How To Remove That FN Pin
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2018
- Having trouble with that locking block pin in your FN 509 or FNS? You're not the only one. We've disassembled 50 or so FN pistols without a single issue, and here's how we did it. Use the right tools and follow Scott's instructions and you'll be able to correctly remove the forward locking block pin just like we have.
Grab the Apex tool for the FNS and 509. I just did the install and it went flawlessly. Also use the tool for the reassembly. I used it to completely re-install the pin as I didn't trust my skill to free hand the pin at all. Glad I did because it was TIGHT. I had to remove the tool a couple of times to see if the pin was flush but it was no issue. Polymer around the pin is perfect. You can't even tell it was removed.
This video helped me a lot instead on buying the jig. Be warned you do risk damaging your frame if you do this method. However, I followed Scotts instructions and tips. I easily got the pin out but putting it back in was a pain and I slightly damaged my frame behind the takedown lever. however the takedown lever hides the damage so it looks normal.
Watched this video this morning, gave it another shot. Cracked the frame as soon as the pin loosened and came out 1/4 inch on the exit side. I really hope you guys put something out warning people not to attempt this. I am now out over $1000 between the weapon and the trigger kit.
I guess there will be a bunch of FN slides for sale.......
Roger Joseph Ill buy your slide if its a tactical
I just bought a customer a new gun. Following the instructions from the video, mushrooming the pin on the second hit. I would not bother with these. The plastic trigger in them can be smoothed out with garnet lapping compound and bunches of dry firing, and of course clean it out when you get the desired results.
The packaging says, "We recommend this product be installed by a competent gunsmith."
No reply from apex... go figure. Smh. Hope you got this resolved @rogerjoseph
Thanks for the video I was able to get the pin out with relative ease using my Apex armors block and tray on my work bench over the leg with one of my metal working hammers. Pin placement is key. I just wish I could find a replacement pin but anywhere I can find them listed is sold out... I haven’t had any problems with it walking out yet but it would definitely be nice to have a fresh one for peace of mind. Great video and I’m really happy with the trigger! one thing I wish was part of the kit is a stronger trigger return spring though. It’s not bad but I think it could be better. All in all great improvement to a great firearm. Next up my M&P 2.0 compact needs and Apex just need to save up for it haha the 509 wasn’t cheap...
Excellent video, thank you. If I decide to install an Apex trigger on my FN I'll send it to you.
Just did mine today. I was worried about the frame cracking so I hit it with the blow dryer until warm. Pins came out with no issues using a nail setter, pin punch, small hammer, and a new roll of Duct tape. Had a harder time re-assembling more than anything.
Clever.
Anyone struggling I recommend classes to become familiar with the tools and hardware you are working with. Manuals and UA-cam videos are not enough. I love my 509T dearly and this trigger is amazing...highly recommend purchasing the spring package and heavy duty striker.
I removed the pin in the exact manner described in the video using masking tape roll and my garage floor. 2 taps got it moving and it came out with no issues. This was probably the easiest part of the install. if any of the unfortunate souls that junked their frames want to sell their slides.... I would be interested in possibly purchasing. Overall the videos were an excellent reference and the trigger is amazing.
Thanks for the feedback.
Do you have any slides you want to sell
I just tried to remove the pin in my 509 midsize mrd and it moved a little and stopped when trying to drive right to left. Is it possible the midsize is from left to right for removal?
For what it's worth I received my trigger kit last Tuesday and installed on Wednesday. Prior to take down watched several vedios including yours . Used our granet counter top and armors block about 4 good shacks was out , had more fiddling around getting the sear installed than the pin. Anyway love the trigger.
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I somehow forgot the login password. I would appreciate any tips you can give me.
@Braden Eliseo instablaster :)
@Judah Keith i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and im trying it out atm.
Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Judah Keith It did the trick and I now got access to my account again. I am so happy!
Thank you so much you really help me out !
@Braden Eliseo you are welcome :)
Thank you for the information. You mentioned arbor press, what about hydraulic press. I know that sounds overkill, but pressing it out sounds easier than pounding it with a hammer to me.
Mark A Cinense NO NO NO. You’ll risk warping parts or the frame.
