exactly lol. Heard a looooooot of stories of ex marines/army veterans or just soldiers in service saying their weapon being "military grade" is like saying "it's been used for only 7 years prior to you!"
I did the same thing until I felt a civilian AR15 copy and realized that military grade usually only applies to things that kill. Everything else is a gimmick for sure lol
To be honest, mil-spec aircraft parts are really high quality and cost a lot. The reason why switches in real military aircraft are so expensive is because if a switch would fail, they want to trace it back to the exact machine/factory that made it. They make sure they work for 40+ years
Finally someone makes a reasonably priced button box and it sells out in three minutes, lol. Ive been building my own for a decade using microcontrollers. At $135 it is worth it to just buy it.
I think it would be cool, if we all sent pictures of our own setups. Some of us, may have some very impressive setups..... and some of us may not. The video was very informative. Thanks you guys.
Things have come a long way since i landed my Phantom jet on a carrier deck aged 11 yrs old lol . The game was called Flight Deck and was a generic plastic Phantom jet with a plastic hook that was on a pulley that you had to land on a printed cardboard carrier deck . If you landed right your hook would catch a thread that would stop your plane and two plastic flags would pop up . The good thing is that with fishing line you could extend the range and speed of the plane . If you were really inventive though and had the diecast Corgi toy Phantom and some Meccano and fishing line you could really get some sort of feel to the game as the weight made the landing so much harder .
I have the pto2. I like it mostly. I just wish the landing gear, tail hook, and wing fold switches were made more durable. Being plastic, they can easily break imo.
Teacypher nice to hear from you. I found the parking brake to be a bit of a puzzle. The magic is this. Push the left side down once, then pull once. The parking break will be set. To release it, push the left side down again and it's done.
@@wildbillkelso2083 still, it would have made more sense to have a stepped retaining ring on the shaft of the brake handle so it would remain in 90 degrees rotation when pulled out like the one in the actual hornet does.
I am a relatively new DCS pilot. But I have come to enjoy the WW products. You might also mention that the PTO2 will mount to the same clamp as the DDIs if you already have the WW MIP. For me it was a perfect solution to be located under the Left DDI.
It does work. Unfortunately I have a cockpit and when mounted in this orientation it hits my knees. Even with myself being on the shorter side at 5'6 it's a little sad. The button box however is good quality.
I have both, the PTO 1 was built with much better quality. The gear and hook levers were made of metal, feel heavier, and have a much better satisfactory click to its function. The PTo2 looks nicer but the quality feels very toysh and plastic. The levers feel weak and easily breakable. The plastic break handle barely moves and does not hold in place. I will be selling my PTO 2 and will keep the original one
@@wildbillkelso2083 We're hoping for something shaped like the Apache CP/G controls for VR use. I have plenty of devices that can be mapped, but that's not what I need for this. There are VERY expensive options right now.
I'm disappointed that they are going to all plastic construction. I understand that they can't make the 3D front panel out of steel economically, but certainly the sides and back could have been steel. Their all steel construction is what attracted me to WinWing in the beginning and they now seem to be running in cost reduction mode (theirs, not ours as they didn't lower the msrp). I also have to give them crap for not making the mounting holes the same distance apart as the original. WTF WinWing? I agree, any excuse to go play in the shop but most folks don't have a shop....
@@KNJensen The handles are metal, but I think the newer Orion 2 throttle bases have gone to using at the very least a plastic top plate. I don't know if the sides and bottom are still steel, both of mine are the original Orions...
I think I misunderstood something, did you say that the Gear and Hook levers needed to be pulled out to raise or lower? I thought the pull function on both of those levers was only to trigger the emergency extension.
Yes, the gear and hook need to be pulled 5mm before traveling either up or down. There is a neutral center position that I tried to use while flying, so that I could just bump it either way to have it drop into either trigger. That didn't work so well, when I accidentally dropped the hook, while pressing the wing station buttons. I can't say it is so in RL with the tail hook, but having flown many RL retractable gear AC, pulling the gear handle before traveling up or down is standard.
@@wildbillkelso2083 I guess I'm so used to "click the switch and the gear go down" that I didn't know that was how it actually worked. I have the Saitek panels (switch/radio/multipanel) and the gear lever on those just goes up and down.
