"Is that an RF Gelgoog?" "No, this madman is in an original." "Stay away then." "Why? He's piloting an antique." "He's clearly crazy and has massive balls, do not engage."
"Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well" I can suggest looking up the Gelgoog's post-OYW successors, aside from the more known MS-14J ReGelg: -MS-14J.zm Gelgoog III, from Advance of Zeta Reboot, a MS from Zeon Mars. -OMS-14RF RF Gelgoog, from the Formula Wars 0122 SNES game, also made by Mars bound Zeon Remnants who were referred to as the Oldsmobile army. -OMS-14SRF RG Gelgoog Charles Rochester Custom, basically a custom commander version of the above, beam shield included!
While I quite like the Zaku 4; there's reason why the Geara Doga stuck around longer in comparison. Especially as the flexibility even compared to a Zaku 4 with its optional equipment is notably higher.
I really think you should reconsider some of these criterias, like comparing the "frame versatility" of a design that IRL has been around for less than 7 years (when the Moon Gundam manga first came out) versus one that has been around for... 36 years (CCA)? ... God I feel old. Anyway, it's like comparing any new MS introduced in the last 5 years versus the OG Zaku II or GM, whose number of variants grows closer to 100... if not already surpassed that threshold. The Zaku III began with barely 3 two variants, the vanilla AMX-011 and AMX-011S, but today we have a lot more, let alone the lineart only ideas for some alternative pitches of equipment (hover skirts, funnel containers, chest plugged mega launcher, etc.). I'm also a bit skeptic of including model kit only variations, as cool as they might look. This is specially the case for variants that seem unlikely, which could basically include every ground use version of the Geara Doga, since there doesn't seem much pointing to Char having the resources to actually fund a second front requiring specialized machines. Also, didn't one of this also claimed that Char mass produced a ground version of the Sazabi, the MSN-04B and that he had like 80 units made? That definitely doesn't sound like something a resource strapped Newborn Zeon would do! the fact that the figure of 100 Geara Dogas is commonly thrown around also makes me question that they would try to come up with so many specialized variants for a machine produced in relatively low numbers. Off the top of my head, some of Gihren Greed's games had Geara Dogas without backpacks, instead replaced with racks for carrying containers, for an Earth invasion in some scenarios, but at that point we are heading into the non-canon Gyan variants territory of the same series. On the other hand, I'm saddened that you didn't mentioned the first generation of Oldsmobile MS, from the 1st Oldsmobile War in Mars from U.C. 0120. These are said to be for all practical purposes, Geara Doga internals with the exterior of OYW MS. The 2nd gen RF units introduced in the 2nd Oldsmobile War on Earth do seem to be new machines that dropped the disguise act in favor of better performance, and also used gundarium alloy. Moving on, I think tactical use could be better presented as "logistics", and perhaps a separate entry for their role among their available MS, ships & other gear, where versatility could be included. I fully agree that the impression of Char's & later U.C. 0090s Neo Zeon movements is that they are in deep financial problems, and therefore the Geara Doga seems better suit their needs. I do will say that with the increasing mentions & presence of Mars bound Zeon forces, the Zaku IV might end up being a better match for them. Mobile Monthly Machine vol. 06 (the one about the RF Kampfer) indicates that the production capabilities of the martian Zeon forces match those of Luna II, saying that they ended up producing around 500 RF machines. Furthermore, Advance of Zeta Reboot seems to indicate that these guys were the ones providing a large volume of MS to Haman's Axis/Neo Zeon, including a large batch of AMX-014R Reben Wolves meant to supplement her forces, which they ultimately had to ship back to Mars due to the civil war at Side 3. They also took the Zaku III and modified it into the AMX-011G or AMX-011RG, which gave it a more Zaku II like green color scheme and a beam gatling gun, a decision seemingly meant to mimic the MS-06's trademark 120mm machine gun. The AMX-009G Dom III got a similar treatment. Point is, they seem to have more resources and better logistics than Char's Neo Zeon & direct successors, which later have to adopt the Geara Zulu, which is seems to hardly be considered an upgrade over the Geara Doga (in some ways even seen as a downgrade). The whole projection thing sounds highly speculative, and for starters I can't remember anyone confusing a Geara Doga with a Zaku. Also, I'm confused by your idea that being related to the Zaku II is good, despite the Principality of Zeon losing the war against the EF, while the Zaku III connection is bad, when Haman's Neo Zeon technically did defeat the EF, whom accepted to surrender Side 3, with her defeat being the result of the civil war that devastated Neo Zeon and left them in shape to oppose the EF fleet that arrived after the fact, with no actual fighting taking place by that point between Zeon and EF forces (Judau being one of the more anti-EF Gundam main characters out there). That being said, I think the real problem of the Zaku III connection is that the machine was simply not very common at the time: I'm pretty sure we see less than 10 units throughout the entire series, with only Raman's and Mashymre's units having any relevant role, the rest barely amounting to more than minor cameos. Didn't help matters that the Doven Wolf stole the spotlight as a better mass production model, and whose Reben Wolf variant got a more Zaku like appearance. The Gaza G makes more sense in such scenario, given the huge amount of Gaza Cs throughout of Z (between 250-300 units at the time) & ZZ, with the Gaza D showing up in large numbers only by the end of ZZ (around the Cicero asteroid). I'm still tempted to think that Vincent Gleissner's unit has its origins in Haman's Neo Zeon, between his partner using the AMX-018[HADES] with the previous numerical model number entry and its first appearance in U.C. 0090, 2 years before the AMX-116 Zaku IV that seems more evidently following the design philosophy of Haman's more resourceful Axis/Neo Zeon. You know, this reminds me that Advance of Zeta Reboot actually solved in recent years the dilemma of who created the Hizack: the EF created on their own the RX-106 Prototype Hizack, which they would later use as the base machine for some specialized variants (RX-106E and RX-106M). The RX-106 was turned to Anaheim Electronics, who refined it into the YRMS-106 Hizack pre-prdocuiton type, which was the base model for the AE related Hizack variants. There's also AE's F71 G-Cannon, essentially a downgraded version of the SNRI's F70 Gundam Cannon that the SNRI sent to AE for mass production, and whose end result they'd didn't like. Given that we are told that 10 or so commander machines of the Geara Doga exist, and the earliest one is of similar color to Rezin's commander unit, what if these 10 commander types are actually Axis/1st Neo Zeon made AMX-119 units (probably using gundarium gamma like most units in Haman forces at the time), some of which like the aforementioned examples were handed to AE for mass production, resulting in the AMS-119. The AMS-119S Geara Doga Kai could be seen as an attempt to produce additional units closer to the original spec (which is why the sue gundarium gamma), which in a twist of irony end up as Lehr Dogas, resembling the original base model, essentially going full circle, even meant to equip the parts of other 1st Neo Zeon MS. But I digress. I think that the AMS-119 is fitting for Char's & his successors needs... and limitations, while the AMX-116 is the better machine, but a better fit for Haman's Neo Zeon and her Mars bound allies, whom seem to have contributed to the resourcefulness of her faction in no small part. Therefore I would conclude that the Geara Doga is the better MP machine for Char & the Sleeves, while the Zaku IV would have been better for Haman, Mars bound Zeon forces... and basically anyone more resourceful than the first group.
