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Most Common 10R80 Transmission Issue
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This clip saved me from going crazy. The Ford dealer my 2018 F150 3.5 Eco (10R80) for couple weeks w/no idea what was causing the shifting problems. I sent the service manager this short and within a week I had a new CDF drum. Thanks a million! Great channel.
I understand you had to go there prob for warranty issues but if I had you Ford truck roll in my bay with this goin on I woulda had your truck done same day with either new or rebuilt trans. On the road again. Not sure what was perplexing the dealership you were at?? Clearly something wrong take trans out give customer new one under warranty if all maintenance paperwork is legit. Tear apart trans later to find problem. They should not make they're problems your problems. I think that is such bullshit.!
@@keithhawk7743 💯💯✅
@@keithhawk7743
You have a number
To contact you , i have the transmission issues
NICE presentation Mayson!👍🏻😉
Great to see a top notch Ford Technician, from your generation , that will step up when I and my generation retire.
Been doing this since 1987....about another 10 years and I am DONE! 😎
Hope it's an easy 10 years for you!
Our 2021 expedition when downshifting under heavy acceleration or normal hill grading will seem it goes into neutral but making a grinding noise. It will eventually times finally "grab a gear" and go. But for 5 to 15 seconds it wont do nothing. Not even rev up. Kind of scary. It will throw a yellow/ orange wrench up but the dealership says it's not showing a code.
This is shift shock in second gear ???
@@armaliteAR10A4 aftermarket programming is available to completely correct all shift problems with these Ford transmissions. The system used to correct the shifting is HP tuners
@@100pyatt bull shit... They tried that... it don't fix anything if it's already caused damage. We had to trade ours off because Ford would not replace the transmission and torque converter. Who ever was making the decisions from ford directed the mechanics to keep swapping part by part. They would replace one part and it would still do it. Replace another and still do it again. The expedition got to where going down the interstate the check engine light would come on and the vehicle would not accelerate, making the same noise as mentioned in previous comment. Almost as though it was in neutral. Scary for sure. The mechanics told us ford is going to keep swapping parts like this because they dont want to fix what's wrong. The mechanics said it needs a new TC and trans because of all the codes it was showing. After 6 months of the back and forth, We had to trade it off as I have 4 kids and my wife needs a safe vehicle. Now someone else is stuck with the thing. I felt bad for selling it knowing that someone would get stuck with it but, I couldn't eat that much money. The dealership took it to far away auction because they didnt want to sell it to anyone local. Ford may make good vehicles at times but they definitely didnt help us out or even care. O' they make bullshit phone calls and ask how it's going, what do ya need, and always reply we are engaging additional resources to help. It's all fluff. We will never own another Ford if I can help it.
RECALL!!
Class action lawsuit for this faulty dangerous design
Needs to be a recall ASAP
It’s a joke that it’s not mine just failed
Ford won't recall it. Neither would Ram, GM, Toyota, etc. They'll issue a TSB and a revised part... eventually.
Great to see a young man take great care in learning! Keep up the good job bud!
I got a 22 GT with the 10R80 and it is hands down the worst transmission I’ve ever experienced. Don’t get me wrong, when you want it to go it does it’s thing and that’s why everyone hypes them up but for literally EVERYTHING other than being flat out, it’s a hot pile of trash. Whines loud asf, jerky shifting, gear hunting, you name it. I would like to get it in to a shop and get it beefed up/checked out but I’m waay too afraid of the shops around here pulling/cracking the trans and leaving me worse off than I was 😢
I’m 😂😂😂. The whine part bro.
Still complaining or have you got it checked yet?
Whether you have a Ford or GM 10-speed, if it's making a whine, get it to the dealer or a transmission shop right away.
Nice video ,, but it's not a bushing, it's actually a steel sleeve for the Teflon seals , the "bushing " can be seen above it ..
Ford engineers : will say GM designed that part of the transmission .
Gm and Ford actually collaborated this transmission.
