Well produced video. giving the consumer good information regarding this product and its design philosophy. As a strictly two channel listener, I will have to pick through a very good line up. Thanks for this video.
@@dougschneider8243 think the Monitor 8 integrates better with the Center 8 and a bit bigger (extra bass driver) can't hurt for stereo listening either. More future proof .... Tower 8 is too heavy (plan to move in the next couple of years again) and they might be just slightly too big for my room (4 x 10 x 3 m). I rather get another REL S/510 subwoofer for the money, as I have only one at the moment.
I want the exact same setup. I was going to buy the big center but it literally won't fit in my stand. Which is crazy because I have has some very large center speakers. That's ok though. The smaller center will do perfectly fine. Tell us how it sounds.
Spectacular. I simply must have a pair of these. Probably cap off and complete my speaker collection for a good long time with something like this. Btw, youve ruined paper cones midranges that can play well below 400hz, Ill never look at those old things the same. Obviously the old tech midranges leave a lot on the table. Well done!
I remember it was very normal in the 80's etc building the mids without venting in the basket so they did not need to do the effort to build a internal enclosure😝 Cost savings😉
So with a sealed basket you now have that rear wave bouncing back out of phase and hitting the rear of the cone causing distortion and coloration. That's partly why the rear of drivers in general are vented.
The same could be said of sealed speaker & subwoofer enclosures. However, show me any order of open enclosure, that *objectively* has the accuracy, low group delay, spectral decay, phase response of a sealed enclosure, because I don't know of any? One of the main reasons I've been designing 1/4 wave transmission lines for 30+ years, is because it's the lowest order after sealed, and IMO it's the best solution of a bad bunch after sealed for objective accuracy,
So, so!? The curved design is to align the distance of the driver to the listening position. Sounds strange to me as other mentioned "design ideas". Hopefully, the deliver and last long.
I'm not sure what you're finding odd. In the case of the woofers, he's talking about their placement in context with the relatively high crossover point to the midrange. Also, if you look at the height of both the tweeter and the midrange, it's not a bad thing to have them pointing downwards. The whole thing has been engineered with this curved baffle. So...????
@@dougschneider8243 A crossover point at 420 is not uncommon and he was talking about time alignment. This will only work if the listening position is at the assumed level. - I will not mention the other things I found strange since they can be wrong or even solved by hidden tricks. I need to hear and test them at first.
@@haraldsimon2807 It's not uncommon, but it's getting up there. I know many designers who like to put the crossover lower because of issues it can cause. The lowest woofer is quite a distance away from the midrange, so at 420Hz, there are some concerns. That said, test away. I have a pair of Tower 8s here and I can tell you that the top-to-bottom cohesiveness is impressive -- as is the sheer effortlessness of the presentation.
@@hotdog9262 Hi, actually they do have a recommended distance -- off the top of my head, 3.5 meters. But I'd have to go back and check that. Obviously, that's not the only distance one can or will listen from, but Thomas I believe mentioned that to me. As for tilting the speaker, now you're starting to do something they're simply doing for you. I have the speaker here and the arc on the front is aesthetically please as it gets, plus I can see why they did it acoustically. We did measure this speaker as well and it basically does what it says. (I'm talking about the Tower 8 throughout this, BTW.)
Honestly, does what he says really matter to anyone? I guess it does to some, but I'm thinking about creating a video about why I can't stand his business model -- build no world-beating loudspeakers of your own but make videos about how others aren't doing a good job, then sell them an upgrade kit. Ridiculous IMO.
Many of the speakers he upgraded have serious flaws that a new crossover cannot fix. He should tell the customers to trash the speakers instead of selling them band aids.
@@ywsx6489 Do they really have serious flaws or does Danny just make something up. The moment he brings out his measurements I cringe -- a single on-axis that he diagnoses things with. A single plot like that tells nothing -- and he appears to have no real detail in his measurements. Yet, he prescribes a "fix" without any concern for the off-axis, distortion, compression, etc. To me, his recommendations are a joke.
I truly admire this wonderful loudspeaker 📢 brand. 💎
Well produced video. giving the consumer good information regarding this product and its design philosophy. As a strictly two channel listener, I will have to pick through a very good line up. Thanks for this video.
Glad you found it helpful!
Nice Crossover ❤️
Glad you noticed!
No ferrous parts in the signal chain 😎
Haven't seen treated cloth surround in a hifi speaker for a while. I guess that also keeps high sensitivity
It's not actually cloth -- it's a hard material. I'm not sure what.
@@dougschneider8243 It is treated (doped) cloth, it can be hard, depending on what the designer specifies for the design.
The Monitor 8 and Center 8 will be replacing my Wharfedale Elysian 2 and Elysian Center next year..... can't wait to hear them.
Interesting choice! What made you pick the Monitor 8 over the Bookshelf 8 or Tower 8?
