I love how you expose an audience to ACTUAL Hollywood knowledge when that audience mostly is accustomed to "UA-camrs" only. On top, you seem to be a genuinely likeable dude to be around!
Good points there. Another angle to approach the over exposed with the FP is to use the Highlight Recovery option In the RAW tab, and then use the Highlight slider (in the RAW not the log/dials) to bring the highlights down. Works like a charm. And you may recover load of footage that may thought was not usable 😊
I agree with this and was surprised Justin didn’t use or mention it. I’ve been really impressed with highlight recovery when experimenting with my extremely finicky magic lantern setup. I’m sure he has a reason. I’d love to know. I learned a lot about underexposing though and will remember this
Thank you for exposing the fact that sigma bakes in +16 Green tint if you don’t shoot raw. It’s silly because their lenses render pretty green as well 😅
Excellent approach to find the sweet spot. I always now use a handheld light meter with a Color Checker to measure and validate what light exposure is really doing on a sensor VS what the Histogram is displaying. Because, once I got caught out by a lying histogram, which blew our fair skin tones.
When you use the Camera Raw Davinci, BlackmagicFilm Color Space & Blackmagic Gamma & use Highlight Recovery you get much more space for highlight recovery, False-color of the FP shows the real exposure where the waveform is extreme overexpose clipping......BlackmagicFilm Color Space & Blackmagic Gamma is maybe the way to go...... ?!
I think i know what is going on with the tint metadata. Since the FP was exposed at 0 on the scale, resolve is 'correcting' for a d60 color space when in reality the CDNG color space is DCI, in other-words it seems like a software level issue.
Do you always use the d60 instead of the black magic. Black magic converts it to its log. I don’t know if that help the image at all but It looks like there’s more flexibility that way. Also there is a check box called highlight recovery that you didn’t use in the video. Was curious why you didn’t on the over exposed shots?
yea, feel free to experiment! The first time through i just wanted to try to get as close as possible to actual fp metadata. Re: Highlight Recovery, i found sometimes it burns the highlights a little too much to my liking. But not in all scenarios.
Would using linear gamma in the raw tab and converting to sRGB have a similar result? I get pretty confused with conforming footage to it's optimal baseline for correcting/ grading
Also, I'm afraid that with the Sigma FP this test needs to be performed also at 800 ISO, where you have the most even distribution between headroom and legroom, but that's just my opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Kyle below is correct, i did everything as outlined in the ASC Manual. But i also don't agree with the ISO 800 idea, because, that is not true in the case of the fp. If you had a camera with a base ISO of an 800, sure, that logic would be correct. But as you can see from this test, ISO 800 is technically "over-exposing" the camera by 3 stops. OR, depending on the lighting, "under-exposing" by 2 stops (considering the second base native ISO of 3200). Hope that makes sense
@@JustinPhillip I agree regarding the ISO 800 theory. After using the camera for a while, I have a suspicion that at ISO 800, the FP is pulling the gain two stops under the second base ISO of 3200. Could be wrong, I'm a run and gun shooter, so I base my conclusions by chasing available light.
Just an idea: I don't really think I can get the most out of a Patreon subscription, but if I can venmo, etc. you a coffee once in a while, I will gladly do that!
It's all good! Check out my Links page for 1:1's I offer, as well as my Gear List; or there's even a simple "Buy Me a Coffee" link! LOL, but honestly, even a like and a share helps out a bunch as well! Or even just the view! Thanks!
@@JustinPhillip I realized I wanted to sign up for a PPA membership and saw you have a referral link. But their website requires me to search you by first name and last name in their database for the referral to work. You don't come up as Justin Phillip, what name can I search you under at PPA for the referral? Thanks!
We have such a concept "Woe from Wit", this is the name of a work of art and an ironic phrase for situations where the simple is very difficult to achieve. I thought this was your case. A lot of unnecessary advertising and a sad result in its implementation. fp is a very fun, comfortable and responsive camera, with excellent exposure metering and not always needed raw. I'm afraid that your video detracts from creativity, turning it into a digital routine with an unnatural skin color, no matter what the software says).