Because they probably did…. Gm having lifter failure left and right.
Hey, don’t spill all of our priceless secrets over here! If we collaborate with GM and something fails it was definitely GM and not us…….meanwhile at GM, It was all Ford! Gotta love the automotive industry!
@@freedomisntfree_44 because there hasn't been any fords with issues? I mean now they are all shit and I wouldn't touch most American cars with a 10ft pole
@@stevenjohnson1692 do a lil research, gm lifters been failing since 07 and they’ve had multiple shit transmissions. They all have their problems by gm is by far the worst and someone has to die before a recall is issued from them. Toyota and ford own up and fix the shit.
WHERE CAN I BUY THE REVISE CDF DRUM OF 10R80 TRANSMISSION CAN YOU GIVE ME THE LINK?
Your local Ford dealer can get them. Right now there is a national back order of over 4000 units but the good news is when they become available the wholesale cost is $208
Yyyyyyup. This is about to cost me nearly $8k on my 2018 f150 with only 58k miles. Thanks, Ford
I thought they were extending the warranty out on these.
What about your replacement transmission is it holding up? Or did you get rid of the truck
@@Kylewraps got it replaced the third week of July, and so far, so good. I paid a little extra for the dealership to do it just to have the 3 year warranty. Was either that or offload the truck, and either way I take a beating.
Have to say though, that it feels like the programming for the replacement is like how my previous one felt when in Eco mode. Wants to be in an overdrive way before it’s ready
@@MotoNoir86 oof that sucks $8,000+ with that kind of mileage is pathetic
My 2014 Silverado had its first real repair yesterday PCV Valve went out I also got spark plug / wires changed, cleaned throttle body and injectors while it was in the shop it’s got 186k miles only other thing that’s broke on it is the common A/C condenser issue which broke at 35k miles and was under warranty until 36k miles (phew)
Same here 2019 ford ranger saying I need new transmission not good don't know if I should replace it or get a new truck
Yup.
That lead in radius is visually diffrent a mile away. Either worn out tool or chip build up with poor coolant concentation during production.
Concise and to the point. Bad news to the internet. Not all of the parts in a transmission have standardized naming. One brands forward clutch is another's main clutch. If your complaining that this guy doesn't know his stuff over naming, you don't know much. I'm sure an "engineer" and a "mechanic" will be along shortly to explain to all of us ...
Can you shed any light on the 10R80 shifting issues? How does one handle this issue when taking the vehicle to service? I love my 2021 expedition max but the shifting issues are pushing me to get rid of the vehicle and I really don’t want to do that.
Most of the shifting issues are because of this slipped bushing. The CDF drum has been updated May of 2023. If you want to further enhance the shifting, Suncoast has a modified valve body and an improved pump that holds more line pressure
Also be careful the “clutch relief valve” you know not a check ball but a check ball with a spring will have the same symptoms as a failed cdf bushing. You pull it apart and bushing hasn’t dropped, planet 1 and 2 have destroyed each other. Whoever built that trans didn’t measure T3 and all that metal destroyed valve body. Not to mention always pull outshaft metal gets stuck in E clutch apply passage. Ask me how i Know 😂 if your 10r80, defaults to 4th after an overhaul. Will pass an air check all day but when hot will loose 123
I see you rebuilding a lot of transmissions. Is that pretty standard at your dealer? I woukd imagine the cost is a lot lower to rebuild that than to replace. I work for Honda and the opposite is true. Do you make flat rate? Also, how many other guys are doing rebuilds like that on a regular basis? Hope youre making good bread. I dont k ow many techs outside of specialty shops that know how to reman a trans.
I don't think he work at ford
dealer don't rebuilt thing anymore all of them it must be a independent transmission shop
A ford mech is busy (warranty) especially a good one like him. Keep your tools clean and eyes and ears open. OH And taste a drip on the floor once and a while 😝
They are all different nowadays. Some dealers sublet tranny work. Some have builders that just build, some have techs that do r&r/heavy line and build the tranny's. And of those guys, some are paid hourly/salary some are on flat rate. I've literally seen all kinds of combinations. And this is both at indys and dealers.
thanks for the info.
how do you prevent from happening again?
