I had a 2022 718 Spyder with a manual transmission, 440HP tune, full exhaust, over axle pipes, and BMC filters. I was very happy with the car and didn’t think I needed a Spyder RS …..until a friend let me drive his. Holy crap, it’s a totally different experience and not a lot of people mention anything but the engine, but there must’ve been a decent amount of changes to suspension because the car actually rides even better and still feels sharper in handing. We have a group of about 6 guys that have all gone from 718 Spyders to RS’s and everyone of us initially said it wasn’t worth the money and losing the manual transmission for, yet everyone of us loves our RS’s. It’s the type of car that has to be experienced to be fully appreciated
Had a manual 718 spyder. Absolutely loved it. Perfect sports car. The RS is basically a race car version of that car. Engine and tranny are absolute beasts, and the intake note is complete motorsports bliss. But you gotta pay to play. Do I miss my MT spyder, though? I do not. It’s a lot of extra money, but if you have it, the RS is absolutely sublime. But if you have either car, consider yourself lucky.
Nice driving review! I'm biased because we have the 718 Spyder, 6spd. I wouldn't goto the RS at this point, mostly because it's a lot more expensive, and because I don't like the soft top design and I wanted a manual. To me the 718 Spyder is the steerable sports car, the RS is the track version. Two different things for different purposes. I will drive the RS if I get a chance to compare the driving experience too!
They're the same recipe, the only difference is the level of intensity. Spyder RS intake note is magic, but sacrificing the option of a manual is a shame, and dynamically I don't think there's a big step up (makes sense, 95% same suspension components). Overall, I think the base Spyder is a better all-round package, especially with a couple mods and a proper alignment. The roof mechanism is a lot more convenient, meaning it can go touring with less friction, and do daily duty at a push. The RS is somewhat relegated to weekend and track, and suffers in countries that have frequent wet weather, whereas the base is a solid all rounder that can perform anywhere. Base is great in a 1-2 car garage, RS is a dream addition to any 3 car garage.
Having gone from an S2000 to a Cayman S, then a detour to a 997 GT3RS, then GT4, then GT4RS, to currently an RS Spyder, I appreciate the various comments posted, including asking for more comparative analysis. The 2023 Spyder sounded great and has the benefit for many of the manual. The RS Spyder is insanely fast (0-60mph in 2.8 on one test) and needs the PDK which is from the GT3RS and uttterly intuitive and brilliant. This car is now banned in Australia where I live and there was just one shipment which arrived, while it seems they will be available elsewhere for at least all of 2025. You pay a lot more for the RS. By the way you weren't reviewing the Weissach version with unnecessary exhaust tips, extra carbon fibre and magnesium wheels. And its not too loud!
I have a similar very well speced 2022 Porsche 718 Spyder with a Softronic tune. I only want manual transmission cars. I get how great the RS is, but for me, I'm very happy with mine. I also have an Evora GT that's modified and tuned for that very raw, analog and challenging driving experience.
I bought a regular Spyder last year, these were my reasons, yes the RS sounds better and has more appeal, however with roof up you can only drive 200 km/h which since I am based in Germany is too slow for our Autobahn, also with more volatile weather wouldn’t wanna deal with roof mechanism of the RS, then MT only in regular Spyder, PDK for race track but the Spyder is made for B roads, then there is apart from the price difference also maintenance, Porsche prices the regular Spyder the same like an entry level Boxster, the RS because of the engine like a GT3, same for insurance here, the RS is already in the exotic car bracket with much higher insurance bills to pay. To me the regular Spyder is an absolute bargain!
It's weird, you just tried two cars back-to-back but asking us to share our opinions in the comments. I would have hoped a bit more direct comparison information, not everyone is getting such a unique opportunity. A detailed follow-up video maybe?
The PSE mode in the Spyder RS actually doesn't sound very good - loud and droney. It's better to leave it off and just enjoy its signature intake and engine sounds.
I traded my manual 718 GT4 in for my GT4RS so while not Spyders I can add some thoughts to this. The PDK is absolutely magical. I’ve never owned an automatic tranny car in 44 years of driving , 40 years of track days and 2 seasons of racing, the 4RS is the first non-manual I’ve owned and there’s no way in hell I’d trade the PDK for a manual. This PDK is as charismatic and entertaining as the engine. It’s hard to describe, it feels like a manual gearbox controlled by paddles rather than an automatic that can also shift with paddles. As someone who’s owned both, if the 4RS were offered with either a manual or PDK, it would be PDK all day long and I’d keep a manual Ferrari with gated shifter if I wanted the best of the best in a manual gearbox experience.
