Carl Hart: Heroin, Cocaine, MDMA, Alcohol & the Role of Drugs in Society | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
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0:00 - Introduction
1:53 - The experience of drugs
12:57 - Drug use for grownups
18:40 - Studies on drugs
19:50 - Negative effects of drugs
25:18 - Should all drugs be legalized
30:47 - War on drugs: positive or negative
36:39 - Proper, positive, and misuse of drugs
40:59 - Recovery
47:53 - Drug depiction in movies
51:24 - How the study of drugs changed Carl
53:48 - Formative memories
58:16 - Greatest hip hop artist of all time
1:01:38 - What mind altering drugs teach us
1:05:45 - Advice for young people
1:07:51 - The meaning of life
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1:53 - The experience of drugs
12:57 - Drug use for grownups
18:40 - Studies on drugs
19:50 - Negative effects of drugs
25:18 - Should all drugs be legalized
30:47 - War on drugs: positive or negative
36:39 - Proper, positive, and misuse of drugs
40:59 - Recovery
47:53 - Drug depiction in movies
51:24 - How the study of drugs changed Carl
53:48 - Formative memories
58:16 - Greatest hip hop artist of all time
1:01:38 - What mind altering drugs teach us
1:05:45 - Advice for young people
1:07:51 - The meaning of life
Hamilton Morris at some point??
If your ever in Chicago holler at me, we can taste test all the drugs lol
All jokes aside this is a wonderfully refreshing interview Lex, thank you very much Good Sir.
Thanks for this upload. You do a great job asking questions that we all want to ask to interesting guests.
😎 Really appreciated listening to Dr. Hart! Thank you for having him on!
About 90% of all motorcycle accidents occur within the first year of obtaining a license, at intersections, under poor traction conditions. Stunned when I learned that avoiding riding after 6 PM within the first year of obtaining my license, being extremely cautious at intersections and just avoiding riding all together under poor road conditions essentially shrank the likelihood of killing myself by upwards of 80%. Education has ALWAYS been the answer.
That’s a powerful application of data!
@@alexs6250 Data is the future my friend, well data and machine learning, actually data, machine learning and neural networks, also Markov chains . . . ah forget it! lol!
As a newly qualified motorcyclist, I owe you one!!
@@robertloader9826 Definitely be very careful. I was driving for about 15 years without ever wrecking. But after getting my first motorcycle I put it down 3 times in 2 months. Once was from someone putting oil on a dirt road and it ran down into a puddle on the corner I was taking a little fast.
Right!??
I absolutely loved the intro, "you are a free thinking being, the main character if you will, the hero in a story that's being written by you. So at the end of the day, you are responsible for the choices you make. So choose wisely"
Loved it too.
However two obvious questions that haunt me:
1. Who is the character lex is referring too? Is the character itself not a concept?
2. Any thought arrives automatically without any choice. Any choice again is a though which arrives. So where is the choice?
Conclusion: there is no agency, no person and thereby the idea of free will is laughable.
The end.
@@deedhesi8014 It depends …if you as a married man saw a hot girl by accident ,poorly dressed and you got an erection you didn’t “choose” hence you are not accountable per se . HOWEVER , If you all the sudden went online looking for porn to watch and masturbate that is FREE WILL. The reason being that you could have dismissed the desire and moved on but you CHOSE (free will) to do it. Free will does exist I disagree with you. The thing with drugs however is that they can be dismissed early on but when you are a heavy user your BODY has made adjustments to accommodate for the drug to the point that being without the drug causes huge discomfort until the body goes back to its original form …you both have free will to not start taking the drug at all and also to want to get off it. But in the later choice it becomes more difficult because you (your mind) are now battling against your own body
It’s not society pay for too why they takes anyway because intertwinement or you have too much money or the person nothing to make their life happy anyway that momentary
@@deedhesi8014 0 hoes
@@kawataufik5098
Everything is momentary
As an adult user of drugs, this man is on point all the way. If you have your life in order, the danger of most drugs isn't very high - as long as you are careful. Alcohol is probably the most damaging drug we have access to. We need more conversations like this. I'm speaking from a postion of someone who has access to food, who doesn't worry about bills, who has a good job, who is in a healthy committed relationship, who has a family, who pays bills, who has a home I feel safe and comfortable in, who has stability, no psychological disorders or mental health issues, and who has other physical, social, and artistic outlets...so drug use isn't a problem. Not everyone who uses is in that boat, and addiction and the danger of drugs comes mostly from these areas lacking security. Making drugs illegal has done so much harm and cost so much needless death. Regulate purity. Regulate strength. Standardize dose. Make addiction services readily available. Our thinking is so backwards when it comes to drugs. The only time I've had bad experiences with drugs, and it's mostly alcohol, is when my life is in disarray or when the drugs were impure.
