Det Lilley should have been penalised for his prejudice and poor work/attitude . He caused so much trauma for Bonnie's parents and meanwhile his negligence enabled Clark to continue to harm. It makes me so angry.
I agree. I know it's not an easy job for detectives, but that kind of 'police work' is nothing short of negligent and Det. Lilley should have been dismissed from his job. The fact that a lack of result wasn't simply due to the time period and lack of scientific technology makes it even more appalling. In this instance, it was solid investigative work by an officer who was actually doing his job that finally resolved the matter and brought justice for poor Bonnie and her mother.
I dont think he should be penalized it's awful but you don't get them all right I would like to see the officers full case load how many he has completed successfully vs botched like this case his actions and actions of his detectives undoubtedly led to more suffering for the mother but maybe he has solved 10 cases where the parents were the killer I would just like to see the good vs the bad he has done before making a decision like that
Did Marion ever get an apology from those cops who believed she murdered her daughter? Likely not. They're not willing to ever admit they've done anything wrong. RIP Mama and Dada. And rest well little Bonnie.
While I agree completely that Lilley didn't handle this case correctly, we don't know much about other cases he handled and what he normally does during investigations. Not unless anyone knows him, works with him, or is close with him. One bad handling of a case doesn't make him a bad cop. Just means he may have had a bad way of handling it then.
Brilliant podcast, as usual. It is difficult now to listen to other true crime podcasts because you have set the bar so high. No other podcast remotely compares to your thorough researching, writing, narration and impeccable story telling. Absolutely perfect!!!! Thank you for what you do so well. When listening to one of your crime stories, I realize that I'm so immersed in the experience that for how ever long it lasts, nothing else exists for me. So grateful for your content and quality!!
Yes and Canada I recognize the Mr. Big scheme every time I hear a crime story mentioning a new gang with all the answers magically appearing in the suspects life right on cue. How do criminals not suspect this by now?
So many innocent lives hinge on detectives actually doing their job and being good people but no, this prick with tunnel vision allowed a killer to go free in order to harass a grieving mother
Youve done a gr8 job showing the importance of bonnies case and giving a run down on this predators path of destruction and ALL the innocent lives he took (the ones he was caught for) THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
I enjoy listening to all your podcasts, the research and back stories of all the victims and perpetrators have the most details of almost every podcast I have ever heard. Thanks from Oklahoma.❤
Marion is an excellent example of why innocent people need to protect themselves by immediately retaining or consulting with legal counsel even if they’re not formally charged with a crime. Police are subject to personal biases and can get tunnel vision. Not all cases these days have DNA or CCTV evidence to help exclude a suspect, many cases are still mostly or entirely circumstantial. It might seem like it makes you look guilty to want to talk to legal counsel before giving a statement, even if you’re treated initially as a witness. If you’re connected to the crime by proximity or relationship you will be on their radar as potential suspect. This is especially true with caregivers/parents and spouses/romantic partners. It also applies to people who find bodies, or have access to the place where a person died. It might seem like an equally guilty action to refuse to give DNA samples, refuse to hand over your phone/electronics, or refuse a polygraph. Police might imply it looks bad to refuse (which is legal in some places and illegal in others), or that co-operating will help exonerate you faster. That might sound convincing, and even might be true in some cases insomuch as your device data or DNA could potentially exclude you, but it’s a tactic to obtain evidence as quickly and easily as possible rather than the police trying to help you prove your innocence. That’s why it’s best to consult with legal counsel first, because they will advise you to do what’s in your best interests. Despite it seeming like guilty behaviour, the truth is actually that guilty people constantly do all of those things freely. They might be overconfident about how well they covered up their involvement, or think they can convince police of their innocence with words and by seeming to have nothing to hide. In truth guilty people in murder cases generally co-operate to at least the extent of giving statements more often than they refuse any co-operation and immediately retain counsel unless they’re experienced criminals or are highly aware of police procedure. It’s not a reliable indication of guilt or innocence and any refusal on your part can’t be used against you in most courts of law. Most people don’t realise the tactics employed in police interviews (formal and informal) are designed to lock the person into a narrative and timeline. Those details are checked against any subsequent future statements to look for inconsistencies or changes to the timeline or other details given that could be seen as lies or deception, or anything to contradict hard evidence. You might think innocent people don’t or wouldn’t need to change their statements, but people are typically fairly unreliable witnesses and you could easily state something that is unintentionally wrong or you later remember differently and have it be seen as evidence of deception that could be used against you. Even if in the short term you might draw suspicion by obtaining legal advice or retaining legal services, or just by refusing to co-operate in certain ways, it’s worth it to be proactive in protecting your innocence in case you’re unfortunate enough to encounter bad officers or departments. You won’t always have a police officer be stupid and hostile enough like Lilley where you’ll instantly know you’re the victim of prejudice and tunnel vision. Smarter police with those flaws will pretend they don’t suspect you and try to trap you with false courtesy and by misleading their suspect into not realising they’re actually a target. Even police with good intentions are on the side of the victim, and will do whatever they can to quickly and easily obtain potential evidence to try to find the guilty party. People of interest and suspects are not the ones they’re interested in protecting, so if you are in that position and have done nothing wrong you need to understand they are not your allies. Your allies are yourself and your legal counsel. You won’t have the right to free counsel unless you’re arrested, but if you feel you can’t afford to hire someone you have the option of consulting counsel without retaining them (for a fee), and you can look online for any reputable legal resources that might be helpful to you locally. It might seem like I’m anti-police but the opposite is true, my specialty is forensic science so I can help the police find criminals. I just also hate seeing bad police work resulting in innocent people being harassed and even convicted and want innocent people to understand their rights and how the police operate to avoid unnecessarily going through what people like Marion and Lindy did. People often assume their innocence will be quickly established by co-operating with the police without realising that cases today still often rely enormously on circumstantial evidence and that their statements and electronic data can be used against them in ways they could never predict and be warped to fit a guilty narrative.