Both exceptional vehicles. I’d be happy with either but from a practical standpoint, I like the top mechanism on the Spyder a little more and I think the RS is just a bit too loud for prolonged driving. Plus I’d save about $50k that I could spend on gas, insurance and maintenance.
You know that "ha ha ha" thing that you do when you get into an S2000 or something on the money? We do that with every Porsche POV video :) That engine note! oh man! that note!
The Spyder RS is truly S2000's big brother. I haven't owned a car as visceral as an AP! S2000 until this Spyder RS. (Fcar and McLaren alike are beyond my pay grade)
Everyone always wants more power. That's why that Spyder has an exhaust & tune to make more power. Is there more to the SRS than just power? Absolutely, that transmission is out of this world. I have been a die-hard manual guy for 50+ years, but until you really drive an SRS, select PDK-S and put your foot into it, don't presume you know what it feels like, you don't. Let's not forget that intake sound it's just WOW! It sounds great in this video, but it's even better in person. It makes the car feel alive, as if it has a soul! The suspension is fantastic for the road. For hard driving, I would increase camber, it's adjustable to 2.5 degrees. IMO, if you can afford an SRS, then get the SRS. If it's out of your budget, the regular Spyder is also a great car. Midengined Porsche the 718, what 911s should have. Well, at least the 911RSR was midengined.
@@TGCREkenI loved my 981 and 718 Spyders both MT. I still wanted something more raw and visceral…the SRS does that for me. Incredible cars we are all so darn lucky.
I just bought a Spyder rs and my best bud has a manual Spyder , no comparison , imo Spyder rs is more fun than a regular Spyder by miles and even more fun than gt3 rs and regular 992 gt3
I own a 718 Spyder and had an allocation for the RS that I gave up. I didn't like the top, AT ALL. Don't like all the added aero bits; a bit too boy racer for me. Didn't like the interior choices and deal breaker. No manual. I think for the significant added cost, you give up way to much with the manual and the top to make it worth the step up. JMHO.
I’d pick the manual. Spyder RS is a bit of an odd one - neither here nor there. If I were to get an RS and go auto, I would much (and I emphasize MUCH) more interested in the GT4 variant
You mentioned S2000, I have a stock AP-1. I was thinking of changing it for a 981 Boxter S. I love the S2000, what's your thoughts, save £25k and keep S2000? I don't really care about badge, I am in it for the thrill and the S2000 thrills 😊
@jubbalandcars that is the conclusion I have come to! GR86 is too daily (I have a GR Sport Yaris Cross also as my daily) and Mazda MX-5 is a bit mickey mouse and here in UK a bit of a girl's car! So the only option for upgrade is 981 Boxter S. I did consider the 718 4pot but it doesn't have the thrill, as I had an S3 and an M240i (turbo and inline) and I like NA!
How much more powerful did the RS motor feel compared to the Cobb tuned spyder? Curious because, at least with the APR tune, there isn’t a huge difference in paper. APR 93 tune makes 459 crank HP and 347 crank torques. But then the RS has much shorter gearing so is putting more torque to the pavement.
Other than a custom exhaust and tune it's bone stock.. Uhuh.. The RS is very cool, but only as a fun weekend car and you'll need earplugs.. The regular Sypder is "hardcore" enough for me, and if I wanted to daily such car I would get a GTS 4.0 for the more practicle roof.. And keep it bone stock of course with a custom exhaust and tune, lol..
