Episode Twenty-Three: Internet Crime Solvers | Violating Community Guidelines
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- When most people hear the word "vigilante," they think about heroes like Batman or Robin Hood. You wouldn't normally think of a vigilante as someone spending their free nights at their computer opening a cold case from 1957. Brittany and Sarah spend this week deep diving into the phenomenon of strangers on the internet banding together to solve crime.
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I live for the fact that this podcast just shouldn’t have been recorded due to Brittany being gone and Sarah’s nose, but y’all did it anyway 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 DEDICATED
and this one is a little longer and quality content, we’ve stayed on theme with this one and it helped me be productive while i listened 🥲
I like this because when they look too pretty I have to rewatch several times just to hear past the pretty. This episode is very lesbian listener friendly
@@abbyz13 askkshdjks honestely, but sarah is still so pretty with a (possibly) broken nose, and brittany is definitely both a natural beauty and gorgeous in glam
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absolutely fucking adore them both for this, sending them all my love they rlly out here steady grinding
“You have to be unhinged to think youre the voice of god.” YES.
I never understood how ANYONE could just call themselves are prophet or messenger and there will be people who just believe it
I've actually "cancelled" someone, although I didn't publish his information. This asshole had posted a video of a rat on fire (It's clearly a pet I'm literally on the verge of a crying panic attack just remembering it), to a Twitter account that posted photos of pet rats every couple of hours. I pm'ed him and told him to take it down, and when he refused I went to report his Twitter account. I saw that he very publicaly posted their name, that he was going to medical school, and even saying which school it was. I took a screen shot of the post and the messages he sent me, along with the very public information he posted, and then emailed the info to the college. Someone who tortures small animals would obviously not be the best doctor, and thankfully the school agreed. I saw him super angry about being kicked out of college a few days later, thank goodness.
Okay slay!!! I’m proud of u especially since that must’ve been traumatizing to see (and reliving it now). You go, @Krys ✨✨✨
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saved countless people probably by doing that, good job 👏
Damn that's a really scary person! Thank you for what you've done!!!
Ty....a dr doing that is so scary
Stanley needs his own text box on screen to defend himself while editing 😭
oh lol, good idea
stanley is fighting for his life during the editing process 😭
He literally would shake this up
Like true uuuuhhhhhhhhhh fashion you know? Like give us lil pop bubbles here and there of him calling them out 💀💀💀
fr! they should totally just have him as a guest on the podcast if he wanted to.. they would kill me
as a member of Anonymous myself i can confirm that i can't start cybercrime fighting until i've put on my gryffindor scarf and painted a lighting bolt on my forehead
Omg what are you doing here
nisiii i love you so much!!!!!
crossover moment got me goin crazy
this has me rOLLING
also
hey
when’s the collab of my dreams comin?
QUEEN NISA
collectively, we should cancel Stanley for making Sarah and Brittany use the word “vigilantism” that many times
I feel like a ton of “cancelled” people aren’t truly that, they take a break and say they e changed, people eat it up. Shane Dawson, Trisha Paytas, etc
And a lot of the time, they never address it upon their return. They go away at the height of the “cancellation” and return when the attention isn’t as much. Why would you bring back attention to something bad you did if a lot people already forgot - their mentality.
I completely get cancelling Shane for him doing blackface back in the day but Twitter cancelling him for making a crude joke (of which he does all the time) with no evidence as usual, Twitter just attacked him cos they were bored and had no other target, blackface? Bad bad bad but he doesn’t do stuff like that nowadays and cancelling him for a stupid joke is dumb, especially when the people that cancelled him are the sheep of the internet who refuse to do any research whatsoever
Shane is still making good content maybe not all people agree but he is trying and i like watching him now and rewatching his old videos he is funny.. lol idk why i felt like i need to defend him🤷🏻♀️
@@unexpectedmagicbee2587 I agree with the stupid cat joke thing, do people actually believe that?
He's done plenty of dodgy shit though. You forgot to mention him being inappropriate around kids.
I think Jenna marbles is a good example of covering ignorant things they did in the past. She didn't hide away, she went over and showed examples of past videos and properly discussed it and apologised.
Then there's people like starry Jeff and trasha paytas
Whos still watching Shane… 😭
PLEEEEASE do an episode on the “my FBI agent” phenomenon and the actual lack of privacy on today’s internet. And the contrast between younger generations making a meme about it and giving no fucks vs older people who are petrified of Amazon remembering their search for orthopedic insoles
I thought the episode where Sarah had Covid was insane but this one easily takes the cake 😭 these girls could be in full body casts in different continents and they’d still pull an episode together
which episode did sarah have covid in?
They’d literally do that I can see them now 🤣🤣
@@misquidedyouthfaceless youtubers p sure
its crazy how sarah's voice hasn't been affected by having no nasal input
Right?!?
A real mouth breather
when you have a deviated septum, you just learn to speak and breathe in spite of it.
this is SENDING ME ESP THE LAST REPLY
sarah wearing the nose plugs feels very appropriate. brittany is on zoom, sarah is heavily & visibly plugged up. VCG, y’all!😻😻
Peak hypochondria 🤧🤒🤕🤣
@Fanged toilet paper… fashioned into nose plugs. what was your point? 💀
This is taking me back to peak pandemic when everyone was doing Zoom calls at home and it was pure chaos. I’m surprises Dopey didn’t make an appearance
when you guys talked about influencers who have overwhelmingly done horrible things and have still been accepted in/re-assimilated into society, my mind immediately went to trisha paytas. the amount of crazy stuff she’s said and has still had a platform absolutely baffles me!!