Someone finally giving Carl the interview he deserves. Thank you.
John Stossel did an excellent interview with Dr. Hart years ago.
Joe Rogan did a good interview with him.
@@vickielawson3114 True!
I have listened multiple times to his argument. Yet there are many flaws, he is ALWAYS sober when making his point. I really need to observe him high to get a real observation.
Joe Rogan has interviewed him and that was one of my favorite episodes of his podcast. I’ve read Carl Hart’s book and he presents strong arguments that support legalization and regulation, things that I (as a libertarian) have always agreed with.
I remember when I first heard that all drugs should be legalised and regulated and I dismissed it as ridiculous. After going down the rabbit hole I soon realised it is the best option for society and individuals
thats the problem with me an addict speaking about this which ive spent 13 years thinking, actively researching or using trying to speak with a normal person who has only seen clips of the worst of the worst examples which theyll never understand. glad you actually took the time to look into it because people are dieing at a rate never seen before because the drugs are illegal
My 1st year in college I naively picked the war on drugs for a research project. It kind of ruined my academic interests. After looking at its history and current state I can't see the limit of absolute horror for the entire world. The feeling of being cut off from 40 years of extreme doses of morphine just to treat pain cuz a grenade blew a guys legs off in Vietnam is terrifying. His physicians would lose their licenses because obviously he's addicted, that's bad, so chop. Take some Lyrica and after you scream for hours you can get a Vicodin to quiet down and the DEA won't arrest any staff.
If course it is. Clean drugs and also less use. I’m from Germany weed is illegal there and the police can stop you at anytime for no reason they have road side controls where they put every car out it might search you or have you do a drug test. So what happens is like a friend of mine he can basically never do anything or go anywhere because he smoked some weed the day before and now he’s afraid he’s getting stoped and loses his license so what is he doing he’s smoking the next day again because he can’t really go somewhere. If it was legal it might would just be a once a week thing
Unfortunately a large part of our society isn’t very bright and refuses to look at the other side like you did.
@@martin8829 the fact weed is illegal but alcohol is legal is absolutely the stupidest thing in the world. One kills millions and is legal and the other has killed Zero.
I saw him being interviewed on networks and they focused on slapstick questions around heroin and didnt want to discuss the studies. This is probably why academics do not have conversations in public. Thanks for sharing.
Also people making digs at him saying "the drugs are clearly taking its toll" on his appearance, getting angry over this stuff; not imagining its facing years of resistance would cause you to age, look bad some days, and have had enough with hearing the same tired myths spoken as authoritative fact. Even though you're a leading scientist sitting across from them, talking to plebs on this subject, telling them they're wrong and they still go "Idk im not sold but its interesting"
Most people are stupid.
Academics have conversations in public all the time, but non-academics (and a lot of fellow academics) never read them. They wait to hear the soundbites in snipped podcasts.
In some places Academia is pretty much mostly trash and a waste of time.
@Jsin969 whatever school you went to definitely didnt help your spelling
One of the best guests you have ever had. He see the “drug issue” with clarity. Buying his book.
Me too. Thanks for your comment; I remember him on Joe rogans show. I was too young to buy his book back then.
Carl is a sweet heart. I spoke to him & Matt Johnson last year(2021) at the New York Academy of Medicine Library and I’m glad I took the opportunity to meet & speak with him.
how can you compare alcohol with drugs where the visual difference between 0.1g and 0.5g can be ignored and that can be fatal.
and the changes in your brain's chemistry just from minimal usage can be detrimental to your performance at the least. mdma gets your serotonin receptors to downregulate and when you're off it you will feel depressed. cocaine releases maximum amounts of dopamine, unlike no possible pursuit, and after that you will have a hard time motivating yourself to do things.
@23:57 probably my favorite moment all-time from this pod. The humility to instantly let go of convictions that Lex puts on display is super admirable.
