In the 70s while working on my degree in physics at The U of Minnesota, a group of students from Cal Tech came over to work with some students at The U of M on theoretical concepts of elementary particles. Murray Gell-Mann led the group. He was just brilliant, amazingly so! I learned so much from him. I'd never seen such a quick mind. He was also the biggest self-righteous, egotistical and judgmental prick I'd ever met before or since.
@@mixerD1- You know, I thought about this possibility many times. It's a fair call, but to be honest now after all these years, I can say no. I was never jealous of him or his achievements. Speaking strictly of his achievements and what I was able to learn and do with him on that project, I was overjoyed. To put it another way, he thought he had the answer for everything, from physics to movie stars. He would not take criticism or the least bit of censure on any topic. That made it hard even to have a beer with him in a local pub. So I restricted my relationship with him to physics alone as a student. In that context it was fine.
This is a bit hilarious for me... in a bittersweet way. I am too young, at 75, to have encountered Einstein at some institute, but I did meet Gell-Mann! He came to our department to give a talk in about 1970--- Geoffrey West, the interviewer here, a splendid fellow, was then a member--- and the chairman arranged an impromptu "coffee" with Gell-Mann for theory students such as me. But the notice was late and so only I and a few others got to attend. So did I try to engage him on some profoundly important topic? Noooo. We exchanged some kind of polite chitchat that I don't recall. I knew damned well that I didn't know much, and was very appreciative of his eminence. And like Einstein, I didn't care much about elementary particles (I went on to study general relativity).
Murray really has a way of humanizing (for a better way to put it) the great physicists of his day. We've heard about Feynman in the other clip. Now this final (obituorial) picture of Einstein. A good laugh.
Memo to self. Remember to do the fly up. This reminds me of an experience I had in the 70s when I was working as a defence scientist. I went into the men's toilets and there was a pool of blood and one of my colleagues lying on the tiles. He had been deep in thought on a knotty problem and zipped up an caught his member. Second memo to self - remember to relocate member when zipping up.
This is not meant as a slam, but as a relevant statement. Gell-Mann was very very much intensely proper with all of his pronunciations and linguistics in all conversations. So much so that it often was an annoyance to those who had conversations with him because he would often correct them when they mispronounced things. Gell-Mann had a low tolerance for people mispronouncing words, names, or anything and would immediately correct them when they did so. He was very knowledgable about linguistics
The more you learn about the history of QM the more you realise that Einstein was totally in thrall to how he thought nature / physics should be. And after his all great successes he spent his later years on something of a fool's errand.
Absolutely true. It's sort of depressing. The irony is that his view of the world was more deterministic than nondeterministic. Which is more of a classical mechanics way of looking at nature. Whereas relativity is sort of looked upon as an advancement from classical mechanics.
@@CO8848_2 yes, he understood it extremely well but he still didn't believe it. Or he didn't believe it was the whole story. I often wonder in the Everettian interpretation would have satisfied Einstein's need for locality.
@chrisofnottingham it wasn't the whole story. He understood tbe implication of non local reality, why should he believe it? The others blithely signed up on something they to this day still don't understand. It's just clear afyer these years no other is near the caliber of physicist that he was. Bell's theorem is along Einstein's line of thinking and he among the many actually.understood what Einstein was talking about.
Its funny. he has struggles of a smart man that we will never understand. usually people do linger around famous people and later in life regret that "wasted time". but hes too smart for that and does the opposite. doesnt fallow leaders and than regrets that he didnt get to know them :D
He's not speaking negatively about GR, he's speaking negatively about einstein's idea that GR alone can explain subatomic effects without any need for quantum mechanics.
Not at all, he said he didn’t because Einstein didn’t believe in anything involving Gell Mann’s line of work so it would seem pretentious to talk to & be associated with Einstein because it would’ve been obvious it would’ve been for bragging rights.
Murray Gell-Mann was very far from being Narcissistic. I think you completely misunderstand what he was saying, and maybe you should delete your comment.
No, he wasn't. He was looking for a theory that reconciled quantum mechanics and GR. That is precisely what people are still doing. Why would that be mad?
In the 70s while working on my degree in physics at The U of Minnesota, a group of students from Cal Tech came over to work with some students at The U of M on theoretical concepts of elementary particles. Murray Gell-Mann led the group. He was just brilliant, amazingly so! I learned so much from him. I'd never seen such a quick mind. He was also the biggest self-righteous, egotistical and judgmental prick I'd ever met before or since.
Yep, he comes across like that in this short film and Ive never seen him before.
The faintest tinge of jealousy there...
@@mixerD1- You know, I thought about this possibility many times. It's a fair call, but to be honest now after all these years, I can say no. I was never jealous of him or his achievements. Speaking strictly of his achievements and what I was able to learn and do with him on that project, I was overjoyed. To put it another way, he thought he had the answer for everything, from physics to movie stars. He would not take criticism or the least bit of censure on any topic. That made it hard even to have a beer with him in a local pub. So I restricted my relationship with him to physics alone as a student. In that context it was fine.
I believe it. Can't count how many genius assholes I've met.