How the heck does skill get hit 4x, I'm in hospitals and doctors offices and other high risk high traffic areas and nothing? Yes i keep up with the vaccinations, it's mandatory for the job/s
I am trying to get hold of the Rafale........for DCS the link which you show in the video no longer works. Do you have access to the zip file still and can you email or send me a current link please. Great Video Channel... thank you
Im not sure if you have addressed this or not , but from the what WinWing site is saying the combat ready panel will no longer be available , which would be a shame . Is there anyone that can verify if this is accurate. Thanks in advance, great video, definitely helped with my decision to add this to my pit
I think you missed talking about the feel on the selective jettison outer ring movement which looks "cheap" and without notches like the first PTO had. Sure is better overall but it lost that it seams. Also the Braking brake movements looks really cheap and half done imho. And... gear and hook levers are so plasticky... I tend to hit things in VR (like the throttles of my Bravo quadrant.... they are strong but I sure would love those lever on PTO 2 not to be so flimsy.
Hey grim I have the PTO 2 but i cant get the lights to match in DCS when pushing the buttons to turn on. What did you do to get that to work. Example is when I pull the hook down the light doesn't light up.
Sorry got it figured out in case anyone runs into the problem. I updated the firmware and I had to go settings and DCS world configure and had to repair Lua. Working awesome now. Thanks for the help.
Hello Hope you’re doing great could you please make a video where the rapier system or maybe the NASAMS anti-aircraft system tries to stop russian close air support. There is a possibility of the rapier system being donated to Ukraine, but if that doesn’t happen it would be nice to see if other anti-aircraft systems could you do the job. or maybe you could do a simulation where they are used in a different way, whatever you want. By the way the Kinjal hypersonic missile is actually classified as an air launched ballistic missile, because its terminal velocity isn’t hypersonic, it’s actually below three times the speed of sound. It can go hypersonic, but only in its boost phase, even the V2 can go hypersonic during a part of its boost phase I did the math , the way is your model it is going at 4000 knots that’s six times the speed of sound more than double its actual terminal speed. I’m going to put an emphasis on terminal speed because it’s different from max speed in general
+GrimReapersAtomic *WinWinGᵀⓇ doesn't follow the Boeing original, unlike Tek Creationsᵀᴹ.* The Hook and Wing Fold levers, rather than to starboard, are to port. The switches are WAY too close to be practical, as well. If I had my druthers concerning the universal simpit, I'd transfer a Tek Creations spare LED Gear wheel to a VIRPILⓇ Control Panel #2 (VPC-402) on the port corner, and a Tek Creations spare LED Hook handle to a VIRPILⓇ Control Panel #2 (VPC-402) on the starboard corner. Tandem VIRPILⓇ Control Panels #1 (VPC-401) on the starboard level, and a Virtual Engineering Bureau ST⩥ECSᵀᴹ Standard, appropriately altered, on the port level.
only neede arm,a/g a/A and it would be completely. we all ready have left and right control panels. we not need silly combat ready panel bcoz those are what missing LOL pretty annoying. only thing is buy these from where buy other panels(cheaper) and get real look LOL MIP displays are only that winwing nailed. real look and playsment
Covid for the 4th time??? Sounds bad. Are you vaccinated Skill? I mean, I hardly know people who got it twice. Not that I am the major of reference points, but still ^^
If you're accepting gifts for reviews, don't claim to be "honest" or "unbiased" just say you're accepting the gift and tell people to interpret that how they will.
![WINWING PTO2 VS 1ST GENERATION TAKEOFF PANEL [A Side By Side Comparison] LIKES & DISLIKES](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/MEZsh7u20KA/mqdefault.jpg)
The phrase "military grade" always make me chuckle. People think that means it's high quality.....in reality it's usuallly just about good enough.
exactly lol. Heard a looooooot of stories of ex marines/army veterans or just soldiers in service saying their weapon being "military grade" is like saying "it's been used for only 7 years prior to you!"
@@michelestefanini5466TBF if its lasted 7 years in the marines, its probably pretty good
The cheapest thing to get the job done. Aside from the woobie, I love my woobie
I did the same thing until I felt a civilian AR15 copy and realized that military grade usually only applies to things that kill. Everything else is a gimmick for sure lol
To be honest, mil-spec aircraft parts are really high quality and cost a lot. The reason why switches in real military aircraft are so expensive is because if a switch would fail, they want to trace it back to the exact machine/factory that made it. They make sure they work for 40+ years
Finally someone makes a reasonably priced button box and it sells out in three minutes, lol. Ive been building my own for a decade using microcontrollers. At $135 it is worth it to just buy it.