Lex was correct and dr hart was wrong like always and this is coming from a former opiod addict. He constantly downplays the effects of hard drugs and its disgusting frankly. This man is an addict in denial and anyone who cant see it is blind.
Yeah. I didn't even see that. But when I looked back it moved me deeply. Thanks
This is the most divisive Convo yet keep it up lex you never cease to amaze me with your guests. As an addict I appreciate both sides and as a shitty wanna be intellectual I stand in the middle thanks for this. You do more for people than you will ever know. Thanks brother.
same. at least we got each other .lol
You know you best and maybe aren't where you imagine yourself but if you're picking up what they're putting down maybe you're not wanting? It's an inside job n you're putting in work
The thumbs up for this video show that it is not that divisive.
I am a wannabe intellectual too😅
Either get on board or get out the way. People are suffering and dying because of prohibition. Standing in the middle is contributing to untold death and destruction . End the drug war already
Love this one: "If you want a problem not to be solved... just give it to the military or the cops".
As someone who works in a homeless shelter with individuals in pain, this interview is a breath of fresh air.
People like you should really have your opinion heard in matters like this, people who actually have interactions with struggling people.
@@GyzelE Yes!
100% agree. The government has no business getting involved in how people relate to their consciousness. In the words of Terence McKenna, the government should stand down on this issue.
Yeah, but do you ever feel weird knowing that the government made some of the drugs you "enlighten" your consciousness with?
@@puddinpop1835 Nah, they should come along for the ride.
So glad we end with thanks for spending your valuable time rather than "wasting" valuable time. I know it's minor but it's such a nicer way to wrap things up! Always love the podcast
@@dekroplay5373 It's a way of expressing humility
Who is ending their podcasts like that? They should definitely stop lol
@@Skip2MeLou1 It comes across as insecurity. Glad that Lex stopped saying that.
Indeed
I thought Carl's initial discussion with Rogan most recently was by far the most elegant description of dumb, easily manipulated people. Rogies brought it up as a mistake but it should be studied as a diamond among millions of nasty turds that are people hurled at us.
This is one of the most needed conversation to be had today! Thank you Mr. Fridman for all of your work and all the mind blowing quests you have and for the perfect questions you asked! Pure awesomeness man! Love you so much!
My first thoughts listening to Dr. Hart were, “HUH??!” But at around 20 mins and on everything became very clear. Fantastic work. 💛💛💛
It's the dreads. Definitely not, you know, the color green, not the best fashion choice. He's a f*ckin Saint
@@mikewhite5039 i was referring to the content of the dialogue, I’m in an applied counselling program specializing in addictions and a lot of the material being taught isn’t in step with Dr. Hart’s research.
Beautiful work with Dr. Carl on this Lex, simply splendid interview. Let's keep the conversation goin!
“…society’s going to crumble.” Dr. Carl Hart. and yesterday I heard Lex’s interview with Dr. Noam Chomsky saying there is no hope for civilization. I’m on day 120 of “One Year No Beer” and thinking about this makes me want to go buy a six-pack. Good thing it’s 2 in the morning.
Love your podcasts bro. Lex appreciate your work... Knowledge is power and you deliver a ton of it with your guests.
The podcast I’ve been waiting for
Same, knew this episode was imminent. Very pleased
What’s the biggest negative effect of Heroin? “Constipation.” Whatever. Give me a break. Hollow interview.
@@tmjmccormack The dude occupies one of the most prestigious positions in the scientific community. Born in a crack ghetto and broke away from the orthodox (all of his peers, government, society). Not trying to troll but brooooo.....
@@mikewhite5039 exactly
I wish there were more places I felt safe discussing my drug use. We need to start a movement! The war on drugs must end!
I had the pleasure of taking a drugs and behavior class and the professor loved Hart’s work and had us read one of his textbooks. Suffice to say, it was incredibly eye opening!
I used drugs, i use drugs, it saved my life and it made my life and the life of the people around me better. It ain't called consciousness expanding for nothing you know. Awareness is at the basis of everything. Ignorance isn't bliss, it only creates chaos and suffering.
Thanks guys for the great conversation.
There a big difference between pot and mushrooms vs meth and heroin
@@JakeWitmer but there is. Low dose lsd/mushrooms will follow pot.
But meth, crack and heroin is something else.
@@Jay-xr3sb lol . ITS not like drug is Bad if its really addictive .
