Should have been a Pro 4x for the review. I paid 47k for a loaded Pro4x. The same Tacoma Sport I drove was not equally equipped and was north of 56k. The interior of the Pro4x "wiped the floor " against the plastic Taco. Fit and finish was way better in the Nissan. Nissan 6 and Mecedes engineered 9 speed transmission blow that Taco's 8 speed.
@@justaviewer111 I love hearing everyone second guess Toyota. They sold 486627 vehicles in the first three months of the year, 565098 if you include Lexus. Tacoma led the mid sized truck segment in sales even though they had a Tacoma plant down for 19 days. But everyone knows better than they do. If you are going to drive it till the wheels fall off then buy something cheaper. If you ever plan to trade, Toyota is a better choice. There is a reason millionaires drive Toyota/Lexus more than any other brand.
@@planoman0935Toyota hasn't made anything new in basically 20 years, they forgot how to design engines. Hence why they use a Subaru and bmw engine in their models. They used to be great but the issues of the new tundra speak for itself that it's not the same company anymore
Normally I wouldn't take a Nissan over about anything else ... I call them the "Dodge of the Asian car world." However, with the ball clearly dropped by Toyota on the Tundra and especially the new Tacoma, that Nissan is actually on the table!!
Folks, completely biased opinions here, NOT "facts." I compared both last night side by side, and Tacoma does NOT "wipe the floor" of the Frontier interior at all. Unless, of course, having a big intrusive touch screen is your criteria for this. Also, its total bs that buyers are liking the Tacoma so much more. Ive seen MANY videos and read the comments, and MANY Taco loyalists are SO turned off by the new one that they bought Frontiers and LOVE them. Please do some real research before broadcasting fan opinions as "facts "
@@justaviewer111 Biases, brand loyalty, and traditions are powerful things in the human psyche. As I looked up close at all the colliding body lines of the Taco, I kept going back to the Frontier to rest my eyes on the rugged simplicity of it. I'm just too analytical, and it drives me nuts when people broadcast their personal opinion as "facts" without tangible evidence.
How is an unproven, stressed new turbo 4 judged to be likely more reliable than a proven Nissan platform that's been proven up to a million miles on the TFL truck channel? This crap that king Toyota is always "the reliable one" gets REALLY old. Why not survey those who know? Myself and my father have worked Nissan trucks very hard since the 520 model, and they are as reliable as any Toyota. Ive had both brands and am qualified.
I own my third Tacoma and they have all been great, However with the price of the new Tacoma and the lack of fit and finish, my next truck will be a Nissan!
@@donaldstogner9518 it's amazing how many Toy customers are going this direction. Big T must have really ticked off a lot of people ! One guy said it's like Nissan looked at each flaw of the older Tacoma and addressed each one with the Frontier to give customers what they were looking for. Meanwhile, Toyota abandoned their normal formula and decided to give their customers shock therapy. I compared them last night at the dealers, and that Tacoma is just a wild body design, with so many lines it tired my eyes to look at it. Frontier flows much nicer to my eyes. It will probably age better, like my 1987 Hardbody that was bold yet simple and now is kind of a classic.
@@xXlURMOMlXx Just typing the word "lol" does nothing to change the truth. The basic chassis of the Frontier has been very durable for many years now, unlike the rust-o-matic, unboxed Tacoma frames we had for so long. Instead of just using a childish 'lol," why not do actual research? Start by watching the Million Mile Frontier video on the TFL truck channel.
Tacoma price is out of reach for many, Nissan selling Frontier near invoice soon according to another You Tuber. If you don't want to pay ridiculous high Tacoma price take a chance on Frontier for short term.
Nissan used to be considered, if somewhat tongue-in-cheek, the BMW of Japan or the “poor man’s BMW.” They always trailed Toyota in attention to detail and overall quality but they made some great looking, durable, fun to drive cars that were much more interesting than the Toyotas they directly competed with, for the most part. Those days are long gone. It was painful watching them compete as an also-ran for the last couple decades, but they seem to be making some pretty decent vehicles again; not top tier, but a decent alternative to Toyota and Honda. They still have a way to go to reclaim their once held “status” but i still have a soft spot for them and hope they can pull off a comeback story. That said, just because the new Tacoma missed the mark doesn’t really make the Frontier a great truck. It’s an okay truck, nothing more. I hope Toyota learns from their mistakes or they will be another Nissan story in the coming years.