I think it would be cool, if we all sent pictures of our own setups. Some of us, may have some very impressive setups..... and some of us may not.
The video was very informative. Thanks you guys.
Thank you KOS
Things have come a long way since i landed my Phantom jet on a carrier deck aged 11 yrs old lol . The game was called Flight Deck and was a generic plastic Phantom jet with a plastic hook that was on a pulley that you had to land on a printed cardboard carrier deck . If you landed right your hook would catch a thread that would stop your plane and two plastic flags would pop up . The good thing is that with fishing line you could extend the range and speed of the plane .
If you were really inventive though and had the diecast Corgi toy Phantom and some Meccano and fishing line you could really get some sort of feel to the game as the weight made the landing so much harder .
I have the pto2. I like it mostly. I just wish the landing gear, tail hook, and wing fold switches were made more durable. Being plastic, they can easily break imo.
Great review, hope Skills feeling better, loved the Skill erm ai/text to voice, lololololol
Thank you Chio . . . . He couldn't remember he had mentioned my piloting skills, but I assured him that he did. 😇 😂
Skil has never sounded better ;)
I agree!!😂
So do I! 🤣
Thanks Kelso, great job... although it feels like I am now obsolete!!🤣🤣
👀 . . . 🤔, Yes, Yes . . . 🤣
Pity WinWing don’t make panels for the Viper - it is such a popular model, IMHO they could get many orders for them
If only it was in stock. ;)
I like mine in the main, I think they missed a step parking handle, as it does not lock in place.
Teacypher nice to hear from you. I found the parking brake to be a bit of a puzzle. The magic is this. Push the left side down once, then pull once. The parking break will be set. To release it, push the left side down again and it's done.
@@wildbillkelso2083 still, it would have made more sense to have a stepped retaining ring on the shaft of the brake handle so it would remain in 90 degrees rotation when pulled out like the one in the actual hornet does.
I am a relatively new DCS pilot. But I have come to enjoy the WW products. You might also mention that the PTO2 will mount to the same clamp as the DDIs if you already have the WW MIP. For me it was a perfect solution to be located under the Left DDI.
Yes it does. I'm leaving that slot open for "something else" ???
It does work.
Unfortunately I have a cockpit and when mounted in this orientation it hits my knees. Even with myself being on the shorter side at 5'6 it's a little sad. The button box however is good quality.
Good morning top your video.. but I would like to know where and how I can buy the left panel on the side of the collective. Thank
I have both, the PTO 1 was built with much better quality. The gear and hook levers were made of metal, feel heavier, and have a much better satisfactory click to its function.
The PTo2 looks nicer but the quality feels very toysh and plastic. The levers feel weak and easily breakable. The plastic break handle barely moves and does not hold in place.
I will be selling my PTO 2 and will keep the original one
Well good commercial skills that is for sure!!!
I hope they work on apache panels, especially for the cpg 🤤
@@wildbillkelso2083 We're hoping for something shaped like the Apache CP/G controls for VR use. I have plenty of devices that can be mapped, but that's not what I need for this. There are VERY expensive options right now.
I'm disappointed that they are going to all plastic construction. I understand that they can't make the 3D front panel out of steel economically, but certainly the sides and back could have been steel. Their all steel construction is what attracted me to WinWing in the beginning and they now seem to be running in cost reduction mode (theirs, not ours as they didn't lower the msrp). I also have to give them crap for not making the mounting holes the same distance apart as the original. WTF WinWing? I agree, any excuse to go play in the shop but most folks don't have a shop....
thanks for the info, i will not be getting this then
The new F-15 throttles are metal :)
i will consider those!@@KNJensen
@@JK-dv3qe They seem VERY nice. But i went Virpil :p
@@KNJensen The handles are metal, but I think the newer Orion 2 throttle bases have gone to using at the very least a plastic top plate. I don't know if the sides and bottom are still steel, both of mine are the original Orions...
I think I misunderstood something, did you say that the Gear and Hook levers needed to be pulled out to raise or lower? I thought the pull function on both of those levers was only to trigger the emergency extension.
Yes, the gear and hook need to be pulled 5mm before traveling either up or down. There is a neutral center position that I tried to use while flying, so that I could just bump it either way to have it drop into either trigger. That didn't work so well, when I accidentally dropped the hook, while pressing the wing station buttons. I can't say it is so in RL with the tail hook, but having flown many RL retractable gear AC, pulling the gear handle before traveling up or down is standard.