Ignorance is bliss that is a fact. Chaos and suffering is a fact of life. Chaos breeds higher order breeds higher chaos and on and on.
I sometime pray I was more ignorant than I am, the ignorant people get to fuck, have fun, be reckless, and they turn out fine. While the more intelligent people generally suffer more although it is usually self inflicted suffering from the mind, anxiety depression etc. ignorance is bliss, and it is a saying for a reason.
@@perseenreika3126 Nothing about what they correctly stated implied that at all.
He's basically just advocating harm reduction and responsible drug use through education and proper regulatory procedures.
Which is the most reasonable start to addressing a complex societal dilemma we all face.
This guy is a fool. Sure alcohol is an accepted drug that has plenty of health issues and low/medium dose mushrooms can have benefits etc.
But he throws in Heroin and Cocaine like its something we should be able to buy with candy. He's a joke.
@@Jay-xr3sb What do you think would happen if medical-grade cocaine and heroin would be sold in pharmacies over-the-counter to adults?
Would it be worse than around 1900, when it was? Would it make it easier or harder for people who currently buy it on the street to stay/get back on their feet?
@@Jay-xr3sb his argument was that heroine and cocaine ARE available like candy to those that can afford it, and it’s being cut with dangerous fillers that are the cause for “the majority of overdoses”. If it were regulated in dosage and purity it would be less dangerous then it already IS.
@@jsmrt6875 but the point is, in the process of eliminating impure drugs to reduce overdoses, he wants to legalise hard drugs to any 'adult'.
He cites his age and ability to function in society with these drugs so ignores the overwhelming number of lives these drugs destroy...even if its not via an overdose.
The focus should be on prevention, education and clean meds to help taper off, he wants to go the other way.
So much flawed logic in his arguments while simply stating the stats don't back the negative effects (without backing up his own claims)
Lex didn't challenge anything, he gave a platform for attention and some will be led into a world of pain and regret.
To compare a medicinal, calibrated dose of adhd meds for certain brains to function properly (to maintain a life and career) and to compare that to a meth addict that live to find the next high (losing job, family and home in the process) is a joke.
Just saying meth is the same as adderall and ignoring the rest is a shocking level of nativity, perhaps he is just trying to sell his book.
If you regulated hard drugs and to low clean doses then it will only be the start of an addiction as they chase higher highs. Then you're in the same place.
Adha meds, prescription painkillers etc serve a purpose and can be abused. What purpose would a dose of regulated heroin serve?
@@nibblrrr7124 it would introduce a huge part of the population to hard drugs that would otherwise not have taken them. They would then become addicted both physically and mentally.
You would have a mass of the population that will want to do nothing but stay high all day.
And he wants to focus on the few that could be high functioning that would not have a cleaner reliable source.
I'm all for medical clean drugs that could taper an addict off, not offer it out like candy.
This Dr can't see past his own world, full of fallacies.
I'd like to add another Zappa quote .. “A mind is like a parachute. It doesn't work if it is not open.”
But if it's too open you don't get anywhere - Random stranger
Plus it actually works just fine open or not 😉
Zappa didn't do drugs interestingly enough...
@@dashcamcalifornia5003 Zappa did a lot of coffe and tobacco
Brilliant!
Once an addict always an addict. They told me that alot, I get the point - always be weary - but it sounds so damn hopeless and it's just not true
It's difficult to escape that mindset when we live in a society that appears to do everything imaginable to keep us all addicted to fear, stuff, and whatever else the powers that be offer up to us.
Yeah, thats just the AA nonsense. I mean theirs no reason to believe it honestly. Some random guy just came up with that idea just like anyone else,and it does give a negative feeling to the person if they believe that. AA and NA arent very successful as it is, and im not trying to take away from anyone who has gotten sober using it. Anything that has gotten people clean and improved lives im all for, but their are tons of different ways people get clean. Its a personal journey for that specific person.
Love Carl Hart’s research, thanks for having him on.
Did he find out they they don’t lace alcohol with fentanyl or this is still mystery for him 😅
He ain't fibbing. I was strung out on heroin for 7 years. I would go 2 - 3 weeks at a time without pooping. It was horrible. Miserable. At some point it has to come out, and it was very, VERY painful and bloody. I'd intentionally go into withdrawal just so it could come out. But it still hurt. Proud to say I am almost 5 years clean now.