Get fetishization of Jewish men is so blatantly obvious yet it’s not talked about very much.. the video by mr beard about it shocked me like she doesn’t even hide it at all
i’ve noticed that people excuse trisha’s behavior because they’ve made being problematic part of their branding. just because someone is blatantly problematic as part of their online character doesn’t mean that they should be excused while “normal” creators who don’t brand themselves as problematic are dog piled on. people love to catch mistakes from someone who doesn’t normally make them much more than addressing trisha’s countless issues.
@@spiderlassie Yeah it's not like she's a fictional character that does terrible things, she's a real person but people act like her actions don't matter because it's "entertaining".
not to minimize what they have done but y’all need to understand there are people who commit war crimes and still have platforms. people who have funded wars & loss of life are all over twitter. when you see millionaires and wonder why they aren’t truly cancelled, think about the true evil in this world that isn’t anywhere close to “cancelled” and reevaluate. as long as billionaires still benefit from slave labor you’re not gonna cancel little trisha paytas……lol
I guess the hack is: say so many awful, crazy things that no one can keep up or remember what you said in the first place.
This topic reminds me of the "Don't f*** with cats" documentary. That's one of the major reasons why the internet is a good tool to do something good against malice, especially when everyone rallies up
minus the part where they all thought they found the guy they were looking for- harassed him, & made him depressed & suicidal
@@jojo-rh2rw yeah.. minus that lol
im surprised theyre not mentioning how he literally murdered a dude, on camera.. theyre only mentioning the cats
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yeah I was baffled that the main emphasis was the cats..., the victim should've been the main subject by the end of it. but I'm glad he got caught
@@myspaceuser what i read was that the victim's family was very private about it and didn't want to be a part of it. so they couldn't delve into lin jun (the victim)'s life.
The only example of a person who’s actions were condemned but the individual was forgiven that i can think of is Jenna Marbles. Some of her old videos were brought to attention as harmful, yet many of those who were in the position to forgive her (people targeted by the videos) did in fact forgive her. people believed that the videos were not a true reflection of Jenna’s current beliefs and were ready to forgive her and continue supporting her if she continued making videos.
Exactly. She proved herself to be morally capable and earned our respect back. It shows that cancellation isn’t always a hateful mob, it can see the good in people.
I was gonna comment this same exact thing, Jenna was immediately who came to mind. Complete agree, almost as if she wasn't a target to be condemned but as if those old behaviours were.... and seen more so as acts that left those disappointed more than anything. We all know they were not the root of her morals and beliefs, exactly how you put it.
Also PewDiePie, after saying the n word everyone seemed to forgive him
@@oliolas Don't forget about the holocaust jokes!
@@oliolas I think the situation is kinda different. I think the majority of pewdiepie viewers didn’t care in the first place.
I think you guys should do an episode about your personal experience with christianity. It'll be very funny and insightful in a way. I'm speaking as someone who also left christianity not too long ago.
Proud of you for leaving! 💪💕
I feel like there’ll be a lot of ✨religious trauma✨on Sarah’s end
Sadly relatable
I’d love that if they could spin it into an “internet topic” to keep with the podcast theme
Maybe something like "religion on the internet" or "(not) being religious online" could possibly work? I've seen a few other people casually discuss this while talking about something else and it has been really interesting!
@@PerfectPerformances My suggestion for that could be the online support communities for people who have left religions and/or cults. For example, there are subreddits for ex-jehovah's witnesses and ex-christians; I've been a member of the ex-christian subreddit for quite a while.
As far as the "violating community guidelines" aspect of it, I'm sure that those support communities receive their fair share of harassment from people who still follow that religion.
I didn’t solve a crime, she wasn’t reported missing YET. But my moms friend is from Arkansas & his niece (or something) wasn’t answering her parents/friends. It had been 3 days & they were all worried. She had moved in with her boyfriend & stopped talking to everyone.
I knew the city she was from (not in) & her first name & last name (spelled wrong lol). I searched all social media, found every profile of hers. Searched tagged photos, following/followers, previous photos, etc. Found a guy that appeared a lot on IG. He didn’t have IG so I search her FB friends for someone that looks like him & I FIND HIM.
I find his whole family, their mechanic business & find out he works there & his dad owns it & he (which means she also) lives WITH THE DAD.
Next morning 8am sharp, he calls the mechanic place & ask if the guy knows the girl they were looking for. He said, “yeah, she’s dating my son, there at our house right now”.
MIC DROP.
He told the dad to have her contact one of her parents because they were about to report her missing. I def felt like Batman or something. 😂
i'll never forget when the conspiracy of children being sold inside of wayfair furniture hit facebook and everyone was piecing everything together under the guise of caring for our children. but it was so glaringly apparent that everyone only cared about being the person to "solve" the mystery. so so gross.
nothing infuriates me more than people (the wayfair conspiracy shit, the save the kids crypto scam, the qanon bs) treating children's wellbeing like a conspiracy. child trafficking is a real fucking problem!!!!!!! and these people just turn it into a goofy ass story when it is a real actionable problem with good people and real organizations trying to help alleviate it. but no, lets distract everyone from real solutions and real victims, and lets solve the ~mystery~ and just ACT like we care about children. shit pisses me off.
that's the qanon gateway drug. they don't actually care about children they're just looking for a gotcha moment and to take credit for being saviors
Same thing with the whole "liberal celebrities are child traffickers". Like, the lengths they were going to to read into the makeup Lady Gaga had on to say that it was an obvious sign that she was a child molester. 🙄 It was some wacky shit. And FB friends of mine were sharing that stuff on their pages.
i feel like the situation with Jenna Marbles would fit with “love you, not what you did”, she took action about the situation before really getting canceled but i think it still applies.
