What sort of details would you like to see out of a deep dive into the 3rd Wave synth? Let us know in the comments, and be sure to pick up your own cutting-edge wavetable synthesizer 👉 sweetwater.sjv.io/3rdWave
Well, my list is long, but for me the modulation matrix is my top interest, plus the creation of new wavetables, integration of the modulation matrix with the onboard effects, pad creation, leads, other worldly type sounds, and ofcourse foldback waveform synthesis.
This synth sounds amazingly glorious, not sure there's anything else like it in existence at the moment, Groove Synthesis has created a total masterpiece !
Thank you, Ace. We appreciate that very much. We poured out hearts and souls into the 3rd Wave and this kind of praise from synth folks like yourself means everything to us.
This demo was better than some complete albums and the sounds this thing makes is extraordinary. Although some have said that the effects are OK and that external ones are better the way Daniel was playing them, as well as the synth really did make this shine. The best demo of this synth and its capabilities I have heard so far by a long way.
I've played the Oberheim OB-X8 and had my heart set on getting one. However, this 3rd Wave sounds phenomenal and has so much more to offer for the same amount of money as the OB-X8. It's amazing versatile and sounds unlike anything I currently own. With that said, one of the patches Daniel played in this video sounded so emotional I really felt it deep down. That is a reaction I don't always get from a synth. Daniel's excellent playing really shows some of the potential of this amazing synth and that's just scratching the surface of what this powerful beast can do. I think this synth is well worth it's asking price and I really hope to own one someday. I'd honestly choose this over the OB-X8 considering the other synths I already own if I had to choose between the two.
I think i'm with you on this one. My heart was set on the OB-X8 and a Waldorf M. I've started watching videos on this 3rd Wave and i'm really really impressed. It can do wavetable/PPG stuff amazingly but also the VA stuff is on pair with a lot of analog poly. I'm pretty sure this will be my 2023 synth purchase. I'm waiting for another 3rd wave video which will be out in a few days and then i'll take my shot.
I was lucky to get one of the very first 3rd Waves in August last year. And at the initial price too. I put my pre-order in May ‘22 immediately after learning about these guys and what they had in their hands. Later I bought the OBX8, and I have to say the 3rd Wave is the best “modern” synth in the market. It is much more then a PPG remake attempt.
Thanks for your kind words.We're gratified to hear such praise. It makes it all worth it. We're really just 6 synth geeks at heart and love synths as much as we love making them..
@Groove Synthesis Mark You're very welcome. Thank you all for bringing such a fantastic product to the market. I highly appreciate the work you do as well as your passion for what you create. I can clearly tell you poured your hearts into the 3rd Wave. The sound of it speaks for itself.
Because I'm old, I own all of them. An M, an OBX-8 and a 3rd Wave. The 3rd Wave is the Winner. : ) Much more versatile. A truly breakthrough synth versus the others, which are really solid, but don't offer any where near what the 3rd Wave Offers. Hope this helps. Good Luck!
@@sweetwater It was your demonstration that curved me into a purchase. When you are artistic and knowledgeable about a product like this, it becomes the deciding factor in making the purchase. You see, with your talents, skills and knowledge about a product, people like myself really want to know the truth about what's under the hood, (what it can really do). For many of us it's the deciding factor in pullin the trigger on expensive purchases. That's why I can only watch maybe two of your videos a year because I'd buy EVERYTHING! Oh, and end up in the doghouse several time a year. 😂
@@lenochod7950 that’s one of those questions with wrong answers only. The 3rd Wave is very deep but sonically quite distinct from the JP8 or DX5. I haven’t played either, so making a comparison is basically impossible. I do own an ISE-NIN and a TX-802, so it’s not impossible to speculate. The 3W is a monster, and is both easier to program than a 6-op Yamaha and deeper than the Roland. And it sounds absolutely fantastic. UA-cam doesn’t do the sound justice.