I agree Im highly split over some of the comparisons like the hizack > gm 2 for the criteria I’d personally say the gm 2 not having many variants is a testament to how good the base design is- like we see in Gundam seed with the concept of all-rounded suits like the zaku warrior, having a lot of variants means specialized warfare but also a need for additional equipment and modification for it to be ready for other combat situations. Essentially, a mobile suit that can be used in any situation without any changes would save materials and deployment time (ex the acguy’s agguguy and juaggu variants mean the acguy frame was versatile but also not that well rounded Take Gundam seed for example. Even with all the differentiated striker packs, they all end with a one pack fit all (perfect, iwsp, ootori, noir) that doesn’t need to be swapped out to fit any combat situation Regardless I feel that in the hizack scenario having more variants makes sense because it’s prototype was a test bed unit and thus variants make sense, but the gm ii being directly based on the gm means faster production and less wasted gm stock. I also feel that this shouldn’t have as much weight in decision making compared to factors like the psychology of zeonic suits and Anaheim’s production that defined the era at the time. In addition yes the hizack can use many weapons but the fact that the gm ii still had a massive advantage by using both a widely used beam rifle and sabers without generator strain in an era where beam weapons were the norm and yet this factor had little significance in the analysis shocked me This system needs some kind of change to reflect the situation of the era the suits were used or something to weigh factors more reasonablu
No mention of the Jagd Doga as a Geara Doga variant? It's a direct descendant of the Geara Doga psycho test units, and the parts are interchangeable; Quess' unit was repaired with an arm and backpack from a Geara Doga.
I did actually mentioned the Jagd Doga, but through its direct predecessors the Bagwi Doga, Rote Doga and Geara Doga Psycommu Test Type. The Jagd is a synthesis of those three Doga variants and is thus more of a new extension of the Doga line that a Geara Doga mere "variants"
@@gundamfacts Plus, if we got by patching up MS with other parts, Ecole Du Ciel showed a Rick Dom getting a Zaku II arm to replace the one it lost, and let's not forget the infamous "Zeta Zaku". The Jagd Doga was most likely repaired with the Geara Doga parts because it was likely what was most readily available in U.C. 0093 for Char's Neo Zeon remnants. If it had been damaged in U.C. 0096, perhaps it would have been repaired with Geara Zulu parts instead.
It's literally just Beltorchika Children's AU version of the Jagd Doga. It's an alternative version that sped up the HI Nu creation in that particular story, nothing more
I'm on Geara Doga team, it is undeniable that Geara Doga had strong influence in UC 100s tech, primarily on Mars Zeon MS tech such as the RF Series. Also overall design of Geara Doga is universal that even the EFF used it as Agressor Unit to train it's future pilot in a relatively peaceful time.
the Doven wolf is the best, hands down. It should had been used as the mass production mobile suits since its creation. Just its generator, the weapons and the fact that it was biuld specifically to b mass produced should had been enought to be used for years in the future
Once you can power a beam rifle for a decent number of shots, and move your limbs fast enough, extra generator power doesn't mean much unless you're going to mount an Ifield.
Have to disagree: The AMX-101 Gallus J's unusually high power output, which normally doesn't seem useful for nothing, was apparently meant to power its beam magnum like beam rifle, when it was conceived to operate as the Unicorn's weapon, but it seems the staff got cold feet and later made the awkward choice of just saying that it was a beam rifle with missiles (which is redundant considering the Gallus J has missiles as fixed weapon). Similarly, the Zaku III lineart showed the option to plug a mega launcher below the right side of its upper torso, in a similar fashion as a Gaza C. Such weapon actually gives the claim that the Zaku III competed with a 4th gen machine like the Doven Wolf a leg to stand on, since such weapon was one of the supposed requirements to even be considered for the classification (as per Entertainment Bible). But let's consider a more simple example: the Gaza D and Gawomn. The later could be seen as a more advanced version of the former, but it has a lower generator output. The key difference between their weapons is that the Gaza D's hyper knuckle buster is linked directly to the MS generator's, while the Gazowmn's weapon is an e-cap version. There are pros & cons of each approach, like the generator linked weapon essentially never running out of ammo, but on the other it's fixed in place, making aiming with it a bit awkward. It's also said that the Gazowmn's version has lower power output, but higher firing rate. But perhaps the most infamous example is the Hizack, whose reactor output of 1,428kW is almost comically just barely below the necessary to operate two beam weapons at once, as suggested by the Hizack Custom whose 1,480kW reactor do allows it to use, not just two beam weapons at once, but one being a souped up sniper beam rifle. Every bit counts!
@DIEGhostfish No bro, the one on Twilight Axis is Zaku III intended for Char Aznable use, not Zaku IV since the 4th Zaku is Moon Gundam exclusive unit.
if i had to chose another video like this, i'd have to ask for the GM Custom VS The GM Quel. Aside from wanting more info on how they're different, the GM Custom just seemed like the better Mass Production machine. Sure it was more expensive, but it's not like they NEEDED all that man power. And by the time they did, they werent using the Quel anyways.
@@gundamfacts How about a G-Line vs GM II, or a RGM-87 BR-GM vs GM III? I have wondered if the supposed division between AMX-000 series and AMX-100 series development teams meant that some of their designs overlapped role-wise or even competed between them. Like Zaku III vs Gallus J (general use) , or Gazomwn vs Zssa (bombardment type). The original plot point of using an amphibious invasion do apparently considered the amphibious variants of the Gaza and Gazowmn early on, which were finally depicted in AoZ Reboot. The Capule would have been seen as a rival design in such context. And this actually makes me raise the question: wouldn't this mean that the AMX-011 Zaku II and AMX-116 Zaku IV were made by different teams? Could they actually be rival designs? It also suggests that the same team that made the Zaku IV made the AMS-119 Geara Doga, at least assuming that the model number was just slightly altered from an initial AMX-119.
