Gabor we dwarfs have to uphold all old laws, and because my clan betrayed that I want to leave, wait you want to uphold an old law in your own country that was put changed by the occupier, well lass we need to part ways.
As seen in the Witcher 3, one of the few good things about the black ones, is that they really don’t care who or what you are, they are cruel and cold to you all the same, unlike the church of the eternal fire and Radovid who are just pyrophiliacs that take advantage of the fear born from ignorance to control people. I’m not saying the black ones are good or even necessarily a required evil, it’s clear they are excessively cruel. It’s just that even the villains and enemies can have point in war. The merchant though by aiding the queen that they could earn her favor, and they were right, they got her gratitude and respect, but not her blind service. If it were known that the queen wouldn’t have removed the reforms, they would have just sat back and watched the slaughter. That’s it. Plus, I’m curious, to what detriment are these “reforms” to the merchants? Do they require them to hire non humans specifically? Because I cannot imagine the black ones caring enough to include such a requirement and instead just stated “everyone” must work or something like that. Were the merchants actually losing real profit or were they simply irritated that the they could no longer turn away non humans based on race alone, and instead had to actually justify not hiring them to the black ones. So when they laughed at the fact the merchants had no real cause, the merchant had to bite their tongue and accept the fact that they would be working with people they did not like. Well, welcome to reality and the great thing that is a progressing economy. (You would think the merchant would be elated, they would be selling the wares and profiting, could they not see the mountain of gold because they were distracted by the itch they could not scratch?🤔)
Sorry for the rants on here, I just wanted to vent a few ideas to empty out my thoughts. Same with the “mercy” issue in the game’s beginning, small acts do real good. Personally, I think these acts pale in comparison to leaving Barnabas in that village to help the economy grow, that is real progress with a great impact!
I mean non-humans were actively helping black clads win the war in form of the Francesca Findabair who allied with Emperor Emhyr var Emreis and also scoia'tael who were paid of in many areas by Nilfgaardian operatives. Nilfgaard look at the weaknesses of the Northern Kingdoms and exploited them for their own benefit.
Indeed, but these rules were in place before the black ones came so it was more an issue of were the policies better before or after, and many non-human didn’t even want to be apart of this conflict, like Brohover and the dwarves. Plus, more help likely came from traitorous humans like Caldwell and the other nobles that were paid out to work for them. Ultimately, this decision is irrelevant in the grand scheme of this game’s history, but it’s an interesting one. Were the merchant trying to protect their own interests purely for their profits margins or were they annoyed with the new rules for acting toward non-humans? The former is logical, the latter is wasteful. A merchant should only be interested in their livelihood, not to say they can be beyond that, but it’s kind of weird for them to reinforce their one “self-imposed” limitations. It’s like bard that refuses to sing or even talk to certain audiences or groups, there is value in exclusiveness based on the political and social demographics, but in this case it’s seems and is probably meant to be more a choice between rewarding the merchants for their surprising aid or sticking to principle. (It’s funny though, she is the queen, and they only just met, she is actually can not even reward them for that, like at Brohover, he said the very same, “no one asked you to help.”) Regardless, a great example of both professions acting in the opposite direction on my examples is Dandelion and that Painting/Photographer merchant in the The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine DLC, the former sees everyone and is more in trouble for his relationships with women than judging stations/people/creeds and the merchant, while he doesn’t like the clientele his sells to, he chooses to put pride aside for the sake of his trade. Both exist but it’s always curious to see which method works in the right climate. Personally, this whole conversation isn’t too important, but I just find discussions to be interesting, small things and plots debating and leading to bigger concepts and grander discussions of philosophy. This was nice, thank you for responding @Tyanus2!
@@christopherbulovas5547 First of all you are a chad for replying after so long great respect! Second I do strongly agree with you that Witcher universe is very intresting when it comes to moral dilemmas and how it depicts different sides, I mean elves especially have a hard time, their cities either in ruins or userped for so long that humans don't even know that they were built on them, and those elves that are alive and escaped live their lifes in barren mountains, with their younglings not even knowing about the better days, with only despair, anger and disgrace to fill their hearts, rather than what their culture was about so love, art and virtue, those bad emotions is leading them to fight humans in fights they can't win leading to further ruination of their civilisation. Third of all, Caldwell was allied with Nilfgard so it's an extension of what I talked about, but I do agree with you that those merchants acted in self inteterest, I guess they didn't want to compete with non-human traders which would lead to loss of customers, also I think your words about the painter are really insightful. Thanks again! christopherbulovas
Gabor we dwarfs have to uphold all old laws, and because my clan betrayed that I want to leave, wait you want to uphold an old law in your own country that was put changed by the occupier, well lass we need to part ways.
🙂At least Rayla won't leave if you choose keep the law.
