Which is best? Index funds or Active Mutual Funds ? | index fund in tamil | Nivas Narasimhan
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Indexfunds vs active funds
Today we will discuss whether active funds is better or passive funds,
Passive funds is called index funds,
Lets understand what is an index. In any stock exchange, say NSE OR BSE, to understand how the economy or stock market is performing an INDEX will be formed. In NSE there are 6500+ companies listed. But the overall stock market is generally lead or dominated by top 50 to 100companies because of its huge size in market capitalization and business. Because top 100companies contribute to morethan 70 of mkt cap. So in National stock exchange, there is a index called NIFTY 50 in bse its called SENSEX. IT WAS CALLED AS THE BAROMETER OF INDIAN ECONOMY. But there more indexes. Like nifty 100, nifty 500, nifty midcap 150, nifty smallcap 100, bank nifty, nifty pharma. Lets understand what is nifty 50, nse will take stock of top 75companies and they will decide based on the quality on various parameters and choose 50companies to form nifty 50. And they will change the portfolio once in six months. If a particular stock is not doing well, they will remove it from nifty 50 and they will add next performing stock. So only 2times this activity is done . so in a mutual fund, they also have nifty 50 index fund, say sbi nifty 50 index fund. They will invest in all these companies with almost the same percentage. And they will change only once in six months based on this index. That’s why its called passive funds. So what is an active fund, all other funds like, large cap fund, midcap fund or smallcap funds, they portfolio will be managed actively atleast once in a month or whenever it is required.
Now recently some of my investors, asked me pls recommend some index funds, I asked them why index funds? Then he told me anand srinivasan sir told me this. So I also watched his video. Not only him there are few other articles has come positively about index funds and negatives about index funds.
Such discussion is very good because only then we will get clarity.
So first lets understand what is the advantage of index funds,
1. Say in nifty 50, the top performing companies will have more weightage, say for reliance industries is 14.9%. but in a mutual fund, the fund cant invest morethan 10% in a stock. So the fund will miss the opportunity. the stock price moved from 867 in march to 2369. almost 300% growth. This is a positive view. The logic of investing in mutual fund is only getting higher returns, the objective is reducing the risk. Lets take the same example. In 2009 oct ril wal 537 to in 2017 517. Negative return for 8years. So, in next 1year, if Ril doesn’t perform or if it becomes negative. The first hit will be for index funds. So more weightage is a plus as well as minus.
2. Advantage for active mutual fund is , in an index fund, the portfolio will be changed only once in six months. But in actively managed funds, it will be done whenever it is required. If there is a problem in a particular company, in an actively managed fund, they can reduce the exposure or sell it fully. But in an index fund. They will do only in janor in july. By that time, the share price of that particular company would have drastically come down.
3. Next advantage is expense ratio . since it is managed by a fund manage. The fund management charge is there. But when the funds are performing better than index funds. Charges doesn’t matter.
Now lets look at why people are saying this, its because of recent things, last 1year and in the year 2018. Only In 2years out of last 10years the index has beaten the average returns of index.
So let’s see what is there in today’s performance.
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According to your presentation in last 10 years among 24 only 9 funds able to beat index Less than 50% funds. How would I know which fund will beat index in next 10 years. It's pot luck 😅 better people can use index with asset allocation and rebalancing to reduce risk in portfolio. And we don't have to worry about other funds outperforming thefund which we choose.
Most people who invest in mutual funds or index funds are doing without proper guidance. They watch social media and investing. That is Pot luck. But if you can find a good advisor who advices based on Research, your funds will be in the top 10List.
Who is that advisor?
@@AbdulKareem-gd2gs unakku Ella nottuvanga poda
@@satvivss 😂
@@AbdulKareem-gd2gs you can find someone whom you trust or can take up from the guy in this video
Thambi vaalthukal Nalla explain Pana index fund pathi I am searching about this long timr.back onwards but now only got clear idea about index and mutual fund difference
Thank you so much
Its better to invest in index funds,
the average return of Nifty 50 is 18% per year, based on last 10 year's data
Ex Nifty bees (follows nifty 50)
26.05.11 price is 55.28 (day high)
26.05.21 trading at 178.88(day high)
Which is 1.5 % per month.