I know its late but honestly if i was a neo zeon remnant commander i would choose the zaku IV over the gear doga anyday to issue to my troops however the hope for the zaku IV every really being mass-produced died with axis so the chances of me getting my hands on any would slim to none so i would likely beforced to use the geara doga.
7:43 I think weight may or may not be a factor depending on the location where they used in gravity (on earth or colony inner surface) maybe a factor, but in zero gravity every functions won't be hindered so I guess the one with higher output may be better than the other
2:32 To me, the 'Geara Doga' looks like an improved and more streamlined 'ZAKU FZ KAI' on steroids. It just feels like its descendant. EDIT: Which is AWESOME!
I love these videos and hope you keep doing this series, however I do have a request for the editor (that will make your life harder, sorry haha). Would it be possible to put the source for whatever is on-screen at the time in the top left or top right (or wherever you think best)? I'd love to see it for all images/frames of the video which of course is allot of work, but at the least for the official tv shows/movies/video games it would be nice to see where the videos are from. Just a suggestion!
I would love to but sadly it isn't possible. I'm basically running the channel on my own, which mean I do everything from research, sometimes translations, scripting, recording and finally editing. If I had to quote every panel I would get an additional layer of work that I simply can't afford for my mental health.
@@gundamfacts what about a list in the description? Not broken down scene-by-scene, just "in this video you see anime clips and manga panels from: moon gundam, CCA, Hathaway,....". That would give curious viewers a place to start, at least.
comparing zaku iv to a geara doga is basicly like comparing a normal jegan to a gustav karl well, to the credits ... zaku iv seems streamlined the zaku iii design and make it less complicated yet still way more powerfull than the predessor.
considering we are talking Mass production types shouldn't cost come into consideration somewhere... I mean a mass production suit is great but what if you can't afford it?
Never liked the Zaku 3 and 4(I do believe it peaked at 2) on the other hand, the Geara Doga is so cool in design, plenty of mods and accessories, plus is a great MS in GBO2🤷♂️
Geara Doga had more versatility, mobility and less costly over the bulky and cumbersome Zaku IV and while Zaku IV is had more Power it's is more difficult to piloting it especially when Geara Doga is more easier to control with better weapon and cut cost more than Zaku IV
Even going by the unofficial mention that Gundam Facts said in the video, the Zaku IV appears to be twice as mobile as the Geara Doga (1G vs 2G), which makes sense, given that the Zaku III was one of the fastest MS of its time, not to mention that machines made with gundarium (Zaku IV) tend to be lighter than those sign older titanium/ceramic composite armor (Geara Doga). Also, bulk doesn't matter as long as you have enough thrust to overcome the issue, which is the case of the Zaku IV. Cost is relative to your available resources: Haman's Neo Zeon and the Mars bound Zeon forces seems to have plenty of resources, which allowed them to mass produce machines made with gundarium, at a point the EF began cutting down on it, first limiting the gundarium armor to the GM III's cockpit and outright committing its sue for the Jegan. The Zeon movements of the 90s do were strapped for resources, but on the other hand, a smaller organization like Mafty do could afford to have their mass produced MS, the Messer series, made with gundarium armor. And I have huge problems with including some of these Geara Doga variants in the equation, not just because it makes little sense for Char's resources strapped faction to open another front on Earth that needs specialized forces, but the materials where most of these appear also indicates that Char's Neo Zeon mass produced 89 MSN-04B Sazabi types for ground combat, which were almost identical to Char's unit (minus the psycommu & related weapons), including overall performance and gundarium armor. Pick "resource strapped faction in need of cheap MS" or "rich enough to mass produce the Sazabi", but please don't come claiming both things at once! Is there anything at all suggesting that the Geara Doga is easier to control? If we go back to the OYW, the heavily armored Rick Dom was considered a better machine for Zeon rookie pilots, since not only the armor gave them a better chance to survive and get better, but it had higher propellant capacity, which was an issue that rookies had with the MS-06F, in which they were prompt to run out of propellant mid-combat, due to wasting it in unnecessary movements. Also, what better weapons? Unicorn indicates that other MS like the Geara Zulu and Zssa can use the same shield & weapons as the Geara Doga, similar to how the GM III can equip the shield with missiles of the Jegan, so that would hardly count as the Zaku IV should be capable of using it too. The higher reactor of the Zaku IV means it can equip weapons with higher energy demands than what the Geara Doga should be able to handle. The Zaku IV can simply swap its handheld weapon for a long range option, while the Geara Doga needs to swap its backpack as well. It gets worse: Twilight Axis shows as Zaku III that was abandoned in Axis since the 1st Neo Zeon war already equipped with a Geara Doga beam machine gun (namely Rezin's model), which means that such weapon was actually designed by the creators of the Zaku III by U.C. 0089. Lastly, even the idea that the Geara Doga's low cost makes it a better choice for a cash strapped Newborn Zeon is questionable, since in the wikia profile of the Zaku IV it says that: "Mass-produced components are used extensively in the basic unit and equipment loadout to minimize manufacturing costs given Newborn's Neo Zeon's limited resources". This means that the Zaku IV do has taken into account Char's Neo Zeon's financial situation, rather than just being a shelved/leftover design made at the time of Haman's more resourceful Neo Zeon.
@ZeonicFenrir problem is that the wikia mentions something wrong. The Zaku IV was never in the hands of Newborn Neo Zeon, ever. The Krangel Faction who fields them are literally a secluded extremist cell that directly oppose Newborn Neo Zeon (Luce Krangel wants to use Mineva to boster his claim against Char), and their Zakus IV (the only ones around) were either manufactured by Axis or inside the Gwasha. The Moon Gundam complement material mentions that the Zaku IV tries to be more versatile, more easy to pilot by a large panel of pilots and take production costs in consideration, but not that it is because "Newborn Neo Zeon" ressources problems. Idk who wrote that page, but it's likely it is someone who didn't even read Moon and assumed the Zaku IV was used by Newborn Neo Zeon. The single direct connection between the Zaku IV and Newborn Neo Zeon is that Illia (who piloted the Commander Zaku IV) used to be part of Newborn Neo Zeon in UC90 (double fake), then was seen as part of the Krangel Faction in Moon. Either she defected or the author forgot, but the Zaku IV IS NOT a Newborn Neo Zeon mech
@@gundamfacts If that's the case, I'm not sure what's the point of comparing the Geara Doga and Zaku IV at all, since they are then used by two factions with a very different amount of resources available. Basically for every group that isn't strapped for resources, the Zaku IV is the better choice, period.