No one ever finds one in any situation. Those things are expensive and I just don't see people leaving them lying around . And I honestly believe that I definitely could tell the difference between the two.
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These videos are at least 40 mins each, they need to get paid for their work. Plus UA-cam itself has been putting out more ads on videos because, yano, money again
I just can't wrap my head around the idea of bringing strangers to share a house with any young children. Single mothers should always be aware of that.
victim blaming isnt cool dude. its easy to look back in retrospect and be like "that was stupid to do, you should have known not to do thst" but thats incredibly disrespectful to this poor mother who already lost her child. plus they said that she was a single mother struggling to make rent and needed to rent out a room. desperate people sometimes do things that appear questionable from an outside perspective because theyre in situations we could never understand.
Desperation calls for dangerous measures. She had a child to think about. Lots of crimes occur where people took every precaution and still ended up a victim. Instead of blaming her for Bonnie's death, why don't you blame the killer. Her poor mother has gotten enough of the blame for over 20 years
@@l0vemyth single mothers know. Neither of you are educating people, you are blaming a victim for her child's death. She had to make a choice, either she and her daughter live in poverty and struggle or risk allowing someone to move in to make some extra money. She made her choice and she lived with the consequences for years. Get off of your fucking high horse and put yourself in her shoes
Chidi? 😮 guess Bonnie ended up in the Good Place 👍🏼 Also too: if I had a nickel for every true crime story I’ve heard involving a woman not being believed/listened to/taken seriously who was **eventually** (& VERY often after additional, unnecessary victims being created) proven RIGHT, I could buy the literal EARTH 😖😡😤
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During the first conversation while still in house with the child the mom just lost to poke or prod too aggressively would be a terrible mistake to make but to go straight to just staying “you did it huh?” Is such a wild wild thing to think a person ever thought to be the right move.
I just found this channel, and its amazing! So gd to hear an Australian accent podcast. I live in Queensland Australia 🦘 And suffer from extreme insomnia. These are the perfect bedtime stories for me. I do believe i am actually still learning as i sleep. These stories are much easier to hear subconsciously as i sleep, than my usual twisted night terrors on steroids! Thankyou so very much. Your content is original too, a fresh and intriguing change from all the rest. Perfect intro too, no loud, jarring, drawn-out intro music thank god!! Just the fact that your content caught, and kept my interest ( through the ADHD), is a definite YES, a " my new channel to binge )!!!!" Luv and respect, from Queensland, Australia !!!🦘🌏🦘🌏🦘❤❤❤
Reason to smile 🙂 New season’s starting with a bang Casey I know you said you don’t really read comments but I hope somewhere somehow you feel the love you get from so many🤸♀️🤗😁
Anyone who hasn't heard of Ron Iddles before check out his book The Good Cop , brilliant man and history of cases. This Canadian style is a interesting argument in entrapment vs free confession,but it makes sense when studying style
There is something genuinely wrong with the minds of people who prey on children, I know that I’m stating the obvious. Their own pleasure comes before anything else I’m their minds, be it the law or basic morals that aren’t even restricted to humans. Their ego works in a way that convinced them that they are entitled in a way which makes them think that they are the only person who’s feelings matter. It could be from their own trauma/abuse, but I have no pity for people who use that to abuse others. I would and could never do anything that was done to me because I recognise how sickening it is. I was never physically touched by any of them thankfully because it was all online, but I’m still deeply traumatised by what they made me do but I am aware of that and am working through it.
I rent a room with a landlord I'm frightened of and I listen to casefile to keep me company while I barricade myself in my room at night. Stories help me take my mind off it even if its true crime. Im going to get out of here soon, i havent had any other place i can go or family, and the shelter here is terrifying. But i know ill get out soon. I hope anyone else out there going through something knows we can do it 😊
Due to rigor a body develops after death often bodies are discovered in stiff, unnatural looking poses and have can have waxy, pale skin that can appear quite plastic-y. People are more likely to find discarded junk than a body in everyday life, after all. It can also partially be a denial defence mechanism but from afar or if partially obscured and dumped a body can certainly look quite similar to a mannequin. I’ve seen plenty of bodies where I can understand why the mistake could be made at first glance.