As seen in the Witcher 3, one of the few good things about the black ones, is that they really don’t care who or what you are, they are cruel and cold to you all the same, unlike the church of the eternal fire and Radovid who are just pyrophiliacs that take advantage of the fear born from ignorance to control people. I’m not saying the black ones are good or even necessarily a required evil, it’s clear they are excessively cruel. It’s just that even the villains and enemies can have point in war. The merchant though by aiding the queen that they could earn her favor, and they were right, they got her gratitude and respect, but not her blind service. If it were known that the queen wouldn’t have removed the reforms, they would have just sat back and watched the slaughter. That’s it. Plus, I’m curious, to what detriment are these “reforms” to the merchants? Do they require them to hire non humans specifically? Because I cannot imagine the black ones caring enough to include such a requirement and instead just stated “everyone” must work or something like that. Were the merchants actually losing real profit or were they simply irritated that the they could no longer turn away non humans based on race alone, and instead had to actually justify not hiring them to the black ones. So when they laughed at the fact the merchants had no real cause, the merchant had to bite their tongue and accept the fact that they would be working with people they did not like. Well, welcome to reality and the great thing that is a progressing economy. (You would think the merchant would be elated, they would be selling the wares and profiting, could they not see the mountain of gold because they were distracted by the itch they could not scratch?🤔)
Sorry for the rants on here, I just wanted to vent a few ideas to empty out my thoughts. Same with the “mercy” issue in the game’s beginning, small acts do real good. Personally, I think these acts pale in comparison to leaving Barnabas in that village to help the economy grow, that is real progress with a great impact!
I mean non-humans were actively helping black clads win the war in form of the Francesca Findabair who allied with Emperor Emhyr var Emreis and also scoia'tael who were paid of in many areas by Nilfgaardian operatives. Nilfgaard look at the weaknesses of the Northern Kingdoms and exploited them for their own benefit.
Indeed, but these rules were in place before the black ones came so it was more an issue of were the policies better before or after, and many non-human didn’t even want to be apart of this conflict, like Brohover and the dwarves. Plus, more help likely came from traitorous humans like Caldwell and the other nobles that were paid out to work for them. Ultimately, this decision is irrelevant in the grand scheme of this game’s history, but it’s an interesting one. Were the merchant trying to protect their own interests purely for their profits margins or were they annoyed with the new rules for acting toward non-humans? The former is logical, the latter is wasteful. A merchant should only be interested in their livelihood, not to say they can be beyond that, but it’s kind of weird for them to reinforce their one “self-imposed” limitations. It’s like bard that refuses to sing or even talk to certain audiences or groups, there is value in exclusiveness based on the political and social demographics, but in this case it’s seems and is probably meant to be more a choice between rewarding the merchants for their surprising aid or sticking to principle. (It’s funny though, she is the queen, and they only just met, she is actually can not even reward them for that, like at Brohover, he said the very same, “no one asked you to help.”) Regardless, a great example of both professions acting in the opposite direction on my examples is Dandelion and that Painting/Photographer merchant in the The Witcher 3 Blood and Wine DLC, the former sees everyone and is more in trouble for his relationships with women than judging stations/people/creeds and the merchant, while he doesn’t like the clientele his sells to, he chooses to put pride aside for the sake of his trade. Both exist but it’s always curious to see which method works in the right climate. Personally, this whole conversation isn’t too important, but I just find discussions to be interesting, small things and plots debating and leading to bigger concepts and grander discussions of philosophy. This was nice, thank you for responding @Tyanus2!
@@christopherbulovas5547 First of all you are a chad for replying after so long great respect!
Second I do strongly agree with you that Witcher universe is very intresting when it comes to moral dilemmas and how it depicts different sides, I mean elves especially have a hard time, their cities either in ruins or userped for so long that humans don't even know that they were built on them, and those elves that are alive and escaped live their lifes in barren mountains, with their younglings not even knowing about the better days, with only despair, anger and disgrace to fill their hearts, rather than what their culture was about so love, art and virtue, those bad emotions is leading them to fight humans in fights they can't win leading to further ruination of their civilisation.
Third of all, Caldwell was allied with Nilfgard so it's an extension of what I talked about, but I do agree with you that those merchants acted in self inteterest, I guess they didn't want to compete with non-human traders which would lead to loss of customers, also I think your words about the painter are really insightful.
Thanks again! christopherbulovas
@@Tyanus2 happy to talk my friend😎👍🏻
I killed Gabbor, so it won't make any difference
Lazy Potato Yeah, but you don’t get the best outcome for non-humans, just somewhere in the middle.
@@nhnhnhnhnh Fuck non-humans
@@AntiXaldin
you like 'em so much you want to have se with them? damn dude XD