Rivarossi Berkshire 2-8-4, How To Disassemble, Clean, & Re-lube
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Vintage store find! How I cleaned and re-lubed this Classic Model from a early grave and got it running the rails once again.
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Thank you VERY MUCH for the super thanks!!! That is very kind of you Sir.
This video helped tremedously in repairing my Rivarossi 2-8-4. Thanks so much Ron !!!
You are welcome Mike
I have personal history with NKP 765. Grew up in Fort Wayne, Indiana where 765 sat on display for many years having been renumbered 767. I went to Wayne High School (class of ‘75) and one of my teachers, Walter Sassmanshausen, was instrumental in forming the Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society who took on the task of restoring 765 into running condition for excursions. In 1990, I have early VHS video of an excursion on 765 from Fort Wayne, to Peru, Indiana with my wife, 5 year old son, and my late Uncle. My Grandfather, Clement Meyer, was a brakeman for many years out of Fort Wayne and I’m trying to figure out if he worked for NKP ( and possibly with 765) or more likely the Pennsy. I currently live in northeast Tennessee and am planning my first layout to be based in part on the yard in Ft Wayne with Nickel Plate and Pennsylvania gear and also the “Tweetsie” ( ET&WNC) a locally important railroad. These videos have helped me immensely! Thanks so much!
Thank you for the great story. Pretty Cool your old teacher spent his time with the efforts to restore that loco. I would hate to have to spell out that long last name on everything for a lifetime though ;-). Good luck on the construction of your railroad empire. Dont spend to much time planning....spend more time doing :-)
My favorite steam engine is the Southern Crescent #4501, the last of its class, MS. It still runs on the Tennessee Valley Railroad. My wife & I are to soon take a ride on her. It's also my favorite HO scale engine. There's a picture of Johnny Cash waving out of the engineers window. The MS class was a 2-8-2 Mikado. I got a big lump of coal that I smash up with a hammer and use it to glue on top of the molded coal load. Adds some realism to the tender. Cheers from eastern TN
Southern Cresents are indeed good looking steamers
Beautiful loco. Nice restoration. You're out here single handedly preserving and restoring generations of locos. Keeping the hobby alive and keeping classics on the market for young and old.
Thank you but I'm not single handedly...its a large group effort :-)
I have a Rivarossi 4-8-4 Berkshire steam, locomotive as well, but in American RailRoad scheme! Love your two Shepherds, I’ve got two of my own!
Right on! Yup them Shepherds are pretty cool dogs
Really liked the sound effects you made when the motor was going to be put in the Jewelry cleaner. LOL
Am I spot on with the way it really sounds ;-)
Candace Bergen. On train between Chicago and Minneapolis as I type. Great video. As I do I have a Rivorossi Pacific I have yet to disresemble :)! Thanks Ron!
So lucky to be riding a train, I can even imagine... wish you had a UA-cam channel so you could take us all along for the journey.
@@classicmodeltrains train ride was interesting. Though the real fun began in Spokane. Death on the train 5 hour delay, which is understandable, but the and hour and a half later the engine broke down. We made it to Portland 13 hours late. A BSNF locomotive had to tow us part of way and the was bussed after that. Bucket list item, check. Do it again, nope.
Love it. There are wipers on the back of the drives too.
:-)
LOVE the sound effects, I mean the Thunder.
It rained like Old Testament stories here last night :-)
@@classicmodeltrains We'll be in the neighborhood sometime between July 29th to Aug ? (whenever we decide to drive home). Last conversation about the trip with wife, we'll most likely get a room somewhere in Billings and spend a night. A little too far from Hamilton to drive back and forth in one day, at least for us old folks.
Great job on the train. Also your layout is really coming along
Thank you! Hard to find time to work on the buildings for the layout.
Way cool Ron good show I Say!! I wish you was my neighbor! The mighty Burk!! Oh and thank you
Thanks! Yea It would be cool to have train Fellers as neighbors!!