They weren’t trying to say that she wasn’t. They did a video on this about 4 years ago and went very in depth! Highly recommend that video for anyone reading this who doesn’t know about that case. It’s just called Azaria Chamberlain
I've watched some of the Mr.Big videos. I think its a great idea. People want to be in the gang and to get in you have to tell anything you've done like murder or kidnapping or anything criminal. Its easier to get in the fake organization if you have done something criminal. So these men tell on themselves. And then they end up arrested and its so funny to see the panic on their faces.
The problem is it gets used in Canada so much I don't know how it's not obvious by now. Since there's a financial incentive to tell them what they want a lawyer could argue it's a coerced confession. I don't really know what else you do in that situation though.
@DinoCism, that's the exact issue that has come up in recent year's. Canadian courts have had issues with prosecutions based on entrapment and defense arguments that the confessions or admissions are false and the acused were pressured into telling the undercover officers, who they belive are dangerous and potentially violent criminals, what they want to hear. Basically, peer pressure, fear and boasting. Same tactics used that's known to elicit false confessions.
It goes to show, that police, are often judge, jury, and executioner on a case. Lucky that they failed on this one. Lilley should sleep uneasy at night, meaning guilt. Keep a look out, for people like Mal Clarke. Peace and goodwill.
I don’t think Marianne had anything to do with Bonnie’s death. She was innocent, just as lindy was. Police see so many cases where the parents are responsible for the death of their child and make the assumption that every child death was caused by the parents. It’s gross negligence to make that assumption and prolongs the victim getting justice.
@vaiscilia what one has to do with the other. There are two separate cases . And in that case she wasn't proofed for a fact . They did the inquest but it's all suppositions. They found only the baby' s jacket, not parts of the body or anything, to prove the cause of death for certain.
@@loredanadincu4300 the reason I mentioned Azaria chamberlain case is that the narrator brings that case in this video.....both mothers were falsely accused by public without strong evidence against them.... isn't it ??????
It is actually unfortunate that Malcolm was confessing to cops and not to real criminals as he would certainly have gotten a death sentence from them for raping & murdering a 6 year old.
That bad detective should be charged with the murder of the second victim that died at the hands of Clarke... Those two other woman wouldn't have been attacked by Clarke if the detective would have done his job and checked the ONLY possible suspect's alibi properly... The woman he murdered later would have still been alive so I think he should be charged with manslaughter or something like that...
Ok..this is going to be hard as only the ppl who know me, know this. I've never talked about it publicly before. I was the victim of an unprovoked stabbing, on a train, heere in Victoria, Australia. My kids, now 31 & 26 were only 14 & 9 at the time. Ron Iddles was the lead investigator. He is an awesome cop. I never knew it was him who helped solve Bonnie's murder. I knew he was a really good sort, but knowing this too now, confirms my thoughts weren't just purely biased. I'm really glad to hear him getting the credit he deserves. How he remained such a good guy after the things he's seen, is beyond me. My Graddad was a policeman, but died before I was born. I know he would've been proud of & grateful to Ron. He was 1 of the rare good cops too back in the day, when there weren't a great deal who weren't corrupt at some level. I'm glad the boys in blue cleaned house & it's not such a rare thing these days! I just wish my attacker got more than a year!! That was no fault of Ron's though. ❤
@@TraceyMariexx Thanks Tracey. Me too, and pretty sure my kids are glad too, although occasionally I'd wonder..during their teen years! SO glad that 'era' is well & truly in the past!! 😅
I know that the case is still ongoing and probably enough time hasn't passed, but at some point could you guys please do a casefile episode on Erin Patterson (AKA "the mushroom killer") at some point in the future? Also I would love to see casefile covering the murders of Ebony Simpson and Jill Meagher 🙏🤞
The footage they have of his "meeting w the boss" is awesome. theres a lot of footage actually of the whole operation. This type of operation isnt legal in the US and other countries. The amount of manipulation the undercovers use is wild.
My comment was removed... I had written that I can't understand how a single mom could let a man rent a room in her house, let alone 12 to 14 of them! Also, I'm so happy Bonnie's dad was able to live long enough to see justice for his daughter ❤ and i feel terrible for her mom, despite her bad choice in letting strange men rent out a room in her home. RIP little Bonnie 💔
@texastea5686 My thoughts exactly. I can understand how a single mother would need extra income but renting a room to a male is not the way to go about it. I'm wondering why Bonnie's father was not helping with expenses. Young girls and strange men are a recipe for disaster.
Where was Bonnie's dad while his daughter was still alive? Maybe if he had financially helped them Bonnie's mom may not have had to take on any renters. The blame *always* falls on the mom and the dad skirts all the criticism.
A pensioner who lived in my apartment complex was an excopper from the Hongkong Royal Police Force back in the 80s. He briefly mentioned over a gin and tonic that back then, Australia was the place to run to should the crooks managed to get out of Hongkong and looked for a place to lay low or start over. It seemed he actually had valid reasons to throw shade.
