Movie Talk - are 4K movies worth it?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this episode I review the new 4K format "Ultra HD Blu-ray", and compare it with regular Blu-ray.
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The Revenant is a true 4K disc. It would be better to compare older Blu-rays that were shot on film to new 4K transfers - those are the biggest upgrades in my opinion.
Exiting to see that you are almost at 100K subs
agreed!
You forgot about older movies that were shot on FILM. Huge improvement!
The problem is, how many of those older movies will make it to 4k? I'd wager not many; this will only be a format for films of the future and since the era of physical disk is coming to an end and a 4k stream is pretty impossible for now it's hard to see this becoming anything other than an ultra-niche idea
@@JohnnyFriendly Have you seen how many old films have come to 4K disc? Anything shot on 70mm film looks stunning and a lot of 35mm stuff does too. If the care has been put into it.
@@JohnnyFriendly A lot of old movies are in 4k on digital only. Trading Places, Ordinary People etc.
@@JohnnyFriendlyyour comment didn’t age well.
@@JohnnyFriendly most 4k films are older ones. look at new 4l releases. only few are fresh from cinema.
The only good thing about 4K?
Pushed Blu ray prices down significantly!
agree!!!
you are totally right. for me 4k movie are completely useless, most of the movie and TV program are still shot in 2k, they just upscaling it to 4k. I still use my full HD TV to watch Netflix, Blu Ray, play PS4 and Nintendo switch, and totally satisfied with it. i still can accept DVD.
@@Indiana-r9b
You obviously havent seen a 4k 65 inch oled
@@Matt-hb7tu I have seen it, but the price is not worth it.
Old movies is good with Ultra HD Blu-Ray
Something you didn't talked about is AUDIO, you will find DTS X and Dolby Atmos in more 4k blurays than regular blurays
He also made no mention of HDR or what older movies that were shot on film with optical effects look like.
Yes, I hope to install ATMOS soon. Are there regular Blu-Ray disc's with ATMOS? I assumed only the Ultra HD Blu-rays might have the ATMOS option. thanks
MrDae006 you can get Dolby Atmos sound from a Blu-ray as long as the movie is in that format. You can also get it from steaming some stuff on Netflix if you have the a 4K streaming source like an Apple TV.
yes very true but then you have to add speakers above, buy a 4k player, buy a new receiver, and a 4k tv... just to get the 4k experience? i'll stay with my 5.1 but i have 7.1
@@housbinpharteen7445 i been farting
I've bought a few movies in 4k and I'm very impressed with the quality.
Watch lord of the rings in 4k. It's stunning
Hdr doesn't interest you? To anyone that's curious, try and watch planet Earth 2 on a good 4k hdr setup and you will understand that it's a massive upgrade.
Yay. Spend countless thousands to watch nature shows.
Blackmarsh63 and your point is? Not all of us live in the wilderness, desert or the poles. I have this Blu-ray in 4K and it looks fantastic.
Planet Earth 2 is the best HDR what I saw
I agree with you about Planet Earth. However, the Planet Earth 4K disc is actually mastered in 4K, as opposed to most 4K discs, which are 2K upscaled to fake 4K.
Did you even watch the entire video?
Watch Blade Runner 2049- that will change your opinion on UHD.
Or better yet, watch Blade Runner from 1982 on UHD.
Or better yet watch Naughty Nurses 2049 on UHD
it wasn't released yet when he made this video
4K movies that look good are in single digits. Not consistent throughout the whole range of 4K movies. And TVs yes 4K oled still show artefacts on 4K Bly ray.
He should also see 2001 A Space Odyssey in 4K. I swear that movie in 4K looked like it was released yesterday!!!
Nah I’m staying with vhs none of this new fandangled “480p”
ROFLMAO
That's hilarious!
Ill stick with the CED format thank you very much, you have to back a winner!
LOL moron
The past few years I’ve built a significant Blu-Ray collection. I’m perfectly content sticking with that.
Do you upscale those Blu rays? How you finding it?
Me too... great picture, great sound... no reason to move up yet.
I think this video needs a follow up, 4K Blu Ray has come a long way since 2017. Keep up the great work!
Agree!!
Native 4K DI: Yes, definitely worth it.
2K DI upscaled: Stick to the bluray
This 2k DI upscaled sold as 4k should be criminal.
@@Deffine Nah. There's a reason upscaled 4K looks better (sharper)... it's because of the disc size. 4K UHD discs are 100GB in capacity as opposed to standard Blu-ray, which is 25GB. This means you have more space to display the film with less compression. It also means that you get the holy grail of 4K discs... High Dynamic Range.
Having each frames peak brightness increase or decrease on certain zones of the TV provides deeper blacks and greater color fidelity.
@@LaserLips2 Yeah, you get higher bitrate, but its still 2k resolution master upscaled to 4k resolution on the disc. ITS BLURRY AF. Try Gemini Man 4k blu-ray with 60fps, 85mbits bitrate and HDR, it looks FANTASTIC on my LG C9 OLED. If we could movies in full 4:4:4 chroma, it would look even more detailed. But most wouldnt be able to tell from a distance tbh.