Just an afterthought, regarding the cracked frames, maybe the tape roll is to soft allowing the frame to flex and crack ??? I used a granet counter top and the armors block is hard plastic and a small steel hammer. Pin came out after a few good hits , maybe I'm just a lucky one though...
I am thinking the same thing. To much flex. I used a piece of yellow pine stud on the slab. Drilled a 3/4" hole in the 2x4 so I could drive the pin out the rest of the way. Supported the frame better.
This technique worked perfectly and easily on my FN 509T. Thank you!
Great to hear.
What the name of that pin and part number????
Would an Arbor press work better??
I just purchased this trigger rightnow... watching this video and all I can think of is me fucking up my handgun.
Anybody know how much a replacement frame is? FN 509 tactical. End of the pin broke when I hit it and caused frame damage.
Hunter Villarreal ill buy your slide assembly if you want yo sell
Put the frame in a vice against the armorers block and a small punch or pin and close the vice to push it out. 😂
If you've got a vise handy with that large of an opening, that's a great way to do it. Jiat make sure that pin is straight and the right size.
I appreciate the video but I’ve had 2 gun smiths do exactly what was suggested in this video and both times I’ve had my gun broken. 2 times I’ve had to send my gun to FN for a new frame. I’m about ready to get rid of this gun.
Jeebus my pin was IN there. I have a rock solid workbench and quality punches, i used a gunsmithing hammer increasing strength of single steady blows, then moving up in hammer weight, and that thing wouldn't move a nanometer. Any more and i was busting the frame. Got so frustrated and didn't want to break the frame, I bought their jig AND a 1 ton arbor press, and it took a lot of force with that! but damn i finally got it out. Arbor press like $70 at HF. Much cheaper than a new pistol, and now i have another tool, win win.
TL;DR Get an arbor press and possibly their jig if you pin is really stuck in there. Don't ruin the frame hammerin on it.
Love the shirt!
I Cracked my frame as well, I felt confident going in as I work on cars and with tools everyday so I let that pin have it from right to left, as soon as she loosened, it cracked, the problem I think comes from no support on the frame itself when trying to drive the pin out, which apex's new tool will and should fix, also I'm thinking some 509s are tighter tolerances than others. I called FN and I'm getting a new frame for about $150-170 so I'm doing that and doing it right this time.pleade note that you will obviously have a new serial number. Mine was a 509T btw
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that blows, I have a 509T but two gunsmiths have refused to work on it...now I'm regretting buying it
@@mr.c.3760 well ill give you an update, i got my apex trigger installed, actually easy with the apex armorers tool which is pretty cheap, and some good quality pin punches. gun feels so much better
@@snackyxchan thanks, did u use the same pin or replace it?
@@mr.c.3760 same pin, still very tight
While you drive the pin back in use you have to kind of reverse setup the armorer's tool to get the pin back in, do not attempt to just punch the pin in with a hammer and no armorer's plate, slow taps at first to make sure everything is lined up, triple check, then slowly tap the rest of the way in
Wow!! I know that sucked to crack the frame on a $900 gun!! Sucks to cause you gotta buy the whole gun as it's got the serial number on it
Is it possible to convert a none safety to a manual safety....
When I called your customer service they said that approximately 1/3 of the FN 509s they worked on they had to use a press because that method did not work. Also they said you would be doing installs for free with customer paying for shipping.
i believe some are tighter than others took mine to work and had the machinist try to tap it out using this method and ended up cracking my frame now my frame is scrap
Actually, it was simply faster to use an arbor press. But as Scott points out it is easier for him to use a roll or tape with the proper pin and hammer. Of course, Scott is an exceptional gunsmith with far more experience with the FN striker-fired line than most.
So are you planning on doing free installs? I tried his method. Did not work.
Jon DPD22 Hey Jon, please let me know what you hear about doing the free installs if we pay for shipping. Never heard about that until I saw your comment. Thanks in advance cause I don’t want to attempt this install
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Apex Offering FN Install Assistance
For those of you that have tackled the disassembly of the FN 509, FNS or FNS Compact, and run into the challenge of removing the Forward Un-Locking Block Pin without any success, or have decided to not even try it for fear of breaking your pistol, we have some options for you.
We’ve torn apart 50 some FN pistols through the R&D process leading up to the release of our new Action Enhancement Kit, and all without breaking a single frame. So, when it comes to the disassembly process we’re kind of the leading experts outside of FN itself.