You definitely had more fun in the 718 manual version with less power than the RS version. I feel the RS has too much power to the weight and you were more distracted by the power. In summary I think the RS would be more fun with 100bhp less power but with same weight, likely slightly softer suspension and PDK. So in this/these case, much less is definitely more fun🙏🏿👌🏿
@ their is such a thing as too much of something. Or ever heard of the saying, “it’s more fun driving a slow car fast, than a fast car slow”. Guy in the video defo had more fun in the slower car with less power ☺️
I had 718 Spyder manual 3 years with exhaust and now Spyder Rs for 7 months… huge difference between cars, regular Spyder feels slow, heavy, Spyder RS is super sharp, fast enough, with a unique sound experience that no other car in the market can offer
@ exhaust upgrade does not necessarily mean more power, tune up likely does but at what compromise if brakes are not upgraded. I’d sooner make the car much lighter and improve the brakes, that way you get free power upgrade with a car capable of more speed round corners. It’s how I see it anyways 🤷🏾♂️☺️
I have a 2023 718 Spyder and absolutely love it. I looked at the Spyder RS, but I wanted a MT. My 991.1 GTS is also manual. In my opinion, going faster is not what this car is about. If that's what you are looking for, look at getting the DeMan engine upgrade for $35K. This car is about driving the back roads of the Texas Hill Country or Arkansas' Ozarks (if you live in the US, you must attend Porsche Palooza in Eureka Springs, AK). Finally, I do not get where anyone thinks the price difference is only $50K. I paid a premium for my CPO Spyder of $18,500 so around $140K for the car. The 4 dealers in Texas that would guarantee their allocation was asking $75K over sticker. This would make the car closer to $250K, so about $100K more. Is the RS $100K better, no way. At $250K, a MT GT3 would be glorious.
@andyjackson5404 well....when you drop 144k on a version of your "dream" car...and the last 200 miles of a 1500 mile ride home, with said dream car and you forget it you're driving a 911...ya...I was bored. BORING
@andyjackson5404 HAD...21 carrera 4s cab w/ pdk. Bought late Sept 24. Traded it, 2 weeks ago for a 2020 spider w/ 6spd and ordered a 25 boxster w/ pdk for wife
You probably need to drive more cars; respectfully. I’m a former Miata owner, have had 3 Caymans and a 911 and a Miata isn’t even in the conversation. A manual Porsche (naturally aspirated) is everything turned up from a Miata. If we’re talking any of the turbo charged Porsches (718, 991.2, 992) then I’d be slightly more inclined to agree.
@@richardness3 I love the Miata don’t get me wrong, but to say it would be more fun is a bit of a stretch. But also, what’s fun to one person is subjective so I don’t disagree with you.
regular spyder really doesnt sound good. why is the traction control turned off on a warm dry twisty downhill whereby you cant exceed the speed limits of the 2nd gear..and yes sport damping is very unnecessary. Is the rs a car sold by porsche fresno? looks familiar....
You don’t know what you re talking about. Have both cars of this video and other cars, unique car with a unique sound experience, wait 10 years and see them in collectors collection
@@bill9629are you owning it for collectibility and investment or to drive? I was offered a Spyder RS at MSRP and passed. Ordered a manual loaded up 718 Cayman GTS Coupe instead. RS isn’t practical with the finicky roof and it’s too loud. Didn’t want to park it and deal with the top. $12,000 per magnesium wheel to replace it if you hit a pothole. Just a PIA it felt like. The GTS will be more fun and usable for me I decided. Don’t care about investment or collections. That’s why I buy stocks.
I had a 2022 718 Spyder with a manual transmission, 440HP tune, full
exhaust, over axle pipes, and BMC filters. I was very happy with the car and didn’t think I needed a Spyder RS …..until a friend let me drive his. Holy crap, it’s a totally different experience and not a lot of people mention anything but the engine, but there must’ve been a decent amount of changes to suspension because the car actually rides even better and still feels sharper in handing. We have a group of about 6 guys that have all gone from 718 Spyders to RS’s and everyone of us initially said it wasn’t worth the money and losing the manual transmission for, yet everyone of us loves our RS’s. It’s the type of car that has to be experienced to be fully appreciated
Had a manual 718 spyder. Absolutely loved it. Perfect sports car. The RS is basically a race car version of that car. Engine and tranny are absolute beasts, and the intake note is complete motorsports bliss. But you gotta pay to play. Do I miss my MT spyder, though? I do not. It’s a lot of extra money, but if you have it, the RS is absolutely sublime. But if you have either car, consider yourself lucky.
Do you think this will keep the value if optioned with the right trim colors? Prospective possible buyer here.
Nice driving review! I'm biased because we have the 718 Spyder, 6spd. I wouldn't goto the RS at this point, mostly because it's a lot more expensive, and because I don't like the soft top design and I wanted a manual.
To me the 718 Spyder is the steerable sports car, the RS is the track version. Two different things for different purposes.
I will drive the RS if I get a chance to compare the driving experience too!