The HDR is better though.
This video hasn’t aged well. There’s lots of 4K HDR content that looks jaw dropping.
4K bluray is good here in Australia because our crap internet struggles streaming 4k, especially if you have others in the house watching hi def content at the same time.
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The improvement in color and sound for the 4k is worth it to me. Not for every movie of course, just the ones that have good visuals and a lot of repeat viewing. Most of the 4k discs I bought were $20 and less. Bought T2 Ultra 4k for $7.50.
4K is worth it for the HDR alone.
no
For sure. This dude must be blind.
Watch star trek into darkness. The 4k only has IMAX
True. A good HDR TV was super expensive in 2016. Most people didn't have one.
How could you disregard HDR? HDR alone is enough to upgrade
No. not really.
Dolby Vision is the reason to upgrade. Anyone who says it isn't hasn't seen the more vivid colors and many more colors that come with HDR.
KillaSin515 you obviously don’t have an oled tv
KillaSin515 the U all day. But HDR is amazing.
Todd Jameson not true at all. U def haven’t seen the Sony x930e. HDR is amazing.
4K now days has completely changed & even then it was pretty impressive :) The Revenant can be debated but I noticed a major difference in the way it was shot & how 4K with HDR can pick up resolution, colour, light & sharpness like anything else.
Also for gaming references, The new Call Of Duty is amazing in 4K & it legit feels like they are real & right in front of you
Ps. Blade Runner 2049 is amazing in 4K & also a UA-cam Video on Costa Rica in 4K :) Both showcase 4K & the 4K Television at its best.
Without getting into the video, I vote a resounding YES. I just recently got my 4k TV and blu-ray player, and sampled a little bit of "The Martia"n in 4k. There's no going back to regular HD now. To me it's the same wow factor as upgrading from SD to HD for the first time.
JayTor2112 u mean a 4K Blu-ray player right?
@@dannyshandy6762 Yes
I buy 4k movies - but they are true 4k (I..e shot on 35mm film) or 4k digital cameras. You will see a big difference in these compared to the older Blu-ray HD and DVD versions. The image has no compression artifacts. Better clarity, better colour and alot sharper. I avoid upscaled 4k - unless it's a film that truly benefits from HDR treatment.
I think the main reason to bother with a 4K TV is for streaming content. HD streaming is often quite inferior to the quality of HD Blu-ray with the much greater amount of compression, while 4K streaming tends to get you a much nicer bitrate (thus, better video quality...) Most platforms simply won’t let you stream the same video quality at the lower resolution, so you’re often stuck using a 4K TV to get truly high quality HD+ video over the internet. And yeah, this is only due to these platforms choosing to lock the higher video quality into these higher resolutions, but that’s another topic...
According to IMDb, The Revenant is actually mastered in 4K DI.
I know this is old, but I really wonder how good the HDR capabilities of your TV were because the differences are huge in my opinion.
As soon as he discredited HDR I stopped watching the video. It's likely his TV wasn't even true HDR, probably only 400-500 nits. His opinion is worthless, anyone will tell you ultra HD movies are a huge upgrade nowadays, for both resolution but also bitrate.
4K never impressed me, so i didn't buy a 4K HDR TV until only 2 weeks ago, because of Xbox One X which supports 4K + HDR.
DVD to Blu-Ray/HD-DVD were a huge leap, but Blu-Ray to 4K. Not so much.
You must have a bad TV if you can't see that a lousy 1080 is a night and day difference to 2160 Dolby Vision with a wide color gamut. It's not even close
Mera who said he bought a Dolby Vision HDR tv? All I see is 4k HDR... he does not say which version of HDR he has... but I do see a bit of difference between a standard Blu Ray, and a 4k hdr Blu Ray even with HDR: 10.
totally agree
@@MeruOnYT I don't know.. 1080p looks pretty darn amazing on my 60 inch Kuro. I see 4K TVs in the stores and at normal viewing distances I don't see much of appreciable difference, but like I said, I do have a Kuro and a reference quality Oppo blu-ray player.
@Frank V. Doesnt the quality of the Kuro image degrade with age? Im thinking of buying one used, but considering thats plasmas colors degrade with time, i dunno.
I was gonna comment about how wrong you are, then I saw it was done in 2017.. 4k has come a long way since then
Yeah, the 4k discs as well as the 4k players are much better than before.
@@jamesorsby7553 you mean the 4K in 2017 isnt the 4K of 2021? A better 4K player makes a difference? Huh. That doesn’t seem to be the case with blu ray .
@@Earthtime3978 The processing is better now than what was available in the past...that goes without saying. Certain players have very good upscaling capabilities, while others can’t do it.
@@jamesorsby7553 I don't believe it. Is one blu ray player better than another at producing 1080p?
@@Earthtime3978 hdr, Dolby vision, streaming services,, OLED tv's etc.
Trust me. Get an OLED and load up something in 4k hdr or Dolby vision. Thank me later..