Good man, love tips like this
So loss of pressure? Would explain the hard shifts and slipping out of gear on my wife's 2019 Ford ranger.
What are the symptoms of this problem?
Green loctite it in?
As a former mechanic this is a good short.
ZF 8 speed is still the best out there.
Agree!!
The Ram version still has its own issues.
I love manuals.
Save the manual 👍
Same here. I love actually controlling my motor.
Manual boosted s550 here
@@dikdawg3438 I'm at the other end. My Outback has so little power it takes alot of finesse . Not a good car to learn in.
89 toyota pickup with 5 speed and built motor. wouldn't trade it for anything
Does this make the transmission clunk or grind when you go to 1st to Reverse ? I’ve had ppl say it sounds like my car is about to fall apart.
What symptoms does the car experience when this issue arises?
I am seeking for an answer from an expert. I have a problem with 3-4-5 gear slipping sometimes, not all the time , but 80% of the time at 50-70% acceleration. Is this the problem that causes my 10r80 slip or is a software issue ? I have replaced the valve body but the problem persisted. Thanks
Did you ever fix it?
Disable the adaptive learning and it’ll fix it
10R80 can still handle +1k horsepower in the mustang.
Good vid short and to the point
I have a 2018 f150 3.5 ecoboost with the 10r80 and ever since I've had it, its always had a weird shift from 3->4 especially on cold days. It's like the transmission is slipping when it does that shift. I believe i have had it on the 7->8 shift a few times now too. Rpms will go up a few hundred for about a second, and then it will drop back down fast and cause the truck to jerk
I feel this sometimes. Any word?
@michaeljacques4059 still haven't brought it to a dealer. Bought it with 19k miles and it's done it since the day i bought it. It's way more noticeable in cold weather, but overtime i would say generally it's more noticeable than when I first got it. Personally I think it's something that is coded wrong in the truck and the reason I say that is because my brother and I used forscan to reset the learning for the transmission shift curve. Basically it just re-maps how the truck is supposed to shift depending on rpms and speed and engine temp. When we reset the mapping, the transmission worked flawlessly. Give it a couple weeks to a month and its back to doing the same stuff again. That's why I think it could be more computer problems than actual mechanical issues, but I could be wrong.
My raptor trans sucks so bad. Can’t ever figure out where it wants to be. Literally horseshit
This is a common characteristic of a slipped bushing in the CDF drum. May of 2023 Ford updated the CDF drum adding a lip so the bushing can no longer slip. The new clutch drum dealer cost is $208
@@100pyattwhen it slips down does it typically take out other parts with it besides that o-ring/seal? Meaning does this require a full rebuild or should replacing the drum and seal alone fix the issue?
What about 6r80s. Seems I been having some kind of shift issue for over a year but no clutch packs burnt up. For a while I thought it was the IWE system. It mainly did it between 3 to 4 around 45 to 55 mph. Now it makes a noise and shifting issue whenever I floor it almost 70% of the time.
6r80 uses the same style drum which has been updated by Ford in 2023 to have a lip that stops the bushing from slipping causing all the shifting chaos
Could this lead to a drained torque converter? Mine rolls backward about 10s each morning until the pump fills it back up. Even if revving at 2500 rpm, it's like clutch is full in on a manual and rolls back like 2-3 car lengths.
Where is this shop at?
I don't know what the hell this is but I know this ain't right sound up and summed up on a beautiful bouquet of awesome
6,8 and 10 speed transmissions...get the same gas mileage as a truck from the 90s,at highway speed it should be idling
6,8 and 10 speed transmissions are able to efficiently tow 4x as much, and get better mileage using less fuel because overdrive can still be used.