Simple, they both claim the title for the "Zaku IV". The point of the video is for a person like Luce or Char, someone who wants to become the leader of the second Neo Zeon to make a choice. Char went for the Doga, Luce for the Zaku IV, but in the end they both vied to claim each other followers and generalize their choice. The Krangel Faction is also a bit low on ressources (even if Luce is dirty rich and the Gwasha has a sort of manufacturing plant), yet they went for the Zaku IV, so they faced a situation similar to their Newborn Neo Zeon cousins (which might explain why the bulk of their forces are in the end Gaza Gs)
@@gundamfacts Do they? Or rather, does the Geara Doga does? I honestly can't remember any in-universe instance of someone referring to the Geara Doga as a Zaku or Zaku type (despite the obvious intent behind its design), but its situation doesn't seem much different than the Marasai (also made by AE) or even the Gelgoog, machines derived from the Zaku, but ultimately their own separate line of machines. On the other hand, off the top of my head I recall that Asuna (from Ecole Du Ciel) do refers to the Hizacks she fights as "Fed Zakus". IIRC, with the release of 0083, supposedly the Hizack was also partially the result of the EF wanting to use the MS-06F2 for themselves, but the destruction of its production lines in Granada were an obstacle for that, so they basically made their own version of it. On the other hand, the MS-06FZ variant in particular do has more in common with the Geara Doga (though the former's scarcity makes this connection less obvious). Case in point, there's even an image from MS Era showing the jovian energy fleet, escorted by MS-06FZ units using what looks like the Geara Doga backpack. Not to mention their shared trait of having an ammo rack on the waist. The Geara Doga would fit better the role of a MS-06FZ2 Zaku Kai II. While AoZ does focus on a clear schism between the MS that each faction prefers, on the Earth Sphere we don't see much of that: -Eye Zack (up to 5 gray colored units deployed by Mashymre's Endra II). -Several Zaku Mariners. -A few Dwadges at Dakar -A dozen or so Schuzrum Dias (sold by AE to the Republic of Zeon). -The couple of green Marasais from Unicorn. -During the civil war at Side 3 we see several Titans machines, mainly Hizacks, Marasais and oddly even an Asshimar in space. While the later could still be piloted by Titans, given that both Zeon factions field such MS, perhaps they are simply captured units. The alternative is that we have pro-Glemy Titan remnants and pro-Haman Titan remnants. Definitely prefer ReZeon simply absorbing all Titans remnants (which could have potentially included the original pilots of the aforementioned units). But I digress. Above all, there's the Geara Zulu, a machine that proves that building a modern MS that closely resembles Zeon's iconic MS-06F is possible... even if it's performance leaves a bit to be desired (almost feels like the middle step towards the OMS-06RF). If the intent was for the Geara Doga to be a Zaku IV, whether IRL or in-universe, I don't think that goal was achieved. Perhaps if 0080 had actually retconned its designs into the standard variants (specially a MS-06FZ with AMS-119 backpack), then that would have made the Geara Doga a return to form (in this case to the Zaku Kai), and there could be a point to be made. The Zaku IV (due to its name), the Geara Zulu (due to its shape) and naturally the RF Zaku all make a better case for being considered successors to the Zaku II than the Geara Doga does. Plus, nowadays the AMX-011G makes a better link between the MS-06F and AMX-116. The Geara Doga feels more on the Marasai and Gelgoog category, with even the Hizack making a better case (and seemingly succeeding based on Asuna's reaction).
At that time zaku already to old, it was like compare a f15 to f35, so much historical fight and precious data zaku get to all zeon ms, but zaku already at the later cycle life like f15 theres nothing could be added beside some minor thing, at the other side there geara whose born from another breaktrough Tech psychomu so the development of the ms already took a diff route, like f15 and f35 why the USA just doesnt Made a f15 that had a fully Stealth tech, why they choose to built f22 and f35, cuz the f15 just couldnt be upgrade anymore
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More like this, please. I love these kinds of comparison videos.
Neither, gelgoog forever!
"Is that an RF Gelgoog?"
"No, this madman is in an original."
"Stay away then."
"Why? He's piloting an antique."
"He's clearly crazy and has massive balls, do not engage."
"Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well"
I can suggest looking up the Gelgoog's post-OYW successors, aside from the more known MS-14J ReGelg:
-MS-14J.zm Gelgoog III, from Advance of Zeta Reboot, a MS from Zeon Mars.
-OMS-14RF RF Gelgoog, from the Formula Wars 0122 SNES game, also made by Mars bound Zeon Remnants who were referred to as the Oldsmobile army.
-OMS-14SRF RG Gelgoog Charles Rochester Custom, basically a custom commander version of the above, beam shield included!
Gelgoog supporters rise!
Regelgu my favorite gelgoog
Gouf was zeon ultimate engineering right cmiiw
While I quite like the Zaku 4; there's reason why the Geara Doga stuck around longer in comparison. Especially as the flexibility even compared to a Zaku 4 with its optional equipment is notably higher.
id imagine cheaper as well, and probably does better under gravity, being lighter and can be lightened further with the Zulu
And doga develope in F01 later on also.
I really think you should reconsider some of these criterias, like comparing the "frame versatility" of a design that IRL has been around for less than 7 years (when the Moon Gundam manga first came out) versus one that has been around for... 36 years (CCA)? ... God I feel old.
Anyway, it's like comparing any new MS introduced in the last 5 years versus the OG Zaku II or GM, whose number of variants grows closer to 100... if not already surpassed that threshold.
The Zaku III began with barely 3 two variants, the vanilla AMX-011 and AMX-011S, but today we have a lot more, let alone the lineart only ideas for some alternative pitches of equipment (hover skirts, funnel containers, chest plugged mega launcher, etc.).
I'm also a bit skeptic of including model kit only variations, as cool as they might look. This is specially the case for variants that seem unlikely, which could basically include every ground use version of the Geara Doga, since there doesn't seem much pointing to Char having the resources to actually fund a second front requiring specialized machines. Also, didn't one of this also claimed that Char mass produced a ground version of the Sazabi, the MSN-04B and that he had like 80 units made? That definitely doesn't sound like something a resource strapped Newborn Zeon would do! the fact that the figure of 100 Geara Dogas is commonly thrown around also makes me question that they would try to come up with so many specialized variants for a machine produced in relatively low numbers.