They're the same recipe, the only difference is the level of intensity. Spyder RS intake note is magic, but sacrificing the option of a manual is a shame, and dynamically I don't think there's a big step up (makes sense, 95% same suspension components). Overall, I think the base Spyder is a better all-round package, especially with a couple mods and a proper alignment. The roof mechanism is a lot more convenient, meaning it can go touring with less friction, and do daily duty at a push. The RS is somewhat relegated to weekend and track, and suffers in countries that have frequent wet weather, whereas the base is a solid all rounder that can perform anywhere. Base is great in a 1-2 car garage, RS is a dream addition to any 3 car garage.
Having gone from an S2000 to a Cayman S, then a detour to a 997 GT3RS, then GT4, then GT4RS, to currently an RS Spyder, I appreciate the various comments posted, including asking for more comparative analysis. The 2023 Spyder sounded great and has the benefit for many of the manual. The RS Spyder is insanely fast (0-60mph in 2.8 on one test) and needs the PDK which is from the GT3RS and uttterly intuitive and brilliant. This car is now banned in Australia where I live and there was just one shipment which arrived, while it seems they will be available elsewhere for at least all of 2025. You pay a lot more for the RS. By the way you weren't reviewing the Weissach version with unnecessary exhaust tips, extra carbon fibre and magnesium wheels. And its not too loud!
I have a similar very well speced 2022 Porsche 718 Spyder with a Softronic tune. I only want manual transmission cars. I get how great the RS is, but for me, I'm very happy with mine. I also have an Evora GT that's modified and tuned for that very raw, analog and challenging driving experience.
I bought a regular Spyder last year, these were my reasons, yes the RS sounds better and has more appeal, however with roof up you can only drive 200 km/h which since I am based in Germany is too slow for our Autobahn, also with more volatile weather wouldn’t wanna deal with roof mechanism of the RS, then MT only in regular Spyder, PDK for race track but the Spyder is made for B roads, then there is apart from the price difference also maintenance, Porsche prices the regular Spyder the same like an entry level Boxster, the RS because of the engine like a GT3, same for insurance here, the RS is already in the exotic car bracket with much higher insurance bills to pay. To me the regular Spyder is an absolute bargain!
The Spyder is one of the true gems today. If you can get one, get it. Absolutely fabulous.
It's weird, you just tried two cars back-to-back but asking us to share our opinions in the comments. I would have hoped a bit more direct comparison information, not everyone is getting such a unique opportunity. A detailed follow-up video maybe?
Agreed! Was waiting in the final thoughts section for a detailed comparison that never came :-(
Noted! Will be more mindful of that in future comparisons
Stop asking us for our opinions. People give it asked or not. We watch your videos so we can hear your opinions!
The PSE mode in the Spyder RS actually doesn't sound very good - loud and droney. It's better to leave it off and just enjoy its signature intake and engine sounds.
That's why the Kline exhaust is supreme, it sounds like its supposed to, in other words amazing
I traded my manual 718 GT4 in for my GT4RS so while not Spyders I can add some thoughts to this. The PDK is absolutely magical. I’ve never owned an automatic tranny car in 44 years of driving , 40 years of track days and 2 seasons of racing, the 4RS is the first non-manual I’ve owned and there’s no way in hell I’d trade the PDK for a manual. This PDK is as charismatic and entertaining as the engine. It’s hard to describe, it feels like a manual gearbox controlled by paddles rather than an automatic that can also shift with paddles. As someone who’s owned both, if the 4RS were offered with either a manual or PDK, it would be PDK all day long and I’d keep a manual Ferrari with gated shifter if I wanted the best of the best in a manual gearbox experience.
Not worth doubling the price
Both exceptional vehicles. I’d be happy with either but from a practical standpoint, I like the top mechanism on the Spyder a little more and I think the RS is just a bit too loud for prolonged driving. Plus I’d save about $50k that I could spend on gas, insurance and maintenance.
You know that "ha ha ha" thing that you do when you get into an S2000 or something on the money? We do that with every Porsche POV video :) That engine note! oh man! that note!
The Spyder RS is truly S2000's big brother. I haven't owned a car as visceral as an AP! S2000 until this Spyder RS. (Fcar and McLaren alike are beyond my pay grade)
@@redcarrot1148 Can't wait to get one of my own!