If you invest 5000 per month for 20 year's on 18% per year (or 1.5 % per month)
Amount invested: ₹12,00,000
Interest : ₹1,05,17,436
Total : ₹1,17,17,436
Instead of investing active mutual fund invest in index fund if you want to beat nifty 50 index fund select midcap 50 index fund if you want to beat midcap index select small cap 50 index fund ..it is very simple to earn money in stock markt investing one needs simple logical approach
I accept your words by the same time now there is too much liquidity in international market FII & DII performance is at a rush so I would say until the liquidity becomes stable in international market not just nifty every stock in every country is gonna perform great and in india nifty will be the best.
So for 1 or 2 years index funds would be the best choice.
Don't just see this and take a decision research think and inverst.
ua-cam.com/video/SSuRUDQUdko/v-deo.html
👆This is my video I have posted in January 2021. Pls look how many active funds have beaten index in 2020.
Analysis, Presentation and content are excellent.
Thank you so much
Nice to see the video brought in more details that i was looking for
But try to make a version 2 of this with more advanced comparison and details that could help to decide even more informed.
Sure
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Thank you so much for the comments
@@nivasexcites சார் நான் டாட்டா ஸ்டீல் 105 மதிப்பில் 100 சேர் வாங்கினேன் இப்பொழுது 112 வந்துள்ளது வைத்திருக்கவா விற்றுவிட வா
@@user-yd9xp4zp2x dont sell. Invest more
@@nivasexcites பதில் அளித்ததற்கு மிக்க நன்றி சார்
When it comes to index and mutual funds US markets behaviour is totally different from indian market..there are lot of room for growth in India mutual funds when compared to Indian index. But where as in us market the case is different.
Index Funds:
Most Index funds must be having Adani group stocks holding it without selling even though they have negative news about the Adani group. In active funds fund managers have the flexibility of selling the shares earlier .
When your investment is going down because of a specific stock or more stocks you must simply watch the loss without any action. Such funds are called Index funds.
Now, do you want to invest in index funds ? 😃
First of most of the active funds don't have exposure to Adani group. They avoided because their share price is overvalued.
Thank you
24 company la Verum 9 fund thaan index fund a beat pannirukku.. Ithu less than 50%.. Ithukku namma index fund la ye pottuttu polaam.
Very nicely described with performance tables
Thank you so much
Excellent explanation!
I subscribed, liked and shared
Thank you
Finally calculate which is best
Anandsrinivasan's statment proved70 persent
If you follow his advice, you will not get good returns.
Anand sir opinion is that if you are not to actively participate or don't want to manage your fund actively ....you can select NIFTY 50.
I understand like this .
1.43 National Stock Exchange நியூ டெல்லியில் இல்லை; அதுவும் மும்பையில்தான் உள்ளது.
Thank you for correcting. Yes its a mistake.
@@nivasexcites நீங்கள் ஒரு பண்பான மனிதர். உங்கள் காணொளியில் நல்ல தகவல்கள் சொல்லியுள்ளீர்கள்.
NIFTY 50 is calculated based on free flow market capital. First study / prepare well before pointing / commenting some one.
End of the day performance matters.. Did you check the data..
For more data points.. Look this video as well ua-cam.com/video/SSuRUDQUdko/v-deo.html
நல்ல விளக்கம். நன்றிங்க.
Direct funds, Regular funds பற்றியும், mutual funds details , performance நாமே எவ்வாறு அன்றாடம் பார்த்துக் கொள்வது பற்றியும் இதே போல் எளிய காணொளி ஒன்று செய்யுங்கள்
Thank you so much
Subtract expense ratio in results😂😂😂...u forget to say about compounding of expense ratio... 10 percent in index fund is equal to 12 percent result in active funds..check with track record with dow jones
Hi Jojo, Nav is inclusive of expense ratio. The performance shown is including expense ratio. In U.S., there are thousands of Mutual fund companies, so most of the schemes cant beat index funds there. But in india, it will take a long time. In india, good number of ACTIVE FUNDS keep on beating index funds. But you should know how to choose a good fund?