Off the top of my head, some of Gihren Greed's games had Geara Dogas without backpacks, instead replaced with racks for carrying containers, for an Earth invasion in some scenarios, but at that point we are heading into the non-canon Gyan variants territory of the same series.
On the other hand, I'm saddened that you didn't mentioned the first generation of Oldsmobile MS, from the 1st Oldsmobile War in Mars from U.C. 0120. These are said to be for all practical purposes, Geara Doga internals with the exterior of OYW MS. The 2nd gen RF units introduced in the 2nd Oldsmobile War on Earth do seem to be new machines that dropped the disguise act in favor of better performance, and also used gundarium alloy.
Moving on, I think tactical use could be better presented as "logistics", and perhaps a separate entry for their role among their available MS, ships & other gear, where versatility could be included. I fully agree that the impression of Char's & later U.C. 0090s Neo Zeon movements is that they are in deep financial problems, and therefore the Geara Doga seems better suit their needs.
I do will say that with the increasing mentions & presence of Mars bound Zeon forces, the Zaku IV might end up being a better match for them. Mobile Monthly Machine vol. 06 (the one about the RF Kampfer) indicates that the production capabilities of the martian Zeon forces match those of Luna II, saying that they ended up producing around 500 RF machines. Furthermore, Advance of Zeta Reboot seems to indicate that these guys were the ones providing a large volume of MS to Haman's Axis/Neo Zeon, including a large batch of AMX-014R Reben Wolves meant to supplement her forces, which they ultimately had to ship back to Mars due to the civil war at Side 3.
They also took the Zaku III and modified it into the AMX-011G or AMX-011RG, which gave it a more Zaku II like green color scheme and a beam gatling gun, a decision seemingly meant to mimic the MS-06's trademark 120mm machine gun. The AMX-009G Dom III got a similar treatment. Point is, they seem to have more resources and better logistics than Char's Neo Zeon & direct successors, which later have to adopt the Geara Zulu, which is seems to hardly be considered an upgrade over the Geara Doga (in some ways even seen as a downgrade).
The whole projection thing sounds highly speculative, and for starters I can't remember anyone confusing a Geara Doga with a Zaku. Also, I'm confused by your idea that being related to the Zaku II is good, despite the Principality of Zeon losing the war against the EF, while the Zaku III connection is bad, when Haman's Neo Zeon technically did defeat the EF, whom accepted to surrender Side 3, with her defeat being the result of the civil war that devastated Neo Zeon and left them in shape to oppose the EF fleet that arrived after the fact, with no actual fighting taking place by that point between Zeon and EF forces (Judau being one of the more anti-EF Gundam main characters out there).
That being said, I think the real problem of the Zaku III connection is that the machine was simply not very common at the time: I'm pretty sure we see less than 10 units throughout the entire series, with only Raman's and Mashymre's units having any relevant role, the rest barely amounting to more than minor cameos. Didn't help matters that the Doven Wolf stole the spotlight as a better mass production model, and whose Reben Wolf variant got a more Zaku like appearance. The Gaza G makes more sense in such scenario, given the huge amount of Gaza Cs throughout of Z (between 250-300 units at the time) & ZZ, with the Gaza D showing up in large numbers only by the end of ZZ (around the Cicero asteroid).
I'm still tempted to think that Vincent Gleissner's unit has its origins in Haman's Neo Zeon, between his partner using the AMX-018[HADES] with the previous numerical model number entry and its first appearance in U.C. 0090, 2 years before the AMX-116 Zaku IV that seems more evidently following the design philosophy of Haman's more resourceful Axis/Neo Zeon.
You know, this reminds me that Advance of Zeta Reboot actually solved in recent years the dilemma of who created the Hizack: the EF created on their own the RX-106 Prototype Hizack, which they would later use as the base machine for some specialized variants (RX-106E and RX-106M). The RX-106 was turned to Anaheim Electronics, who refined it into the YRMS-106 Hizack pre-prdocuiton type, which was the base model for the AE related Hizack variants. There's also AE's F71 G-Cannon, essentially a downgraded version of the SNRI's F70 Gundam Cannon that the SNRI sent to AE for mass production, and whose end result they'd didn't like.
Given that we are told that 10 or so commander machines of the Geara Doga exist, and the earliest one is of similar color to Rezin's commander unit, what if these 10 commander types are actually Axis/1st Neo Zeon made AMX-119 units (probably using gundarium gamma like most units in Haman forces at the time), some of which like the aforementioned examples were handed to AE for mass production, resulting in the AMS-119. The AMS-119S Geara Doga Kai could be seen as an attempt to produce additional units closer to the original spec (which is why the sue gundarium gamma), which in a twist of irony end up as Lehr Dogas, resembling the original base model, essentially going full circle, even meant to equip the parts of other 1st Neo Zeon MS. But I digress.
I think that the AMS-119 is fitting for Char's & his successors needs... and limitations, while the AMX-116 is the better machine, but a better fit for Haman's Neo Zeon and her Mars bound allies, whom seem to have contributed to the resourcefulness of her faction in no small part.
Therefore I would conclude that the Geara Doga is the better MP machine for Char & the Sleeves, while the Zaku IV would have been better for Haman, Mars bound Zeon forces... and basically anyone more resourceful than the first group.
I agree Im highly split over some of the comparisons like the hizack > gm 2 for the criteria
I’d personally say the gm 2 not having many variants is a testament to how good the base design is- like we see in Gundam seed with the concept of all-rounded suits like the zaku warrior, having a lot of variants means specialized warfare but also a need for additional equipment and modification for it to be ready for other combat situations. Essentially, a mobile suit that can be used in any situation without any changes would save materials and deployment time (ex the acguy’s agguguy and juaggu variants mean the acguy frame was versatile but also not that well rounded
Take Gundam seed for example. Even with all the differentiated striker packs, they all end with a one pack fit all (perfect, iwsp, ootori, noir) that doesn’t need to be swapped out to fit any combat situation
Regardless I feel that in the hizack scenario having more variants makes sense because it’s prototype was a test bed unit and thus variants make sense, but the gm ii being directly based on the gm means faster production and less wasted gm stock. I also feel that this shouldn’t have as much weight in decision making compared to factors like the psychology of zeonic suits and Anaheim’s production that defined the era at the time. In addition yes the hizack can use many weapons but the fact that the gm ii still had a massive advantage by using both a widely used beam rifle and sabers without generator strain in an era where beam weapons were the norm and yet this factor had little significance in the analysis shocked me
This system needs some kind of change to reflect the situation of the era the suits were used or something to weigh factors more reasonablu
Although I love the Zaku 4 I already knew the Geara Doga would win for it's more efficient and cost-effective frame.