For projection, 4K is a huge advancement, absolutely crucial. When you watch a movie on a screen with a 3.35 meters base, you'll need all the resolution you can get.
I agree with this. If you're projecting the picture on a large screen then yes 4K is definitely good to have. 1080p would still look good but you'll get more detail and clarity from a 4K projector.
I understand what you’re saying, but part of the reason that Blu-Rays look so good on a 4K TV is that they’re upscaled. So you’re right, the difference is more noticeable in terms of HDR. But since the 4K version isn’t much more than the Blu-Ray on most new releases, I’m getting 4K and only replacing Blu-Rays I have if the 4K is a significant remaster.
Well done, thank you for the explanation! I only own 2 4k movies, glad I found your video before I purchased more!!!
Some look much better such as Blade Runner 2049 or 2001: A Space Odyssey.
4k + HDR is absolutely amazing. The two big issues right now is all 4k tv are not created equal. OLED is a big up from LED screens. Also for 4k to truly shine you need a large tv and a setup that allows for optimal viewing distance.
I went from a 4k 65inch Samsung to a 4k 85inch Sony. The difference was extrordinary. 4k while having a barely noticeable effect on my 65inch tv was nothing short of orgasm for the eyes on my 85inch tv.
There is literally no comparison watching a blue ray movie on a 47inch tv vs. watching UHD movie on a 4k HDR top of the line tv. Once you truly get to appreciate the latter you will never want to watch anything but 4k content.
While the difference isnt that big, it is noticeable. More importantly, 4k discs also include object-based surround sound (Dolby Atmos and DTS:X), in addition to HDR. All combined its worth it. Though I can understand someone sticking with blu-ray. What I CAN'T understand is the ppl who still watch DVDs. Thats nuts
I'm a film maker that works (films) with Sony's 4K Cinealta technology. First, for real 4K i.e. not upscaled from 1080p, you will need a very large screen to see the real & genuine benefits. A 50ft cinema screen would demonstrate clear differences. Larger screens for 6K & 8K.
I have a 70" 4K Tv. I can see the difference up real close, but from a normal viewing distance, HD from Blu-ray looks just as good.
If you had a 4K projector (not upscaled) with your own home cinema, you would benefit 😉
i have a 60 inch 4k tv, and sit around 9 feet away from it, and i could see the clear difference in the warcraft scenes, and even in the revanant.
I agree with you. People seem to be obsessed with pixel count now that the marketing trend is 4k. Pixel count has the least impact on image quality unless you are using a projector or you sit really close to your TV. Most improvements we are seeing with 4k TVs are due to HDR, better brightness, and better contrast ratios.
Increased computing power naturally brings increased pixel count and manufacturers will be soon pushing 8k and then 16k. But the only way to move the consumer towards further increases in pixel count is to make bigger screens or screens that are closer to your eyes. I think this is where the next generation of technology is going: folding TVs and then eventually full VR but with light portable glasses. Also with VR 3D becomes relevant again, so 3D will make a resurgence eventually. To conclude... it's a bit of a certainty that VR and AR are eventually where the industry is going...
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Games are not the same as film/video and you will see benefits in refresh & frame rates as well as resolution. Cinematic film has a frame rate of only 24fps not 60 plus frames of gaming graphics.
@chris bishop yes i know that. but 4k rv's have much more deep range in color. whites are whiter blacks are blacker. this directly effects the difference between 1080p, and 4k.
Isn't a lot of this 4k stuff shot with cameras that have that stupid bayer mask, and not really 4k per color? That would explain why the difference is negligible.
A lot of new 4K releases are getting brand new remasters that they don't include in the standard Blu-rays making the improvements that much more noticeable. Its kinda lame to have this paywall, but those 4K releases do look better usually with the few exceptions of botched remasters.
Add the 4k movies you are wanting to buy on your amazon wish list and wait for a sale. I've picked up Life of Pi, Dark Knight Rises, Predator, and Alien in 4k for under 14USD each.
I wonder if the comparison was done using the ultra 4K blu ray player and a standard blu ray player (non 4K)? If he played both movies using the same 4K player both movies will look fairly similar due to the 4K upscaling on the player.
Wow, smart thinking!
You can get 4K upscale as good or even better sometimes from a decent 4K TV as well though. I own a 2011 Sony BDV-EF200 3D 1080p bluray home theater system and I just upgraded my old 32" 1080p Sony BRAVIA to a new 2019 Sony XG8396 49" 4K HDR. It took me a while to figure out the best settings but after I did, the difference in sharpness and detail was amazing playing a regular 1080p bluray. In conclusion 1080p bluray upscaled to 4K by a decent TV it won't look the same as 4K but it will be closer than you would ever imagined. I also own a 4K Apple TV and I have watched 4K HDR content, while it is amazing it's not miles away from a regular 1080p bluray upscaled to 4K. I'm sure 4K Bluray is better than 4K streaming, but 1080p Bluray on a 4K TV isn't to be considered old news. It's up there believe me.