Thanks for reply..yes i got ur point.. but india is moving into future and we will many index and many schemes. it is proven tat index fund comfortably beat active funds... Moreover fund manager plays vital role small mistake can change a result in active fund.. so v cn believe atleast computer allocation not in human tat too for long run of 7yrs-10yrs..
There are two choices,
1. choose index fund and forget it.
2. Choose a right advisor and get good funds.
In the first option you will save cost. Second option, you will get better returns but you will have to spend money on advisor. Either commission or direct fee. Choice is yours. When you pay money to an advisor, you have every right to question him.
Don't listen to this mutual fund sales man.
Most of the mutual funds do not best the indices that they track.
Don't belive the "choose the right fund" nonsense. If an investor knows that, they will rather buy individual stock. Also in the long term (think 20 years) there might be 10% active fund beating its index.
Also expense ratio is a killer in mutual fund.
Just not 80% index, 20% bond.. keep rebalancing every year and increase 1% higher in bond and 1% lesser in stock.
You will best all these nonsense mutual funds. These guys are there just to make money from your money
Listen to the great Warren Buffet (go look at his index vs active challenge).
Only one exception to this rule is small caps.. small caps is where active fund managers can really pick good stocks and multi baggers
I never said index fund is bad. Saying only index funds will give good returns is wrong. You can think globally like warren buffet, but you have to ACT locally. In US, there are 8000mutual fund companies in US. So there Mutual fund companies cant beat index funds. But in india, there are less AMC's. And there are quite a no of mutual funds in every category beats index funds.
Ji, one year back no restrictions for large cap fund. Nowadays,AMC must invest 100% in large cap only as per SEBI. Please don't confuse public.
As per SEBI in Large cap fund, 80% has to be Large cap. Balance 20% is for the Fund manager to decide. I'm giving clarity with Data. Who is confusing?
In india, passive funds are not penerated yet, but this will change soon. Instead of seeing past performance, we need to think of future. This s already proved in US market, stay invested in index fund and stay calm.
Passive funds cannot beat index. It will perform lower than index funds. But active funds are already beating index funds in short term and long term..
Dont you think index funds are safe bet for long term investment like 20 or 30 years. Having less expense ratio will make a huge difference. Number of funds beating the market is getting reduced year by year. Even in india its less than 50% funds beats market. If i have 2 funds, chances are one gonna beat market and other gonna fail. Atlast, even though one of our fund beats market, its of no use. As it has to compensate the other funds loss in our portfolio.
Your point is valid. But don't put all your money in index funds. Mostly people investing index funds are investing in nifty50 and Nifty next 50. In the last 15years, nifty 50 has not beaten a single midcap fund. I'm talking about index. But index funds have tracking error from 1% to 1.5% per year. Which is equivalent to expense ratio.
Sir how about hdfc index sensex plan. Ur views
After I die, put all my money in Vanguard S&P 500 index fund. John Bogle has done more for individual investors than any other person in history. - Warren Buffett.
That is in US. It will take another 50years in India.
Well explained, Sir. I have a doubt regarding Mahindra Manulife Asia Pacific REITs FOF. Is it worth investing? Will you explain Sir?
You can invest for diversification. But high risk with low return potential.
@@nivasexcites Thank you Sir for your guidance
Sir please suggest for long term investment plan...... which one is better to invest...... mutual fund or index fund?
S&P BSE 150 MidCap TRI 32.56 -0.39 1.19 11.94 13.08 34.60 90.53 15.67 19.03 18.99 16.20 vs Nifty next 50? Which one is better?
I have just started HDFC Nifty Index 50 Plan. Should I have gone for Active Large cap fund like Canara Robeco blue chip or Nippon India Large cap?
Go for Active midcap and small cap funds. Avoid Large Cap and nifty 50
@@nivasexcites I started both HDFC nifty index 50 and Quant small cap. Considering to add Midcap preferably PGIM India Midcap instead of Quant Midcap for diversification.
@@kannankarmegam-bne ok
Long term ku.....index tha best..... Mutual fund.... broker charge adhigam than ney.. ?
No. Thats a big mistake. Index funds has tracking error.. And managing directly is difficult. Invest through an advisor..