I truly doubt that 4cyl turbo will last as long as before..... I think toyota reliability is a thing of the past. ppl getting paid dirt cheap wont give a Fok if that bolt/nut is tighten down correctly etc. ...the carpet/etc. will cover it and it'll still 'work'.......lazy cheaply builds ...hence the 'gaps'
Interesting how NO ONE remembers the "reliability " of those thousands of Tacoma frames that rusted away, sometimes completely in half. Toyota amnesia is a real disease. Nissan NEVER had such a horrible problem in over 60 years of truck building .
If I wanted a midsize truck, I want something that acts like a midsize truck. Not a turbo 4 banger sedan that breaks when climbing an icy mole hill (TFL video if you haven't seen it) I'll stick with the Nissan.
The 4 cylinder turbo is coming to the frontier. The 2025 Infiniti QX80 will have a 3.5 twin turbo 450hp. The next armada and titan will have that motor. The frontier will probably have a 3.0L turbo or twin turbo from the last gen Q60 "non redsport".
@planoman0935 Just saying lol. I'm actually quite excited about the 3.5L twin turbo for the Titan and the Armada. I have a 2021 Armada Platinum with the 400hp. It's a smooth V8.
great reset..........everything will be downgraded (to suck) / unobtainable.........its funny watching ppl wonder why giant global corporations are willing to shoot themselves in the foot lmao..........
hold up on that long term reliability on the 4 cyl turbo........we don't know that yet..;;;;tacoma made a big mistake in my opinion....I will stick with my 2012 trd sport 4.0L 6 cyl long bed that I bought new for 35,500 out the door...132K on it now and not one bit of trouble...EVER. i will stick with it for 100 more miles......tacos are stacking up at the dealers lots.....first quarter sales down by 60 percent.....we want 6 cyl not 4 cyl turbo or hybrid, and way to expensive
What are you smoking? The new tacoma is a fraud, I have 23 trd pro, and i was seriously considerting the nissan with better transmission, but i still got the V6 in my Tacoma, new Taco is just a fake truck for children , with nice Ipad, subscription, and an engine for 100K. Reliability? Resale value? Are you kidding ,their sales are down 60% , the price is recidivous . The only ones who are buying Tacoma over Nissan are the fanboys , there is no single objective reason getting it over Frontier.
Disagree with your opinion. The new Tacoma is overpriced. The Tundra's turbo engine is proven to be problematic so I'm not 100% confident of this new Mexican truck with a 4cy turbo engine. Panel gaps are horrendous, which is indicative of subpar manufacturing quality. The new 2024 Toyota will be less reliable that the 2023 Tacoma I think. Time will tell. I'd pick the Nissan in 2024 and the Toyota if we were still in 2023.
Good video. I test drove a 2023 Frontier before I got my 2023 Tacoma Off Road and now have a 2024 Off Road. For me, it is Tacoma in looks, performance and resale value.
How does the Taco outperform the Frontier with less power and a gearhunter transmission? Did you know that Frontier just passed Tacoma in resale according to JD Power?
@@jeanclaude7018 talking about the 2024 performace. The Frontier has low torque at high RPM and the Taco had high torque at low RPM so quicker off the line. also KBB disagrees and KBB is used by banks and dealers for trade in values.
@@planoman0935 I was questioning why you picked 23 Toyota over Nissan when it had weaker performance in most every category of driving. The 24 of course makes more torque with the power adder, but what about longevity? You may afford a new truck each year judging by your comments, but some of us aren't loaded like that and keep a rig a long time. New Tundra turbos are STILL melting $30,000 engines, which is what a whole truck should cost. New Tacoma might do the same. It's interesting how nearly 300 lb ft ot torque is suddenly considered "low torque " for a smaller truck now that the turbo craze is here. My old Hardbody has a whole 134 lbs of torque, and it just lugged 3 loads of manure at a full ton each up a good grade to my house. How much torque do you REALLY need, and at what cost to long life? Can that turbo put out that kind of torque on a continuous duty cycle, or is it bragging rights for marketing?