In conclusion I won't be rushing out to buy a new 4K UHD Bluray player to replace my old 1080p Bluray player. And to be honest, while I do have the option of streaming 4K HDR movies from the Apple TV I think I will still prefer the 1080p Bluray upscaled from my TV to 4K and getting all the other benefits such as Dolby TRUE-HD/DTS-HD Master AUDIO.
@@ThePCGameplaysHD "...the difference in sharpness and detail was amazing playing a regular 1080p bluray..." - this it true, but you still miss the Dolby Vision and HDR10+ content and that makes the another huge step,
"...and getting all the other benefits such as Dolby TRUE-HD/DTS-HD Master AUDIO..."
This is not true this is only a theory, in reality you don't get Dolby TrueHD with your cheap old bluray disks, it has only DTS in practice.
I have a 4K blu-ray player that does upscaling as mentioned by another person and a 4K television and can see the difference between 1080P and 4K. The largest improvement is HDR which has better black details and colors. I'm not sure why others are so negative about 4K movies? This video is 2 years old and there are a lot more movies available now! Alita battle angel is a great movie to rent or buy to see how good 4K has become.
Here it is 2019 two years later you should do an updated video in 4k so we can see the detail of the egg that's on your face
The price point is also an issue. I can get a brand new BD movie for €14-19, while a 4K movie is around €30 here in Sweden.
true... i normally buy new BR movies about two months after release, normally around 10-14 dollars... 4K about 23-30 dollars, no thank you
Reason why 4K release is twice as expensive is because you get both: Full HD BD and UHD BD.
Just to provide you with some international info: in the UK at my supermarket a brand new release movie is £25 4K £15 bluray £10 DVD.
@@doncristobalaspee5925 So, basically you're getting regular BR release £5 off if you get 4K release. Not bad.
Don't buy - download movies from Torrent for free)
You need to see the dark knight trilogy in 4K because they have IMAX shots! 4K blu-rays are the future!
I got an Lg E9 oled, with a Panasonic Ub820 4k Bluray player. Yes the Dark Night Trilogy, is amazing, its like watching live TV, its that clear. 👍
I must be getting ripped off cuz I bought The Dark Knight Trilogy in 4k ultra HD and it looked liked it was upscaled from 720p. I've gone to the "real or fake 4k" websites and they say it is true 4k but the video quality wasn't crisp at all. The only real crisp, real 4k movie I have is Gemini Man and the video quality in gemini man has blown me away.
But I still don't understand how The Dark Knight is real 4k but Avengers Endgame is fake 4k and the picture quality in Avengers Endgame is way crispier?
4k movies come with better audio than normal Blu-ray movies like Dolby Atmos and DTS 7.1
I think a lot of people who don't get the difference simply don't have their televisions calibrated properly. You can't just pull it out of the box and go with the default settings. You have to research a little and get it how you like it. I had my 70" 4K TV and player for some time before I hit that "sweet spot." Added to that, a 4K player usually upscales BD discs, so they look better than on a regular BD player anyway, which may make it seem like the difference isn't as great, but the difference is staggering... truly. Put that BD disc into an old BD player and compare that to a 4K disc in a 4K player on a properly calibrated 4K TV and tell me it still looks the same. You also need a proper cable. The one that comes with the TV or 4K player is usually just a regular HD cable.
Thanx you jus saved me a boat load of money. Im satisfied with my blu ray on 4K TV
I heard "Life of Pi" is really good in 4K, particularly because of the HDR. It might be the only 4K Blu-ray where it really makes a difference.
It looks great, but there are many movies where 4k blu-ray makes a difference. Every Nolan movie looks incredible in 4k.
I'll pass for now ...I'm waiting on 50K .......suppose to have real people in your tv. :-)
hahaha u might be able to touched them😏
Lmao and they'll bake real cookies for you too.
🤣 Love your post👍 I'll wait on "real people" too😄
The snozberries will taste like Snozberries!
It is already available. It is called ‘going outside’.
I've only upgraded a few titles from DVD to Blu. No way I'm updating my somewhat large DVD collection, and I still buy regular DVDs based on price, title, etc. I'll stick with Blu and old fashioned DVD.
ive watched the harry potter collection on dvd on my 4k bluray player and it upscales great. Dare I say that they looked as good as 4k bluray when I peeked away from an unreasonable 15 feet of distance on my 50 inch tv.
@@DarkSoul-ds2 "Dare I say that they looked as good as 4k bluray" Never. Either your eyes are very bad or you've never seen an actual 4k blu ray movie.
santaria19 from like 15 feet away i said
Some Dvds aren't on Blu Ray so explains why Blu Ray hasn't seen Dvd off like Dvd did to VHS
I love my 4K, but there is a much bigger difference between DVD, and Blu-ray, compared to Blu-ray, and 4K
It’s now 2019 and 4K formate is out the roof. I own around 125 titles and movie collectors are switching completely to 4K. My new Samsung 4K us incredible with HDR. It depends on the cables you use, the quality of the player and TV. They all add up. Also audio is a huge factor in 4K. It’s like iMax in your home with the correct setup.