@@nivasexcites Sure sir i think about it... thank you sir 🙏
Very good explanation sir...👍
Thank you so much
Hi bro.
How are you.
I am beginner of this share market.how Should I invest and which one is the safe and best returns
Invest in blue chip fund for 5years
I already have SIP planned on nifty 50 index funds and planning for 1L lumspum investment additionally
Shall I opt fo safer index funds once again to park the money or go for higher returns equity midcap funds ? Like axis opportunities fund
Invest in Pgim India midcap fund
Active fund good performance k bro. But expense ratio deduct panitu edhula adhiga returns irukum. Active fundla 4rs earn panitu expns ratiola 3rs eduthutu 1rs return tharinga. But index fund 3rs earn panitu 1rs exons ratio poga 2rs returns kedaikum so perfrmnc mukiyama returns mukiyama bro. Active fund will help Fund mngr & Brkrs. Passive fund will help investors.
Expense ratio is not 3% in Active funds. There is tracking error in Passive funds upto 1.5%. And managing on your own has a huge cost of missed oppotunities. So invest through an advisor.
Very nice experience
Thank you so much
Hi sir...for long term which is best (25 year ) , hybrid or index and suggest a amc sir..
WhatsApp to 9994266772.. I will suggest based on your financial goals
Investing directly in nifty 50 in share market or through mutual funds, which is best? If we invest through the share market, what is the term name to purchase nifty 50 index funds?
You can invest in Mutual funds and index funds.. But invest through an advisor. Every company has 50plus schemes. So Advisor is important to avoid wrong choices.
First learn and identify your goals. Finally invest based on your own analysis. These advisors are blood suckers. They just look for their own benefits(commission).
Who do invest in index funds
You can invest in index funds... But dont put everything in index funds. Upto 20% of your investments is ok
I have a doubt sir,
Can a large cap fund easily beat index in a very long period like 20,30,40 years?
Any funds are now in market with such long track record?
Yes. You can see in the video. I have shared 10yrs data.
Invest money in index fund through bank... Online app not safe or safe..
Please advice good 5 fund I need to invest
Sir expense ratio is applied on total value not returns right, then in that case if we have less expense ratio it will easily beat 8+% returns if our index return is 7.5 right
you can withdraw anytime in mutual funds. for short term investments, invest in debt funds.
Good and clear presentation sir
Thank you Prabhu
Good explanation 👍🏻
Thank you so much
OK now a days some fund managers are currepted. In that case we will pay more fee and also loss returns right. This situation also may happen.
Index fund is meant for long term investment, active funds are meant for short term
No. Thats a wrong understanding.
@@nivasexcites ohh ok , i am in intial stage , not able understand few concepts
In your graph just take only Nifty 50 index fund , apply the expense ratio for all funds, then you will understand consisenty of Nifty index fund long term.
@@prabagaran.s1285 sir i have compared all regular funds only. Which is inclusive of expense ratio.
No fund or share will not have always high return. You need to do 1:1 comparison , but you are doing 1: many comparisons. If ppl selected wrong mutual fund 10yrs back, then gone , so active mutal fund has high risk . Nifty 50 index fund is best to invest for beginners , who don't knw share market fully , less expense ratio, no brokages firms fees. Long term return 10-12% rate .
1.Finally which one is gud to go for future base?
2.what do u think about corporate bond investment in d bank? ur suggestion n explanation
Have a diversified portfolio
1. Large cap fund
2. Midcap fund
3. Small cap fund
4. Focused fund
And switch to debt funds like corporate bond funds 2yrs before your financial goal.
@@nivasexcites oh k... Thnx
When we say long time investment, should we change funds periodically or keep it same funds for 10 - 20 years.
Instead of going with one fund, try to put your money in 2-3 funds and continue for long term
Hello sir naan 1.Parag Parikh flexi cap fund direct growth
2. Axis bluechip fund direct growth
3. DSP midcap direct plan growth
4.mirae asset emerging Bluechip fund direct growth
Intha 4 mutual funds la sip pannitu iruken 5 month ah..ithu ellam best ah sir ?