Easy boomer.
lol in your dreams. the latest transmissions have made it possible to tow 13,000 lbs with a half ton, SAE verified, and still get 20+ mpg unloaded. The 300 was a good engine, but it ain't towing 13,000 lbs up Davis Dam and getting 20+ MPG unloaded.
Ya Buddy nice video. Will that cause shudder? I have been playing with forscan and the TCC_OSC and TCC_SLIPACT AND TCC_AMP. I am seeing the shudder on the occilsicope graph. 2019 navigator 30k miles
Yes
Question so how would I fix that or improve that I have a 2020 gt 10r80
Not much you can do. Service the trans often and hope for the best. They’re continuing to build the part this way, so even if you replace it…
Ford released an updated design in 2023 for the CDF drum that has an internal lip and it prevents this bushing from slipping, causing the problem ever again. It's a permanent fix
@@TonyLasagnaNo sir they are not continuing to build this failed part. They updated the design in May of 2023
@@100pyattgotcha, my comment was from around then actually so had no idea lol
FORD don't care. I'll never buy another again.
Awesome info good to know incase I have to go to dealer for warranty if trans acts up, very cool you know so much about these trans I wouldn't know where to even start. Lol
will that cause the trans to overheat
My gf was driving my truck the other day going 80 on the interstate truck got stuck in 10th gear truck coolant started to overheat trans temp got to 226. Now the trans slams gears has shift rpm flair and will randomly go for 6th to 1st. Ford says shes toast. What would cause it to just randomly fail with no warning signs before
Bushing slipped. The good news is the updated design will completely fix this issue from ever happening again
So, how many miles were on that transmission?
11,450
@@mikestoms4015 damn it should have at least 160k before any problems
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I have a 2022 trail boss with the 10L80, brand new truck. Since day 1 it has shifted hard at times on the 3-4 shift. I don’t trust it at all. Crap GM product like usual. I had 2 8L90’s in my last 2 new Corvette’s. Same hard shifting and surging issues. Bottom line they make crap products. Next truck will be a Toyota. Never again with GM or Ford.
LMAO Toyota Tundras are eating crank bearings like a Ram EcoDiesel and they have had their own share of transmission complaints.
@@hochhaul the one? 😂 nothing like gm problems.
I have a 2018 f150, with a tune making 548hp to the wheels for the last 4 years. I have 128,000 on it. And knock on wood. My 10r80 is holding up good. Mind you, I changed the trans fluid twice, so for, only because I tow a heavy trailer for 400 miles 7 times a year.
Ford.....Shhh.....We have NO plans to change that
🤬🤬
Need more good parts or quality ones ....maybe those parts from the transmission come from China .....you know bad quality
Same issue in the 10r140
Yes
Literally just had this warranty by Ford in my Mustang
How many miles did you have before the seal went?
Lucky. I’m a month just after time on the warranty, but still at 58k miles and mine went out. Dealer already charged my $1400 trying to fix it with the valve body, just to turn around and say “nope, you need a new trans.”
Does replacing the drum fix the transmission? Or did it require a rebuild?
You have to remove the transmission and open it up to get to that drum so you're going to need to put new seals, gaskets, o-rings etc at a minimum so it makes sense just to put a whole banner kit (rebuild kit) that includes clutches while you're there. It's about 10-12 actual hours of work to do in total so it's stupid to cut corners and not put a whole kit in while there. But, MOST trans shops don't.
@@eagleadmin3042 actually went and had them do that at the dealership. I asked them to replace the drum and any other parts that even looked worn while they had it apart. So far so good but now the engine needs to be replaced. I don't think I'll ever buy another Ford.
What about nag 1 trans
What are the symptoms of these common issues?
Poor design from the engineer's IMO
Improper shifts/ hard slamming gear changes. It can also make the vehicle loose all power to the wheels.