I am more than happy with 1080P Blu Ray quality. I used to be one of those early adopters who had to have the latest tech but not anymore I’m tired of giving the big tech companies and Hollywood studios all my money! I am from the U.K. and regularly purchase disc only Blu Rays from people who bought the 4K version and want to recoup some of their cash. They normally sell for £5/6 for the latest movies which is far better value than £20//25 for the equivalent 4K.
I can understand people wanting the 4K disk as it usually has the Atmos sound mix attached to it ( the studios are very cunning not to include the Atmos mix on most 1080p versions to encourage people with Atmos setups to pay the extra money for the 4K disk) I have a very high end 5.1 audio setup and don’t plan on upgrading to Atmos so that doesn’t appeal to me either. I also do ALL of my movie watching on my 1080p JVC projector and the image quality is outstanding. Ok I might see slightly less colours and no HDR (which hasn’t been properly Implemented on projectors yet, anyway) so for the foreseeable future I’ll stick with what I have. Maybe I will upgrade to 4K when the new 8k standard for movies will be released, hopefully by then I will be able to pick up 4K discs for the £5/6 I am paying now.
4k gaming looks brilliant on 4k television as well
I’m pretty sure blade runner 2049 was in true 4k
yes, it is.
Yes, Roger Deakins supervised it in post production and finished it in 4k.
@@travisspazz1624 and a superb film it is too imho!
it wasn't released yet when he made this video
As for the thumbnail, The Revenant is clean AF!
I use a projector with a 12' wide screen. 4K definitely makes a difference.
I doubt you have a 4K projector. If the retail price of it was less than about $6,000 and it's marketed as "4K", it's bullshit. Those use "pixel shift" which supposedly simulates 4K. Their native resolution is 1920x1080. Also, even if you do have a true 4K projector, if you're seeing a difference in detail between ~2K and 4K then you're sitting too close to the screen. 2K DCPs are still more common than 4K DCPs, which means you're more likely to see 2K in a theater than 4K. Theater screens are way bigger than 12'. Even in a small discount theater, the screen is usually at least 25'.
@@MaximRecoil You have no idea what you are talking about. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
After purchasing more than a dozen 4K movies, looking for that elusive 4K eye-popper, played on a very good 4K player and a LG 77” 3-D TV, I agree COMPLETELY with your conclusions, Nikki. Excellently done! My own personal advice on investing in 4K: DON’T SELL THE FARM! Fortunately, I didn’t.
P.S. in reading “Sound and Vision” regularly for years, I’ve never seen anything like THIS comparison in terms of factual, unbiased evaluation, conclusions and recommendations. Blame that on relying on advertisers, I would guess.
P.S.S. How about a review of the latest LG 77” flagship or the current YAMAHA flagship AVR or PRE/PRO/AMP combination.
Love your equipment and top-notch reviews.
Great honest review. I'll stick with what I have at the moment. Thanks
After replacing my entire library of movies from VHS to DVD to BLU RAY! That hobby has become way too expensive! I think I will just buy a good 4K TV and player which will upscale my BLU RAY'S close enough to 4K resolution!
Well this trick won't work for Star Wars 4k for example
I like the new english format, and content like this. Keep up the good work :)
You completely missed the mark. 2 years later 4K movies are a couple bucks more then blu Ray and 4K TVs are the new standard.
droclinic definitely not, blu-ray prices drop down to 8€ really quickly, yet 4k uhd blu-rays are always 20€ or 30€
Vertti blu rays are stiller cheaper, but every 4K comes with a blu Ray copy. I have around 50 4K movies and the difference between them is very noticeable. Since I love movies so much a superior picture quality is most have for me. I’d say on average I pay 15 to 20 dollars for each one, amazon has great deals, just have to keep on eye on the prices. Plus I try to buy 4K box sets and that saves a lot of money. I recommend Christopher Nolan movies in 4K, they look incredible, this video does not mention imax shots and completely sweeps hdr under the rug.
I agree 100. I say just buy blu ray and let your 4k tv and 4k player upscale. I have noticed a lot of 4K discs are very expensive now if you can get a deal or it's the same price as Blu-ray than yes I would get the 4K. One thing that does annoy me about buying 4k is you get the 4k disc, 1080p blu ray, digital copy yet no DVD. If you buy a 1080p Blu-ray movie get the 1080p Blu-ray, a DVD and digital copy. I feel if I buy a 4K movie I should get a 4K movie the 1080p disc the digital copy and a DVD. Yes I want all four formats.
he say he cant see the difference but at first glance I can tell a huge difference
better image + HDR worth to buy. blueray 1080p is good but 4k HDR is better.
What if my tv doesn't support HDR? 😥
I mean i have a 4K tv but is HDR really worth it to upgrade ?
@@fayezm3148 hdr is the only real advantage of 4k movies
Superb video full of information, Thanks man. I bought just one 4k Bluray (Spider-Man Homecoming) and that has been my conclusion exactly. Not buying any more 4k. I find that a top standard Bluray is still better than the digital screens in the Cinema!.