Ron, That is a sweet Rivarossi Berkshire and I have 3 of them that were saved from the dumpster. I can't say enough about your work & video's..plus you are entertaining as all get out!! You are spot on about this locomotive and most of Rivarossi's DC Steam Fleet...they are noisy, grinders but pull like a Mule. Anyway keep going Bud and look forward to your next video. Thanks!!
Thank you for your kind words :-)
Such a nice, entertaining, and enhanced voice ya got there.
Thank you :)
Thanks Ron!
Thank you to Bruce!
As someone that is from Lima, the real NKP 779 resides in Lincoln Park in Lima, OH as a display along with a NKP wood caboose and a NKP Dynamometer car. NKP 779 was the last steam locomotive made by the Lima Locomotive Works, and it was preserved by the Allen County Museum as a static display. As far as preserved NKP Berks around, there are about six of them preserved with NKP 765 operating as mentioned by yourself. Also, I wanted to mention that anyone needs a replacement motor for Rivarossi steam locomotives to look up CV-Backshop (not affiliated with seller) for replacement motors. The motor kits will fit Rivarossi and Mantua locomotives along with some other manufactures. Also, as usual, another great video to watch.
PS: I agree with the one poster about the pronunciation of Lima. It's like the name of the bean, and the town has a mascot of a Lima Bean.
Thanks for that great info. Glad to hear there are 6 more cosmetically restored!! I've used CV-Backshops motors. I'm quite happy with them.
LIE-Ma....Got it :-)
I am a former born resident of Lima, Ohio myself attended Allen East high School was born in the same Hospital as my mom and my mom graduated from Lima Senior high My grandfather her dad worked at Westinghouse which was located right across the street from Lima Locomotive works my grandfather said they built the air pumps on the Berkshires and the Southern Pacific GS series of Locomotives including the 4449 SP Daylight that runs today This is another good video Ron !! I'll post the pics I have of NICKLE Plates 759 that is in Lincoln Park in Lima on your Facebook page !! I think it's from 2014, though, but, hey, that's only 10 years ago!! 😮
Cute. Very nice refurb, and ot loooks great. I've got a bunch or old Rivarossi C-16s and C-16As. Those old three pole motors are definitely not up to modern standards. However, I just did a pair of modules based on a Nickel Plate town for my club's modular setup, so I'll likely have to put in a bid.
Thanks for your kind words on my vid, and supporting the auction :-)
ALWAYS watch till the end
Thank you for being a 33 per center :-)
Ron when you go to work get some Trinity RC. Car electric motor cleaner. Spray it after the jewelry cleaner it'll dry up immediately and he won't hurt any. Thing. I used to own a hobby store.
Thanks for that good advice!!
Nice job on the restoration! I despise cleaning the decades old gunk out of Rivarossi gearboxes (I’ve had to do so about half a dozen times), but it’s totally worth it to hear those brass gears growl
Thank you! Yup them gear boxes are a bit noisy
Ron, Love your videos! Thanks to you I have a few of my old tycos up and running again!
Great to hear! Thank you :-)
the rivarossi locomotives have great detail but are to light,i have an 0-8-0 rivarossi steam loco that just cant seem to pull more than 5 cars,love the chanell Ron
Thank you John :-)
Nice restoration of that old Rivarossi. That detail on the back of the tender is not a handrail, it's an uncoupling lever.
It was going thru short stanchions. But I can see how it would look like a uncoupling lever.
Really nice video, great job Ron.
You inspired me to work on my old AHM & Tyco locomotives, taught me a thing or two. Thanks man…
Thanks....glad I could help out :-)
Twas a dark and stormy night... Thunder, lightning and squeaky doors! That sound crew you got sure knows how to make realistic sound effects! Berkshire's are pretty neat. I'm debating on getting Lionels Polar express Berkshire either in S or HO. Some day I will make it to Michigan to see the real 1225 engine as well as it's new partner the 175. The Steam Railroading Institute is rebuilding 175 which came from the railroad my grandfather worked for. Oh, Bergen. That sounds familiar, and wasn't her father famous too???
Glad to hear another steamer is being saved. I would get the Flionel "S". Seems more different than HO. everybody got a HO one :-) I hear her Pop's was a ventriloquist. Thanks for watching!!