Thanks Mr Fisher. Lovely instrument! Love the tripbute to PPG wave but yea the price is out there but you get a lot for the money. If you want cheaper synths kind alike it, Hydrasynth and Modwave would be contenders.
Looks and sounds (mostly) great! Thank you for the demo. But why are so many sounds so distorted? Also lots of non-pleasing aliasing at times, especially when several keys are depressed. Is that internal overload in the Synth mixer or external with the preamp from the camera?
Hi steme 2007. The distortion is on me as I was trying lots of things with the Saturation knob in the filter section.The brief aliasing was external. -_Daniel_
@Phoenix Landing Studio: I'm curious too. Although, Opsix is a totally different synth (based on FM, instead of wavetable). Maybe you mean the Modwave? The Cobalt differs due to the algorithms, but sound wise I'm curious too. I guess the Hydrasynth with the new 2.0 firmware comes mighty close, for a fraction of the price, even the Deluxe. And then you even get PolyAT, instead of channelAT (MonoAT)!
@@GertBoers Probably the most “similar” in wavetable capability from cheapest to most expensive are the Modwave, Sledge (surprise entry, it has Waldorf’s wavetables on board), Hydrasynth, and the Iridium and Quantum(s).
Hi Christopher. That's on me. I was really enjoying the Saturation knob in the Filter section and it doesn't seem to have translated to UA-cam very well. -_Daniel_
@@sweetwater another video suggests that you get this behavior when you drive the oscillator levels too high, any chance thats it ? I see oscillator 1 is pushed all the way. I don't have any idea myself, but just curious...
Interesting imitation of PPG Wave visually, and even some patches suggest that it contains those wavetables (or extremely similar) plus downright replicas of PPG Wave patches, too based on those wavetables. However, with current manufacturing methods & component prices, plus the firmware value, how on Earth can this price tag be justified? If we think of beasts like Quantum at high end of price range and then the insanely capable ASM with note aftertouch (thus quite some extra costs there) and Korg wavetable offerings' price at the other (low) end.. Interesting price point, to say the least.
@@jesuslovestoastyaya SSM2040 itself even at individual retail price (e.g. RosenSound) is 30 USD... Considering fully digital signal paths + DAC and 24 SSM2040s... hm. As with anything like this, the dominant factor in the pricing equation is not the component & manufacturing price... Marketing-wise it is not an accident that the PPG Wave look is imitated so exactly (psychological legend trigger 1), but also, deservedly famous (but in 2020s dirt cheap) components are used (psychological legend trigger 2) - and so on.
@@SPAZZOID100 So... time will tell... whether it is another overhyped overpriced highly imitative & manipulative gimmick, with obviously a LOT effort put in to trigger particular nostalgia for a particular synth... or something that will endure & offer genuine novelty in the Wolfgang Palm tradition of wavetable synthesis. If you are familiar with product design & marketing philosophy, this and the ASM Hydrasynth are diametrically opposite. Latter lets the features & staggering sound design capabilities speak for themselves, whilst this one is a bit suspiciously self-conscious about what emotional buttons it wants to press... making the latter a priority instead of innovation. If latter is present, many question marks... then merely this video fails to reveal them.
I thought it was 3795? Also, isn’t it weird that it was normal for synths to cost the equivalent of $10,000 back in the day but now if it’s even half that much people lose their minds?
@@benbowland I didn't "lose my mind". First, I simply said it is $4995 for a synth from a company with no real track record to warrant that price. Second, it was never "normal" to spend $10k on a synthesizer except in the early days (for the rich few) where they were literally built by hand with hand soldering and assembly. These days, all these synth companies use Fatar key beds or similar and are built in factories with high volume PCB lines.
@@benbowland yeah back then synths we’re utilizing emerging technologies. Hence their insane price tags. Today? I don’t think 5k for this synth is justifiable.
more interesting than a sawtooth waveform through a low pass filter. but I'm wondering how many of these sounds could be done on synths from the 90s for a few hundred dollars or new synths? and $5,000 for a synth from an unknown manufacturer? not for the average player, that's for sure.