A really recent example Id say is Lizzo’s new song where a lot of people pointed out that she used a word they considered to be a slur and she apologized as soon as she saw and decided to rerelease the song without the word and from what I saw most people were thankful for it and respected the way she handled it
Don’t you guys think that people are taking things a bit too far? Am I the only one that rolled my eyes over the Lizzo thing? Jenna made those jokes in a time that was much different and that kind of humor was completely acceptable. As times changed, so did she. In a circumstance like hers, I think it’s ridiculous that people even bitched about her knowing that Jenna is truly a good person. We need to focus on real problems
@@bish_puddin Not at all, of course times have changed, no ones saying they haven't otherwise she should have been cancelled back then. And I think most people know Jenna is a good person but I also think minorities deserve the comfort of an apology. Imagine watching a creator you have loved for years and then finding an old video of them doing something targettting your community and no one saying anything about it. Everyone in Jenna's fandom deserves to feel safe so the apology was much appreciated. I think if she had apologised through twitter people would have accepted it just as much because she was so genuine. Both the choice of making an apology video and leaving indefinitely were Jenna's and I personally believe that she did it out of the kindness of her own heart and she chose to leave because she just needed a break and this was the perfect time to do it. There will always be bigger issues in the world, but that doesn't mean the smaller ones arent still important :)
im dead serious: i once found someone online that no one had heard from for 3 years. he disappeared off the planet and not even his family knew where he was. i didnt know the guy but a friend asked me to help him look, so i did some digging and found out he was serving 9 years in prison for armed robbery because he tried to beat a store worker with a baseball bat. took me less than a hour 👀
Damnnn teach me your ways!!!
a lot of nurses do this shit on tiktok where they admit to doing shitty things or talking about their patients in a shitty way. they get reported and then they are completely caught off guard when theyre fired. LIKe??? what did you expect to happen???
I stg, nurses and cops. Those two jobs seriously attract LOT of people who just want power over others. Like 3/4 of the mean girls from my high school are nurses now.
Shane Dawson was canceled multiple times, and people have just forgave him.
not to mention, its likely not the same people canceling him then going back; its new audiences who dont know/care + whoever stayed
that one…. i also thought of jeffree star…. that man has done so many terrible things and still has so many followers/fans
the way the people welcome the canceled youtubers back online reveals the moral standing of the people and not of the canceled influencers 🤔
Nah he’s a total flop now. I’m sure it bruised his ego too which makes me incredibly happy.
Why did I think that was a giant jukebox behind Brittany…but it’s just the door
Lmao same
I read this as juicebox
I never realised it was a door until I read your comment
Whats funny is both sides oh her background look like different versions of a jukebox🤣🤣🤣
@@kt-515 ohhh u r rightttt
being from Wyoming and watching the case take place from a local perspective, the Gabby Petito case was treated like such a game by the general public that it was sickening.
I think Jenna Marbles is a good example of someone who's been forgiven despite everyone agreeing that what she did was wrong
that’s true. it’s about how you handle things. no one can deny she did some things wrong but she showed that she was truly sorry
What did she do…I never watched her much and never watched a 15 minute commentary vid about it so I’m still clueless
@@VoiceDivine great question! Someone might have to correct me but I think it's because some of her really old videos during the first youtube days were based on many harmful stereotypes of people of color and I think she did what people thought was blackface.
@@vanessaibarra2012 that's pretty much it. The main issue was the blackface and harmful Stereotyping of poc, but she also had some pretty misogynist stuff.
The difference between her and someone like Shane Dawson though is that you can really tell from her later content that she learned from her mistakes, changed her behaviour, and tried to do good for the communities she harmed.
@@VoiceDivine in some old videos she dressed up as nicki minaj and did blackface as well as saying something that was a racist stereotype for east asian people. that’s what i can remember but it was a while ago so my memory isn’t great
I would be inclined to argue that Shane Dawson got the 'love you, hate what you did' treatment from a lot of us
i have to admit i was one of those for a while. i know enough now to know his actions *are* him and always have been but when it all started to really go down a couple years ago i was in denial 😅
i do think his omnipresence over the internet is over which is a step in the right direction
When I was younger I sadly was like that.. but I didn’t know about all that he did, just some of it.. now his face just makes me sick and I feel horrible I ever was a fan..
@@KingOfGaymes me too. when you just hear about the incident with the cat you think “there’s no way that happened” but as more and more comes out it’s like ew this really could be true based on other things he’s said and done
Er did brittany say how scary false accusations are 😬 as the takeaway of the j*hnny and *mber case
I think that "catching a predator" should be less idolized. It's so dangerous in so many ways. It can genuinely mess you up to consistently do that kind of thing and have to play along with that. But also, it puts you in danger from contacting a person you know hurts people, especially kids.
exactly. it’s very dangerous. while it can be good to out predators, when they’re pretending to be young people that just brings more predators to a site where real underage potential victims could be. as a criminology and psychology student who is hoping to go into restorative justice i wouldn’t recommend that anyone willingly puts themselves in those situations as it can do a lot of damage to your mental wellbeing
I also heard that the police cant do anything with the evidence as there is no victim
@@MilouPaint I feel like I've heard that as well. It doesn't help that so much of that content is faked
Idk man I find it so satisfying when big tough looking men expose these creeps and hurt them
@@user-np8yf8fj2w 99% of those videos are fake. And even if they were real, the creators of them would be arrested for "hurting them."