Hi Bala, pls switch Mirae asset emerging equity fund alone to Kodak emerging equity fund
@@nivasexcites mathathu ellam ok thana sir
Yes. Good selection
@@nivasexcites thank you sir 🥰
Sir intha sip la intha month pay pannalama irukalam ah.? Apdi pay pannalana ethavathu aaguma
Really super
Thank you
Sir..na icici pridendial sensex index fund direct growth la invest panirka..na yepo sir sale panradhu..na 1800 invest panirka..ipo adhu 2100 agirku..ipo sale panirlama illa hold panalama..kammi agarthuku chancee iruka sir?
Why do you want to sell.? If you want longterm growth, stay invested.. Short term corrections doesn't matter..
@@nivasexcites ok sir thank you
U r just only conparing the performances..where is the comparison of expense ratio?
This comparison includes expense ratio..i have compared with index without expense and active funds with expense. Index funds has expense plus Tracking error of 1.5% which will be morethan normal expense ratio. If you want to invest invest in Nifty 50 index not other indexes.
Groww, angel broking, icici direct intha mathiri online applications nambi invest pannalama? Recently I invest money in mutual funds via groww app, so is it safe?? Plz sollunga
It is safe. Nothing to worry..
@@nivasexcites thanks sir
Sbi blue chip and sbi hybrid equity fund this fund give better income for long time ?
Sir invest based on your goals. Both are good funds only. Pls take advise from your advisor. Or To invest in funds based on your goals WhatsApp to 9994266772
@@nivasexcites I am invest long term for child marriage can I invest below three fund for long term .1 sbi blue chip 2.sbi equity hybird growth fund 3 hdfc mid cap opportunity fund all each 1000 investing .pls suggest. I don't have any adviors.
@@malar827 WhatsApp me at 9994266772 for more details
Sir, please tell me how to learn this business.i don't anything about this
Thank you sir
My pleasure Krishnakumar
One of the big risk- “Fund manager risk” is not in the Index funds.
And you are saying active funds can mitigate risk. 😁
Thats why you should identify a good advisor. Choose either A SEBI registered advisor or a mutual fund distributor. Investing direct or index funds without guidance is a huge risk.
@@nivasexcites
If index is huge risk, then active funds(only few which could beat the benchmark) might be little(just a little) less risk than index funds.
For a common man’s long term investment, index will always be a better option.
Tested and certified by most of the honest financial advisors.
@@gopikrishnanjayaraman1550 To invest in index funds why you need a financial advisor.
@@nivasexcites I didnt said that.. 😁
Not interested in arguments.. ✌🏽peace.
@@gopikrishnanjayaraman1550 peace
Hi sir if I am stopped sip after lock in period then also my advisor will get commission?
Yes. As long as funds are there in advisor code, advisor will get commission.
@@nivasexcites thanks
Sir I am just 18 which plan is best for me...I am interested in index funds sir....pls tell sir and can I invest through banks coz I am afraid of apps
I want to invest SIP in mutual fund.. 5000 Rs.. Entha fund best ah irukum long term ku.. 5 years apo.. Ku..
Invest in blue chip fund and midcap fund
@@nivasexcites especially ethachum fund name mention pannunga bro.. DSP, sbi, ICICI...
@@maheshkannan7711 pgim midcap and Canara Robeco Bluechip
Thank you for your feedback bro.. 👍
இல்ல தலைவா எங்க middle-class CA என்ன சொல்றாரு நா long term kku nifty best அதாவது 20 to 25 வருசத்துக்கு . ஆனால் நீங்க சொல்றது short term kku
Nanbare.. I respect him. He is educating lot of people. But you should not believe whatever he is saying is right. In November last year, stock market in bubble & it will fall. Nifty was around 12000. So many investors redeemed their MF and shares. Now look where it is now.
Good presentation...👍
Thank you so much
Sir
Plz suggest best mutual fund to invest for 10years sip
canara robeco bluechip equity fund
Kotak emerging equity fund
Nifty index fund
Sir out 24 only 9 founds thaan beat pannie irukaa. Appo expense ratio adgam irukara naala namakku loss aagadha
Bro...your all videos are echoing... Try to put clear audio by cancelling echo...