@@jeanclaude7018 ahh I knew I would be trading my son's 2019 SR5 and giving him the 2023 off road when I got my 2024 eventually. We both test drove both and he picked the Tacoma again. A few key things- the milage was not that great based on the 8 or 9 speed transmission and I was surprised. Also aftermarket goes to 3rd gen Tacoma. probably had enough torque but I knew I could get the tacoma tuned easily and I did. My 2023 with v6 will chrip the tires from a stop. I devoured everything from Sheldon Brown and think they beefed up this turbo on an engine designed as a turbo not a NA with a turbo added. I won't keep it more than 5 years which is the powertrain warranty. Also the 2023 Frontier was a Pro 4X and loaded and it was $36500 with only 8000 miles on it. It was practically new. I just didn't think it was holding it's value as well as a Tacoma.
Should have been a Pro 4x for the review. I paid 47k for a loaded Pro4x. The same Tacoma Sport I drove was not equally equipped and was north of 56k. The interior of the Pro4x "wiped the floor " against the plastic Taco. Fit and finish was way better in the Nissan. Nissan 6 and Mecedes engineered 9 speed transmission blow that Taco's 8 speed.
Slow down, the reliability and resell value are based on the previous model with a naturally aspirated engine, not this turbo 4-banger.
True but at the same time history always repeats.
@@RudyCars And real estate never goes down in value! Do more research and you'll start to see that Toyota missed the mark with the 24 Taco.
@@justaviewer111 I love hearing everyone second guess Toyota. They sold 486627 vehicles in the first three months of the year, 565098 if you include Lexus. Tacoma led the mid sized truck segment in sales even though they had a Tacoma plant down for 19 days. But everyone knows better than they do. If you are going to drive it till the wheels fall off then buy something cheaper. If you ever plan to trade, Toyota is a better choice. There is a reason millionaires drive Toyota/Lexus more than any other brand.
@@RudyCarshave you not seen the reliability problems the new tundras have? Some people on their 3rd engine before 50k miles
@@planoman0935Toyota hasn't made anything new in basically 20 years, they forgot how to design engines. Hence why they use a Subaru and bmw engine in their models. They used to be great but the issues of the new tundra speak for itself that it's not the same company anymore
Just stop with the Toyota reliability stick 😂 that ended yrs ago
Not according to KBB which calculates resale values...and has for 20+ years
@@planoman0935 Those are based on the previous model, not this turbo 4-banger.
@@planoman0935 you believing in that is also funny 🤣
@@crisikingful Yep, I laughed all the way to the bank when it was spot on when I traded in my 2019 Tacoma in February! 🤣
@@planoman0935 yeah that's called popularity in marketing not reliability 🙄 let me give you JD power awards as well
Nissan is gold with that v6 NA.
Normally I wouldn't take a Nissan over about anything else ... I call them the "Dodge of the Asian car world." However, with the ball clearly dropped by Toyota on the Tundra and especially the new Tacoma, that Nissan is actually on the table!!
Nice feedback 🙏
Frontiers are one of the most reliable pickup in the world
Folks, completely biased opinions here, NOT "facts." I compared both last night side by side, and Tacoma does NOT "wipe the floor" of the Frontier interior at all. Unless, of course, having a big intrusive touch screen is your criteria for this.
Also, its total bs that buyers are liking the Tacoma so much more. Ive seen MANY videos and read the comments, and MANY Taco loyalists are SO turned off by the new one that they bought Frontiers and LOVE them.
Please do some real research before broadcasting fan opinions as "facts "
You're completely right. This video was the closest I've seen to ANYONE liking what Toyota has done here with the 24 Taco. It's a fail.
@@justaviewer111 Biases, brand loyalty, and traditions are powerful things in the human psyche.
As I looked up close at all the colliding body lines of the Taco, I kept going back to the Frontier to rest my eyes on the rugged simplicity of it.
I'm just too analytical, and it drives me nuts when people broadcast their personal opinion as "facts" without tangible evidence.