Trisha Paytas, Shane Dawson, Jeffree Star, James Charles…. also just any man in Hollywood are great examples about how cancelling is bullshit.
but the thing is that those people are cancelled to the general population of internet users. if someone openly showed support for them, they would get shamed for the most part. i think james charles might be the exception though but idk why
Johnny depp pushed for his trial to be televised so as much as it was invasive, that is something he fought for and won. He wanted it to be live streamed. Sorry Brittany
It was extremely important that it was televised for everyone to see what actually happened in court.
yeaaaah i wasn’t w brittany on that one. love her tho
@@aspannas I’m sorry but this is an absolute wild take. No, no it’s not important for the public to see any court case, let alone that one. I’d argue that it’s the exact opposite and that turning a private affair into a veritable horse and pony show is unbelievable harmful. Idk what type of brain rot allows someone to do the equivalent of throwing rotten fruit at someone in the stocks but somehow feel it was morally justifiable, but y’all all have it.
Right wing media spent millions of dollar on this circus trying to walk back domestic violence protection and congratulations y’all fell right into it.
@@alexisc3658 I never implied or said that every court case should be public, it should definitely not be. I thought it was insane to watch this trial, to have that much exposed, but it WAS necessary in this case. Amber's attorney went on tv and literally lied, if we hadn't seen the trial ourselves, we would probably have believed her lies. Johnny Depp is the one who wanted it live streamed for the public, for everyone to see the truth. He wasn't there to win the case, he was there to show the truth and all the evidence that was never brought up in the UK trial, which was a completely different kind of trial. And don't take this as I'm purely on his side, it was very clear they were in a very toxic relationship and both were toxic and abusive towards each other. But in the end, Johnny won the case big time and anyone can watch the trial themselves to see that, without speculating what actually happened in court.
'"Idk what type of brain rot allows someone to do the equivalent of throwing rotten fruit at someone in the stocks but somehow feel it was morally justifiable, but y’all all have it." I have literally no idea what you mean by that.
"Right wing media spent millions of dollar on this circus trying to walk back domestic violence protection and congratulations y’all fell right into it." nor do I know what you mean by that, I'm not american, I'm not well versed into your politics.
@@sweetembrace6706 No it was definitely necessary in this case for it to be televised, Johnny wanted people to see the truth for themselves, so that people can't speculate what actually happened in court. we can all see it for ourselves. Amber was the one who brought the whole thing to the public in the first place, years ago.
I don't appreciate you saying "yall", I'm not a part of the people you're referring to, I didn't see it as entertainment at all, it was a serious case of defamation about domestic violence. So I don't know what you're referring to when saying this is "proof" of that.
why the hell does brittany’s hair look ETHEREAL this episode??
it’s that florida humidity
@@love-in6hk damn I must live in a different florida cause it doesn’t work on me 😂
@@love-in6hk damn I must live in a different florida cause it doesn’t work on me 😂
ikr she looks so effortlessly beautiful
The dash cam is used in Russian cars because it’s highly likely that witnesses and or law enforcement will be easily bribed to alter the story in one party’s favor. Common in Mexico too.
I thought most people had dash cams just for safety? I’m not American tho so idk
im glad the way ya'll's zoom call was set up makes it look like brittany on the tv is actually looking at sarah as they talk it's quite amusing
My weekly dose of sarahtonin is here !!! Can’t wait to use it for my trip to Broski Nation 😩
So funny that yall think its 'so tragic' that the JD AH case was publicized because it was actually JD and his team that filed for the trial to be public and televised! AH and her team tried to get cameras banned from the courtroom but obviously that was denied. JD wanted there to be cameras there - take with that information what you will.
thank you for saying this. I wish they hadn’t said anything about it because it’s definitely changing my opinion of them
^^^
Thank you.. I was looking for this comment. When she said "we all love JD!!" um speak for yourself.... I don't love ab*sers.... Y'all loved a character he played 20 years ago. Get a grip plz. He is a grown ass man who is known for being an asshole. Ugh made me roll my eyes.
thank you for commenting this, I was wondering if anyone would push back against that. i'm really disappointed. i don't think i'll be able to enjoy the podcast anymore knowing their stance.
@@plotspoints I see why you feel this way, but i also want to point out that he did a VERY good job of pushing a very specific narrative, and I can see why a lot of people like Sarah and Britney would fall into that trap.
my favourite thing about brittany is that she is aware harry styles knows she exists and she still talks about her pickle feet. never change xx
LMAOOOOOO
If you guys are gonna do an ep on true crime UA-camrs, I totally get there are sooooooo many (the majority probably) that are just using these sad tragic stories for views-there are also though some creators who are extremely sensitive and discerning, who bring awareness to cases (often ongoing) that the media and society as a whole just ignore.
this! there are a few that i watch that families contact to help get information out, i hate that everyone recently have tried to make true crime channels the bad guy
agreed! kendall rae works with the families of some of the cases she covers and i think its amazing for people to be aware of whats going on and how easily it could happen to any one of us
@@haleypie22 kendall rae was exactly who i was thinking of! 💓
Also, Stephanie Harlowe. She's extremely responsible with the information she shares and debunks things that are more gossip than anything else. Her series are thorough and well researched.
@@haleypie22 kendall is an angel I love how she brings light a lot of forgotten cases and actually cares about helping the victim's families she is also always working with some type of charity and raising funds in her videos I have so much respect for that woman
okay i have to give you guys credit for ALWAYS getting episodes out even if someone is sick, in Florida, or someone has a broken nose from... things. i saw the tweets. i know, Sarah. anyways, thank you guys for that. one of the only UA-camrs that always pull through and get the beloved episodes out.