I've heard of the same thing being used in so many cases now and I just don't understand how people fall for it I mean don't get me wrong in situations like this I'm glad they do but it could never be me anybody who has been involved in the street life or in any kind of criminal lifestyle and dealt with gang members knows damn well that they don't talk about their crimes especially anybody they have killed to anybody it don't matter who it is or what's a situation even if somebody is trying to use the police connections in order to get you off they were just assume as if they would come up guilty and do whatever it was that needed to be done to make it go away or to make the case fall through like have a crooked cop make some evidence disappear or something like that they would not need a 100% full verbal confession from you in order to make it go away that is such a dead giveaway right there
Det Lilley should have been penalised for his prejudice and poor work/attitude . He caused so much trauma for Bonnie's parents and meanwhile his negligence enabled Clark to continue to harm. It makes me so angry.
I agree. I know it's not an easy job for detectives, but that kind of 'police work' is nothing short of negligent and Det. Lilley should have been dismissed from his job. The fact that a lack of result wasn't simply due to the time period and lack of scientific technology makes it even more appalling. In this instance, it was solid investigative work by an officer who was actually doing his job that finally resolved the matter and brought justice for poor Bonnie and her mother.
@@naomiledger1374 Well said!
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I can't believe Clark got a job as a carer.Surely they checked histories of would be employees in 2002
I dont think he should be penalized it's awful but you don't get them all right I would like to see the officers full case load how many he has completed successfully vs botched like this case his actions and actions of his detectives undoubtedly led to more suffering for the mother but maybe he has solved 10 cases where the parents were the killer I would just like to see the good vs the bad he has done before making a decision like that
Bonnie's case was so badly handled from the original detectives. Bad police work. Her poor mother. Thank you
Thank you
If they had of checked his working hours this case could had been solved yrs ago ,poor mother had the finger pointed for yrs
Rip bonnie and her mum
Did Marion ever get an apology from those cops who believed she murdered her daughter? Likely not. They're not willing to ever admit they've done anything wrong. RIP Mama and Dada. And rest well little Bonnie.
I bet Lilley still thinks she did it, they wont admit error ever.
Lilley was a horrible cop, what an appalling mishandling of this case!
While I agree completely that Lilley didn't handle this case correctly, we don't know much about other cases he handled and what he normally does during investigations. Not unless anyone knows him, works with him, or is close with him. One bad handling of a case doesn't make him a bad cop. Just means he may have had a bad way of handling it then.
@@ralathasnir4987how do lilley's boots taste bro
Justify all you want, he was a horrible cop and a bigoted individual. Period.
yes favdsy p
@@ralathasnir4987you are only as good as your worst fuck up.
Criminals understand this. So should cops.
A convicted rapist and murderer was employed as a personal carer? Are you kidding me?
Didn't do proper checks back then like they do now
Failures 💯
Brilliant podcast, as usual. It is difficult now to listen to other true crime podcasts because you have set the bar so high. No other podcast remotely compares to your thorough researching, writing, narration and impeccable story telling. Absolutely perfect!!!! Thank you for what you do so well. When listening to one of your crime stories, I realize that I'm so immersed in the experience that for how ever long it lasts, nothing else exists for me. So grateful for your content and quality!!
Ye but needed photos at least
Some there are many very good podcasts
The Australian cops seem really good at this 'pretend to be gang members and get a confession' method.
Australia has a rich gang land history kinda like New York has a rich gang land history.
Yes and Canada I recognize the Mr. Big scheme every time I hear a crime story mentioning a new gang with all the answers magically appearing in the suspects life right on cue. How do criminals not suspect this by now?
American cops don't pretend to be gang members. They are gang members
@@sharpshooter_Aus And they all look and act alike, policeman and gang members and talk the same jargon, etc.
So many innocent lives hinge on detectives actually doing their job and being good people but no, this prick with tunnel vision allowed a killer to go free in order to harass a grieving mother
So much tragedy. You told their story really well.
Why I can't imagine Clark didn't get life with no chance of parole
Youve done a gr8 job showing the importance of bonnies case and giving a run down on this predators path of destruction and ALL the innocent lives he took (the ones he was caught for) THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO
Another wonderfully well told and written story.
Casefile doing what it does: Thoroughly researched case narration. I'm there. Thanks.❤
Definitely one of the very best in the True Crime genre.
makes me furious when police dont do their job and focus in on one person, leaving sickos go free to hurt others. they need to be held accountable 😢😢
I enjoy listening to all your podcasts, the research and back stories of all the victims and perpetrators have the most details of almost every podcast I have ever heard. Thanks from Oklahoma.❤
Marion is an excellent example of why innocent people need to protect themselves by immediately retaining or consulting with legal counsel even if they’re not formally charged with a crime.
Police are subject to personal biases and can get tunnel vision. Not all cases these days have DNA or CCTV evidence to help exclude a suspect, many cases are still mostly or entirely circumstantial.
