thx a lot 😎
You need a sports bike Bruce. Every man should have at least two or three bikes
I’ve got the BEAST, she’ll be back on the road this year all going well 👍
I do a couple of road loops of a few hundred kilometres around where I live, with some nice tight-ish twisties. I often set off 7am of a Saturday to avoid the traffic. Riding briskly through the corners on my s1000r I am rarely caught or overtaken, with one exception. - this guy in his 60s on his 1200 GS seems to catch me and get past me effortlessly. I am not doing anything stupid and nor is he, but it is clear he is a far better rider than me, he is in tune with his bike better than me, and while his GS is not as capable as the S, it is immensely capable in better hands. Always smile when I see him catching me, and the way he gets past me is smooth and confident. I even changed my loop one Saturday to do a run down the Putty Rd, and he was doing the same. It is about the rider not the machine!
Stop thinking and go...
So says retired AFM, CCS
You massively hindered yourself on the GS, you would do better to learn this stuff on a sports bike /clip-on / bent over bike first, perfect it, then see what you can translate to a upright, straight bar bike… dropping your elbow with a upright back and straight bars is almost impossible, same for moving on the seat from one side to another.mI am not say-the GS cannot be fun on track but your body isn’t in the correct position to achieve the learning points…. Do it again on your R1 or a loan S1000RR and you will see what they were teaching isn’t hard 👍
Exactly this, that GS was killing you... no help at all.
No offence.
Don’t lean countersteer!
You pretty much ALWAYS countersteer on a bike, unless you’re going walking speed
I an laughing at your riding and thinking what I would be doing after 50 years of riding. Makes me think you are no longer young and invincible. I'm worse by the way and older.
Anither cracker min.
Cheers loon 👍
Great info, thanks Bruce. I completed level 1 & 2 of the Rapid Pro course last year , which I thought was excellent. Thinking of completing Rapid Pro level 3 and then moving onto the Cali School course after watching this 👍
Hello bud,
Nice one, I did a day with Rapid out on the roads last year - still have to edit that one too 🤦♂️
Fantastic tuition, best road-based training I’ve ever done outside of the old bill.
Not done their track-based stuff though, but I’ve seen their riders in BsB and IOM TT, so they obviously know their stuff 😉👍
All fine and well, but please don't use these lessons on public roads... No need to shift your butt, it's just plain stupid to do that on public roads especially on a GS
Why?
@@teapotone Why?.. wow. There are just too many reasons why not on public roads to mention here in a reaction. Please follow an advanced riding course on public roads and you will know, Trackdays are fine, but do not use those skills on public roads, it will get you killed.
I’ll guarantee I’m trained to a high standard. You can use any of these techniques on public roads, obviously the severity of lean of both bike and rider will not need to be as extreme, but… for eg:
If you are riding on cold, wet roads, then by keeping the bike upright more but moving your body weight off the bike, you will allow more of the tyre contact patch with the road, this more grip.
That’s only one.
Biking is for each rider to ride the way they feel comfortable. I wish people would stop imposing their own comfort zone limits on others - you may not want/like to ride this way, but others do.
@@teapotone So counterleaning gives us improved balance, vision, breaking and stability. Furthermore you can react quicker to hazardous situations on public roads, that are common. Should I go on... I can name a few more if you wish. So leaning in is all fine on closed track, and all trackdays will teach you that. But... it's certainly not the best, fastest or safest way on public roads. Any road training will tell you that. I had all kinds of trainings, from trackdays (I have a racing license) to advanced road and cornering technique on public roads.
Biggest waste of money there is.
Wow that is a wee narrow track in some spots! Is that so narrow that 2 cars could not have room to overtake? You best be precise with your trackcraft.