No mention of the Jagd Doga as a Geara Doga variant? It's a direct descendant of the Geara Doga psycho test units, and the parts are interchangeable; Quess' unit was repaired with an arm and backpack from a Geara Doga.
I did actually mentioned the Jagd Doga, but through its direct predecessors the Bagwi Doga, Rote Doga and Geara Doga Psycommu Test Type. The Jagd is a synthesis of those three Doga variants and is thus more of a new extension of the Doga line that a Geara Doga mere "variants"
@@gundamfacts Plus, if we got by patching up MS with other parts, Ecole Du Ciel showed a Rick Dom getting a Zaku II arm to replace the one it lost, and let's not forget the infamous "Zeta Zaku". The Jagd Doga was most likely repaired with the Geara Doga parts because it was likely what was most readily available in U.C. 0093 for Char's Neo Zeon remnants. If it had been damaged in U.C. 0096, perhaps it would have been repaired with Geara Zulu parts instead.
I agree with everyone
He forgot to mention the Pschyo Doga though
It's literally just Beltorchika Children's AU version of the Jagd Doga. It's an alternative version that sped up the HI Nu creation in that particular story, nothing more
I'm on Geara Doga team, it is undeniable that Geara Doga had strong influence in UC 100s tech, primarily on Mars Zeon MS tech such as the RF Series. Also overall design of Geara Doga is universal that even the EFF used it as Agressor Unit to train it's future pilot in a relatively peaceful time.
the Doven wolf is the best, hands down. It should had been used as the mass production mobile suits since its creation. Just its generator, the weapons and the fact that it was biuld specifically to b mass produced should had been enought to be used for years in the future
Once you can power a beam rifle for a decent number of shots, and move your limbs fast enough, extra generator power doesn't mean much unless you're going to mount an Ifield.
Annnd that’s why they were quick victims of the Gundams.
Have to disagree:
The AMX-101 Gallus J's unusually high power output, which normally doesn't seem useful for nothing, was apparently meant to power its beam magnum like beam rifle, when it was conceived to operate as the Unicorn's weapon, but it seems the staff got cold feet and later made the awkward choice of just saying that it was a beam rifle with missiles (which is redundant considering the Gallus J has missiles as fixed weapon).
Similarly, the Zaku III lineart showed the option to plug a mega launcher below the right side of its upper torso, in a similar fashion as a Gaza C. Such weapon actually gives the claim that the Zaku III competed with a 4th gen machine like the Doven Wolf a leg to stand on, since such weapon was one of the supposed requirements to even be considered for the classification (as per Entertainment Bible).
But let's consider a more simple example: the Gaza D and Gawomn. The later could be seen as a more advanced version of the former, but it has a lower generator output. The key difference between their weapons is that the Gaza D's hyper knuckle buster is linked directly to the MS generator's, while the Gazowmn's weapon is an e-cap version. There are pros & cons of each approach, like the generator linked weapon essentially never running out of ammo, but on the other it's fixed in place, making aiming with it a bit awkward. It's also said that the Gazowmn's version has lower power output, but higher firing rate.
But perhaps the most infamous example is the Hizack, whose reactor output of 1,428kW is almost comically just barely below the necessary to operate two beam weapons at once, as suggested by the Hizack Custom whose 1,480kW reactor do allows it to use, not just two beam weapons at once, but one being a souped up sniper beam rifle. Every bit counts!
Zaku IV is higher spec, but Geara Doga is cheaper and more economical while still having reasonably good performance.
Wow two videos in under a month amazing!
There was a Zaku IV?
Yes it appears in the Moon Gundam manga
@@epyonmetal7208 Amd I think Twilight axis
@DIEGhostfish No bro, the one on Twilight Axis is Zaku III intended for Char Aznable use, not Zaku IV since the 4th Zaku is Moon Gundam exclusive unit.
Yes, just read Moon Gundam there was a Zaku IV in 0091-0092 before fully replaced by Gear Doga
@@joejunior5991 Are they so short on pilots and rich on machines they can afford to totally replace *anything?*
if i had to chose another video like this, i'd have to ask for the GM Custom VS The GM Quel.
Aside from wanting more info on how they're different, the GM Custom just seemed like the better Mass Production machine. Sure it was more expensive, but it's not like they NEEDED all that man power. And by the time they did, they werent using the Quel anyways.
I once wanted to do a G-line VS GM Custom video
@@gundamfacts How about a G-Line vs GM II, or a RGM-87 BR-GM vs GM III?
I have wondered if the supposed division between AMX-000 series and AMX-100 series development teams meant that some of their designs overlapped role-wise or even competed between them. Like Zaku III vs Gallus J (general use) , or Gazomwn vs Zssa (bombardment type).
The original plot point of using an amphibious invasion do apparently considered the amphibious variants of the Gaza and Gazowmn early on, which were finally depicted in AoZ Reboot. The Capule would have been seen as a rival design in such context.
And this actually makes me raise the question: wouldn't this mean that the AMX-011 Zaku II and AMX-116 Zaku IV were made by different teams? Could they actually be rival designs?
It also suggests that the same team that made the Zaku IV made the AMS-119 Geara Doga, at least assuming that the model number was just slightly altered from an initial AMX-119.
I know its late but honestly if i was a neo zeon remnant commander i would choose the zaku IV over the gear doga anyday to issue to my troops however the hope for the zaku IV every really being mass-produced died with axis so the chances of me getting my hands on any would slim to none so i would likely beforced to use the geara doga.
Huh, I need to re-evaluate bow Ive balanced the Zaku IV in comparison to the Geara Doga. Great video!
Geara Doga always seemed more dynamic to me when compared to the old Zaku model or even the Doms. Just like jegans in relation to GM III.
Excellent job. Tend to lean towards the gera Zulu ❤😂
7:43 I think weight may or may not be a factor depending on the location where they used
in gravity (on earth or colony inner surface) maybe a factor, but in zero gravity every functions won't be hindered so I guess the one with higher output may be better than the other
how about Dopp vs Tin-Cod, Fly Manta, Saberfish, and Flyarrow?
Development history on the f90 gundm project
Your awesome dude and awesome video be safe out there big fan of gundam
Instant like
I have to admit the Gaera Doga is a pretty sweet grunt suit.