GOOD JOB!!!!!
Thank you!
My all time favorite locomotive is the Nickel Plate Road 765. I was fortunate enough to see it up close and in person as it steamed into the TP&W yard late one evening. It was a sight to behold! Really enjoyed this video,as you went deep into the teardown,thanks again for all the good info.
That must have been AWESOME to see a live running Berk! Jealous now I am :-)
Great video as usual! It brings joy to see her back to working order!
Thank you very much!
Superb vid...
Thank you!
Nice work Ron. I always watch till the end to find out who the Classic Model is. Like your tunes.
Thank you Mark. Your one of my 33 per-centers :-)
good morning, a day late. another adventure in railroading Maintenace. stay well see you next time.
Greetings, Thanks for watching :-)
this is great stuff
Thanks Timothy!
Nicely done....I'm gonna have to try the jewelry cleaner trick myself...I was told that the wire mesh brush is a self cleaning feature of rivarossi motors...
Keep the great videos coming...
Rich...
Thanks Rich, Yup another Feller just mentioned why the wire brush.
dipping the motor into a liquid and it not shorting is pretty mindblowing. wow, wish i had this stuff where I live....good tips! something really different than all the others.
Glad to help
Early Candie Bergen.
Thanks for the notice on Riv using petroleum lube. As an admirer of Lancia, Fiat and Maserati it sounds about right. Damn shame. Their Hiawatha Baltic I passed up in 2004 for $75 hurts slightly less....what BUY IT NOW was $499.00 last night......oy!
One last thing: it's Kah-naw. MR had an article on it years back. Several WeeVees I've known confirmed. Make sense for the area. The New River is probably the oldest river in N. America so there ya go. 👍 Keep up the good work.
Thanks Mark, I'm always mispronouncing stuff :-)
Ron thanks for another great video my friend.
Thanks for watching. I have 4 loco's up for sale on the e-bay currently.
Great job Ron!! You did a fantastic ob n this invigorating it wife. Glad to see your model back in your video. Your beautiful model today is an early picture of Candice Bergen!
Thank you and you are correct :-)
Put it in a ultrasonic cleaner get the real hidden dirt out. We did that on our slot cars.
Yup I agree. Just showing Fellers how to clean them with out a ultrasonic cleaner. :-)
One thing to note, even though there are two currently operational, a third one is currently under restoration to operation with chances of more Berkshires being restored later
That is AWESOME news Dave!!! thanks for sharing :-)
I think the one your talking about the age of steam.Or the C&O one some where in Kentucky .With me being a train nut.I am in o gauge I have several.A lionel 736 mth train railking 3 berkshire 1 loinel tmcc and other a mth premire 765..
I have a Rivarossi Berkshire in the C&O Livery. Unfortunately the front is pretty mangled, all the front detail bits are missing besides the front lamps. i suspect from poor storage from the previous owner, also has a loose wheel that occasionally binds the mechanism, yeah my unit is in some serious need of rebuilding before it hits the rails again. I have it packed away with most of my collection now. Be a few months before i even take it out again, then i will go ahead and see what i can do to bring it back like this one. Most of my engines need parts donors when they break down, oh well the joy of being a display operator!
Cool Video
-KJP
Thanks Kevin. Sorry to hear all you stuff is packed up. Thats always frustrating
Ron, Great Job on getting her running again!
Thank you :-)
Thank you for sharing. I have always liked those Rivarossi steam engines👍
Your welcome & Thanks for watching and commenting!
Love the restoration work Ron. My lovely lady says " You watch Classic Model Train videos way too much." and my reply is always, No, no. I watch "Just a liitle less than too much". Another great vid.
Thanks! If you're watching just a little less than too much, then it's not an addiction problem. Any more than that, then it's time for "Model Trains Anonymous". He He :-D
The TH&B Berkshire was built in Canada 201 and 202 , I have two old Riverossi Hudson’s both work , one I converted to DCC , well built locomotives, great videos
I did not know Canada had a locomotive building company. Thanks for some great info :-)
Yes they did , had two
@@dundasjunctionmodelr.r-jam8267 Right on!!