How is an unproven, stressed new turbo 4 judged to be likely more reliable than a proven Nissan platform that's been proven up to a million miles on the TFL truck channel?
This crap that king Toyota is always "the reliable one" gets REALLY old. Why not survey those who know? Myself and my father have worked Nissan trucks very hard since the 520 model, and they are as reliable as any Toyota. Ive had both brands and am qualified.
Frontier is already close to the top with reliability
I own my third Tacoma and they have all been great, However with the price of the new Tacoma and the lack of fit and finish, my next truck will be a Nissan!
@@donaldstogner9518 it's amazing how many Toy customers are going this direction. Big T must have really ticked off a lot of people ! One guy said it's like Nissan looked at each flaw of the older Tacoma and addressed each one with the Frontier to give customers what they were looking for. Meanwhile, Toyota abandoned their normal formula and decided to give their customers shock therapy.
I compared them last night at the dealers, and that Tacoma is just a wild body design, with so many lines it tired my eyes to look at it. Frontier flows much nicer to my eyes. It will probably age better, like my 1987 Hardbody that was bold yet simple and now is kind of a classic.
Nissan? Proven platform? Lol
@@xXlURMOMlXx Just typing the word "lol" does nothing to change the truth. The basic chassis of the Frontier has been very durable for many years now, unlike the rust-o-matic, unboxed Tacoma frames we had for so long.
Instead of just using a childish 'lol," why not do actual research? Start by watching the Million Mile Frontier video on the TFL truck channel.
Nissan does have reliability issues with their cars, but their trucks are a whole nother story. I'd go with the Frontier on this one.
Tacoma price is out of reach for many, Nissan selling Frontier near invoice soon according to another You Tuber. If you don't want to pay ridiculous high Tacoma price take a chance on Frontier for short term.
I really like the fake vents on the Tacom.
Nissan used to be considered, if somewhat tongue-in-cheek, the BMW of Japan or the “poor man’s BMW.” They always trailed Toyota in attention to detail and overall quality but they made some great looking, durable, fun to drive cars that were much more interesting than the Toyotas they directly competed with, for the most part. Those days are long gone. It was painful watching them compete as an also-ran for the last couple decades, but they seem to be making some pretty decent vehicles again; not top tier, but a decent alternative to Toyota and Honda. They still have a way to go to reclaim their once held “status” but i still have a soft spot for them and hope they can pull off a comeback story. That said, just because the new Tacoma missed the mark doesn’t really make the Frontier a great truck. It’s an okay truck, nothing more. I hope Toyota learns from their mistakes or they will be another Nissan story in the coming years.
I truly doubt that 4cyl turbo will last as long as before..... I think toyota reliability is a thing of the past. ppl getting paid dirt cheap wont give a Fok if that bolt/nut is tighten down correctly etc. ...the carpet/etc. will cover it and it'll still 'work'.......lazy cheaply builds ...hence the 'gaps'
Didn't mention that ugly cab spoiler on the Tacoma and a lot higher price for the TRD over the Pro 4X
toyota is too much for too little. I am not a big fan of Nissan but between the two I am not spending what toyota wants for a midsize truck.
Interesting how NO ONE remembers the "reliability " of those thousands of Tacoma frames that rusted away, sometimes completely in half. Toyota amnesia is a real disease.
Nissan NEVER had such a horrible problem in over 60 years of truck building .
I used to hear people complain about the ride of Tacoma too and how bad it was.
@@justaviewer111 But Toyota is ALWAYS the best, say the diehard fans. I don't get it.
If I wanted a midsize truck, I want something that acts like a midsize truck. Not a turbo 4 banger sedan that breaks when climbing an icy mole hill (TFL video if you haven't seen it)
I'll stick with the Nissan.
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24 Tacoma all day.
Nissan V-6. I still drive my 2002 Nissan Xterra which has a bulletproof V-6.
Turbos are garbage and are underpowered for a truck.
Xterras are awesome
not with turbo will wear that little engine out
thats will sink the resale value and Tacoma sales drop much as 60%
The 4 cylinder turbo is coming to the frontier. The 2025 Infiniti QX80 will have a 3.5 twin turbo 450hp. The next armada and titan will have that motor. The frontier will probably have a 3.0L turbo or twin turbo from the last gen Q60 "non redsport".