It might seem like it makes you look guilty to want to talk to legal counsel before giving a statement, even if you’re treated initially as a witness. If you’re connected to the crime by proximity or relationship you will be on their radar as potential suspect. This is especially true with caregivers/parents and spouses/romantic partners. It also applies to people who find bodies, or have access to the place where a person died.
It might seem like an equally guilty action to refuse to give DNA samples, refuse to hand over your phone/electronics, or refuse a polygraph. Police might imply it looks bad to refuse (which is legal in some places and illegal in others), or that co-operating will help exonerate you faster. That might sound convincing, and even might be true in some cases insomuch as your device data or DNA could potentially exclude you, but it’s a tactic to obtain evidence as quickly and easily as possible rather than the police trying to help you prove your innocence. That’s why it’s best to consult with legal counsel first, because they will advise you to do what’s in your best interests.
Despite it seeming like guilty behaviour, the truth is actually that guilty people constantly do all of those things freely. They might be overconfident about how well they covered up their involvement, or think they can convince police of their innocence with words and by seeming to have nothing to hide. In truth guilty people in murder cases generally co-operate to at least the extent of giving statements more often than they refuse any co-operation and immediately retain counsel unless they’re experienced criminals or are highly aware of police procedure. It’s not a reliable indication of guilt or innocence and any refusal on your part can’t be used against you in most courts of law.
Most people don’t realise the tactics employed in police interviews (formal and informal) are designed to lock the person into a narrative and timeline. Those details are checked against any subsequent future statements to look for inconsistencies or changes to the timeline or other details given that could be seen as lies or deception, or anything to contradict hard evidence.
You might think innocent people don’t or wouldn’t need to change their statements, but people are typically fairly unreliable witnesses and you could easily state something that is unintentionally wrong or you later remember differently and have it be seen as evidence of deception that could be used against you.
Even if in the short term you might draw suspicion by obtaining legal advice or retaining legal services, or just by refusing to co-operate in certain ways, it’s worth it to be proactive in protecting your innocence in case you’re unfortunate enough to encounter bad officers or departments. You won’t always have a police officer be stupid and hostile enough like Lilley where you’ll instantly know you’re the victim of prejudice and tunnel vision. Smarter police with those flaws will pretend they don’t suspect you and try to trap you with false courtesy and by misleading their suspect into not realising they’re actually a target.
Even police with good intentions are on the side of the victim, and will do whatever they can to quickly and easily obtain potential evidence to try to find the guilty party. People of interest and suspects are not the ones they’re interested in protecting, so if you are in that position and have done nothing wrong you need to understand they are not your allies. Your allies are yourself and your legal counsel.
You won’t have the right to free counsel unless you’re arrested, but if you feel you can’t afford to hire someone you have the option of consulting counsel without retaining them (for a fee), and you can look online for any reputable legal resources that might be helpful to you locally.
It might seem like I’m anti-police but the opposite is true, my specialty is forensic science so I can help the police find criminals. I just also hate seeing bad police work resulting in innocent people being harassed and even convicted and want innocent people to understand their rights and how the police operate to avoid unnecessarily going through what people like Marion and Lindy did.
People often assume their innocence will be quickly established by co-operating with the police without realising that cases today still often rely enormously on circumstantial evidence and that their statements and electronic data can be used against them in ways they could never predict and be warped to fit a guilty narrative.
Well spoken. As a forensic accountant, I completely agree. Occam's razor is the beginning of the deduction process not the solution.
When someone finds a mannequin in any true crime story, it's NEVER a mannequin.
The catchphrase of “This Is Monsters”. Excellent channel if anyone here hasn’t heard of it. 👍🏻
For real. Who has ever FOUND a mannequin?😅
No one ever finds one in any situation. Those things are expensive and I just don't see people leaving them lying around . And I honestly believe that I definitely could tell the difference between the two.
True. I watch so much true crime, the very last thing I’d think of is “mannequin”. I would instantly think “dead body”.
@@donnablack6280I love “THIS IS MONSTERS” he’s sooo comically dry and cynical it’s hilarious😂
Wow.another absorbing but sad story.you read these crimes so well.thank you so much for your work.x
My favourite way to spend Saturday evenings in Australia truly back for 2024 👍.
Thank you for your classy respectful retellings .
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Thank you for another outstanding presentation!
In the 70s and 80s the policework was shabby, they have improved since then. The sentences are still not enough for some crimes.
Always appreciate your time, skills & effort that goes into production..
You all resonate right off the bat >8-D
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I think I have heard of this particular murder before, but no one expresses and recounts it like Case Files ❤💕🙏
I absolutely love the format you use, it's class. Obviously less adverts on some would be better but we understand.