@@classicmodeltrains yes they had a place in Montreal and London Ontario
i got that engine thanks for the info on cleaning
Glad to help out John :-)
@@classicmodeltrains running it in the cleaner is awesome gotta try that
You're very patient. I could never work on something smaller than O gauge. Great job!
Thanks!
I’ve never seen someone clean out a rivarossi motor with jewelry cleaner before but it’s an interesting idea that seems to work pretty well. Next time I get a rivarossi I’ll have to do that instead or spending an hour tearing down the motor or whenever I do maintenance on my rivarossi y6-b mallet. Great job as always and looking forwards to more videos.
Thanks for your kind words Sir!
Awesome Berkshire 2-8-4. Love those.
Thanks
Really cool Locomotive!
I’m gonna look around for one…probably make a bid on this one!
I’ve never done the bidding thing…may as well start out right!
Thanks Jeb!!
You can take those Rivarossi motors apart to clean the commutator, I've done it myself. Not the easiest things to get open though.
I agree, I just don't want to bend them metal tabs to open it up. Can only do it a few times then they break off.
Awesome job on the restoration!
Thank you very much!
Hi👋
Nice Video 👍👍👍
I have an Tip for you:
Try out some Orange Cleaner to Clean your Lokomotive. Only some Warm Water and a little bit of the 🍊 Cleaner. Put the Parts in and let it soak around 10 min . After that take a Brush and Clean the parts.
Wash it with clear Water an let it try.
Greetings from Germany
Sascha
Greetings from Montana, USA Sascha. Thank you for the good idea :-)
@@classicmodeltrains You can Put all parts in there. Only the Motor you have to Put in an different Cleaner 😉
This week's Classic Model is the lovely, (as long as she keeps her mouth shut), Candice Bergen. She's the daughter of Edgar Bergen the ventriloquist.
Yup. I liked her in Murphy Brown back in the day.
Back in the day, I part time/ filled in as a limo driver for a New York City upscale limo company that was part owned by a good friend of mine. Candice Bergen was one of my customers one night in the theater district. Trust me ,she had a " mouth on herself " that rivaled a GP-9 tooter.
Love your videos Ron, also... Why did I think the painters tray was a Egg holder? Lol
Thanks, that tray reminds me of dying Easter eggs back in the day :-)
i got the book how to fix all the ahm loco's that was made
WOW!! I didnt know one existed. Now I must go find one to own for myself. Thanks for that great heads up !!
Nice job as usual.
Thank you!
Just like the one I have I have that rivarossi ho scale Berkshire nickel plate road 779
Right on !!
Hey Ron put a screen on your drain and your sink😊
Great idea but sometimes I have some big chunks of something that needs to go away :-)
Wow, you do HO scale too? Amazing!!!
Yup! I'm a triple threat, sing, dance and work on H.O. :-)
Nice
Thanks
@@classicmodeltrains No problem love your videos
TY
:-)
Always enjoy seeing these old rivarossi locomotives being restored..turned out really well for a 40+ year old locomotive.... wouldn't mind seeing you go threw one of the redbox rivarossi engines, a bit more of a challenge...nice job..
I have a red box blue goose Hudson that will be coming up :-)
@@classicmodeltrains is it the version with the flywheel motor?
@@larmo5633 I’m not sure. Have not opened it up. It’s from the 90’s if that helps.
i love ur videos. and ur funny the way u make comments about losen screws ect when u say stuff like ‘’ ill take this screw out so i can lose it’’ lol
Thanks John! I try and keep it interesting :-)
Which Engine You looking for Next? keep those Engines Running.👍
I always look for older stuff that I have not worked on before. A constant search for sure :-)
We rode the 765 just last Saturday.
That must have been AWESOME!!! I'm officially jealous :-)
I rode their Whiskey/Cigar train last fall. Was a great ride!.
Woohoo! Another upload! Hope I can win one of em!
Thanks for supporting the channel Sir!!