@@Bootmahoy88 I think the fact he thought a bolo tie was an acceptable accessory proves your thesis
This is a bit hilarious for me... in a bittersweet way. I am too young, at 75, to have encountered Einstein at some institute, but I did meet Gell-Mann! He came to our department to give a talk in about 1970--- Geoffrey West, the interviewer here, a splendid fellow, was then a member--- and the chairman arranged an impromptu "coffee" with Gell-Mann for theory students such as me. But the notice was late and so only I and a few others got to attend. So did I try to engage him on some profoundly important topic? Noooo. We exchanged some kind of polite chitchat that I don't recall. I knew damned well that I didn't know much, and was very appreciative of his eminence. And like Einstein, I didn't care much about elementary particles (I went on to study general relativity).
Thanks, god knows how many different keywords I have used to find something like this.
Me too
I typed "Murray Gell Mann" and it appeared as if by magic.
Murray really has a way of humanizing (for a better way to put it) the great physicists of his day. We've heard about Feynman in the other clip. Now this final (obituorial) picture of Einstein. A good laugh.
Andrew Robinson He's Dr. Gell-Mann for you.
@@DrPG199 Fuck you!
Mur-Ray
I love this guy and it is not just his neck tie!!!
he picked that up at the Santa Fe Institute. New Mexico is the Land of Enchantment for physics, too.
They were all in awe of Einstein.
"Hermitian", not "remission", in the transcript.
kirdref « Hermitian omission replaced by remission, someone’s Brain was out of commission! » :-)
Very interesting and worthwhile video.
Memo to self. Remember to do the fly up. This reminds me of an experience I had in the 70s when I was working as a defence scientist. I went into the men's toilets and there was a pool of blood and one of my colleagues lying on the tiles. He had been deep in thought on a knotty problem and zipped up an caught his member. Second memo to self - remember to relocate member when zipping up.
Oh I love this old man!
Gulf Wars wow you're hilarious.
Nice that he spell Einstein like we do it in Germany
what do you mean? everyone spells it as Einstein
you mean pronounce
Ironically you would have pronounced his name correctly in some death camp.
@@johnsmith1474 Asshole!
This is not meant as a slam, but as a relevant statement. Gell-Mann was very very much intensely proper with all of his pronunciations and linguistics in all conversations. So much so that it often was an annoyance to those who had conversations with him because he would often correct them when they mispronounced things. Gell-Mann had a low tolerance for people mispronouncing words, names, or anything and would immediately correct them when they did so. He was very knowledgable about linguistics
I chuckled at the protruding sweatshirt.
Satanic Warmaster ****SPOILER ALERT*****
@MichaelKingsfordGray I think the only infant here is you.
I think Einstein was just trolling by that point😅😅
The more you learn about the history of QM the more you realise that Einstein was totally in thrall to how he thought nature / physics should be. And after his all great successes he spent his later years on something of a fool's errand.
Absolutely true. It's sort of depressing. The irony is that his view of the world was more deterministic than nondeterministic. Which is more of a classical mechanics way of looking at nature. Whereas relativity is sort of looked upon as an advancement from classical mechanics.
Quite wrong, Einstein understood it better than the people involved in it.
@@CO8848_2 yes, he understood it extremely well but he still didn't believe it. Or he didn't believe it was the whole story. I often wonder in the Everettian interpretation would have satisfied Einstein's need for locality.
@chrisofnottingham it wasn't the whole story. He understood tbe implication of non local reality, why should he believe it? The others blithely signed up on something they to this day still don't understand. It's just clear afyer these years no other is near the caliber of physicist that he was. Bell's theorem is along Einstein's line of thinking and he among the many actually.understood what Einstein was talking about.
@@CO8848_2 well, the measured results of Bell's theorem support non locality
Its funny. he has struggles of a smart man that we will never understand. usually people do linger around famous people and later in life regret that "wasted time". but hes too smart for that and does the opposite. doesnt fallow leaders and than regrets that he didnt get to know them :D
3:04 Biggest GR Diss in History
Not at all
He's not speaking negatively about GR, he's speaking negatively about einstein's idea that GR alone can explain subatomic effects without any need for quantum mechanics.
Very funny!! « Professor Einstein, you’re distracting the audience!! »
RIP Great Man tc
Gellmann is fantastic. What a guy.
Didn't want to talk to Einstein for fear of being made to look the underdog. God what a narcissist.
Not at all, he said he didn’t because Einstein didn’t believe in anything involving Gell Mann’s line of work so it would seem pretentious to talk to & be associated with Einstein because it would’ve been obvious it would’ve been for bragging rights.
Murray Gell-Mann was very far from being Narcissistic. I think you completely misunderstand what he was saying, and maybe you should delete your comment.
It's almost heretical of him to have avoided meeting one if not the greatest physicists
And he said it was a mistake.
But his reason for not doing so with sound. What was he going to do, make chitchat? Einstein didn't need that.
Nahhh he just called Goddel a Manlet
I like Gellm-Ann better than Feynma-Nn. Much Bett-Er!
Pomposity. Hard to listen
Stupidity- painful to read.
Yes, somewhat.
Poor old Einstein had no one to look after him as he was busy insanely in his work
Many aged of all disciplines with huge early bonafides end up standing in the way of progress.
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Einstein wasted half of life by trying to disprove Quantum Mechanics. He was a mad scientist in the end.......
But his attempt to disprove quantum mechanics led to fundamental new understanding of it.
He didn't waste his time, dude. Have some respect. Typical ignorant pleb.
No, he wasn't. He was looking for a theory that reconciled quantum mechanics and GR. That is precisely what people are still doing. Why would that be mad?
He ended up like the old guy in Back to the Future
He knew it could prove the theory of relativity false