@@wildbillkelso2083 I guess I'm so used to "click the switch and the gear go down" that I didn't know that was how it actually worked.
I have the Saitek panels (switch/radio/multipanel) and the gear lever on those just goes up and down.
How the heck does skill get hit 4x, I'm in hospitals and doctors offices and other high risk high traffic areas and nothing? Yes i keep up with the vaccinations, it's mandatory for the job/s
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I am trying to get hold of the Rafale........for DCS the link which you show in the video no longer works. Do you have access to the zip file still and can you email or send me a current link please. Great Video Channel... thank you
Im not sure if you have addressed this or not , but from the what WinWing site is saying the combat ready panel will no longer be available , which would be a shame . Is there anyone that can verify if this is accurate. Thanks in advance, great video, definitely helped with my decision to add this to my pit
The combat ready panel is discontinued. They might make a new version but there is no ETA on release that i have seen publicly announced.
It duplicates too many of the already existing buttons on the Orion 2 throttle base.
I think you missed talking about the feel on the selective jettison outer ring movement which looks "cheap" and without notches like the first PTO had. Sure is better overall but it lost that it seams. Also the Braking brake movements looks really cheap and half done imho. And... gear and hook levers are so plasticky... I tend to hit things in VR (like the throttles of my Bravo quadrant.... they are strong but I sure would love those lever on PTO 2 not to be so flimsy.
The selective jettison outer ring HAS notches at each description point. If you goto 08:50, you'll see Skil stopping at each detent.
Hey grim I have the PTO 2 but i cant get the lights to match in DCS when pushing the buttons to turn on. What did you do to get that to work. Example is when I pull the hook down the light doesn't light up.
To have all the lights sync with DCS, SimApp needs to be running in the background. Good luck,
Sorry got it figured out in case anyone runs into the problem. I updated the firmware and I had to go settings and DCS world configure and had to repair Lua. Working awesome now. Thanks for the help.
@@nakidpunisher You're welcome.
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Hello Hope you’re doing great could you please make a video where the rapier system or maybe the NASAMS anti-aircraft system tries to stop russian close air support. There is a possibility of the rapier system being donated to Ukraine, but if that doesn’t happen it would be nice to see if other anti-aircraft systems could you do the job. or maybe you could do a simulation where they are used in a different way, whatever you want. By the way the Kinjal hypersonic missile is actually classified as an air launched ballistic missile, because its terminal velocity isn’t hypersonic, it’s actually below three times the speed of sound. It can go hypersonic, but only in its boost phase, even the V2 can go hypersonic during a part of its boost phase I did the math , the way is your model it is going at 4000 knots that’s six times the speed of sound more than double its actual terminal speed. I’m going to put an emphasis on terminal speed because it’s different from max speed in general
But how to use this device in VR goggles?🤨
Kelso lmao Sledge
+GrimReapersAtomic *WinWinGᵀⓇ doesn't follow the Boeing original, unlike Tek Creationsᵀᴹ.* The Hook and Wing Fold levers, rather than to starboard, are to port. The switches are WAY too close to be practical, as well. If I had my druthers concerning the universal simpit, I'd transfer a Tek Creations spare LED Gear wheel to a VIRPILⓇ Control Panel #2 (VPC-402) on the port corner, and a Tek Creations spare LED Hook handle to a VIRPILⓇ Control Panel #2 (VPC-402) on the starboard corner. Tandem VIRPILⓇ Control Panels #1 (VPC-401) on the starboard level, and a Virtual Engineering Bureau ST⩥ECSᵀᴹ Standard, appropriately altered, on the port level.
🧠 💥 May I suggest decaf ☕ my good man?
only neede arm,a/g a/A and it would be completely. we all ready have left and right control panels. we not need silly combat ready panel bcoz those are what missing LOL pretty annoying.
only thing is buy these from where buy other panels(cheaper) and get real look LOL MIP displays are only that winwing nailed. real look and playsment
Covid for the 4th time???
Sounds bad. Are you vaccinated Skill?
I mean, I hardly know people who got it twice. Not that I am the major of reference points, but still ^^
If you're accepting gifts for reviews, don't claim to be "honest" or "unbiased" just say you're accepting the gift and tell people to interpret that how they will.