Ron, LOVE your videos. However, having been born and raised just north of Lima, Ohio I need to let you in on a little secret. It is pronounced like lima beans...lIma...with a long 'I'...not like Lima, Peru...lEma. Definately going to bid on this though...it would mean a lot to be the winner. Do you have an N&W 611? I have two and may gift one to ya. Keep up the great videos...always watching out for them and love them so much! Blessings!!!
Lima? Lie-ma... Got it. It's amazing how the towns are pronounced different than one would think. Guess it's a good way for the locals to tell who's from out of town. I do not have a N&W 611. Streamlined 4-8-4? A Feller sent a S.P. 4454 daylight special by Bachmann (Lionel) but it has broken axles that are hard to find. Thanks for your kind words on my video's and supporting my channel :-)
That's 'S' gauge? American Flyer, A.C. Gilbert? Nice train!
Its a H.O. scale Hudson from Rivarossi
Great video. I bought yesterday one Berkshire that has clearly seen bettter days and I want to restore it. This video is going to be very useful. Thanks for sharing. By the way, cute dog. May I ask you for its name?
Thanks. Hope you get that old Berkshire running the rails real soon. I have 2 dogs running around here. Max & Oogy.
Every Riverossi steam loco I’ve come across has been noisy. The running gear has a tendency to bind, stick, or needed to be retimed, re-quartered. New or used. They are beautiful model trains, and eventually in the right hands do run nice, just expect more for the price point.
I agree with the noise but I guess I've been lucky and have not had bad or bend running gears (knock on wood) :-)
Just a update on the name It's pronounced ( Berk - Shear ) on the B&O.. through the Berkshire's
If it can be mispronounced I will do it. Thanks for the good info!!
@@classicmodeltrains lol most times me also..great Videos. Not only very informative, but very fun to watch. Thank you.
Why is the one motor brush is Copper screen?
it was to be self cleaning of the motors commutator !
Is that why they did that? Guess it works :-)
I did not think you could dip a motor in liquid like that. Could this be done with any motor, or does have to sealed?
None of these motors I have put into the jewelry cleaner are sealed. It works on small DC motors. I've only done a few this way and so far it's worked great :-)
And .my rivarossi Berkshire nickel plate road not.working too good now and it will start on my ho track. And. I try too fix it and it still working out to good
Well I hope this video will help you out getting it running again
I got a tender for one, but i lost the nut, and it didn't have the engine
Uh Oh!
Candice Bergen. Would a sonic vibrating cleaner filled with Walmart Jewelry Cleaner work for cleaning train parts?
That would be a killer combination for sure!!
WAT IS. the pupose of the thrust washers
It's kind of like a friction bushing or a replaceable wear surface on the end of the worm gear. When the worm gear is turning either forward or reverse it wants to be shoved out of the assembly from force being applied to it from the drive gear its turning. The bushings on the worm gear shaft of course hold the shaft in place, and the trust washers are in-between helping to keep the shaft in place and helping to reduce friction.
You wouldn't have an SP AC9 would you??????
I do not. Only articulated ones I have is the Big Boy and the Mallet. Also Now I'm not sure if its pronounced like that funny dance with people in tu-tu's "Ballet" or like a type of hammer "mallet". Perhaps I'll just use Y6a :-)
Pere-Marquette pronounced "PAIR MARKETTE" if you are interested?????
After reading this post I had to go back to the Google machine and do more research. I figured since it was named after that French Feller, and the Pere always has that weird extra apostrophe looking thing, I was supposed to make a "Pierre" sound. Well Sir I owe you a beer. Thank you for making me one more smarter by sharing this good information. Seems if there is something out there I can mispronounce I will do it :-)
The C & O's were "KA--NAWS" not KANAHWAS Don't feel bad no one gets the name right!!!
The Wikipedia page gave me the spelling. I cant argue because I'm not from that neck of the woods :-)
If your hearing was as good as your dogs' hearing, then you'd want to avoid listening to thunder, too....
Great point you have there Sir!
Berkshire is pronounced "Berk-shere"!
:-)
Always learn something, enjnoy your mannerisms, like beard and hair trims. RF
Thanks!