Not sure if this counts as “internet crime solving” but one time, another student logged into his facebook on my computer. A few months later, he started telling people how someone he knew messaged him, telling him he was going to perform and act of violence, and that this student was at the top of the list. My computer remember his login, so I logged in, took a screenshot of the message, and notified the police. They searched his house, found unlocked guns hidden in his house, and he was sent to a correctional facility and expelled from school.
wow! good job dude
You did good work!
5:56 Jenna Marbles, but only because she took the fall for her wrongdoings before light was shed on them, and she committed herself to leaving the internet, which showed that her remorse was genuine. A majority of the internet would've welcomed her back afterward, recognizing that her character evolved since she committed the act, and we still would if she ever chose to come back.
It showed fear and weakness
@@kichan3353 Huh?? I mean, interpret her leaving however you want bud, but she made the video herself. Imo it would've been more fearful and weak of her to go on w/o addressing the issues, hoping that other people just wouldn't find the content, than for her to take it on the chin like she did. It was pretty noble of her considering most other creators would rather wait until people learn about their wrongdoings, or until the subsequent backlash starts, to take responsibility for their actions.
@@kee-rockrandom1079 Also her trash boyfriend tried silencing content creators theyre both garbage
@@kichan3353 i think ur confusing fear and weakness for strength and accountability lol
@@kichan3353 so you're one of those people who doesn't think they're ever wrong and never apologises because it's "weak", huh. No-one likes those people.
When Sarah said teenage girls could break Watergate I screamed that’s a movie called Dick from 1999 the teenage girls are Kirsten Dunst and Michelle Williams. Will Ferrell plays one of the journalists and they are his source
I do want to say that the widespread publicity of the petito case was what led to her body being found, those tourists heard about the missing girl from the area they were camping in and went back and checked their footage and found out they drove by Gabbys van. people were very insensitive about it, but I feel like her body probably never would have been found if the case never went viral.
“We aren’t weaponizing teenage girls enough” 😂
when Sarah broke their nose and posted on their insta stories about it, I was SCREAMING. I'm so sorry you broke your nose but holy hell that was a hilarious way of sharing it
I'm so disappointed to hear Brittany talking about "false accusations" re: JD vs AH, and apparently she's liked pro-JD tweets...I'm just curious how being found a wifebeater on 12/14 counts equals false accusations? not to mention the implications of the US trial verdict--everyone knows AH lost the defamation counts, but not many know that JD lost the one count of calling her claims a hoax, so what that essentially means is that they agree she was abused to some degree but she's not allowed to talk about it. I know they don't care about losing one follower, but for Brittany to have fallen for an alt-right misinformation propaganda campaign funded by the Daily Wire meant to silence women and keep them from coming out about rape and DV...I just can't support them anymore.
Thank you........it's pathetic.
Actually the one count JD lost wasn't his, it was a statement his father made about Amber doing this on purpose to defame JD. And yes based on all the evidence she absolutely lied and SHE is the abuser not him
This is actually Stanleys podcast, you guys are just the spokes people
I want an episode to feature Stanley as a guest. I need to see the genius behind all of this.
Too add the Gabby Petito case- the people who had footage of her van completely exploited it and used her name for clout for way longer then necessary, it was pretty gross.
Hey Brittany, crocodiles actually live in Florida too! There’s salt water crocs that hang out in the Everglades, Florida is a hellhole of creatures that will kill you :D
if someone is being homophobic and transphobic I feel like telling what they did to thier college or job is fine because they did it publicly anyway, but sharing personal information abt them is crossing the line. And sending hateful message is also not very productive because that will just confirm thier opinion that we're just a bad people and they will proceed to ignore the valid critisim they're getting at the same time because thier getting so many messages
definitely. no one’s safety should be put at risk through doxxing but their employers etc. should be informed of how that person acts. it is up to the business or school if they want to keep someone on who has views that may not be appropriate or alight with their policies
Yeah like a girl was publicly racist on her profile and then told people what college they were going to and obviously they told the college and they declined her. (The college publicly claimed diversity/love as well.) I mean it sucks for the person but if you are that dumb to tell the internet you probably were already going to get kicked out anyways.
Britney saying “nev” instead of NEEVE IS SENDING ME
Came here searching for this comment, every time she said "Nev" I was screaming at the video like "NOOOOOOO IT"S PRONOUNCED NEEVE BRITNEY"
I agree that sometimes the true crime space can get disrespectful. I do think that one of the best things that is has done though is to show how poorly police can do their jobs and how unjust our justice system is. I think opening people’s eyes to this fact is so important to making real change.
The Russian dash cams is because there’s no car insurance in Russia so the only way to protect yourself if through dash cam footage
6:22 actually this can account for many mainstream influencers like James Charles, Trisha paytas, Jeffree star, Shane Dawson. The list goes on. They may not be as famous as they once were, but “canceling” doesn’t work. Our society is broken and allows predators on the internet and shames ppl that call them out. Even trans women get canceled for talking about trans topics and pointing out hypocrisies. I dont trust these internet warriors 😂 they have too much time on their hands and they are very strange.
I literally got attacked on tiktok for telling people theyre weird as fuck for supporting Logan Paul. Idc how long its been, dude exploited a dead person for views. But i was the weird one for calling people out for supporting him just because they think that he changed.
Literally any video about women or anything involving women has a comment section filled with mysoginists and incels who love hating on them. And you cannot call them out on their words because you'll get called sensitive, humorless, dumb if you didn't get the "joke" and so on. There's so many toxic people on the internet because no-one wants to actually interact with them in the real world. And sadly the most you can do is report them. It does make me question how many of such people might be ones I meet on a daily basis who have this secret opinion about me....