Sure.. Thank you so much
Yes
But expense ratio consider panni stats irunthiruntha nalla irukum
This is including Expense Ratio
Hai sir good morning. Index fund la best fund active or passive. Iam beniger so index fund details pls help me sir
initial years of investing, invest through an advisor in active funds.
Nice.
Thank you sir
very nice and informative.. Neatly explained!
Thank you so much
Sir naa oru 15years monthly sip pannalaamnu erukkan …index fund or mutual funds ethu best ah erukkum ? Kindly reply
Choose Midcap mutual funds. Avoid index funds
@@nivasexcites thank u sir
@@nivasexcites sir naa small cap la rendu mid cap la rendu large cap la rendu index fund la rendu stock nu monthly monthly sip pannatumaa ethu best ah erukkumaa ?
Well explained sir
Most welcome
😊🤝🙏
Active fund super
Thank you
Hai sir good morning. Iam beniger so index fund details pls help me sir. Sip la monthly how much amount pls
if you are a beginner, invest through an advisor in mutual funds. once you learn then you can invest on your own in index or direct funds. even you can invest 100rs per month. but it will not be enough for your goals.
Sbi blue chip fund is nifty 50 fund ha ilaiya?
No. Its a large cap fund which has stocks from Nifty 50, nifty next 50 and few midcap stocks.
Tks for your reply.hdfc midcap opportunity fund also not nifty 50 catagory.
@@malar827 that is Nifty midcap 150
Just buy s&p 500 fund of Motilal Oswal leave it
Investopedia: Limitations of the S&P 500 Index
One of the limitations to the S&P and other indexes that are market-cap weighted arises when stocks in the index become overvalued meaning they rise higher than their fundamentals warrant. If a stock has a heavy weighting in the index while being overvalued, the stock typically inflates the overall value or price of the index.
A rising market cap of a company isn't necessarily indicative of a company's fundamentals, but rather it reflects the stock's increase in value relative to shares outstanding. As a result, equal-weighted indexes have become increasingly popular whereby each company's stock price movements have an equal impact on the index.
Sir , middle agers ku endha plan set agum
Sir first decide what is your investment goal.
Child education or marriage or your retirement? Then plan accordingly..
First time investor ku index crct or wrong?
Index funds is a good investment option. No doubt. But there are people who say, 'only index funds will give high returns' is wrong. There are funds which consistently beat index funds.
I accept your words by the same time now there is too much liquidity in international market FII & DII performance is at a rush so I would say until the liquidity becomes stable in international market not just nifty every stock in every country is gonna perform great and in india nifty will be the best.
So for 1 or 2 years index funds would be the best choice.
Don't just see this and take a decision research think and inverst.
Index is always best idhelllam weaste
Index Funds VS Actively Managed Funds underperform ratio is 1: 2 in global, I don't think we can always select correct active founds.
Your Ratio is Right..Do you know how many mutual fund Companies in US. 4500 companies. That is why they can't beat index. In India around 40AMC's only. In the last 15years, all the Midcap funds has beaten Nifty50 index
@@nivasexcites u should compare large funds😅😆not a mid cap fund..
@@nivasexcites we have to compare apples with apples. Compare largecap fund with nifty50 tri. Compare midcap funds with midcap150 tri index
He is a MFD/MFA (Mutual Fund Distributor/Advisor), what else can you expect?
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அதனால் ஆனந்த sir பத்தி நீங்க பேச வேண்டாம்....
Avaroda advice Kettu invest pannavanga yarum happy ya illa.. they are calling me for advice. He knows economy and basics. But he don't know behavioural finance.
Sir kindly reply is there any possible to start these businesses from abroad...
What business you want to start
அந்தாளு oru Negativananda..fully negative mindset..anthaalu solli onnum nadanthathu illa
Index funds are considered only due to Low cost. But performance can't be matched with most of the Active mutual funds
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Nivas@excitemutual.in
Nsc dheli la iruka 🤣🤣 bro nega economic padichigala illa ca va????? Bsc nd nsc located in Mumbai..
Yes thats a mistake. I accept. But the purpose of the video is not that. Hope you learned something in the video..
Sorry for my comment it's just for fun...
Ennaku oru doubt iruku sir,unga mail id solluga sir, na adhuku mail pandran
Nivas@excitemutual.in