James Lovell sounds like your set up is the issue
Now, this has been one of the most helpful UA-cam videos this year. I will not buy the 400 dollars worth of 4K movies in my Amazon shopping cart. Thanks.
I believe it is! I have an 4K LG OLED with fantastic HDMI cables and the 4K Blu-ray’s come I’m SOOO CLEAR! It actually makes the movie more engaging! I LOVE 4K
Wow! Informative, thank u man.
Just watched the Revenant in 4k and it looked amazing! Huge difference. With that said, I'm waiting for 8k tvs 😂
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What tv did you watch it on.
I agree, The Revenant looks awesome in 4K. As soon as I put the disc in and saw the menu screen, I was impressed.
So 8k is going to be the real 4k? Lmao that would suck
Why? 8k is the most pointless thing ever. Do you plan on sitting 1mm away from your TV?
The step up in quality from VHS to DVD was awesome and something I had to have. I couldn't go back to watching VHS after that. The step from DVD to Blu-Ray was cool but never really something I found necessary. I'm still just fine watching a regular DVD or streaming. I can't imagine myself ever buying physical 4K media.
DVDs are shit. Most of them have horrendous digital artifacts and the only benefit they brought was better audio. Blu Ray and HD was the real revolution and 4K is stunning. Night and day difference from standard HD with hdr and object oriented sound.
DVD to Blu-ray is a large improvement, not as much as Blu-ray to 4K
@@philippillis9393 I would say that the revolution began with DVDs. Remember the old days when you were reminded to "be kind, rewind"? Yes, I'm talking about your old VHS tapes that you had to manually rewind at the end of the movie. When is the last time you did that with a DVD? Or how about the ability to skip directly to a specific chapter on a movie? Ever try to do that with VHS tape?
The fact is that the revolution began when we made the jump from analog technology to digital technology, just like the jump from phonograph records to CDs. THAT was the start of the revolution.
After that, we have had incremental improvements in the quantity of data provided by improved formats.
I generally stream but for my go to favorite movies, Braveheart, Black Hawk Down, GOT, etc., I have switched to 4K blu-rays because I want the best possible picture and sound on my OLED TV and sound bar.
Where 4k really shines is movies shot with film. There is a lot of of older movies shot on film getting the 4k treatment too.
Good honest assessment of the current state of movie resolution. I have noticed that the Netflix 4k native content looks exceptionally good on my 4k TV. For example, Jessica Jones and Lost in Space look really good. I believe that those shows are a good indication of where the technology is going.
Thanks for your video. i do have to disagree with you though. Movies like Blade-runner 2049, The Martian and Thor Ragnarok are pretty impressive on 4K. Just my opinion...take care.
They are impressive sure. but they are not 4 times BluRay like they should be.
Many people don’t realize that you also need a great tv! Not all 4K TVs are equal people! Spend a little more money for a tv with some of the bells and whistles; a larger refresh rate for sure and maybe HDR. LG OLED’s are awesome, had mine for a year now! No complaints! Tons of 4k content on UA-cam as well. Also, if you normally wear glasses, then please wear your glasses when watching as to fully notice the quality.
I fully agree...
James Lovell blade runner 2049 is definitely 4x the quality. its the best looking disc i’ve ever seen. even without directly comparing it to the blu ray you’ll be blown away
I find it to be an impressive visual and auditory experience. Really glad I bought it...
Thanks for this. Very informative. Answered questions I had been wondering about for a while.
The rush to 8k, yet 90% of movies marketed as 4k are not. This is a great video. This fact however is very troubling.
When you stream a movie at home the sound & picture is compressed. 4k discs are the best sound & picture available.
And another reason is many 4k tvs upscale hd to 4k, could be why you cant see the difference?🤔
Wesley Meredith I think they ALL do that.....
4k tvs can only display a 4k resolution.
Adrian Arenas 4k tvs can display every resolution up to 4k. Try setting a youtube video to 360p, a 4k tv will play it at that resolution!
@@wezz69 No, what you are seeing is a 360p resolution stretched out to 4k.
which is why watching any non-upscaled content looks so awful in 4k tvs.
Anyone old enough to remember VCD?
It's worth it... Dont listen to a guy that doesnt know about hdr. Hollywood is getting ready to start using 8k so once everyone finally comes around to 4k the ones that have already adapted will be laughing as we are getting ready to move on and have people like this guy say he can't see the difference.
i think watching 4k movie's especially one's from 80s and 90s is amazing. Like watching the movie for First time . 4k does it work well on older movie's.
When people say they can't get the best for watching 4k movies. It actually helps if you have a 4k telly, even if it's 4k upscale
You must keep in mind, to achieve full 4k uhd experience you must have the right set up. Cables, connections, equipment, ect. Also many 4k uhd movies have not only visual quality but sound quality encoded as well. Dtsx, dolby atmos. It's worth it.
You will get Amtos and dts x in 1080p also.
@@krsalilkr I have yet to see a blu ray dvd that supports dolby atmos. I could be wrong but ive only seen uhd blu ray with sound quality
Wow!... That was honest. Thank you! Subscribed!!!
