Translite 2.5 Gig MoCA Network Extender Dual Ethernet Review - TL-MC85
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
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VIDEO INDEX:
00:00 - Intro
00:25 - What is MOCA?
01:37 - Price
01:43 - Hardware Overview
03:34 - Security / Filter Discussion
05:00 - Splitters
06:07 - Docsis 3.1 Issues
07:40 - Speed Tests
09:29 - Internet Speed Test
11:04 - File Transfer Speed Test
12:25 - iPerf Test
14:11 - Conclusion
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I just got these exact boxes 2 weeks ago. Great for my 2 gigabit fiber. Now every room in the house has 2 gigabit ethernet. Surprised really since the house is from the 80s.
We are glad that you were able to utilize the 2.5 Gigabit Ethernet port.
How did you install it can you post a video showing multiple moca install in trying to install 3 of these
Holy smokes, what an amazingly informative video! You literally answered all the questions I had about Moca adapters and more! Great job! You have earned yourself a subscription!
This will solve many problems for old homes and finish homes where run wires are a challenge.
Thanks for the information
Lon, another great video. Instead of trying to explain MoCA to my friends with older homes, I just direct them to your videos. I am always surprised when most people have no idea this technology is available and relatively affordable and just seems to work.
I just installed two actiontec 2.5 adapters with 1gbit ethernet and I'm really pleased so far. Connected super easily. Originally was getting about 600mbit speeds but swapped in a moca splitter and now getting about 950mbit up or down.
Hey Lon, the reason iperf seems to work slower using MoCA is due to using TCP protocol to send packets and the additionally latency MoCA introduces.
Basically, there's a maximum size of data TCP will send before waiting to receive an acknowledgment from the receiving end for the first few packets and then it will send more data and wait for ACK's for the next few packets and so on. This ensures that only a specific amount of data is ever in transit. It's called the window size and it's basically a sliding section of the data.
The issue is when you have additional latency using MoCA (even just a few ms) the ACK's come back slow enough that it bottlenecks the entire transfer. With straight ethernet the latency is sub 1-ms typically so it's not impacted and the ACK's come back fast enough that you can saturate the full bandwidth.
To adjust for this you can run iperf with the -w option and specify a larger 1 MB window size to allow more data to be in transit at once to compensate for the latency introduced by MoCA without the need for parallel streams/threads:
iperf3 -c [SERVER_IP] -w 1M
You can also run iperf in udp mode.
I was testing out my bonded 2.0 bridge and also only got ~500 mbps in tcp but in udp I was getting close to the full gig.
It is amazing how much a few ms can impact the wondow size.
Unfortunately the hitron box I'm using as a node (coda 4582u) has stability issues so I am moving back to un bonded 2.0 :(
Wow I had no idea about these! I've been using mesh wifi routers to try to cover my 3 story house with CAT-5 that can't run gigabit. After watching this I thought what the heck and picked up a pair of Translite TL-MC84-Ws. They worked flawlessly with my existing cable runs - I was finally able to get gigabit speeds upstairs! And these models have wifi built in, which blows away the eero mesh network during testing. One note - when ordering don't confuse the 2.5 Gig models with the MoCA 2.5 version (it'll say it all over the description and title). The units I bought dont have the 2.5 GBE ports on them, which is fine for me. THANK YOU LON!!!!
Really appreciate this! And great knowledge on the docsis 3.1.. I just upgraded my modem!
Thanks for another great video! I'm so excited to see this 2.5Gbps version.
I live in an apartment, so wiring the place for ethernet is really not on. This sort of product is perfect for rental properties/properties where you can't run your own cabling.
This seems so much more performant and easier to manage than powerline networking...
Great video as usual. Thanks! If your modem is DOCSIS 3.1 (like mine) then you do have a bit of configuring to do to get these going but the results are worth it. Using the DOCSIS 3.1 settings from the manual leaves you with 3 of the 5 channels so I believe it would actually max out at 1.5Gb, not 2Gb as mentioned in the video. A POE filter stopped my ISP modem from working at all so I used the WPS settings and definitely changed the login password to something other than admin. I have zero loss through mine with coax from the late 1980s. 370 straight off the modem/router and 370 through MoCA.