Shame doesn't work as an actual solution. It just creates anger. It may te.porarily correct the behavior but it doesn't create any sort of meaningful change in that individual. Shame can bring temporary control but really just creates resentment and hate.
When it comes to people online playing detective, I always remember when the Boston Marathon bombing happened and there was like a 4chan/Reddit (I believe) “investigation” that basically resulted in an entire community harassing the wrong person because they had decided he was the suspect even when he was completely innocent. That being my first introduction to internet vigilantism has definitely tainted the whole concept for me
Yeah and the guy they harassed commit suicide.
There's also the gamergate scandal from a few years ago. That was such a shitshow.
Amber heard scandal now is of the same scope. They're witch hunting her based on rumors spread by incels and alt righters, and lawtubers that were only paid to make pro-depp content.
This is the most common place happenstance in internet vigilantism and it should be looked down upon more but too many people romanticize it
Just like the Cecil Hotel case with Elisa Lam. Internet harassed Pablo Vergara who made Metal Music under the name Morbid. People accused him of killing her just because he made a video for a song in the hotel. 🙄 The internet can do wonders but it can also destroy people's life's very fast.
Are you serious? "We love Johnny!" on a broadcast, while his paid incel mob is going around abusing nearly all women and legitimate talk of sexual abuse?
They should do an episode on misinformation where half of the info Stanley gives them is bullshit and they have to figure out what is real and what isn’t lmao
When I think of internet vigilantism, I think about Aunt Karen on tiktok. Whom her and her followers find the identities of racist people from viral videos. Usually gets them repricussions at their jobs
would’ve been funny to position the mic up to the screen like she’s still talking in it
This topic is so interesting because you have an entire "good to bad" spectrum of how these things play out. From all the way to "horrible doxing, and cancelling someone and ruining their life for no reason" all the way to "picking up the slack for the police that haven't been able to give propper resources to adress an important issue, and solving years old cold case Files"
This last case against Amber wasn't about if domestic violence actually happen against her. The domestic abuse has been legally proven, this one was about defamation against his image and how basically she can't public talk about what happened any more.
it was just a way to silence her, i hate that people refuse to acknowledge the fact that depp was already found guilty of abuse in the uk. people completely lost track of what the case was actually about and treated it like some kind of football game. it was disgusting.
this is misinformation. The Sun vs. Depp UK case was also a libel/defamation case. The judge determined the newspaper could deem Amber credible enough to publish an article calling Depp a "wife beater." That's not the same as a criminal case. He has never been legally charged or "proven" to be a domestic abuser by law.
BotSentinel (cbouzy is the ceo, you can find him on twitter) also confirmed that over the past two years they've been running a research project on artificially generated anti-amber sentiment, and found that hundreds of pro-depp anti-amber bots go back to 2020 (that are made by fake accs).
These past six weeks have seen an increase in bot activity, which spread misinfo like a voice recording taken out of context (and released by his legal team), the dog poop rumor, etc.
Alt-right news outlet the Daily Wire spent $50,000+ on anti-Amber ads alone. All of the MRA/redpill/incels came out of the woodwork to spin the message too.
Even today there are people complaining that they can't remove the anti-amber hashtags off of their explore page.
Fyi - adam waldman - trumps 2016 misinfo guy - is depps lawyer.
@@kugisaski8944 the fact that the jury wasn't even sequestered and could easily look at the thousands of tiktoks of people mocking amber. the whole thing was a joke from start to finish. and he had millions of people declaring their love for him
The UK case had nothing to do with proving abuse… it was another defamation case against the Sun, not Amber, and was not intended to investigate abuse. It also did not include much of Johnny’s evidence and intentionally omitted evidence that made Amber look bad (including her not fulfilling her contractual donation to the ACLU and Children’s Hospital and lying about it). Further, the UK case was heard by a singular judge, no jury. And while I’m not saying UK vs US courts are better, there is a big difference in a case being heard by many people that were specifically selected to be unbiased towards the case vs one man who does not have to pass through such a rigorous vetting process.
Just found out I’m going to grad school in the fall. AND a new episode of violating community guidelines.. yuh the day could not get better
Congratulations!
Congratulations!!
Three weeks late but congrats on Grad School! 👏👏👏
I do agree sometimes people can go too far. But sometimes these cases need to be talked about. These people had terrible things happen to them and these stories could save a life. I think once you take the theatre out of it, if we don't talk and make commotion sometimes cases go cold
yes some cases do need to be talked about especially if they have gone cold or police don’t seem to be investigating further for any reason. they just have to be very careful because a lot of people seem to forget that these are people crimes with real people and loved ones are left behind who can see them making a crime out as some sort of reality show. i think if a case is ongoing it should be left alone but talking about cold or solved cases can reveal patterns to help other cases be identified and/or avoided.
This makes me think of Kendall Rae. She actually does things to help victims of crime, like working with the families and giving them her platform. She has even spoken out against true-crime being used as entertainment. There's no shock factor or dramatization, just explaining the facts.
Which makes me think, a lot of what I've learned from her channel hasn''t necessarily been life-saving, but still incredibly insightful. Like so many of these cases being mishandled by law enforcement, or prejudice leading to certain clues or factors being ignored. Even getting to see the ways a case can be solved.
for the true crime episode: there is definitely a difference between being interested in true crime and being obsessed with it. there is never an excuse for saying you have a “favorite” case or find serial killers attractive. however, a lot of violent trauma survivors find comfort in knowing at the end of the video, the perpetrator will be convicted. (unsolved cases are anxiety inducing and dreadful so for the sake of my point i’m omitting unsolved/active crimes) personally i’m against speculating on active cases or not giving accurate respect to the deceased and their families, but keep in mind the calm storytelling of a horrific event can extend normalcy to someone living in active trauma response.