The best 4K movies are movies made in film. Blade runner looks absolutely stunning on 4k
Hey umm frozen is not from Pixar!
short answer: YES. higher resolution, better colors, better sound standard support (atmos)
IF done right and really done in 4K. just go watch a few 4K nature docs...
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I think there's a massive difference between the two,i feel sorry for the dude cus his stuck with all those blu rays.
If you ;have a better surround sound system more and more of the Atmos and DTS X tracks are only available on the 4K Discs so if you want to get the most out of your home theater you kind of need the 4K
That's true. The studios have figured on how to play the game concerning the audio tracks.Coming in 2 years, Ultra Ultra Dolby Atmos and DTS XXX
Thank you for that review it was very helpful. I've been researching 4K playback and your review has put it into perspective.
you missing point, my all favorite movies from 80s and 90s shot on 35mm film, which can be scanned up to 6k. Original negative scanned to 4k is Cristal clear compare to 1080p blue ray.
Right, anything shot on 35mm or 65mm is already in ~6k (With 65/70mm films holding much higher resolutions than digital which can be scanned at 8k and 16k in the future.) Shooting digitally at 2k is not future proof. Shooting digitally at 6k or 8k would be a good idea for better colors and future re-releases. Film was and is very future proof which is why we have seen many rescans of old movies, where the studios scan the original color negatives at 4k and release them on Blu Ray and/or 4K Ultra HD. A 4k scan then downsampled to 1080p is going to look beautiful.
@@RadicalEntertainment Film is not future proof at all. You can't just keep on rescanning it in higher and higher resolutions, that's not how it works. 99% of movies shot on 35mm will never be scanned in anything higher than 4K because you will not get any more detail doing so, you'll just get finer grain.
@@evooff I know that, I said 65mm can be scanned at 4K and then IF 8K becomes a thing, they can re-scan movies like 2001 and TENET at 8K.
35mm is 6K
65mm is 12K
IMAX 15/70 is 18K.
@@RadicalEntertainment 35mm is not 6K. Even 4K is stretching it. You would need the negative to be in the absolute best condition, shot with the best lenses and the film stock to be as light on grain as possible to be able to extract 4K from 35mm.
Even normal 2K digital cameras can often be more detailed than 35mm film scanned in 4K resolution.
Also IMAX cameras shoot in 65mm.
This guy has a cheap telly and a cheap
4K player, no wonder he isn’t impressed. Get some decent equipment before criticising
Right? He didn't even mention what model he has
I think you had a pretty bad tv for HDR if you didn't see much difference there. I'd much rather prefer watching movies with good HDR / dolby vision than "true 4k".
this
hdr is in 4k dipshit
Mike B No, it works right now
But also dolby vision is a 12 bit color signal. While hdr10 is a 10 bit color signal...No tv has a 12 bit color signal. Hence dolby vision is a lil better than hdr 10 but its a gimmick to make us spend money.
I bought my tv thinkin dolby vision was a must
4k is overhyped. The plus of 4k is I can now buy cheap blurays.
It depends on the individual title some are still just 2k upscaled while others are true 4K especially if they were shot on film because film has a lot of information
I got it for the Dolby Vision HDR and better colors. It's all about the mastering and how the film was shot. It's definitely a tricky one. For most people streaming will be just fine. For myself I love what Dolby Vision offers and can tell a big difference. However it's not like going from DVD to Blu-ray. With that being said. This will be my last physical media upgrade, period. I'm still upgrading DVD's. Plus there's films that haven't even made it to Blu-ray yet. All about those film rights!
I agree. Many older movies and tv series' that haven't even made it to blu ray yet and will probably take for ever to do so. I was surprised to learn that Disney's The Black Hole is still not on blu ray.
I just bought the recently released Space Precinct dvd collection. They said that it was only possible to release it on dvd and no blu ray will ever be released.
@@Tony-1971 Amazing guess it boils down to time. Having enough of it to do a proper 4K film scan and get it out onto a Blu-ray.
Watching these old movies with HDR in 4K with 10bpc and over 1k nits with proper back lighting is where they really shine "pun intended". The HDR and 10 bit panels is where it's at, but I agree it will be even better once they start filming more in true 4K.
Although, 4k is good I personally think it’s too much money and not worth it
I still prefer my old Panasonic 1080p Plasma. Movies look like movies, not over processed. When looking at buying, I tried a 50inch LED/LCD , with Blu-ray of Titanic and Fifth Element, Titanic looked like a doco and Element too.. so plasma it was and still is. 😀👌
Boaty Mc Boatface i just recently disposed of my plasma TV:( it kept breaking n repairs on that thing were just toooooooo expensive. Glad im not the only one still using one of dem things.