@@dougschneider8243 think the Monitor 8 integrates better with the Center 8 and a bit bigger (extra bass driver) can't hurt for stereo listening either. More future proof .... Tower 8 is too heavy (plan to move in the next couple of years again) and they might be just slightly too big for my room (4 x 10 x 3 m). I rather get another REL S/510 subwoofer for the money, as I have only one at the moment.
@@larsv6144 Good choices. Size DOES matter when it comes to speakers -- and it is a mistake getting too big a speaker for a room.
I want the exact same setup. I was going to buy the big center but it literally won't fit in my stand. Which is crazy because I have has some very large center speakers. That's ok though. The smaller center will do perfectly fine. Tell us how it sounds.
We're very interested in getting the Monitor 8 in for review. Seems it has a real place in certain systems.
Spectacular. I simply must have a pair of these. Probably cap off and complete my speaker collection for a good long time with something like this. Btw, youve ruined paper cones midranges that can play well below 400hz, Ill never look at those old things the same. Obviously the old tech midranges leave a lot on the table. Well done!
Glad it was helpful!
So many Keyboard experts in these comments.
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I remember it was very normal in the 80's etc building the mids without venting in the basket so they did not need to do the effort to build a internal enclosure😝 Cost savings😉
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Any reason(s)?
@@soundstagenetwork Not sure what you mean by reasons, but Arendal Sound is a proudly Norwegian brand
@@dougschneider8243 No worries .... anyways, these guys really know their stuff!
@@Harald-MacGerhard Sorry, we read NO as "no"!
@@Harald-MacGerhard It appears they do!
So with a sealed basket you now have that rear wave bouncing back out of phase and hitting the rear of the cone causing distortion and coloration. That's partly why the rear of drivers in general are vented.
The same could be said of sealed speaker & subwoofer enclosures. However, show me any order of open enclosure, that *objectively* has the accuracy, low group delay, spectral decay, phase response of a sealed enclosure, because I don't know of any?
One of the main reasons I've been designing 1/4 wave transmission lines for 30+ years, is because it's the lowest order after sealed, and IMO it's the best solution of a bad bunch after sealed for objective accuracy,
the wavelength are longer than the basket depth, so it acts more like a spring, like a subwoofer driver in a sealed cabinet.
@sudd3660 Good point.
at 5:08 danny richie busted 😂
So, so!? The curved design is to align the distance of the driver to the listening position. Sounds strange to me as other mentioned "design ideas". Hopefully, the deliver and last long.
I'm not sure what you're finding odd. In the case of the woofers, he's talking about their placement in context with the relatively high crossover point to the midrange. Also, if you look at the height of both the tweeter and the midrange, it's not a bad thing to have them pointing downwards. The whole thing has been engineered with this curved baffle. So...????
@@dougschneider8243 A crossover point at 420 is not uncommon and he was talking about time alignment. This will only work if the listening position is at the assumed level. - I will not mention the other things I found strange since they can be wrong or even solved by hidden tricks. I need to hear and test them at first.
@@haraldsimon2807 It's not uncommon, but it's getting up there. I know many designers who like to put the crossover lower because of issues it can cause. The lowest woofer is quite a distance away from the midrange, so at 420Hz, there are some concerns. That said, test away. I have a pair of Tower 8s here and I can tell you that the top-to-bottom cohesiveness is impressive -- as is the sheer effortlessness of the presentation.
@@haraldsimon2807 "This will only work if the listening position is at the assumed level" well one can always slightly tilt the speaker
@@hotdog9262 Hi, actually they do have a recommended distance -- off the top of my head, 3.5 meters. But I'd have to go back and check that. Obviously, that's not the only distance one can or will listen from, but Thomas I believe mentioned that to me. As for tilting the speaker, now you're starting to do something they're simply doing for you. I have the speaker here and the arc on the front is aesthetically please as it gets, plus I can see why they did it acoustically. We did measure this speaker as well and it basically does what it says. (I'm talking about the Tower 8 throughout this, BTW.)
Bet Danny could find some cheese in there somewhere 😂
Honestly, does what he says really matter to anyone? I guess it does to some, but I'm thinking about creating a video about why I can't stand his business model -- build no world-beating loudspeakers of your own but make videos about how others aren't doing a good job, then sell them an upgrade kit. Ridiculous IMO.
Many of the speakers he upgraded have serious flaws that a new crossover cannot fix. He should tell the customers to trash the speakers instead of selling them band aids.
@@dougschneider8243 I agree …I watch his videos for a good laugh 😆
@@wendellgayheart9228 I'm debating whether I should make a video in my Real Hi-Fi series about what I posted to you.
@@ywsx6489 Do they really have serious flaws or does Danny just make something up. The moment he brings out his measurements I cringe -- a single on-axis that he diagnoses things with. A single plot like that tells nothing -- and he appears to have no real detail in his measurements. Yet, he prescribes a "fix" without any concern for the off-axis, distortion, compression, etc. To me, his recommendations are a joke.