Go you for staying clean! And thanks for sharing your, uh, gastrointestinal experiences. 😅
If I may ask: Did you still eat a normal amount during those 2-3 weeks?
In my head, the stereotypical drug abuser barely eats & you can count their ribs, but that might just be b/c I'm thinking of stimulants suppressing appetite, and I have neither experience nor hard data on that...
It depends on the user. I've seen many fat opiate addicts but generally you are right. I only ate less because of the constipation. The fear of it. You become too afraid to eat due too cramps. A few times I got cramps so bad I threw up and passed out in pain. It's like having rocks in your intestines.
respect from a lifelong opiate addict!
Same here, after getting clean for years I went to kratom which acts similarly but is legal affordable and manageable but cause withdraws and the constipation. Man, i remember on H going a month or more
@@DYLWhk careful with tramadol that thing is no joke
Edit for incorrect spelling
Lex... Your podcasts are downright amazing. And this guest in particular was a homerun! To get to listen to actual experts on all sorts of topics is nothing short of miraculous. Thank you thank you thank you!! Keep it going!!
Great job, Lex and Carl. Keep it going. Spread the news ✌️🙏🤙
This is a very important subject to have conversation about. I'm glad you did this interview with somebody who is experienced compassionate and has the knowledge to help this debated subject.
He gave a great lecture at the Psychedelic Science Summit in Austin back in 2019.. Definitely excited to hear this interview.
Love it couldn't have picked a better person to interview
I already commented on this but I'm so happy & appreciative that you had Dr. Hart on💓🙏 Thank you.
Thank you 🙏 @lexfridman for your show….you are a wonderful person and have again crossed a line and built a bridge between very deep separation amongst world’s so separated in every which way imaginable and wow….there you are bringing this world together like no one else has ever done before…..that’s something to be proud of.
Lex. Thank you for this. Bringing Dr Hart on means the world to me. Your interactions with him were fascinating.
Read Carl's book the week it came out. Eye opening.
THIS MATTERS
Thnx i didnt know he had a book!
I’m currently reading it now, it reads like a movie. Really recommend it 👌🏾
third eye opening
What's so eye-opening about it? The notion that you can consume drugs responsibly as an adult? Is that a somewhat revolutionary idea? 😄
Absolutely fantastic Lex. Your podcast has quickly become my favourite. Thank you for being brave enough to create content like this
All the love to these two. Wonderful podcast Lex. Carl you are an incredible human being.
Thanks Lex, another great episode!
Positive drug story:
“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the Weather.”
- Bill Hicks
reeeeeeeeeeaaaly fuckn high on drugs...
Perfect!
BRAVO!
Wow
Amazing conversation. Thank you!
Thanks Lex, & thanks to Dr. Carl Hart for doing his thing. Keep up the good work 👌
I wish it was longer, there's so much more to ask. Good one!
@Drown the Socialists honestly alcohols one of the most dangerous substances in the world if were being honest so if your charges come from being drunk hopefully itll make you second guess using alcohol in a wreckless manner which i know is hard to navigate because it essentially makes you not care.
@Drown the Socialists good for you fam
He was on Rogan a while back.
I like when lex isn't exactly the subject matter expert, he accepts criticism and learns so quickly
Excellent conversation. We appreciate you, gentlemen!
FANTASTIC conversation Lex and Carl!
Been waiting on this one lex!!! Thanks Dr. Hart
This is a very important discussion. Please have him on again for a longer conversation.
Thanks Lex, thanks Carl! I'll definitely download the book.
Happy early Birthday Dr. Hart! You the man glad we got this one!
Love Dr. Hart. I have been saying these things my whole life Albeit not nearly as eloquently. People have always treated me like I'm crazy. I know exactly how he feels and where he is coming from.
Yeah. Same here. The drug war is a shit show.
Are you a medical doctor as well?
“Fuck your feelings what does the data say!”