You can check your cdf clutch by manually shifting from 1rst to 2nd , I its delayed into 2nd or slips, the seal is damages
@@keith5870 I have the slip shift in 1-3, 3-5. They just replaced the valve body after the rebuild didn’t work. After the temp is above 120F it typically doesn’t do it anymore. Sound like a clutch issue?
@@nolanchance1Same exact problem here. I’d like to see an answer to that question
Now how do we prevent it
Replace with the new design CDF drum that has an internal lip that prevents this from ever happening again
"Whatever you call this thing" - don't tempt me.
I hope you didn't claim mount on bench time, cause you didn't do it
Now you explain to me, if you can identify the problem, why does Ford build them with the problem, surely, they can be built correctly, how the hell can a brand-new gearbox be built with this fault, doesn't Ford pay enough to its engineers to get ones that can design a box without faults ??????
Ford redesigned part numbers HL3Z-7H351-A & JL3Z-7H351-A with a newly designed part number JL3Z-7H351-B. You can’t tell me it shouldn’t be a recall on the old design.
Same reason when your window trims fade within a year, they just replace it with one of the EXACT same design. So fixing the incident, not the problem.
Whatever you call this thing.. lmao!! But I can fix it! Lol! Carry on young man!
Oh yea.
Keep em coming in, make that cash, Don't forget to compensate for inflation.
Engineers need to evaluate material and dimensions...expansion and contraction is a thing....crazy shit results
Has nothing to do with the engineers themselves, and everything to do with corporate Ford pushing everything to be made as CHEAPLY as possible, even if it sacrifices reliability.
Seems like anything built after 2015 is junk but you pay a ton of money for it
I love how whatever guys are always knocking other makes for Transmission issues when all the transmissions are garbage.
That was probably the part GM designed.
🤣
Had a Gmc Denali with the 10 speed and it was flawless. My f150 10 speed is absolute garbage. 2 valve body replacements and lots of trouble shooting and still no fix to the slip shifting. 2018, 5.0, 67k miles. Thankfully I have the extended warranty!
The most common problem with 10R140/80 are the 10R140/80 😁 (6R140 FTW)
You even put on lipstick for the vidja
I think Toyota found the sweet spot 8 speeds. This GM/Ford abomination 10 speed is too many
He could be it
This thing... I don't know what it's called. 🤔 Would make me reconsider going there.
It's a damn o ring the man obviously knows what he's talking about
Tell us what it is genius.. I'd rather a youtube legend like you fix my 10r80
But what are the symptoms?
Well you impressed me..until I here what ever you call this thing. 🤣
😂😅😅😂
R810
Completely incorrect- the most common problem is it’s made by Ford/GM
😮
Engineers nowadays cant make nothing right. My 2008 transmission hasnt had the fuild changed once and shes still running good on 200,000 miles. You need to tell them to stop with this planned obsolescence bull. I know it puts more money in your pocket because you work at the dealership but really.
Has nothing to do with the engineers themselves, and everything to do with corporate Ford pushing everything to be made as CHEAPLY as possible, even if it sacrifices reliability.
Ford is 🗑
Hey dud like the vids can yah help me , have a 2019 f150 4x4 brand new I put 80k on it and I got a code for P0736
Gonna end up replacing your transmission. Mine had the same at 58k miles but I missed the “time” warranty by a month. Replaced the valve body on the bottom per the Ford service bulletin and didn’t help it a bit
That from hard launches?
“ Whatever you call this thing here “ definitely send my trans to this guy 🤡🤡
Found it. Found that guy
Why dont you fix it yourself smartass.
Oh, bullshit. Nobody's perfect.
Can you do a Most common 10L80 issues video on the camaro?
So basically dont drive like a maniac and maintain your machine so it lasts ???
Problem #1: GM helpd design it.
That is caused by improper installation and not pre-lubing the seals which causes that seal to fold backwards during installation
More over engineered garbage. Sad thing is with people financing for up to 96 months they have no warranty and are paying major repairs prior to even having their bailout brand junk paid off