@@anthonyalexander7246 overpriced is used too many times and incorrectly. Behringer would have to produce THIS synth exactly, for $800 for it to be true. There’s a reason they don’t and just copy old schematics. It’s just a silly comparison fan boys like to use these days
5 g's . I have a problem with pure digital synths that cost a fortune. At least this sounds great. Giant vst's. I will wait for future generations once the firmware is common and processors are more powerful. That moog matriarch on sale is looking really good to me right now. IMO, now is the time for analogs and get by on a hydra or minifreak until the $500 iridium killer shows up. And it will as the algo's and code are developed.
I reckon it would have to come from Behringer. I own the Iridium keyboard and I can see why it is expensive with the nice hardware, touch screen and being made/developed in EU by a very small company which seems to struggle a bit.. it's one of the best synths I own. I have a Matriarch too... great synth.. some firmware issues too but that's the way in the modern era...
What sort of details would you like to see out of a deep dive into the 3rd Wave synth? Let us know in the comments, and be sure to pick up your own cutting-edge wavetable synthesizer 👉 sweetwater.sjv.io/3rdWave
Well, my list is long, but for me the modulation matrix is my top interest, plus the creation of new wavetables, integration of the modulation matrix with the onboard effects, pad creation, leads, other worldly type sounds, and ofcourse foldback waveform synthesis.
This synth sounds amazingly glorious, not sure there's anything else like it in existence at the moment, Groove Synthesis has created a total masterpiece !
Thank you, Ace. We appreciate that very much. We poured out hearts and souls into the 3rd Wave and this kind of praise from synth folks like yourself means everything to us.
This demo was better than some complete albums and the sounds this thing makes is extraordinary. Although some have said that the effects are OK and that external ones are better the way Daniel was playing them, as well as the synth really did make this shine. The best demo of this synth and its capabilities I have heard so far by a long way.
Daniel, you still the man.
I love this video just for Dan's playing
Love this... sounded like a 1980s TD soundtrack in places! Fabulous sounding synth.
Can’t think of many people better than mr D Fisher to demo a synth that’s pretty certain to become legendary in future. Wow !
Glad to hear that not all sounds are PPG like.🤸
The blue looks especially good against the movie theater carpet! Daniel (The Demo King) Fisher strikes again!
I've played the Oberheim OB-X8 and had my heart set on getting one. However, this 3rd Wave sounds phenomenal and has so much more to offer for the same amount of money as the OB-X8. It's amazing versatile and sounds unlike anything I currently own. With that said, one of the patches Daniel played in this video sounded so emotional I really felt it deep down. That is a reaction I don't always get from a synth. Daniel's excellent playing really shows some of the potential of this amazing synth and that's just scratching the surface of what this powerful beast can do.
I think this synth is well worth it's asking price and I really hope to own one someday. I'd honestly choose this over the OB-X8 considering the other synths I already own if I had to choose between the two.
I think i'm with you on this one. My heart was set on the OB-X8 and a Waldorf M. I've started watching videos on this 3rd Wave and i'm really really impressed. It can do wavetable/PPG stuff amazingly but also the VA stuff is on pair with a lot of analog poly.
I'm pretty sure this will be my 2023 synth purchase. I'm waiting for another 3rd wave video which will be out in a few days and then i'll take my shot.
I was lucky to get one of the very first 3rd Waves in August last year. And at the initial price too.
I put my pre-order in May ‘22 immediately after learning about these guys and what they had in their hands. Later I bought the OBX8, and I have to say the 3rd Wave is the best “modern” synth in the market. It is much more then a PPG remake attempt.
Thanks for your kind words.We're gratified to hear such praise. It makes it all worth it. We're really just 6 synth geeks at heart and love synths as much as we love making them..