How come the Gelgoog model was not used as the main base for the mass production line?
I always enjoy your comparison videos. I do hope one day you can talk about Mars Zeon
Eventually we will come to that
I don't suppose you could make a video about the MS-11R Zaku Machinery from Walpurgis?
The best way to start the weekend.
Putting the Geara's head on Lenin when Casval is basically the son of Space Lenin is a good choice.
You mean space nazis
What a very odd and strange comparison to make as the basis for a video.
Nah everyone knows what the best Mass production Mobile Suit of all times is “Geara Zulu”.
P.s. like your explaining video by the way
2:32 To me, the 'Geara Doga' looks like an improved and more streamlined 'ZAKU FZ KAI' on steroids. It just feels like its descendant.
EDIT: Which is AWESOME!
I love these videos and hope you keep doing this series, however I do have a request for the editor (that will make your life harder, sorry haha).
Would it be possible to put the source for whatever is on-screen at the time in the top left or top right (or wherever you think best)? I'd love to see it for all images/frames of the video which of course is allot of work, but at the least for the official tv shows/movies/video games it would be nice to see where the videos are from.
Just a suggestion!
I would love to but sadly it isn't possible. I'm basically running the channel on my own, which mean I do everything from research, sometimes translations, scripting, recording and finally editing. If I had to quote every panel I would get an additional layer of work that I simply can't afford for my mental health.
@@gundamfacts what about a list in the description? Not broken down scene-by-scene, just "in this video you see anime clips and manga panels from: moon gundam, CCA, Hathaway,....". That would give curious viewers a place to start, at least.
GP01 FB or GPO04 from 0083 VS Gundam MK II or Hyakushiki
Not a bad idea
comparing zaku iv to a geara doga is basicly like comparing a normal jegan to a gustav karl
well, to the credits ... zaku iv seems streamlined the zaku iii design and make it less complicated yet still way more powerfull than the predessor.
21:01 Those models of Luna 2 and Axis are way out of scale, Luna2 is about ten times the size of Axis at least.
considering we are talking Mass production types shouldn't cost come into consideration somewhere... I mean a mass production suit is great but what if you can't afford it?
Where can I find that "merry christmas" picture you used late in the video?
Never liked the Zaku 3 and 4(I do believe it peaked at 2) on the other hand, the Geara Doga is so cool in design, plenty of mods and accessories, plus is a great MS in GBO2🤷♂️
Totally agree
@gundam facts Can you evaluate the Geara Zulu?
Also counter point on being Anaheim produced being better. The sleeves probably would of appreciated the geara doga being produced in house.
What if survived Zaku IV was brought to Mars and eventually became RF Zaku?
Unlikely since the Geara Doga is the known basis for the RG series
I’m only 12:00 in, and I’m gonna guess the Geara Doga will be the winner
What's that gouf looking mobile suit in the geara doga's development tree? Trying to look it up but I can't find it.
Called the Doga. Supposedly one of the Geara predecessors and a sort of modern Gouf based on the Gallus series (according to Kondo)
Accounting to Gundam Battle Operation 2, it’s the Zaku .
More fire power.
We should have more galbady line
Should have been the Geara Doga vs the Jegan, or am I tripping?
Yeah, Im sticking to my thicc spikey speedster Zaku III. The IP Zaku IV is cool, but the regular Zaku IV doesn't do it for me.
Geara Zulu VS Zaku IV would have been a better comparison. Geara Doga is kind of old.
I mean they both coexisted on the lore while the Zulu and IV didn't
6:19 Which Gazas are those too?
Gaza G
The best is the original zaku 2 with a strong pimp hand
I'd still pilot a Zaku 4 lol
Geara Doga had more versatility, mobility and less costly over the bulky and cumbersome Zaku IV and while Zaku IV is had more Power it's is more difficult to piloting it especially when Geara Doga is more easier to control with better weapon and cut cost more than Zaku IV
Even going by the unofficial mention that Gundam Facts said in the video, the Zaku IV appears to be twice as mobile as the Geara Doga (1G vs 2G), which makes sense, given that the Zaku III was one of the fastest MS of its time, not to mention that machines made with gundarium (Zaku IV) tend to be lighter than those sign older titanium/ceramic composite armor (Geara Doga). Also, bulk doesn't matter as long as you have enough thrust to overcome the issue, which is the case of the Zaku IV.
Cost is relative to your available resources: Haman's Neo Zeon and the Mars bound Zeon forces seems to have plenty of resources, which allowed them to mass produce machines made with gundarium, at a point the EF began cutting down on it, first limiting the gundarium armor to the GM III's cockpit and outright committing its sue for the Jegan. The Zeon movements of the 90s do were strapped for resources, but on the other hand, a smaller organization like Mafty do could afford to have their mass produced MS, the Messer series, made with gundarium armor.
And I have huge problems with including some of these Geara Doga variants in the equation, not just because it makes little sense for Char's resources strapped faction to open another front on Earth that needs specialized forces, but the materials where most of these appear also indicates that Char's Neo Zeon mass produced 89 MSN-04B Sazabi types for ground combat, which were almost identical to Char's unit (minus the psycommu & related weapons), including overall performance and gundarium armor.
Pick "resource strapped faction in need of cheap MS" or "rich enough to mass produce the Sazabi", but please don't come claiming both things at once!
Is there anything at all suggesting that the Geara Doga is easier to control? If we go back to the OYW, the heavily armored Rick Dom was considered a better machine for Zeon rookie pilots, since not only the armor gave them a better chance to survive and get better, but it had higher propellant capacity, which was an issue that rookies had with the MS-06F, in which they were prompt to run out of propellant mid-combat, due to wasting it in unnecessary movements.
Also, what better weapons? Unicorn indicates that other MS like the Geara Zulu and Zssa can use the same shield & weapons as the Geara Doga, similar to how the GM III can equip the shield with missiles of the Jegan, so that would hardly count as the Zaku IV should be capable of using it too. The higher reactor of the Zaku IV means it can equip weapons with higher energy demands than what the Geara Doga should be able to handle. The Zaku IV can simply swap its handheld weapon for a long range option, while the Geara Doga needs to swap its backpack as well.
It gets worse: Twilight Axis shows as Zaku III that was abandoned in Axis since the 1st Neo Zeon war already equipped with a Geara Doga beam machine gun (namely Rezin's model), which means that such weapon was actually designed by the creators of the Zaku III by U.C. 0089.