Excellent podcasts guys, the finest I listen to. ✌
These videos are at least 40 mins each, they need to get paid for their work. Plus UA-cam itself has been putting out more ads on videos because, yano, money again
Love your work, very detailed, very intense
I just can't wrap my head around the idea of bringing strangers to share a house with any young children. Single mothers should always be aware of that.
victim blaming isnt cool dude. its easy to look back in retrospect and be like "that was stupid to do, you should have known not to do thst" but thats incredibly disrespectful to this poor mother who already lost her child.
plus they said that she was a single mother struggling to make rent and needed to rent out a room. desperate people sometimes do things that appear questionable from an outside perspective because theyre in situations we could never understand.
What's cooler? Warning single ladies from bringing strangers around your kids or chiding somone on you tube for not being cool?
Desperation calls for dangerous measures. She had a child to think about. Lots of crimes occur where people took every precaution and still ended up a victim. Instead of blaming her for Bonnie's death, why don't you blame the killer. Her poor mother has gotten enough of the blame for over 20 years
@@l0vemyth single mothers know. Neither of you are educating people, you are blaming a victim for her child's death. She had to make a choice, either she and her daughter live in poverty and struggle or risk allowing someone to move in to make some extra money. She made her choice and she lived with the consequences for years. Get off of your fucking high horse and put yourself in her shoes
Not only victim blaming but also condescending.
Chidi? 😮 guess Bonnie ended up in the Good Place 👍🏼
Also too: if I had a nickel for every true crime story I’ve heard involving a woman not being believed/listened to/taken seriously who was **eventually** (& VERY often after additional, unnecessary victims being created) proven RIGHT, I could buy the literal EARTH 😖😡😤
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I worked with Marion after this tragedy, while she was still suspect, she was an amazingly strong woman.
That poor poor mother... I can't even fathom the hopelessness she felt losing her baby and having the finger pointed at her for all those years.
Can't wait, just tuned into this story, cheers from Melbourne Australia 🦘
During the first conversation while still in house with the child the mom just lost to poke or prod too aggressively would be a terrible mistake to make but to go straight to just staying “you did it huh?” Is such a wild wild thing to think a person ever thought to be the right move.
I just found this channel, and its amazing! So gd to hear an Australian accent podcast. I live in Queensland Australia 🦘
And suffer from extreme insomnia. These are the perfect bedtime stories for me. I do believe i am actually still learning as i sleep. These stories are much easier to hear subconsciously as i sleep, than my usual twisted night terrors on steroids!
Thankyou so very much. Your content is original too, a fresh and intriguing change from all the rest. Perfect intro too, no loud, jarring, drawn-out intro music thank god!!
Just the fact that your content caught, and kept my interest ( through the ADHD), is a definite YES, a " my new channel to binge )!!!!"
Luv and respect, from Queensland, Australia !!!🦘🌏🦘🌏🦘❤❤❤
Reason to smile 🙂 New season’s starting with a bang Casey I know you said you don’t really read comments but I hope somewhere somehow you feel the love you get from so many🤸♀️🤗😁
“Casey” 😊
Thats what happens when a detective gets tunnel vision. Nearly let that vile individual get away with it
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Preach!🤸♀️During the break I was practically getting withdrawal symptoms! 😅
Anyone who hasn't heard of Ron Iddles before check out his book The Good Cop , brilliant man and history of cases.
This Canadian style is a interesting argument in entrapment vs free confession,but it makes sense when studying style
There is something genuinely wrong with the minds of people who prey on children, I know that I’m stating the obvious. Their own pleasure comes before anything else I’m their minds, be it the law or basic morals that aren’t even restricted to humans. Their ego works in a way that convinced them that they are entitled in a way which makes them think that they are the only person who’s feelings matter. It could be from their own trauma/abuse, but I have no pity for people who use that to abuse others. I would and could never do anything that was done to me because I recognise how sickening it is. I was never physically touched by any of them thankfully because it was all online, but I’m still deeply traumatised by what they made me do but I am aware of that and am working through it.
I rent a room with a landlord I'm frightened of and I listen to casefile to keep me company while I barricade myself in my room at night. Stories help me take my mind off it even if its true crime. Im going to get out of here soon, i havent had any other place i can go or family, and the shelter here is terrifying. But i know ill get out soon. I hope anyone else out there going through something knows we can do it 😊
More than one victim in this :(
If it wasn't Malcolm's intention to kill Bonnie; maybe he shouldnt have plunged a knife into her small body.
Knife wound was post-mortem.Cause of death was suffocation. He shouldn't have done that either.
Love an early Saturday morning Casefile upload
Why do people always say it’s a mannequin? It’s NEVER a mannequin
I think it's the mind's way of defending itself against what it's actually seeing. I am not a MH professional.
Due to rigor a body develops after death often bodies are discovered in stiff, unnatural looking poses and have can have waxy, pale skin that can appear quite plastic-y. People are more likely to find discarded junk than a body in everyday life, after all.
It can also partially be a denial defence mechanism but from afar or if partially obscured and dumped a body can certainly look quite similar to a mannequin.
I’ve seen plenty of bodies where I can understand why the mistake could be made at first glance.
@@RightsForZombies Thanks for the education.