Very cool. Glad that Moca is pushing forward and not languishing years behind ethernet home networking devices. Thanks, Lon.
This saved me a lot of work. Thanks!
You don't need MOCA splitters, make sure the splitter you're using has the frequency range between: 5 - 2400 MHz, splitters exactly like the one at 5:30. This type of splitters allows you to have both cable TV and satellite TV signal or cable TV and MOCA modem. Regular splitter with the frequency range between 5 - 1000 (cable TV splitters) will NOT work with MOCA modems.
Well done. I must setup a similar network in my house
Lon you're the best!
Sounds like a good option to get to some of those tough to get to spots if you don’t want to do new cable drop.
Thanks for another great review. I bought these and have some observations to share.
1. If you make the DOCSIS 3.1 modifications (only operate on D-High band), you may be incompatible with older MoCA devices. I had some older ActionTec adapters that operated only on the D-Extended band - never got a MoCA connection LED. (I recognize these older adapters are not compatible with DOCSIS 3.1.)
2. The factory configuration has a fixed IP address for the adapter. It's rather clunky to access the interface to make modifications to the adapter. I think I may have bricked one adapter when configuring it - I can no longer connect to it. I've contacted Translite support.
Thanks. Great sharing.
Keep up the great work.
Terminate the unused connectors. The cable companies go to great lengths to minimize leakage. This is to prevent interference to and from the cable network. The terminators are just a resistor in an F connector and easily screw onto any open connectors. When I switched to IPTV, a couple of years ago, my cable company sent me several to fill all the unused outlets.
Interesting content. A few years ago, I used a similar device in my work, though I don't know if it was MoCA. It provided 100 Mb and PoE over coax. I used them when I was installing security cameras in elevators. The elevator techs installed the coax in the elevator shaft, from the car up to the machine room. I then used those adapters at either end, to provide Ethernet connections and power the camera, from a PoE switch in the machine room.
those are cool. I have no idea what kind of splitters I have in my 26 year old house. now that we use OTT streaming services, our cable wiring is not being used at all. perfect for this kind of technology. the cable jacks tend to be in a good place in each room as well.
The transfer speeds are due to how MOCA is designed- its threaded by an array of individual channels, and if you look at docsis modems, you'll see they have advertised things like "8x32" or "4x16". Your 400-500mb indicates you're likely using 6-8 channels on the devices.
Hey Lon, Thanks for the many MoCA videos. I am using MoCA based on the information you provided. Works great for me. I am looking at the new Verizon 5G Home internet service. What MoCA cable changes would I have to make since this solution doe not provide a specific modem, but rather a modem, router and WIFI box all combined? What would you suggest as the wiring option for this implementation? Thanks.
How would you install these alongside a slightly older Verizon setup? The goofy Verizon “gateway” handles the moca and needs it for the TV.
I got them 2 weeks ago too. 2-3 watt each device need only. Really great that they add a 2.5gbit port to this. Also, I add a 2.5 gbit usb-c-Ethernet-adapter to my laptop docking station, so no need to buy even an expensive 2.5gbit switch, since my internet router owns already a 2.5 gbit port.
I believe this moca limitation with the docsis 3.1 is only if the cable modem is on the same coax network. If you run the coax straight to modem and then from modem to router then back to moca device this limitation shouldn't occur.
These MoCA boxes sound like the perfect solution for the problem I have with slow Ethernet speeds in one of my rooms. I have an Ethernet connection in a room where I only get 10 mb speed, as detected by a 10/100/1000 meg switch. Either the Eithernet cable is 10 meg cable, or perhaps that Eithernet cable run is damaged. I have an unused cable TV coaxial connector in that room and all the coaxial cable runs in a junction box near the router., and I could use the MoCA devices to get 1000 meg Eithernet in that room. However, does the coaxial cable run in the house have to be a newer higher speed coaxial cable, or is 20 year old coaxial cable good enough for the MoCA devices? I could also put in a WiFI access point in that room to improve the WiFi in the house. What WiFi access points do you recommend?