Thanks for the feedback
You just made grown men cry...🤣
@planoman0935 Just saying lol. I'm actually quite excited about the 3.5L twin turbo for the Titan and the Armada. I have a 2021 Armada Platinum with the 400hp. It's a smooth V8.
great reset..........everything will be downgraded (to suck) / unobtainable.........its funny watching ppl wonder why giant global corporations are willing to shoot themselves in the foot lmao..........
Titan's are being discontinued this year
hold up on that long term reliability on the 4 cyl turbo........we don't know that yet..;;;;tacoma made a big mistake in my opinion....I will stick with my 2012 trd sport 4.0L 6 cyl long bed that I bought new for 35,500 out the door...132K on it now and not one bit of trouble...EVER. i will stick with it for 100 more miles......tacos are stacking up at the dealers lots.....first quarter sales down by 60 percent.....we want 6 cyl not 4 cyl turbo or hybrid, and way to expensive
What are you smoking? The new tacoma is a fraud, I have 23 trd pro, and i was seriously considerting the nissan with better transmission, but i still got the V6 in my Tacoma, new Taco is just a fake truck for children , with nice Ipad, subscription, and an engine for 100K. Reliability? Resale value? Are you kidding ,their sales are down 60% , the price is recidivous . The only ones who are buying Tacoma over Nissan are the fanboys , there is no single objective reason getting it over Frontier.
Disagree with your opinion. The new Tacoma is overpriced. The Tundra's turbo engine is proven to be problematic so I'm not 100% confident of this new Mexican truck with a 4cy turbo engine. Panel gaps are horrendous, which is indicative of subpar manufacturing quality. The new 2024 Toyota will be less reliable that the 2023 Tacoma I think. Time will tell. I'd pick the Nissan in 2024 and the Toyota if we were still in 2023.
Good video. I test drove a 2023 Frontier before I got my 2023 Tacoma Off Road and now have a 2024 Off Road. For me, it is Tacoma in looks, performance and resale value.
Good point 👍
How does the Taco outperform the Frontier with less power and a gearhunter transmission? Did you know that Frontier just passed Tacoma in resale according to JD Power?
@@jeanclaude7018 talking about the 2024 performace. The Frontier has low torque at high RPM and the Taco had high torque at low RPM so quicker off the line. also KBB disagrees and KBB is used by banks and dealers for trade in values.
@@planoman0935 I was questioning why you picked 23 Toyota over Nissan when it had weaker performance in most every category of driving.
The 24 of course makes more torque with the power adder, but what about longevity? You may afford a new truck each year judging by your comments, but some of us aren't loaded like that and keep a rig a long time. New Tundra turbos are STILL melting $30,000 engines, which is what a whole truck should cost. New Tacoma might do the same.
It's interesting how nearly 300 lb ft ot torque is suddenly considered "low torque " for a smaller truck now that the turbo craze is here. My old Hardbody has a whole 134 lbs of torque, and it just lugged 3 loads of manure at a full ton each up a good grade to my house. How much torque do you REALLY need, and at what cost to long life?
Can that turbo put out that kind of torque on a continuous duty cycle, or is it bragging rights for marketing?
@@jeanclaude7018 ahh I knew I would be trading my son's 2019 SR5 and giving him the 2023 off road when I got my 2024 eventually. We both test drove both and he picked the Tacoma again. A few key things- the milage was not that great based on the 8 or 9 speed transmission and I was surprised. Also aftermarket goes to 3rd gen Tacoma.
probably had enough torque but I knew I could get the tacoma tuned easily and I did. My 2023 with v6 will chrip the tires from a stop. I devoured everything from Sheldon Brown and think they beefed up this turbo on an engine designed as a turbo not a NA with a turbo added. I won't keep it more than 5 years which is the powertrain warranty. Also the 2023 Frontier was a Pro 4X and loaded and it was $36500 with only 8000 miles on it. It was practically new. I just didn't think it was holding it's value as well as a Tacoma.
turbo 4 blows