Never agree to be hypnotized...its the perfect set up to frame u
Lindy chamberlain was innocent.
Yes. Innocent
@@jodyreasonFar-QueSo so tragic.
@@lindaaspromonte1514 yes it was ❤️
😂😂😂😂
They weren’t trying to say that she wasn’t. They did a video on this about 4 years ago and went very in depth! Highly recommend that video for anyone reading this who doesn’t know about that case. It’s just called Azaria Chamberlain
I just do not understand how a grown adult could get it up for a little kid.
Oh.. now we're spoiled.. :)
Because what?
@@loredanadincu4300 because after 2 long months of pause (well deserved vacation, of course) 2 episodes in one week is like a blessing..
D'aia! :)
@@raradis the other episode was last week ( Saturday) . And they post weekly beside the two breaks.
@@loredanadincu4300 oook ..
(I am aware of that, thank you)
Well played by the cops. Similar to the undercover work on the Daniel Morcambe case.
I can't believe another criminal fell for the undercover operation lol
i know,right??? Surely now all future criminals will be AWARE of this blatantly obvious "STING" operation
Thanks Casefile...♥️
There's a movie inspired in this one. "The Stranger". Pretty solid with some great acting. It's in Netflix I think.
Do you know the name of the movie? 🍿
@@NuckingFuts56 It's in my comment. "The Stranger". It's on Netflix.
He was a convicted criminal for man slaughter and sexual assault yet he got a job as a personal carer, omg. 😦 I’m horrified.
I've watched some of the Mr.Big videos. I think its a great idea. People want to be in the gang and to get in you have to tell anything you've done like murder or kidnapping or anything criminal. Its easier to get in the fake organization if you have done something criminal. So these men tell on themselves. And then they end up arrested and its so funny to see the panic on their faces.
The problem is it gets used in Canada so much I don't know how it's not obvious by now. Since there's a financial incentive to tell them what they want a lawyer could argue it's a coerced confession. I don't really know what else you do in that situation though.
@DinoCism, that's the exact issue that has come up in recent year's. Canadian courts have had issues with prosecutions based on entrapment and defense arguments that the confessions or admissions are false and the acused were pressured into telling the undercover officers, who they belive are dangerous and potentially violent criminals, what they want to hear.
Basically, peer pressure, fear and boasting. Same tactics used that's known to elicit false confessions.
It goes to show, that police, are often judge, jury, and executioner on a case. Lucky that they failed on this one. Lilley should sleep uneasy at night, meaning guilt. Keep a look out, for people like Mal Clarke. Peace and goodwill.
Thanks Matey 👍
The lead dective in original aegation made up his mind the.mother had done iit and ignofed. Or dismissed anything yhat didnt fit.
I don’t think Marianne had anything to do with Bonnie’s death. She was innocent, just as lindy was. Police see so many cases where the parents are responsible for the death of their child and make the assumption that every child death was caused by the parents. It’s gross negligence to make that assumption and prolongs the victim getting justice.
Detective Lily should not be a detective!
Hypnotism is a terrible choice for "showing deception." Marion could easily be influenced to believe she was guilty. Geez.
Best audio . Loud clear
I can’t imagine that woman’s torment.
I always picture the narrator as Chase from House with his voice haha
Oh, no. Now I will always see that too! 😂
Police in the 80s "Single mother? Clearly loose morals, she must have done it!"
Those beer bottles…😂
R.I.P Bonnie I hope she is with her Mum and Dad now
Both mothers were innocent....police have failed extremely not doing their basic investigation properly
Both mothers???????
@@loredanadincu4300 I mean Azaria Chamberlain 's mother
@vaiscilia what one has to do with the other. There are two separate cases . And in that case she wasn't proofed for a fact . They did the inquest but it's all suppositions. They found only the baby' s jacket, not parts of the body or anything, to prove the cause of death for certain.
@@loredanadincu4300 the reason I mentioned Azaria chamberlain case is that the narrator brings that case in this video.....both mothers were falsely accused by public without strong evidence against them.... isn't it ??????
@vaiscilia again we really don't know that Azaria is really innocent. They didn't find the baby, just a jacket.
It is actually unfortunate that Malcolm was confessing to cops and not to real criminals as he would certainly have gotten a death sentence from them for raping & murdering a 6 year old.
Oh my gosh Chasers!!! Know the place very well🎉🎉🎉
That bad detective should be charged with the murder of the second victim that died at the hands of Clarke... Those two other woman wouldn't have been attacked by Clarke if the detective would have done his job and checked the ONLY possible suspect's alibi properly... The woman he murdered later would have still been alive so I think he should be charged with manslaughter or something like that...
Ok..this is going to be hard as only the ppl who know me, know this. I've never talked about it publicly before.
I was the victim of an unprovoked stabbing, on a train, heere in Victoria, Australia.
My kids, now 31 & 26 were only 14 & 9 at the time.