Hi Lon, I just set up a Synology DS920+ NAS with dual 1gb connections. Could I use a pair of these and bond them for Dynamic Link Aggregation to my Netgear switch that supports bonding? Great video btw. -Joel
Pretty funny that you mention this. I actually got some powerline adapters very recently for my setup. They seem to be more flexible since they run right off the home's electrical wiring itself. It would be cool if you can test out some powerline adapters and compare it to this solution.
I "upgraded" from powerline adapters to Moca. I found that while powerline is reliable (although it apparently depends on your house electrical wiring), Moca is much faster.
I have the "1200Mbps" power line devices, and I get around 100Mbps actual speed around the apartment (and around 300Mbps if I have the adaptors next to each other), whereas my Moca adaptors (which are the older 1Gbps ones) will get 800-900Mbps, which is almost as good as an Ethernet cable. Pretty sure these 2.5Gbps ones will be even faster.
I did a video on this very topic! MoCA is far superior for network extension. ua-cam.com/video/A2IkjOW8cR4/v-deo.html
@@LonSeidman Huh, maybe I'll return the powerline adapters then. I already ran a coax cable to the basement room I am renting because I thought I could have my own modem and account with the ISP, but it doesn't work that way. At least that effort won't be wasted. I just wasn't aware of MoCA and the fact that it doesn't interfere with the existing signals. The main modem of the place only has the one coax cable running to it.
Any issue with using different brands on each side? I'd like to use the Translite with the two ports on my device side and something smaller one with a 2.5 GB on the router side. Thoughts appreciated
Hi, I have internet from coming from Xfinity split right outside the home and I have coax port on the first floor and second floor where I can connect modem/router. Right now, I have modem/router in first floor. I wanted to use the second floor coax port as well to get a better internet speed. Preferably connect a router to get direct Ethernet to upstairs.
Will connecting a moca 2.5 in the second floor directly to the wall port, then router without modem and ethernet cable to PC work or what is the best way in this case. Appreciate the help.
Is iit lke a switch too on both ends? In their setup pictures they only show two devices connected at thee "far" end. So can I have internet uplink on the gigabit port and my PC and my server on the 2.5Gbe ones?
Are these still incompatible with media like Directv?
Anyone know if Comcast will degrade your speed with Moca 2.0 units? I had an issue with an old Actiontec 2.0 unit. Perhaps it was just old and some components wearing out, no idea. I may add the 2.5 units to my network. I pay for about 400 mbps speed which is all I really need right now. Not a gamer or someone processing lots of video uploads, etc. I have my own Docsis 3.1 cable modem. Thanks!
This is work can will be on dish networking examples LNB & Receiver.
I have a coax 2 in 1 modem how would I set it up
I see these enhancements coming due to competition: 1) multiple Ethernet port on the units 2) an option to use a lower frequency that is compatible with splitters that may be buried inside of your walls.
Very well explained. Where can I get too MoCA adaptors like the ones you used?
Amazon link in the description!
Coin flip between these and the newer GoCoax adapters?
This works pretty well for someone who's actually renting a place and can't drill or spend money on wiring the whole house with ethernet.
Hi Lon, long time subscriber. You've tested a number of different MoCA brands and models over the years. What would you say is the best one you've tested?
They all generally perform the same - so it’s really a matter of port configuration that differentiates them.
Do the goCoax Moca have this Docsis 3.1 limitation? I did not see anything included in the box to change their settings. Which of the two brands, goCoax, or Translite, would you prefer? Also, the POE filter, even placed outside my house, makes the signal extremely weak from the provider. I had to end up not using it.
Not sure if GoCoax missed providing that information, but it is necessary to accommodate Docsis3.1 frequencies.
Could I connect a network switch to one of these, and then devices to the switch? And then another Moca device connected to the gateway.
Yes you can! I have one Moca device is connected to my fibre modem, and another Moca device in a bedroom which is plugged to a switch, and multiple computers plugged into the switch.
The whole Moca system basically just acts like an Ethernet cable extension (and if you have more than 2 Moca devices then it's as though you have a switch).
I have a two-story house with an attic. Multiple splitters are employed in the attic and I suspect there are other locations where splitters are used. The cabling was originally done over 25 years ago. Will I have to track down and replace every splitter in the house to insure an optimal and reliable MOCA network?