@Groove Synthesis Mark You're very welcome. Thank you all for bringing such a fantastic product to the market. I highly appreciate the work you do as well as your passion for what you create. I can clearly tell you poured your hearts into the 3rd Wave. The sound of it speaks for itself.
Because I'm old, I own all of them. An M, an OBX-8 and a 3rd Wave. The 3rd Wave is the Winner. : ) Much more versatile. A truly breakthrough synth versus the others, which are really solid, but don't offer any where near what the 3rd Wave Offers. Hope this helps. Good Luck!
Amazing sounds with sense, motion and the drift of emotional sweeping sound scapes 🤖
That smile in the end says it all!
Dan is a gem! 💎💎💎
This device is pure magic. But i need my kidneys so I think I'lk stick to listening to it for now😂
almost 30 minutes of Daniel jamming and no talking? I'm in! Although I enjoy him talking as well, he always has good tips to share.
Sounds great Daniel, another level in your Hands :)
You got $5k sloshing around in your bank account Jamie, hmmm?? 😉👍🎹🎶
@@theaudioeng Lol 😂
Brings a lot of PPG Wave vibes - also about the same blue color as these old gems. 😉
Love it!
we need a deep dive of this
Excellent demonstration!
Thank you, freddiespencer. I really enjoyed making it. -_Daniel_
@@sweetwater It was your demonstration that curved me into a purchase. When you are artistic and knowledgeable about a product like this, it becomes the deciding factor in making the purchase. You see, with your talents, skills and knowledge about a product, people like myself really want to know the truth about what's under the hood, (what it can really do). For many of us it's the deciding factor in pullin the trigger on expensive purchases. That's why I can only watch maybe two of your videos a year because I'd buy EVERYTHING! Oh, and end up in the doghouse several time a year. 😂
Amazing performance 👏
Love this synth. Not cheap, but those knobs and a brand new company means it will not be cheap.
It will be mine.
Love all of it, but 24:54 gave me a great big happy. ❤
Every little thing he plays is magic. 😎
@@Chris.Brisson Haha, I had the same song in mind.
It's funny, I got the 3rd Wave a few weeks ago, and when I found that patch I immediately played exactly the same line from Message in a Bottle.
@@coyotegeek Is this synth worth purchasing if I already own DX5 and Jupiter-8?
@@lenochod7950 that’s one of those questions with wrong answers only. The 3rd Wave is very deep but sonically quite distinct from the JP8 or DX5. I haven’t played either, so making a comparison is basically impossible. I do own an ISE-NIN and a TX-802, so it’s not impossible to speculate. The 3W is a monster, and is both easier to program than a 6-op Yamaha and deeper than the Roland. And it sounds absolutely fantastic. UA-cam doesn’t do the sound justice.
Damn this sounds great!
Nice demo! Great sounds.
It's amazing what sonic potential $5,000 can offer these days.
Imagine what $10,000 could do?! Future is bright for us
Not in my hands. Daniels certainly
Good demo
Thanks Mr Fisher. Lovely instrument! Love the tripbute to PPG wave but yea the price is out there but you get a lot for the money. If you want cheaper synths kind alike it, Hydrasynth and Modwave would be contenders.
Hydra’s newest firmware offers bit reduction per oscillator so you can get that gritty 8 bit sound if that’s your fancy.
@@thedarkestrainbow I havn’t updated mine yet, so that’s an incentive for sure.
An introduction into wavetable synthesis would be nice using this machine. Is the learning curve steep?
Awesome - when is the next shipment scheduled for landing ?
The first 2 seconds I thought Transformers changing into vehicles or robots 😅
Ever since my stroke almost three years ago, I miss my right hand,no control of my right side.
For me...Wavetable only for incredible evolving patches, along with Granular symthesis etc.
I prefer the traditional methods for basic stuf
I prefer a Moog or Oberheim classic synth.
