Ive played a fair amount of Warrior flex lately especially in those contested fast 8 type lobbies and honestly the Kat buffs make Warriors so much more stable sounding while you wait for Gwen 2. Item hold Kat could actually get you through a lot of tough fights in stage 4 now.
The problem with Rakan is the exact problem Mort has talked about for not liking drain tanks in the past: It's a pure DPS check. Do enough damage to overcome the healing? Great, they're a fraud unit. Can't? Well, you legit can't possibly kill it. Normally tanks you can at least, theoretically, chip them down, unless you've got specific artifacts for example, but drain tanks just invalidate that. In Rakan's case, they offloaded the "drain" part to Kalist, further exaggerating the problem because hee could just build full tank items (While getting a free tank item) and kalista would build full ramp up, so the longer you went without killing Rakan, the worse it gets. I get the experiment they went for, but every single iteration of drain tanks has ALWAYS felt this way. Hell, Corrupted Vamp Scepter WW is another example of this, except he also did damage. Also side note for anyone that cares about 5.5: The 10 sentinel buff was needed because 10 sentinel was often a downgrade, as if an assassin or anything for that matter got to your lucian backline, his shield would bounce away nearly instantly meaning he'd just get sniped. Same with Akshan, as he'd swing into danger, shield would bounce away, and often times get instantly targeted and die.
Imo they messed up by moving the item to 5 fairy. Frost is unplayable unless you have 7 frost. Eldritch is unplayable unless you have 7 Eldritch. portal is unplayable unless you have 8 portal. all the other large verticals require finding the legendary or having a spat. if you don't have either, you bleed out during stage 4.
@@chromejerome9809 agreed, or go for a zhonyas arti just to make sure you get to ascension otherwise warmogs as you said or stoneplate decent choice too
On fairy, I think they’re kinda just stuck by the trait design at this point. Because we used to have the issue of crown not being worth it, so people never went above 2/3 fairy. So for vertical fairy to exist, crown must have some power to it. But fairy needs a nerf, so your options are either nerf Rakan, Kalista, or armor. I think Rakan makes the most sense since preservers are already strong and no comps really need Rakan besides fairy rn. But Kalista is important for multi strikers and an armor nerf would likely just make Fairy 5 unviable completely.
I don't agree with this take. More than half the comps in the game run preservers, but they can't utilise Rakan because the unit without Faeries is soo weak. Rakan is barely picked with Karma comps and unpicked on the rest. One more nerf and Kalista players would just play Arcana instead. But the rest of the players who miss their tank and hit Rakan 2 go bot 2 instantly.
@@LeMisteranthat’s my point though. Since Rakan already doesn’t get run in many comps besides fairy, it does the least harm to the current meta to hit him to nerf fairy. They’re trying not to shake up the meta too much for competitive, so I think this is the best option for the current state of things.
@@sknight43so since he's already weak outside faeries, you think it's better to make him weaker, further exacerbating the problem? Is the goal to send rakan into irrelevancy?
@confusedguy996 I agree with you. When someone rolls down, they often hit only 1 tank 2*. And if they are flexible enough they can utilise that tank until they hit their final board. But NOW, the player who hits Rakan 2 and doesn't see TK or Nasus or Taric goes straight up 8th. This is neither safe nore healthy for a competitive game.
@@confusedguy996it’s not ideal but there aren’t many other options this late into the set with the patch being for worlds. They don’t want to flip the meta, so keeping Rakan irrelevant outside of fairy (which he already is) and hitting vertical fairy without making it unviable is the best of a bad situation
I beat Sentinel 10 w/ 3-star lucian using vertical redeemed with 3-star Velkoz. Only reason I won it is because the shield expired the moment Velkoz hit the Lucian 💀
@@womenplsdmme yeah, wish they had made this change earlier in the patch so we could enjoy more options for stacking champions. Warwick was always “get vampiric scepter and you win the game” now he’s useless and you’re playing for 4th everytime you play him. Edit: I say I wish earlier so they could actually buff ww to a viable spot, instead of giving him a token buff that really doesn’t make him any more viable because they fear it would shake worlds up too much.
WW is 4th with normal comps and top 2 with special comps. I have seen too many WWs without Scepter go top 2 in Master to Challenger lobbies that I don't get the sentiment that WW is bad
Ive played a fair amount of Warrior flex lately especially in those contested fast 8 type lobbies and honestly the Kat buffs make Warriors so much more stable sounding while you wait for Gwen 2. Item hold Kat could actually get you through a lot of tough fights in stage 4 now.
The problem with Rakan is the exact problem Mort has talked about for not liking drain tanks in the past: It's a pure DPS check. Do enough damage to overcome the healing? Great, they're a fraud unit. Can't? Well, you legit can't possibly kill it. Normally tanks you can at least, theoretically, chip them down, unless you've got specific artifacts for example, but drain tanks just invalidate that.