But how does that help you?
Option #1 - Use Our New Installation Tool
We are finishing the design and manufacture of a new fixture to hold the FN frame for pin removal. This fixture will secure to the frame and align a set of holes to guide a pin punch onto the pin to aid in the prevention of damage to the frame. Once these are final we will go into production and make them available for sale.
However, we will also have some available as loaner models which we plan to distribute for free to a few online groups. We’ll ship one to the first person on the list and from there on the user forwards the fixture to the next person on the list in a pay-it-forward kind of scenario.
Option #2 - Have Apex Install It For You
If you still want Apex to install your FN trigger kit you will be able to ship your pistol to Apex. We have two pricing options for shipping your gun, and a third option for locals, but first the most important thing to remember is this:
Regardless of your chosen method of shipment, all customers MUST contact Apex Customer Service to setup a sales quote prior to shipment of any firearm to us.
The first option is to ship directly to Apex via a common carrier (FedEx or UPS). This option is going to be expensive. FedEx and UPS policies dictate that a pistol must be shipped overnight each way. In most cases, we’re finding the charges to be over $140 each way.
The second option, which is the least expensive, is to ship your pistol through your local FFL. An FFL can legally ship a pistol via the United States Postal Service (USPS) with some minimal additional paperwork. Your FFL will have to determine what to charge you to ship your firearm to and receive it back from Apex. For our part, Apex will charge a flat rate of $35 to return your pistol to your FFL via USPS Priority Mail in a Flat Rate box, with $1,000 insurance and Signature Required.
The third option, for those of you local to Apex, meaning you are in or near the greater Phoenix Valley area of Arizona and within driving distance, please contact Apex Customer Service directly to make your arrangements.
Before you decide which process you want to go with - and before you contact Apex Customer Service - please review the complete details and overview of our FN Installation Assistance service. We have also prepared a document for you to share with your local FFL if they are unfamiliar with the United States Postal Service’s shipping process.
Regarding Labor Charges
For the time being, Apex will not charge customers for installation of Apex manufactured products into their FN 509 or FNS series pistol.
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When will they make a trigger like this for the FNX 45T? Literally the only thing I don’t like about the gun
We won't be working on a trigger for the FNX. Only the striker-fired models.
The best advice is to learn to live with the stock trigger.
THX 1138 I agree. I thinks it’s a pretty good trigger after a good break in!
Press?
Get a 10 inch peice a 2x6 and and router a one inch hole all they way threw so the entire gun can rest on it while you hit the gun. Just an idea
Make a trigger for the fnx45 tac
We won't be working on triggers for the FNX models.
So what youre saying is buy the LE version with the flat trigger.
I"m starting to regret buying a 509t, I've driven to two ranges with gunsmiths and they've both flat out refused! This sucks! I'm tempted to do it myself
Watch our install videos, especially how to use the disassembly fixture. It is not as hard as it seems, and certainly shouldn't be for anybody calling themselves a gunsmith. We have 9 or 10 Apex employees here that can do the installation. Unfortunately due to COVID-19 we cannot take in customer guns right now.
What are the specs on "that pin"?
It's an FN pin so we do not have the manufacturing specs.
Too late already cracked my frame pin didn’t move at all this is the exact method I used
George McWilliams Ill buy your slide if its a tactical
Smh. Sorry bud.
Still doesn’t come out I keep hitting and nothing
Why remove remove the pin? You may want to start with that next time..
I've been 4 punches on mine now. Needless to say, I don't think mine is going to get an Apex Trigger
Contact customer service and they may be able to give you some options or guidance.
It wasn't hard at all. I have zero gunsmith experience and was able to get it out. I bought the trigger with the block which was only a few extra dollars..and it wasn't a piece of cake!
Why sell a trigger for something that’s not meant to have it replaced?
A better question is, why did FN ask Apex to design an aftermarket trigger for the FN 509? Apparently, replacing the trigger is acceptable.
Cracked frame fuuuuuk what do I do now
Contact FN America directly.
Use a hockey puck for a punch block. Cheap and affordable
Yeah, we have an excellently designed tool specifically for this gun and we highly recommend using it to avoid damaging the pistol. We have more than just a bit of experience with the FN 509, so you may want to heed our advice.