Boaty Mc Boatface I still have a 60 inch plasma Samsung that works great. Stay are amazing for color the only problem is once the gas burns out it's expensive to fix. And the biggest downfall was the heat that it produces. Great for cold climates
Got a 75" Sony LCD to replace my 65" Plasma last year, but the Plasma still has a home in my garage. I like a lot of things about the Sony, but in a lot of ways the Plasma still kicks it's ass. I didn't get rid of the Plasma, I just found a new wall for it to hang upon. I'll never get rid of my old Panasonic, it's awesome.
to be honest, 4k probably shines more on video games, not so much on remasters of old movies
Boaty Mc Boatface I'm still using my 42" Panasonic 720p Plasma :). One of these days I'll upgrade to 4K.
I think you have a cheap 4K TV without HDR 10.
PhillyDjHook a Samsung qled q9f 2018 or 2019 65” or bigger is what you need. Hdr plus and Dolby vision are great. I have a cheaper model Samsung q7f 65” and is gorgeous.
@@daniellopez8330 if you're a movies guy go a head for the OLED's not good for hardcore gamers tho.
@@fayezm3148 Why aren't they good for gamers? Just wondering
@@austinwillcut4919 oled's in general offers a great picture even in gaming modes but it's not practical as LED's, like if you played long hours with static images it can cause some kind of burning in the screen the static images can appear in if watched other contents ' but this can only happen after a long long period of time ,
I think the LG nano sell is great for gamers also it offers a decent level of deep black not like oled's but it's more practical ..
You're welcome to check out some UA-cam videos in that regard , peace
It's because most movies are fake 4k
One thing he should understand is that not many titles were made in True 4K! A lot of these titles were originally 2K while upscaling to 4K, which means they are not true Native 4K!! I thought he was crazy that he wasn't impressed with The Revenant because that title is in Native 4K, and I thought watching it in 4K looked absolutely stunning!! Though to be fair, this IS around the time when 4K was just kicking off, and that 4K Blu-Ray player he was using wasn't the best around, so I understand why he wasn't on board with 4K.
In your video, you have the 65 in LG television that I have. Don't forget that our tv's have automatic video upscalling. It automatically makes HD content look nearly 4k level. When I brought my tv, there were several tv's without the up scale feature. At that time and on the tv's without it you could plainly see the comparison difference of the side by side 4K/HD videos. At this point, I don't know if any 4K tv does not have Auto Upscalling.
And blu ray did the same damn thing. They took low res and put it in Blu ray. Quality is the same. Old trick.
You all claiming 4k is crap when you're viewing relatively small screens. HD still looks razor sharp at 65", but try it at 120" +. Fools.
Well most of us don't watch on 120 inch screens. I'm perfectly content on a 60 inch plasma screen.
Very helpful. I was watching my first 4k bluray yesterday and I wasn't impressed. I stumbled upon your video and it confirmed my suspicions. Thanks for the informative video
Just watch the blu-ray on your phone and you will be watching in 100k
Most likely your movie is fake 4k
The Ultra HD format brings Dolby Atmos and DTS-X for audio. If you're an audiophile, this is the format you want to use!
There are many bluray titles that contain the Dolby Atmos format
Sony x800 4K Bluray, Pioneer Elite lx103, Klipsch 600 5.1, LG B8 55 inch all 2018 models (mancave) and my #1 movie is Terminator Genesis. Unbelievable sound, deeeeeep base. blackest black. I was blown away by the difference from bluray to 4K. Also check out Interstellar 4k Sounds are thrown all over the room
This video is old and this statement dosen't hold up very well now
Apparently, no one understands the need for 4K, and certainly no one is explaining it. That's because retailers need to make money, and having the next latest amazing gear sells products. But the truth, as you are discovering in this video, is that the level of difference btw the two formats for viewers watching movies on home theater systems is very small and nearly undetectable. Now for the real reason why 4K was developed. Movies have historically been projected from film onto very large movie house screens with no pixelation issues. High definition became popular for home use and for video makers because the resolution was so much better than in SD, which really was very poor. But if you project an HD movie onto a very large screen in a movie house, you will get easily noticeable pixilation, esp when seated in the first half dozen rows in front of the screen. So along comes 4K, and now the resolution is sufficient to compare to film, and no pixilation is noticeable in the movie house. HD could never replace film for movie house display, but 4K can. As for making videos for youtube, and for watching movies at home, HD is just fine. In fact, all my SD movies on DVD look pretty good on my HD TV.
*pixelation
You couldn’t be more wrong
Even my 65 year old mom would argue with you about 4k. She was blown away by the difference and she was a person that was happy watching a dvd on a 55HDTV. Not anymore! Her mind has been changed with 4k!
4k with HDR gives you depth, vividness and clarity that regular HD doesn’t.
Please do not say DVD is okay. Anyone that thinks that is not wasting their time watching videos like this. On a 32 inch TV 10-15 feet away, DVD is okay.
2019 now and alot more 4K Blu rays are out and plus it comes with a Blu Ray disc anyways so I rather buy 4K...I wonder what he thinks of 8K? Lol
8K is pointless unless you have a 150 inch TV and you enjoy sitting 4 feet from the screen.
I wonder why some 4k discs don’t come with a blu ray while others have it?
Very informative video i guess we have to wait abit longer until UHD Movies are really in 4K.