In Rakan's case, they offloaded the "drain" part to Kalist, further exaggerating the problem because hee could just build full tank items (While getting a free tank item) and kalista would build full ramp up, so the longer you went without killing Rakan, the worse it gets.
I get the experiment they went for, but every single iteration of drain tanks has ALWAYS felt this way. Hell, Corrupted Vamp Scepter WW is another example of this, except he also did damage.
Also side note for anyone that cares about 5.5: The 10 sentinel buff was needed because 10 sentinel was often a downgrade, as if an assassin or anything for that matter got to your lucian backline, his shield would bounce away nearly instantly meaning he'd just get sniped. Same with Akshan, as he'd swing into danger, shield would bounce away, and often times get instantly targeted and die.
Imo they messed up by moving the item to 5 fairy. Frost is unplayable unless you have 7 frost. Eldritch
is unplayable unless you have 7 Eldritch. portal is unplayable unless you have 8 portal. all the other large verticals require finding the legendary or having a spat. if you don't have either, you bleed out during stage 4.
When is this live?
I was already playing Warwick without artifacts and doing ok with him, if I get one of his BIS items early.
ppl sleep on swain Innervating Locket it can usually solo carry fights
you get innervating locket and a talisman of ascension on that bad boy and you become unkillable, warmogs armor good 3rd item.
@@chromejerome9809 agreed, or go for a zhonyas arti just to make sure you get to ascension otherwise warmogs as you said or stoneplate decent choice too
On fairy, I think they’re kinda just stuck by the trait design at this point. Because we used to have the issue of crown not being worth it, so people never went above 2/3 fairy. So for vertical fairy to exist, crown must have some power to it.
But fairy needs a nerf, so your options are either nerf Rakan, Kalista, or armor. I think Rakan makes the most sense since preservers are already strong and no comps really need Rakan besides fairy rn. But Kalista is important for multi strikers and an armor nerf would likely just make Fairy 5 unviable completely.
I don't agree with this take.
More than half the comps in the game run preservers, but they can't utilise Rakan because the unit without Faeries is soo weak.
Rakan is barely picked with Karma comps and unpicked on the rest. One more nerf and Kalista players would just play Arcana instead.
But the rest of the players who miss their tank and hit Rakan 2 go bot 2 instantly.
@@LeMisteranthat’s my point though. Since Rakan already doesn’t get run in many comps besides fairy, it does the least harm to the current meta to hit him to nerf fairy. They’re trying not to shake up the meta too much for competitive, so I think this is the best option for the current state of things.
@@sknight43so since he's already weak outside faeries, you think it's better to make him weaker, further exacerbating the problem? Is the goal to send rakan into irrelevancy?
@confusedguy996 I agree with you.
When someone rolls down, they often hit only 1 tank 2*. And if they are flexible enough they can utilise that tank until they hit their final board.
But NOW, the player who hits Rakan 2 and doesn't see TK or Nasus or Taric goes straight up 8th.
This is neither safe nore healthy for a competitive game.
@@confusedguy996it’s not ideal but there aren’t many other options this late into the set with the patch being for worlds. They don’t want to flip the meta, so keeping Rakan irrelevant outside of fairy (which he already is) and hitting vertical fairy without making it unviable is the best of a bad situation
I use nilah for early pyro emblem
Assassins tools was very funny with hecarim lol. The guy becomes dragon ball character with those items.
Assassins tools??
@@yaboirairaiprobably a mistranslation for “prowler’s claw”
I beat Sentinel 10 w/ 3-star lucian using vertical redeemed with 3-star Velkoz. Only reason I won it is because the shield expired the moment Velkoz hit the Lucian 💀
Time to spam chrono olaf
Can they just rework Tristana atp
Too late in the set for that, expect some crazy buffs after world's patch for fun
I'll miss treasure golem.
But WW is still completely useless as a unit
vampiric scepter?
@@nitro2199 its removed now brother that's why he's useless
@@womenplsdmme ah havnt got to that part yet
@@womenplsdmme yeah, wish they had made this change earlier in the patch so we could enjoy more options for stacking champions. Warwick was always “get vampiric scepter and you win the game” now he’s useless and you’re playing for 4th everytime you play him.
Edit: I say I wish earlier so they could actually buff ww to a viable spot, instead of giving him a token buff that really doesn’t make him any more viable because they fear it would shake worlds up too much.
WW is 4th with normal comps and top 2 with special comps. I have seen too many WWs without Scepter go top 2 in Master to Challenger lobbies that I don't get the sentiment that WW is bad