“I feel the data”
24:33
wanna feel my data?
great talk. we rarely talk about drugs like this. confusion and problems come from lack of information and perspective. highly valuable
I want yall to know we're with yall we will keep ppl calm as possible during this we all got this keep pushing love you all are heroes and were on the same source of understanding ❤
I quit opioids and ecstasy, currently on Suboxone bc I get cold sweats and withdrawals and it’s the only thing keeping me sane. But it has helped with getting a job, my personal relationships with family and overall just really helped me
You do know that if you want to you can not have cold sweats and withdrawals right? You just gotta stop using opiates all together and once you get through the withdrawals (2 weeks) you will be fine. It seems as though you are using the excuse of being scared of being "dope sick" as a reason to continue to use. So many opiate addicts use this excuse "I don't wanna get sick"....you won't die you will be fine just grow a pair and do it. And yes I have done it myself. Take an honest look in the mirror.
How did u find a clinic
I really think Lex should interview Mark Laita of Soft White Underbelly. With Lex’s desire to explore and understand the human condition and Mark’s interaction with that, I can’t imagine that interaction being anything less than impactful and intense.
Omg that would be brilliant
Yeah I would love to see that, Mark has a real understanding of the problem of drugs and homelessness that is rooted in his experience with hundreds of people and their real life environmental stressors. Even if he seems out of place, he's really out there in the street. To me it's a much more real world practical view of the problem instead of essentially saying "it's OK if you legalize and snort it, based on my single personal experience and my book I'm selling"
I havent checked recently but Mark's interwieving techniques put me in pain in the past. However, the pictures, and the fact that he is putting himself out there, and actually does the videos with these people is extremely valuable. Lex and him would be interesting
Powerful and I'll definitely need to get around to reading his first book. Society and humans have committed many atrocities and it's all kicked under the rug as a horrific accident. The truth is scary and many of us don't want to hear or acknowledge it. Thank you Lex and Dr Carl Hart for advocating for those voices with less merit in society.
Alot of wisdom there. Hope many people can see and share it. Thank you lex.
Amazing and brave! I never understood the scientists who call themselves experts on addiction, yet have no experience with these substances or addiction. It is through scientists like this that progress in the realm of addiction is possible.
What kind of take is that? You don't have to have used to be a credible expert on addiction. That's like saying an oncologist can't be a real expert on cancer if they haven't been diagnosed with cancer themselves.
@@Artemis.94 it is when unlike an oncologist most addiction pains,withdrawals,etc...are unable to be measured by any means. You're gonna take the word of a crackhead looking for his next fix on how he feels seriously? Horrible analogy
@@Artemis.94 My guess is you have no experience with addiction and as the other person said, your analogy is poor. In addition, I would add a cancer doctor would most likely be more effective if they had cancer themselves. They would know what the experience is like. You cannot choose to get cancer, not would you want to, but no reason you cannot try the drugs you are claiming to be an expert on.
@@Artemis.94 it seems to be fairly true for drugs, though. doctors often don't know jack shit about drugs, legal or illegal. it's pathetic.
@@lisao6928 as someone who's used a lot of substances, you are 100% correct. I basically always know more than the doctor I'm dealing with. ALWAYS.
"If you want a problem not to be solved, just give it to the military or the cops" is very relevant right now.
give it to politicians is more accurate. military and police are just pawns to the political elite.
*Let's go, Brandon!*
Essentially give it to government.
@@renaissancestatesman
NASA is a gov agency. They've solved so much shit.
Same applies to lots of shit like electricity generation & distribution, water treatment & sanitation, mega infrastructure programs like the highways, children health & education, funding in science & tech, mega natural disaster management etc.
The gov really works well for lots of shit.
@@samsam18200
The military & policy are also frat orders with intreanched interests.
They are not a force for good by definition.
They also attract some of the worst among us to their ranks.
After listening to this video , you have restored my perception of the "types" of guests you have had on your show ! Thank you for sharing with us all , with all sorts of information , so much knowledge to take home at the end of the day !
May God Bless You With Good Health & Abundance!!
The opening monologue by lex made the hairs on the back of back of my neck stand up. Outstanding , thought provoking and hit a personal nerve with me in a positive way.
I knew this conversation would be interesting just because I've known these people for a while and I know the preconceptions they would have going into the conversation. Loved the way you guys came together with things, Carl is a trip, thanks for legitimizing drug conversation Lex!
Drugs are not addicting by nature. Relief from pain is what's addictive
Such a fascinating conversation. Great work Lex!
Amazing conversation. Thank you for sharing.
I watched this whole vid without feeling like I need to get high.
Me too!
Have you ever been a regular user of hard drugs though?
If he had it his way, you could buy heroin with your coffee, perhaps one day you would after many days of not.
Then what?