Cough cough..... alaina urqhart🤣🤣🤦🏽♀️ MATP, is the definition of what you have commented. They make money off of telling a victims story horribly w barely any research. True crime podcasts are terrible.
I've never thought about it this way. It's definitely interesting. The different ways people deal with fears and traumas. But I still am confused when they put on makeup for example while talking about how a family got slaughtered... It's off putting, for me atleast. Maybe because I find it disrespectful? Idk death in my book doesn't get talked about easily and especially not dead people. I wonder how it is for other people.
Re: teen girls and Watergate. I need y’all to watch the 1999 classic “Dick” starring Kirsten Dunst and Michelle Williams. Sarah accidentally described the general plot of that movie
I would highly appreciate yall putting the other mic in the middle of the table when someone is on zoom so it looks like they are talking into it
Let's not forget Johnny Depp was the one who asked for it to be public
Hoodie Allen the rapper and his band were found flirting and luring underage girls onto their tour bus. He made a shitty apology, disappeared for two years and just announced a new tour and there are COUNTLESS supporting fans ☠️
I was just wondering what happened to that guy. Jeez
i feel like the gabby petito case, all the social media influx definitely gave brian laundrie the chance to escape the country and essentially get away with what he did. it’s so tragic to think that the petito family were so close to getting justice but with everything on tik tok etc gave brian the knowledge of how close they were getting to him so he could leave :(
i like brittany, but i wish she'd done more research on the depp vs. heard case. i wasn't with her on that one, though i do agree with sarah on how terribly obsessed with it people are (even though that is entirely depp's doing).
I’m going to be honest people like Shane and Trisha and a lot of different white creators have literally said and done racist things like saying the n word and got a slap on the wrist and still profits to this day… it’s kinda easy for y’all to say when it’s not constantly happening in your community. I’m gonna be honest I’m tired of white people telling us that this just “don’t happen” when it’s so common to the point where it sounds like y’all are being tone death. Idk why that urked me so much but..
jeffree star and onision too (both have almost a decade of consistent racist/abusive behavior). white creators can get away with just about anything when it comes to racism or cultural appropriation. like yeah they *might* get some negative attention for it but they will never lose their platform over it. usually their engagement dips for a few months before going right back to where it was
@@peanutbutrs exactly
YESSS i’ve been reloading my page for the last 10 minutes, missed u girlies fr. also why do Brittany and Sarah look so good over video chat, that’s crazy i look i’ll.
Loved this episode! Also suggesting an episode on manifestation, subliminals, and reality shifting 🥴
I’m glad y’all said something about Johnny depp and amber because people are literally making edits of them and using the audios from the trial and trying to make it like cute and aesthetic or whatever and it’s just like what the fuck are you doing that for it’s bad enough that shit was public and now people are making a collage of them it’s just crazy
VCG TIME LET’S GOOOOOO
Edit: holy shit the word-of-god telephone thing is literally how saints work in Catholicism, this is amazing
I really wish the definitions yall read to us would be easier to understand (less complicated words etc). Maybe its because i'm not a native english speaker but its really hard to follow what yall be saying when its so many different complicated terms
Depp petitioned to have the case in Virginia, so it would be televised. Also, the case was literally about whether heard was allowed to say he abused her. The jury basically said, yes he abused her but not that badly and she hurt him worse so he gets a lot more money than she does.
DEFINITELY, not on either Heard or Depp’s side, they both clearly need a lot of help, but the information being circulated is misleading.
The whole thing was none of our business in the first place and our reactions as a whole revealed so many gross ass things about society.
@@sweetembrace6706 The whole thing is mortifying.
Excited for them to run out of topics and just have a stream of consciousness that accidentally goes on for 2+ hours
It’s so wild to me that society has tried to rename, and reframe people taking accountability and having consequences to their actions as “cancel culture”, simply because it’s for people who are rich and famous, and even more ironic, that they receive backlash, but still often hold their positions and support in their communities, afterwards, no matter how they may have handled the response & backlash.
not me just yesterday replying to every comment misgendering Demi Lovato on Buzzfeeds insta post...it's unreal how many people dont understand the implications of their actions/words
Humans have been obsessed with true crime for AGES, this is in no way a new trendy wave of interest. Jack the Ripper was probably the first major modern serial murderer to completely capture the world's attention and obsession in 1888, newspapers literally asked people who their favorite criminals were in the 1930s, and In Cold Blood written by Truman Capote in 1965 is one of the most influential true crime novels ever written. Love yall!!
I’m mean public executions were a huge things for centuries before that even. People would literally take the whole family to go watch the local “criminal” be killed. A lot of true crime podcasts and ESPECIALLY live-streamed court cases are just an extension of that. Entertainment before truth and justice.
@@sweetembrace6706 I'm 1,000% saying that, just because we have the access to see and know what everyone is interested in BECAUSE of social media doesn't mean that true crime obsession is happening in a vacuum, and it's actually pretty ignorant to disregard the entirety of human history just because you live right now. We all used to sit around the TV every night watching 60 Minites, 20/20, Unsolved Mysteries, Forensic Files, etc. after dinner, and I bet you can name at least 3 other true crime novels that have continued to be best-sellers over the decades since they were written. Im not arguing that social media is not evil, but it only exposes the evils of humanity--"morbid fascination" has been a phenomenon for centuries.
love you guys but agree with the comments that saying no influencer has ever been excused for their behavior and then beloved again when shane, trisha, the paul brothers, and james charles exist. maybe not on purpose on yalls behalf but kiiiinda gaslighting
And pewdiepie, leafy but youtube banded him, he was not really cancelled and he had a lot of supporters and probably a tone of others. I mean I cant even think of an influencer or content creator that hasnt come back eventually after taking a break.