Everyone always wants more power. That's why that Spyder has an exhaust & tune to make more power. Is there more to the SRS than just power?
Absolutely, that transmission is out of this world. I have been a die-hard manual guy for 50+ years, but until you really drive an SRS, select PDK-S and put your foot into it, don't presume you know what it feels like, you don't.
Let's not forget that intake sound it's just WOW! It sounds great in this video, but it's even better in person. It makes the car feel alive, as if it has a soul!
The suspension is fantastic for the road. For hard driving, I would increase camber, it's adjustable to 2.5 degrees.
IMO, if you can afford an SRS, then get the SRS. If it's out of your budget, the regular Spyder is also a great car. Midengined Porsche the 718, what 911s should have. Well, at least the 911RSR was midengined.
I would definitely pick the 718 manual version. In my opinion it seems more fun most of the time compared to the RS.
I have a 718 Spyder. Peak Porsche for the money.
I think the money is best spent on the 981 spyder
@@andrewciebrant5789 on some levels, but the 718 design, technology, and GT dispute all superior. I don’t care about sound.
@@TGCREkenI loved my 981 and 718 Spyders both MT. I still wanted something more raw and visceral…the SRS does that for me. Incredible cars we are all so darn lucky.
I just bought a Spyder rs and my best bud has a manual Spyder , no comparison , imo Spyder rs is more fun than a regular Spyder by miles and even more fun than gt3 rs and regular 992 gt3
“Regular” Spyder with the Sharkwerks gearing mod.
Is there any reason you disengaged the traction control?
I own a 718 Spyder and had an allocation for the RS that I gave up. I didn't like the top, AT ALL. Don't like all the added aero bits; a bit too boy racer for me. Didn't like the interior choices and deal breaker. No manual. I think for the significant added cost, you give up way to much with the manual and the top to make it worth the step up. JMHO.
I have one (after owning the 981 Spyder for 8 years) differierent kind of beast… this review somes it up good, buy one if you can find the money…
I’d pick the manual. Spyder RS is a bit of an odd one - neither here nor there. If I were to get an RS and go auto, I would much (and I emphasize MUCH) more interested in the GT4 variant
718 RS Spyder🧡👌👏
i'd choose manual spyder all day just beacause it has three pedals.
You mentioned S2000, I have a stock AP-1. I was thinking of changing it for a 981 Boxter S. I love the S2000, what's your thoughts, save £25k and keep S2000? I don't really care about badge, I am in it for the thrill and the S2000 thrills 😊
both great, for me the enjoyment/$ is too hard to pass up on the S2K
@jubbalandcars that is the conclusion I have come to! GR86 is too daily (I have a GR Sport Yaris Cross also as my daily) and Mazda MX-5 is a bit mickey mouse and here in UK a bit of a girl's car! So the only option for upgrade is 981 Boxter S. I did consider the 718 4pot but it doesn't have the thrill, as I had an S3 and an M240i (turbo and inline) and I like NA!
not even broken in yet, pain
How much more powerful did the RS motor feel compared to the Cobb tuned spyder? Curious because, at least with the APR tune, there isn’t a huge difference in paper. APR 93 tune makes 459 crank HP and 347 crank torques. But then the RS has much shorter gearing so is putting more torque to the pavement.
Other than a custom exhaust and tune it's bone stock.. Uhuh..
The RS is very cool, but only as a fun weekend car and you'll need earplugs.. The regular Sypder is "hardcore" enough for me, and if I wanted to daily such car I would get a GTS 4.0 for the more practicle roof.. And keep it bone stock of course with a custom exhaust and tune, lol..
Give me three pedals.
That RS is bonkers good pice of driving!!!
I hate that the RS only offers an automatic transmission. I want one with a 6 speed manual.
Yep, Porsches are a class apart.
You definitely had more fun in the 718 manual version with less power than the RS version. I feel the RS has too much power to the weight and you were more distracted by the power. In summary I think the RS would be more fun with 100bhp less power but with same weight, likely slightly softer suspension and PDK. So in this/these case, much less is definitely more fun🙏🏿👌🏿
Never heard a sports car fan asking for LESS horsepower!
@ their is such a thing as too much of something. Or ever heard of the saying, “it’s more fun driving a slow car fast, than a fast car slow”.