I watched the whole video absolutely stoked on the idea that I might be able to buy some cocaine from a store. Or heroin.
@@Jay-xr3sb Then my friend wouldn’t have died from getting drugs that were tainted with Fentanyl. Almost all ODs are accidental, not intentional suicide attempts. The accidents occur when you have unregulated supplies with adulterated substances and varying potencies.
@@GriffinBrynjo I don't question that. So addicts that what to taper should be allowed access to clean meds to start the process.
The guy is advocating that everyone joins in the addiction, which will destroy more lives even if it reduces the rate of OD due to impure hard drugs.
He is full of flawed logic
End the war on drugs!
It's always a pleasure to listen to the Dr. Of Drugs! Para Adelante Lex!!!!
Really good point of view and experience on the talk, keep it up
Relevant everyday and everywhere
From Chocolate to Morphine by Andrew Well Md is a really good book for everything you need to know about drugs. This was a good interview though!
Another amazing interviex, Lex. Thank you
Great video lex, Thanks for coming on Mr.Carl
I believe everything this man is saying, from experience.
my experiences so far have taught me to always stay calm no matter how crazy the situation gets and always choose Love over Evil. One Mind, One Body, One Spirit, One Heart, One Love.
Same here. Problem is it is very difficult for responsible experienced users to speak outloud about it and very easy for the minority of irresponsible ones to tell their story and get sympathy.
It truly is a horrible feeling when you try to talk to someone and no one is there to listen or even try to understand what it is that your going thru
Me listening to Carl Hart speak is like a choir boy listening to the Preacher. I couldn't agree more, on all points. Well done Carl
Ok, now go do heroin
Great interview
He's making a lot of great points
I think everyone sees the headline and starts to turn their head
When they should listen and hear more
he's making complete sense
A very illuminating episode. Thanks Carl and Lex.
"What evidence do you have on that bullshit, yeah , because it's none" Loved it at 24:01
This podcast literally REDUCED some intimidating cravings for alcohol I've been having.
It made me understand the power relationship, and how much I am just letting the societal definitions of these substances dictate my experience.
So much bullshit cleared up/clearing up.
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That's great, thanks for sharing.
Love this, thank you so much Carl Hart. Count me in!
All jokes aside great interview so far. Doing good work thank you for all you do Lex
carl's body language seemed to express discomfort to me, and at times he seemed to me oddly pained speaking. i don't seem to have grasped the situation of the conversation fully, but i appreciate it having taken place. it's obvious carl is speaking with his whole and open heart.
i have been listening to these podcasts for weeks now, absorbing loads of inspiration along the way, and also being reminded of my own character in observing my attraction to certain topics and individuals and lack of interest in others.
i am deeply grateful for all this nutritious mental food. thank you lex, keep on keepin on my brat.
He's probably suffering withdrawal
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@@WestCoastCultured Lighten up bro! I'm just being a silly goose! :)
I cannot express how grateful I am for this podcast Lex ✊💖🤘
Lex hitting it out of the park this week with guests, love it
Learned a lot. Very instructive. Going to buy the book. Thank you For the podcast Lex.
Don’t use heroine
Totally agree with this guy, I’ve been doing cocaine daily for over 15 years and never gotten addicted.
@@jakeem07 You mean you'll realize how much you liked doing something you like. Addiction requires you to consider the thing you're doing 'detrimental to your life, mood and happiness' it sounds like if you are doing something daily for 15 years you don't think you are addicted by the medical diagnosis for this stuff. You must have distress about your substance use and it causes you to be poor socially and other things to be classed as addicted
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Thanks for another amazing episode as always!
Great interview. Thanks Lex.
Lex is among the top 5 interviewers in the world and his podcasts have a completely unique feel to them. It's so good.
As a long time imbiber of various substances I have a ton of experience with the negative side of societal prejudices that are so indoctrinated that its almost impossible to move past for many even well educated people. I was kicked out of my rehab program at Kaiser for using marijuana without the possibility of readmission and repetitively told that I was just an addict in denial when I refused to buy into their once an addict always an addict narrative. I was ridiculed and dismissed and my medication for opioid abstinence was taken away despite me voluntarily entering the program and paying more than $700. a month for my medical insurance. Unfortunately I chose to leave my AA support group for many of the same reasons like anything less that 100% abstinence from all substances except caffeine and nicotine is considered abuse and you are clearly in denial for thinking anything else. Not the support I'm looking for and I feel we have a long way to go before society becomes willing to consider that maybe legalizing these drugs would be a better approach than the way we deal with them currently.