Lastly, even the idea that the Geara Doga's low cost makes it a better choice for a cash strapped Newborn Zeon is questionable, since in the wikia profile of the Zaku IV it says that: "Mass-produced components are used extensively in the basic unit and equipment loadout to minimize manufacturing costs given Newborn's Neo Zeon's limited resources". This means that the Zaku IV do has taken into account Char's Neo Zeon's financial situation, rather than just being a shelved/leftover design made at the time of Haman's more resourceful Neo Zeon.
@ZeonicFenrir problem is that the wikia mentions something wrong. The Zaku IV was never in the hands of Newborn Neo Zeon, ever. The Krangel Faction who fields them are literally a secluded extremist cell that directly oppose Newborn Neo Zeon (Luce Krangel wants to use Mineva to boster his claim against Char), and their Zakus IV (the only ones around) were either manufactured by Axis or inside the Gwasha. The Moon Gundam complement material mentions that the Zaku IV tries to be more versatile, more easy to pilot by a large panel of pilots and take production costs in consideration, but not that it is because "Newborn Neo Zeon" ressources problems. Idk who wrote that page, but it's likely it is someone who didn't even read Moon and assumed the Zaku IV was used by Newborn Neo Zeon. The single direct connection between the Zaku IV and Newborn Neo Zeon is that Illia (who piloted the Commander Zaku IV) used to be part of Newborn Neo Zeon in UC90 (double fake), then was seen as part of the Krangel Faction in Moon. Either she defected or the author forgot, but the Zaku IV IS NOT a Newborn Neo Zeon mech
@@gundamfacts If that's the case, I'm not sure what's the point of comparing the Geara Doga and Zaku IV at all, since they are then used by two factions with a very different amount of resources available. Basically for every group that isn't strapped for resources, the Zaku IV is the better choice, period.
Simple, they both claim the title for the "Zaku IV". The point of the video is for a person like Luce or Char, someone who wants to become the leader of the second Neo Zeon to make a choice. Char went for the Doga, Luce for the Zaku IV, but in the end they both vied to claim each other followers and generalize their choice. The Krangel Faction is also a bit low on ressources (even if Luce is dirty rich and the Gwasha has a sort of manufacturing plant), yet they went for the Zaku IV, so they faced a situation similar to their Newborn Neo Zeon cousins (which might explain why the bulk of their forces are in the end Gaza Gs)
@@gundamfacts Do they? Or rather, does the Geara Doga does?
I honestly can't remember any in-universe instance of someone referring to the Geara Doga as a Zaku or Zaku type (despite the obvious intent behind its design), but its situation doesn't seem much different than the Marasai (also made by AE) or even the Gelgoog, machines derived from the Zaku, but ultimately their own separate line of machines.
On the other hand, off the top of my head I recall that Asuna (from Ecole Du Ciel) do refers to the Hizacks she fights as "Fed Zakus".
IIRC, with the release of 0083, supposedly the Hizack was also partially the result of the EF wanting to use the MS-06F2 for themselves, but the destruction of its production lines in Granada were an obstacle for that, so they basically made their own version of it.
On the other hand, the MS-06FZ variant in particular do has more in common with the Geara Doga (though the former's scarcity makes this connection less obvious).
Case in point, there's even an image from MS Era showing the jovian energy fleet, escorted by MS-06FZ units using what looks like the Geara Doga backpack. Not to mention their shared trait of having an ammo rack on the waist.
The Geara Doga would fit better the role of a MS-06FZ2 Zaku Kai II.
While AoZ does focus on a clear schism between the MS that each faction prefers, on the Earth Sphere we don't see much of that:
-Eye Zack (up to 5 gray colored units deployed by Mashymre's Endra II).
-Several Zaku Mariners.
-A few Dwadges at Dakar
-A dozen or so Schuzrum Dias (sold by AE to the Republic of Zeon).
-The couple of green Marasais from Unicorn.
-During the civil war at Side 3 we see several Titans machines, mainly Hizacks, Marasais and oddly even an Asshimar in space.
While the later could still be piloted by Titans, given that both Zeon factions field such MS, perhaps they are simply captured units.
The alternative is that we have pro-Glemy Titan remnants and pro-Haman Titan remnants. Definitely prefer ReZeon simply absorbing all Titans remnants (which could have potentially included the original pilots of the aforementioned units). But I digress.
Above all, there's the Geara Zulu, a machine that proves that building a modern MS that closely resembles Zeon's iconic MS-06F is possible... even if it's performance leaves a bit to be desired (almost feels like the middle step towards the OMS-06RF).
If the intent was for the Geara Doga to be a Zaku IV, whether IRL or in-universe, I don't think that goal was achieved. Perhaps if 0080 had actually retconned its designs into the standard variants (specially a MS-06FZ with AMS-119 backpack), then that would have made the Geara Doga a return to form (in this case to the Zaku Kai), and there could be a point to be made.
The Zaku IV (due to its name), the Geara Zulu (due to its shape) and naturally the RF Zaku all make a better case for being considered successors to the Zaku II than the Geara Doga does. Plus, nowadays the AMX-011G makes a better link between the MS-06F and AMX-116. The Geara Doga feels more on the Marasai and Gelgoog category, with even the Hizack making a better case (and seemingly succeeding based on Asuna's reaction).
i’m with my husband’s selection because it the name has my husband’s heritage the GEARA ZULU
Nether. Kampher for ever!
Zaku 4 looks better but I do prefer the look of the lower legs and head of the gera doga
Marsi vs nemo
Not to mention the geara doga was much easier to pilot
I team Dogga becouse Zaku 3 and 4 are ugly.
I like the Zaku 3 and to a lesser extent, 4 a lot. Certainly better than thr Deisse.
At that time zaku already to old, it was like compare a f15 to f35, so much historical fight and precious data zaku get to all zeon ms, but zaku already at the later cycle life like f15 theres nothing could be added beside some minor thing, at the other side there geara whose born from another breaktrough Tech psychomu so the development of the ms already took a diff route, like f15 and f35 why the USA just doesnt Made a f15 that had a fully Stealth tech, why they choose to built f22 and f35, cuz the f15 just couldnt be upgrade anymore
そこはギラ・ドーガでしょ
I think I would take Geara Doga, Zaku IV is too overengineered.
old zeon ms are the best SIEG ZEON!!!
why do you speak weird?
why you sound like that russian guy AmericanHacker channel?
I can't even be French anymore it seems
@gundam_facts I was late this time 😢
The intention is what count