The moment people cracked the frame probably wished they bought a Glock...LOL
The moment my G30S broke at the front rail with a weaponlight attached while under recoil I wished I'd bought an FN....LOL. Actually, it wasn't very funny at the time, and certainly not "Perfection"!
I'm sorry but I simply don't believe your Glock frame cracked from having a weapon light attached to it and shooting factory ammo.
Most people that purchase this firearm already had other variants of handguns. Why can't you have both, as they fill different niches and styles.
Why would you remove the pin to change out the trigger?
Bc the slide rails hold the trigger bar down and no matter how you wiggle it the trigger is to big to back out, part of the design to keep the pull firm and flat but it is a pain to work on.
He doesn't use a brass hammer because it doesn't transfer energy but he uses gorilla tape as a armors block 🤔
A brass hammer works for this just fine, as long as you use a steel punch. And the Gorilla Tape does the job very well.
Nice shirt 🤣
You need a mic
No kidding. This was done quick and dirty so we could get the info out fast.
@@apextactical I had the volume all the way up and could barely hear your voice and then you placed something on the desk and blew out my eardrums lol
It's not bad, I had the volume turned almost all the way down and heard him perfectly fine. You need to listen with headphones or buy hearing aids or something.
Thanks for the info Apex.
That pin isn’t meant to come out, making this trigger not an option to me. Not worth it.
And yet it was FN itself that wanted companies like Apex to develop an aftermarket trigger. Go figure.
I didn’t know that. I agree that wouldn’t make much sense.
I wish the Apex trigger looked nicer......
So form doesn't actually follow function?
Punch broke 0 movement. I’m crying on the inside
Imagine paying upwards of 900 dollars and having to spend another $150 for a trigger because your 900 dollar gun sucks😂😂
The trigger isn't completely terrible slightly heavy, but can be better.
It’s very convenient that you guys never have a gun that hasn’t had the pin removed before in any of your videos.
Those are NOT pin tools. Those are nail sets. If you’re going to take this on yourself then go to academy and buy some armorers tools that are able to go THROUGH the entire width of the frame because they’re not graduated like a nail set.
Lmfaooo mine won’t fuckin budge
Putting the pin back in is near impossible.
If you have the jig, reinstall it and use your punch from the back side
How about FN actually puts a quality trigger on their $900 guns to begin with! I know, novel idea.
My $239 Taurus G3 has a better trigger than my 509 tactical...smh
“...so you drive it through the frame AS INTENDED” ??? No that’s not as it’s intended guys!
It seems like you could have warned customers beforehand. I guess you were too interested in $ though.
You mean like we did in the disassembly video, which we posted upon release of the new kit? Perhaps you missed that video.
@@apextactical if i purchase this trigger can i send my 509T for apex to install?
@@kellytruong5404Yes. We are currently offering free installation of the FN triggers for those that do not want to tackle it themselves or do not have a local gunsmith/armorer comfortable with working on the gun. Please contact our customer service for details.
Really...They gave plenty of warnings. It’s your responsibility as the owner of the gun to be smart enough to know what you can and can’t do as far as gun smithing/Armor work goes. Not everyone has the skill and sometimes even with the skill shit happens. We’re only human. Apex doesn’t want people cracking they’re frames while trying to install their triggers. 5 minutes of searching and you can find all the info about the possible issue. Good luck.
Sounds like someone's brain wasn't big enough to not break their own gun more like it. Take responsibility.
Eh... I mean, how convenient, right? Punching one out of a previously punched out fn 509? This video would be much more credible had it been an untouched gun. My opinion only.
There are about 10 people here that can disassemble the FN 509 and install our kits. It isn't that hard to do if you understand what needs to be done to successfully remove the pin. But for some it is still daunting. That's why we designed a tool specifically to help people take their FN 509 apart. They must be useful because we keep selling out of them.
Is putting in the fn 509 trigger fairly simple to a new gunsmith
Yes and no. The Gunsmith has to absolutely follow the instructions on how to get that pin out. The greatest mistake we see is not placing the fixture on a hard enough surface. It needs to be on a Vise Anvil, over a table leg or on the concrete for the shock wave to travel through the pin and get it to move.