Ron Iddles was the lead investigator. He is an awesome cop. I never knew it was him who helped solve Bonnie's murder. I knew he was a really good sort, but knowing this too now, confirms my thoughts weren't just purely biased. I'm really glad to hear him getting the credit he deserves.
How he remained such a good guy after the things he's seen, is beyond me.
My Graddad was a policeman, but died before I was born. I know he would've been proud of & grateful to Ron. He was 1 of the rare good cops too back in the day, when there weren't a great deal who weren't corrupt at some level. I'm glad the boys in blue cleaned house & it's not such a rare thing these days!
I just wish my attacker got more than a year!! That was no fault of Ron's though. ❤
I'm sorry you went through such an awful, evil thing like that but so glad your survived ❤
@@TraceyMariexx Thanks Tracey. Me too, and pretty sure my kids are glad too, although occasionally I'd wonder..during their teen years! SO glad that 'era' is well & truly in the past!! 😅
Terrible investigation of poor Bonnie ‘s death . Tunnel vision can lead to dead ends
Yesssss
I started to cry because of how Lilley mentally abused Marion💔 she didn’t deserved this
A mother unfairly blamed for their child's death? Wow, detective lilley comparing her to Chamberlain was more on the nose he meant for it to be.
Poor police work with unbased prejudice on mother who was a victim also which also led further crimes by the same perpetrator … 😔
I know that the case is still ongoing and probably enough time hasn't passed, but at some point could you guys please do a casefile episode on Erin Patterson (AKA "the mushroom killer") at some point in the future?
Also I would love to see casefile covering the murders of Ebony Simpson and Jill Meagher 🙏🤞
The footage they have of his "meeting w the boss" is awesome. theres a lot of footage actually of the whole operation. This type of operation isnt legal in the US and other countries. The amount of manipulation the undercovers use is wild.
4 years for rape? Come on. Wtf kind of sentence is that? Only in the west could that happen :(
Lilley had tunnel vision,biggest error cops make
My comment was removed... I had written that I can't understand how a single mom could let a man rent a room in her house, let alone 12 to 14 of them! Also, I'm so happy Bonnie's dad was able to live long enough to see justice for his daughter ❤ and i feel terrible for her mom, despite her bad choice in letting strange men rent out a room in her home. RIP little Bonnie 💔
@texastea5686 My thoughts exactly. I can understand how a single mother would need extra income but renting a room to a male is not the way to go about it. I'm wondering why Bonnie's father was not helping with expenses. Young girls and strange men are a recipe for disaster.
And left 6 year old Bonnie alone.. she was a bad mother but still nobody should go through this
@@immir6647 I don't think anyone would suggest that she deserved to go through this. It absolutely could have been prevented.
Where was Bonnie's dad while his daughter was still alive? Maybe if he had financially helped them Bonnie's mom may not have had to take on any renters. The blame *always* falls on the mom and the dad skirts all the criticism.
James Toney was underdog going into this one.
A pensioner who lived in my apartment complex was an excopper from the Hongkong Royal Police Force back in the 80s. He briefly mentioned over a gin and tonic that back then, Australia was the place to run to should the crooks managed to get out of Hongkong and looked for a place to lay low or start over. It seemed he actually had valid reasons to throw shade.
How can a convicted rapist and killer can get a personal carer job? Totally irresponsible of the people in charge
Wtf 4 yrs for rape thats disgusting
We need to do a better job raising our sons.
So that cop just skipped over the creepy boarder? He is what’s wrong with the justice system, along with the lack of punishment for true criminals.
Poor Jane my god
Ron Idles respect this man he was a brilliant cop
I knew before the end they used the mr big strategy
No spoilers: I'm guessing this casefile will end with the way they caught the killer of Daniel Morcombe here in Australia.
Wtf didn't Lillie check all suspects alibis firstly bad police work
Some of these comments are reason for concern
If they were so coninved marion did it im shocked they didnt crucify her like they did lindy...convicted 2 months before bonnies murder
31:45 !!!!! no Simon, noooo! it's never a mannequin 😭
Is this AI? I like this channel, just asking, not from Australia/wherever the accent is from.
Definitely an Australian accent and nah it's not AI, the narrator has even done a Q&A on the channel
Straya Mate
Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi
Thanks all 😁
I'm American, and this is definitely an Australian accent, you can tell instantly.
I've heard of the same thing being used in so many cases now and I just don't understand how people fall for it I mean don't get me wrong in situations like this I'm glad they do but it could never be me anybody who has been involved in the street life or in any kind of criminal lifestyle and dealt with gang members knows damn well that they don't talk about their crimes especially anybody they have killed to anybody it don't matter who it is or what's a situation even if somebody is trying to use the police connections in order to get you off they were just assume as if they would come up guilty and do whatever it was that needed to be done to make it go away or to make the case fall through like have a crooked cop make some evidence disappear or something like that they would not need a 100% full verbal confession from you in order to make it go away that is such a dead giveaway right there
What does he mean digitally scraped
You should enhance your program by adding video.
It's Never A Mannequin!
Smart Canadians didn't like Joe Clark much either.