Yes because those old splitters aren't moca compatible. Sorry man
How can I broadcast TV on this piece please
I have a couple go coax boxes and an arris docsis 3.1 modem but my internet is not fast enough to get those speeds so it's running in docsis 3.0 mode is that still an issue? Also I checked the splitter it's within range of the frequencies needed for mocaa to work.
If the modem is only running in 3.0 mode you should be ok.
@@LonSeidman Thank you for the help. :)
>.<
That's why I cannot get decent outgoing speed when MoCA incoming is busy
I thought it has malfunction
If these can give up to 2.5 Gb or even just Gigabit what is the practical difference with running ethernet? Like what is the practical speed or performance advantage of running ethernet?
Ethernet has many advantages the biggest of course being full duplex data transfers. Also in most cases you're connected to a switch that manages traffic so you're not having collisions when multiple devices are transmitting at the same time.
IMO the built in splitter is a negative not a positive. Most locations you won't need to connect another device but you're taking the signal hit every time
Does coaxial cables differ from each other ? (Speed wise)
I have 20 years old cables that i use for satellite and this moca tech will be really good if my cables support it
I think MoCA is generally designed to work with RG 6 cable.
@@LonSeidman MoCA can work with RG59 too actually.
With this work with over the air antenna
Excellent review, thank you. I have installed about 50 Moca 2.0 and earlier devices and always use a poe filter to prevent leaking outside. Since spec permits up to 16 remote devices, can I use a Moca splitter for 10 units in my condominium building to give them Internet, but maintain isolation from unit to unit. Does turning on security also enable remote device isolation.
@@MrNEMILI Actiontec; they are reliable, have an internal splitter, fast, and priced well
@@MrNEMILI Sorry, these are new and I haven’t used them yet. But, Lon seems to like them so you should be safe to buy a pair.
Docsis 3.1 has been around forever - I've had it for something like 3 years now, and I think a ton of people are probably going to be in a similar situation
Hi, will this moca network work if i have it simultaneously connected to my Spectrum cable box while ethernet cable is connected to my tv? Thanks in advance.
Yes
@@LonSeidman Thanks, a lot of the other presenters are either saying that you can't have cable or they just assume everyone in the world don't have it anymore. I'm assuming the ability to use it simultaneously with the cable tv box is a recent thing? or no?
@@samkessler9003 It has always worked - remember this is a network bridge so your tv will connect through the moca back to the ethernet connection it's bridged to.
Can you connect these direct one to one without a modem or router?
yes
Can you do a series of videos on using fiber optic cables? I mention this because now that we are in the multi-gigabit game, copper is no longer a viable option to transmit data, particular for longer distances. Fiber is the only alternative.
How do these compare to the GoCoax WF-803M?
That version only has a gigabit ethernet port on it and these have a 2.5 + a 1 gig.
is there a limit on coax cable length
It's roughly the same as ethernet for Coax (about 300 feet).
Great video as always.
I'm not to knowledgeable about these Moca devices. You have a 2 gb (now 3gb)internet speed system. What about people who only have 50 mb to 1 gb,what would their download speed be. I'm sure it won't be the 2.5 gb on the Moca device am I correct.
It's pretty close to what you're paying for. These won't magically make your internet faster. Moca is a much simpler alternative to running cables all around your house which can be expensive and time consuming. Just do it bro no regrets here!
What about VLAN?
I am not a troll disclaimer been a sub for a min jut saw this video also a tech for XFINITY… 3rd party splitter will affect your internet speed also once u have XFINITY service they install mica splitter or filter more then one filter will cause problems or nose on the plan and give you intermittent Internet connection or pixelation
Why do companies love to use acronyms that are already in use? PoE already means Power of Ethernet in home networking, but now there’s also Point of Entry?
Yeah... and putting a POE filter in front of a DOCSIS 3.1 modem prevents the modem from working. (At least for mine). Your only security option is setting up the MPS security. After that mine worked GREAT. Zero speed loss from one end of the house to the other.
10:48 I didn't know US internet speed is over 2000Mbps. I'm living in Australia and 200Mbps is called "Super Fast"!!!!
Only certain parts of the country have it. In Nevada we "only" have gigabit internet but it's still hella fast so no complaints here m8!
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