Which is fine i dont think people just be for ever baned from the online community for thier mistakes but many of them are left with a following base that do not care about these issues and they continue to make content for these people. Like Arielle Scarcella if you know who she is, she simply do not care anymore.
@@MilouPaint why should pewdiepie be cancelled??
My boyfriend lives near where Gabbie lived, and when she was found the city put a big billboard up saying “we are with the Petito family” it was beautiful and so nice to see
In regards to the Unite the Right march in Charlottesville: someone did die. Some a55hole deliberately drove their truck through counter protestors, killing a woman and injuring 35 others. I went to UVA, and graduated a year prior, so know the area well (and was personally *incredibly* concerned about my friends that still lived in the area that were there to counter protest). This guy drove through counter-protestors in a super confined space on the Corner right near UVA grounds - there was essentially no escaping him. I hate that someone uninvolved in the Unite the Right rally was dragged for being there, but I'm also super pro calling out people who were identified to be involved. What happened in Charlottesville was despicable, and I'm ashamed that the city ever let a rally like that be held in the first place.
with the piercings, sarah's nostril tissues look kind of like a piece of futuristic floral jewelry
41:37 THANK YOU omg I had to leave social media for a bit because of how invasive people are about this, and how domestic abuse was memeified. Whenever someone criticizes this or even suggests that this case may not be completely black and white, they get dog piled on. It’s just exhausting
Brittany's "what's up" bit always kills me 😂
I think Bo Burnam was able to do the whole integrating back into media thing, he has said some offensive stuff in his jokes way back when but owned up to it, and now we love his inside special and we ate up the outtakes like fiends, he knows he can be a lil shit but owns it cuz we all are little shits 😌
I misheard and thought you said "a woman killed her kid with her high heel (...) and she was a repeat offender." I thought you said *a woman killed multiple children with a shoe* 💀 bruh
So like…are we for or against people trying to help solve crimes online/social media? 🤨
What about the Tiktoker who found Gabby Petito’s van???? Without that girl posting that, they probably still would be looking for her body - she was found right by the van.
Not against but also not blind to the harm it can do. I believe this is what they are reflecting on. How there is good that can happen from it and how it can also get extreme, like for example people getting wrongly accused of murder and getting harassed.
this podcast is the only thing carrying me through this year. to next monday 🍻
I've never heard internet vigilatism so many times in my life.
a case of internet vigilantism actually happened in my hometown, where a guy was exposed for being racist, homophobic, transphobic, and just about everything bad you can be. i’m not sure if the school expelled him or not, but he left (the school and the area completely) out of the social shame he was getting from everyone else seeing how bad of a person he was. and i truly don’t feel bad for him, he’s a bully and a bigot.
Yesss! Favorite part of my week. You guys crack me up so hard.
people on 4chan once located shia labeouf by a single photo of his flag like in the desert based on plane routes and star constellations or something wild
i can’t wait for the true crime episode. i feel like a lot of the true crime community is really weird, like putting on makeup while talking about a family being slaughtered just doesn’t seem right to me😭i can only watch eleanor neale because she’s so respectful to the victims and families
Omg I know right? People like Bailey Sarian freak me out
Look I understand some of what you guys were saying about true crime UA-camrs and web sleuths BUT if it wasn't for them my uncle wouldn't be getting his conviction overturned and finally coming home after 17 years. He was convicted for something he didn't do and the evidence was there and pointed to someone else completely but the crooked cops and lawyers wouldn't let that evidence come to light. If it were for a couple true crime UA-camrs that helped my family we would've never gotten the right guy, the evidence or the attorney we needed to get my uncle out. They honestly do more good then harm and are actually doing something positive to help unlike other UA-camrs who only care about themselves. Just wanted you guys to hear this coming from an actual family who has been impacted by those people, not just that but when my best friend was killed in a hit and run it was the internet who helped us find the driver, there's always going to be bad people that do things for the wrong reason but it shouldn't outshine the good ones. Thanks.
I’m so sorry that happened to your uncle and your family has had to go through that, but so glad that he gets to return to his family!
@@Fubs_the_queen thank you, we are extremely grateful, that's why I wanted to inform everyone that not all true crime content creators are bad, they can be extremely helpful and have saved and helped many families in different ways.
@@cassy2789 I totally agree, people like Kendall Rae, Danielle Hallan and Stephanie Harlowe do such great work, take time on their research and involve the families.
very much disagree with doxxing people even if they are a terrible person. generally if someone is ignorant, keeping them away from resources that they could use to better themselves is only going to lead them to worse places. just an opinion :p
Yeah two wrongs don't make a right. Let them face repercussions properly if possible so they can hopefully better themselves.
i went to hs with a guy who got arrested from raiding the capitol, and he was a grade above me and i guess the reason he got caught was bc someone reported his facebook from my HIGHSCHOOL😭 his name was alexander sheppard or something like that, they got pictures of him and everything.
i dunno what it is but sarah's looking particularly gender this episode..... maybe it's the nose gauze. they looking good
Johnny depp petitioned for the trial to be public. The criminal justice system is a public institution and the public has the right to know how it’s functioning with total transparency.