Guy in the video defo had more fun in the slower car with less power ☺️
I had 718 Spyder manual 3 years with exhaust and now Spyder Rs for 7 months… huge difference between cars, regular Spyder feels slow, heavy, Spyder RS is super sharp, fast enough, with a unique sound experience that no other car in the market can offer
@y0057
I have heard that saying. My question is, why do these lesser powered cars always get an exhaust & tune to make more power?
@ exhaust upgrade does not necessarily mean more power, tune up likely does but at what compromise if brakes are not upgraded. I’d sooner make the car much lighter and improve the brakes, that way you get free power upgrade with a car capable of more speed round corners. It’s how I see it anyways 🤷🏾♂️☺️
Own both. Why limit it to either/or?
I have a 2023 718 Spyder and absolutely love it. I looked at the Spyder RS, but I wanted a MT. My 991.1 GTS is also manual. In my opinion, going faster is not what this car is about. If that's what you are looking for, look at getting the DeMan engine upgrade for $35K. This car is about driving the back roads of the Texas Hill Country or Arkansas' Ozarks (if you live in the US, you must attend Porsche Palooza in Eureka Springs, AK). Finally, I do not get where anyone thinks the price difference is only $50K. I paid a premium for my CPO Spyder of $18,500 so around $140K for the car. The 4 dealers in Texas that would guarantee their allocation was asking $75K over sticker. This would make the car closer to $250K, so about $100K more. Is the RS $100K better, no way. At $250K, a MT GT3 would be glorious.
For lap times, likely is. Just don't drive around my block.
I'd rather have 3 pedals. Pdk is fast but gets really boring.
I don’t think it would ever be “boring”. Not as interactive…yes. But , boring? I think not - No offense of course.
@andyjackson5404 well....when you drop 144k on a version of your "dream" car...and the last 200 miles of a 1500 mile ride home, with said dream car and you forget it you're driving a 911...ya...I was bored. BORING
@ You bought a Spyder RS for 144k? The video was 718 Spyder Manual vs Spyder RS…(not any manual vs. PDK).
@andyjackson5404 no. I bought a SPYDER. don't let your brain get in the way of what your eyes read.
@andyjackson5404 HAD...21 carrera 4s cab w/ pdk. Bought late Sept 24. Traded it, 2 weeks ago for a 2020 spider w/ 6spd and ordered a 25 boxster w/ pdk for wife
Why not show speed? It’s not like we all don’t know you’re not speeding some. I think it helps the review. Have you had an issues doing so?
But honestly for these kind of roads give me your ND3 Miata. I bet it’s much more fun
You probably need to drive more cars; respectfully. I’m a former Miata owner, have had 3 Caymans and a 911 and a Miata isn’t even in the conversation. A manual Porsche (naturally aspirated) is everything turned up from a Miata. If we’re talking any of the turbo charged Porsches (718, 991.2, 992) then I’d be slightly more inclined to agree.
@@KevinIsFamous I own a ND2 and a GT3. Miata absolutely holds its own on tight backroads like these as far as fun
@@richardness3 I love the Miata don’t get me wrong, but to say it would be more fun is a bit of a stretch. But also, what’s fun to one person is subjective so I don’t disagree with you.
WP does not add mag wheels, however you need WP to option mag wheels. This car has neither
That Spyder RS doesn't have the Weissach Package
Thus no magnesium wheels😮
@@HGUlmke WP does not equal mag wheels. It only unlocks the ability to option them
That's why it looks better. Stupid carbon front lid is ugly.
@@kimzim2001 did you spec yours without it?
regular spyder really doesnt sound good. why is the traction control turned off on a warm dry twisty downhill whereby you cant exceed the speed limits of the 2nd gear..and yes sport damping is very unnecessary. Is the rs a car sold by porsche fresno? looks familiar....
718 RS is a rip off.
You don’t know what you re talking about. Have both cars of this video and other cars, unique car with a unique sound experience, wait 10 years and see them in collectors collection
@@bill9629are you owning it for collectibility and investment or to drive? I was offered a Spyder RS at MSRP and passed. Ordered a manual loaded up 718 Cayman GTS Coupe instead. RS isn’t practical with the finicky roof and it’s too loud. Didn’t want to park it and deal with the top. $12,000 per magnesium wheel to replace it if you hit a pothole. Just a PIA it felt like. The GTS will be more fun and usable for me I decided. Don’t care about investment or collections. That’s why I buy stocks.