Amazing sounding new kid on the block Daniel .... but seriously, $5k is a dampener tbh! 😢
Yeah that's very steep..
Only $5K!. Put me down for two! Nice sounding synth, though…
How is the VA side of this compared to a Novation Summit for example ? Many pepole are,wondering about just the Analog ish sounds of this.
Behringer model d,$300, moog model d $6000, that's why they got sold.
Guess which one will still be up and working in your studio in 30 years.
This is digital so isn't omnisphere the same but through an analogue filter and amp?
I want ❤
Looks and sounds (mostly) great! Thank you for the demo. But why are so many sounds so distorted? Also lots of non-pleasing aliasing at times, especially when several keys are depressed. Is that internal overload in the Synth mixer or external with the preamp from the camera?
Hi steme 2007. The distortion is on me as I was trying lots of things with the Saturation knob in the filter section.The brief aliasing was external. -_Daniel_
@@sweetwater Thx 4 the quick answer!
Is this better than the OPsix, Cobolt and Hydrasynth?
Money wise no, But if you can afford it then yes.
@Phoenix Landing Studio: I'm curious too. Although, Opsix is a totally different synth (based on FM, instead of wavetable). Maybe you mean the Modwave?
The Cobalt differs due to the algorithms, but sound wise I'm curious too.
I guess the Hydrasynth with the new 2.0 firmware comes mighty close, for a fraction of the price, even the Deluxe. And then you even get PolyAT, instead of channelAT (MonoAT)!
@@GertBoers Probably the most “similar” in wavetable capability from cheapest to most expensive are the Modwave, Sledge (surprise entry, it has Waldorf’s wavetables on board), Hydrasynth, and the Iridium and Quantum(s).
Yes.
What does “better” mean?? The opsix is not a wavetable synth. Plus it has very few knobs & made of plastic.
Who is this guy 😍
ua-cam.com/users/results?search_query=daniel+fisher+sweetwater&sp=CAI%253D
-_Daniel_
Sounds awesome! But man… that color though
👊🤣👍
I like it. I’m glad it’s not just another black synth.
Pretty exact replica of the PPG Wave colour and even the panel organisation + replica buttons (shape and colour) + graphics are very PPG Wave.
what's up with the distorted audio?
Hi Christopher. That's on me. I was really enjoying the Saturation knob in the Filter section and it doesn't seem to have translated to UA-cam very well. -_Daniel_
not sure if its the synth or the levels on this video but there seems to be digi distortion/clipping all over it.
In the first parts I agree...
Yeah, I was showing off the Saturation knob in the filter section.
I should have said that when I turned the knob.
-_Daniel_
@@sweetwater another video suggests that you get this behavior when you drive the oscillator levels too high, any chance thats it ? I see oscillator 1 is pushed all the way. I don't have any idea myself, but just curious...
Is this a better synth than a Korg Wavestate? Thanks.
Yes
At minimum it is like having 4 wavestates at the same time due to multi-timbrality.
the new ppg with 24 poly? but the price was too expensive
My only question Daniel is… 3rd Wave or Super 6? 😁
Totally different types of synths.
@@SPAZZOID100 Yep
@@SPAZZOID100 Aren't they both virtual analogue?
Interesting imitation of PPG Wave visually, and even some patches suggest that it contains those wavetables (or extremely similar) plus downright replicas of PPG Wave patches, too based on those wavetables. However, with current manufacturing methods & component prices, plus the firmware value, how on Earth can this price tag be justified? If we think of beasts like Quantum at high end of price range and then the insanely capable ASM with note aftertouch (thus quite some extra costs there) and Korg wavetable offerings' price at the other (low) end.. Interesting price point, to say the least.