At least we have the internet bro.
Been 10 years sober off of alcohol, and having dealt with all of the "organizations" you've named above including NA, I've made my 10 years from day one as MY DECISION and being more successful in keeping from drinking than any group had to offer, kaiser's heavy handed approach to both treatment and taking their tools to build a better life, is not only a recipe for failure, but I believe opens the door for more pain to occupy your time than being a functional substance user, everyone, inpatient treatment is not the move, AA/NA is so outdated in what it offers a generation that has so many people afflicted with social anxiety, that today you more often than not have to shoulder this recovery on your own time and dime. Good luck to all of you.
Being hated and demonized doesn't seem to be helpful when someone is trying to deal with a problem.
I had the same experience with Solano County, CA Kaisers... same stupid closed-system non-thinking attitude in the face of empirical evidence to the contrary.
@@freebased1780 I did it on my own. Kaiser hurt me worse than the booze.
My Doctor used to have me on therapeutic doses of either Morphine, or Duragesic Fentanyl for pain ( doctor died), I was high functioning during this period.Since doctors death I now lye in bed, suffering,im no longer a part of society,i suffer, i panic, my life has been reduced to absolute NOTHING! This Doctor is so POINT ON!!
Seems like you’re addicted to opioids
Amazing information being passed here. This is freakin great. Loving this podcast.
This guy is as genuine as it gets 👏 🙌
On Sopranos and tv shows: there is a scene in Breaking Bad when Jessie and his girlfriend doing heroin (I think) and Walter comes in, sees gf choking and doesn't help. It was amazing to me how many people I know who have seen this show haven't noticed that Walter played key role in her death. That it wasn't just that he didn't save her, but she told Jessie that you can't be on your back because of choking risk and they were sleeping in spooning fashion. Then Walter started shaking Jessie to wake him up and that's when girlfriend detached from Jessie and unfurled on her back. To most people this was just the scene of "overdose". To me also - I have noticed this detail only on second watch.
That episode started with Walt putting his newborn to bed, on her side with a rolled up blanket behind her back and saying it’s so she won’t roll on her back and choke on her vomit. Good foreshadowing.
Going to sleep and having a chance to not wake up because of drugs is noones fault but your own
This conversation directly effects me and I find it interesting. I am an addict and I know my experiences involving drugs and alcohol were heavily influenced by my environment and my past traumas. I wonder what my experience would be like using without my past. I think if someone has past trauma they should avoid mind altering substances. But I am no so addicted where even though the negative consequences out way the benefit I still use.
Depends on the substance. Lots of good data on the benefits of MDMA and talk therapy for PTSD. Similar with psilocybin.
Get it girl
@@renaissancestatesman the best drug for people with physical pain limiting them is opiates. My wife for example is prescribed them and they help her immensely.
I enjoyed Dr. Hart's rebuttals to Lex's everymang arguments. Woo!
Lex thanks for having Dr. Carl Hart - great interview
He nailed it right on the head when he said “You got many people who are in positions of power faking the funk who are not truly masters of their craft therefore they are truly a disservice to our society which ultimately causes it to crumble” Also the drug thing just like so many other things is just simply business as usual at the expense of someone’s freedom and rights for the purpose of another’s personal gain in power and wealth. Business as usual it’s about power that’s the human game
Fund a small war ? War on drugs !
Every hard question asked by Lex was unanswered by this man. Lex, I've never heard you cave to someone before like you did here. :(
Worst interview yet. Lex even covered for him, like when he asked about heroin. Lex said: “Well I guess you could say the same thing about alcohol.” Whole thing was absurd
@@es4628 hey man. Dude had alot say not everything had to be taken to heart . No need to be offended by others opinions. It's just two people talking . Showing your dissatisfaction for lex or distaste for the guest isn't productive its just unpleasant communication.
@@ThePiedcool Cool story. The guy is promoting drugs. Very dumb to promote him, and suppress others. You are a fool Henson. A fool.
The reality of addiction doesnt seem to be part of this convo.
Thanks! Great talk (short, but OK w/Dr. Hart's time). And extra thanks for the closing Zappa Quote - choice words to end on