24 Voices with SSM filters (same filter as Prophet 5, which only has 5 SSM filters)
@@jesuslovestoastyaya SSM2040 itself even at individual retail price (e.g. RosenSound) is 30 USD... Considering fully digital signal paths + DAC and 24 SSM2040s... hm. As with anything like this, the dominant factor in the pricing equation is not the component & manufacturing price... Marketing-wise it is not an accident that the PPG Wave look is imitated so exactly (psychological legend trigger 1), but also, deservedly famous (but in 2020s dirt cheap) components are used (psychological legend trigger 2) - and so on.
@@LeventeZone So????
@@SPAZZOID100 So... time will tell... whether it is another overhyped overpriced highly imitative & manipulative gimmick, with obviously a LOT effort put in to trigger particular nostalgia for a particular synth... or something that will endure & offer genuine novelty in the Wolfgang Palm tradition of wavetable synthesis. If you are familiar with product design & marketing philosophy, this and the ASM Hydrasynth are diametrically opposite. Latter lets the features & staggering sound design capabilities speak for themselves, whilst this one is a bit suspiciously self-conscious about what emotional buttons it wants to press... making the latter a priority instead of innovation. If latter is present, many question marks... then merely this video fails to reveal them.
Want it. Will never get it
Sounds great....but $5000. Seriously. Not happening.
Yeah. 5k seems incredibly high. Wasn’t groove synthesis selling this direct for just under 4K?
@@obsoletecd-rom Yes. Their wheelout price was $3795. Apparently the retailer deal added $1200. That’s a deal breaker for me.
I thought it was 3795? Also, isn’t it weird that it was normal for synths to cost the equivalent of $10,000 back in the day but now if it’s even half that much people lose their minds?
@@benbowland I didn't "lose my mind". First, I simply said it is $4995 for a synth from a company with no real track record to warrant that price. Second, it was never "normal" to spend $10k on a synthesizer except in the early days (for the rich few) where they were literally built by hand with hand soldering and assembly. These days, all these synth companies use Fatar key beds or similar and are built in factories with high volume PCB lines.
@@benbowland yeah back then synths we’re utilizing emerging technologies. Hence their insane price tags. Today? I don’t think 5k for this synth is justifiable.
more interesting than a sawtooth waveform through a low pass filter. but I'm wondering how many of these sounds could be done on synths from the 90s for a few hundred dollars or new synths? and $5,000 for a synth from an unknown manufacturer? not for the average player, that's for sure.
The brains behind this are from Sequential and other big name instrument companies. They definitely weren’t noobs.
Synths from the 90’s like romplers? No knobs.
Нет смысла платить столько за инструмент у которого звук 16 бит имеет!
One thing behringer has proven is that most of these products are way over priced, $3500, most, new company, insane starting price for a newbie.
But they sound good, its overpriced, i remember a highend bass maker bragging about all of his expensive cars thanks to price gouging.
@@anthonyalexander7246 overpriced is used too many times and incorrectly. Behringer would have to produce THIS synth exactly, for $800 for it to be true. There’s a reason they don’t and just copy old schematics. It’s just a silly comparison fan boys like to use these days
Digital oscillators, $5000, yikes, a vst in the box, sounds good but way over priced.
Wow! 5000usd is too expensive. Just a dream for an aficionado.
5 g's . I have a problem with pure digital synths that cost a fortune. At least this sounds great.
Giant vst's. I will wait for future generations once the firmware is common and processors are more powerful. That moog matriarch on sale is looking really good to me right now. IMO, now is the time for analogs and get by on a hydra or minifreak until the $500 iridium killer shows up. And it will as the algo's and code are developed.
I reckon it would have to come from Behringer. I own the Iridium keyboard and I can see why it is expensive with the nice hardware, touch screen and being made/developed in EU by a very small company which seems to struggle a bit.. it's one of the best synths I own. I have a Matriarch too... great synth.. some firmware issues too but that's the way in the modern era...
This has analog filters.
The Matriarch has nothing to do with wavetables.
Why 😢 so much money
Small company = high price.