@@JustinPhillip, Trying to understand) But it's not enough to say how good it is, it's not radio. Looked carefully at the result, including segments of your posted clips. In the tests, I was little interested in the manipulation of the shadow in the presence of very different skin color on the hands. Were both hands yours? You are not the first with the tests. If the stars are lit, it means someone needs it. That's what Vladimir Mayakovsky wrote. It's a mystery to me what prevents people from properly exposing without wasting time on something like this. The manufacturer has given everything for that... For your work with sigma fp - of course thank you.
Let's not overthink it. It goes without saying that this video is not a creative exercise; rather, it is an explanation of how someone can use the science outlined by members of the American Society of Cinematographers to his or her advantage. It's about the artist getting control over his tools.
@@johndentino, What kind of control can we talk about at this level of the picture? I do not want to upset the author, he worked hard, but the result is doubtful. In general - it is worth trusting your eyes, and not just your ears ...
@@UriRa Justin is indeed using his eyes and his aesthetic judgment, in addition to a light meter and scopes, throughout the video. It has to be a combination of the subjective and the objective.
Hi Justin!!!! Do you still have no problem with grasshopper noise with this case-protocol? How did the problem go after all? What are you using the sigma fp with now???
As an FP user and freelance videographer, your content has been so unbelievably helpful. Signing up for your patreon now!
Wow! thank you so much! The Patreon is definitely the blood-line of this channel and a very unique experience
I love how you expose an audience to ACTUAL Hollywood knowledge when that audience mostly is accustomed to "UA-camrs" only. On top, you seem to be a genuinely likeable dude to be around!
Good points there. Another angle to approach the over exposed with the FP is to use the Highlight Recovery option In the RAW tab, and then use the Highlight slider (in the RAW not the log/dials) to bring the highlights down. Works like a charm. And you may recover load of footage that may thought was not usable 😊
I agree with this and was surprised Justin didn’t use or mention it. I’ve been really impressed with highlight recovery when experimenting with my extremely finicky magic lantern setup. I’m sure he has a reason. I’d love to know. I learned a lot about underexposing though and will remember this
Thank you for exposing the fact that sigma bakes in +16 Green tint if you don’t shoot raw. It’s silly because their lenses render pretty green as well 😅
Absolutely mind-blowing test!!! My FP just wanna say thank you ☺️😂
Great tutorial, Justin. Many thanks for sharing this with us (a subscriber here since long time ago). You definitively have a gift for teaching …👍
I appreciate that!
Excellent approach to find the sweet spot. I always now use a handheld light meter with a Color Checker to measure and validate what light exposure is really doing on a sensor VS what the Histogram is displaying. Because, once I got caught out by a lying histogram, which blew our fair skin tones.
Great video - thanks!
im a photographer but i do videos for my family and my gf who dances. its amazing to see a person so passionate about their craft
When you use the Camera Raw Davinci, BlackmagicFilm Color Space & Blackmagic Gamma & use Highlight Recovery you get much more space for highlight recovery, False-color of the FP shows the real exposure where the waveform is extreme overexpose clipping......BlackmagicFilm Color Space & Blackmagic Gamma is maybe the way to go...... ?!
yeah maybe so, compare the two
Searching for SIGMA FP now. Also I emailed you something. Keep posting KNOWLEDGEABLE notes. Much Appreciated!!
After looking at this test? Why would you choose the fp?
Another great one Justin👍
Thank you Justin for sharing your amazing knowledge and skills with us 😎⛩🎬🎥
I think i know what is going on with the tint metadata. Since the FP was exposed at 0 on the scale, resolve is 'correcting' for a d60 color space when in reality the CDNG color space is DCI, in other-words it seems like a software level issue.
Please do komodo! As a Komodo owner, I'd love to see this test.
Nice job man 👌🏻
Test on Red Komodo, pleaseeeeeee ..... Thanks, Justin !
Love you dude. You're make it the way it should be
Thanks for this! Would like to see the Komodo tests if you have time for that!
Coming soon!
Do more this tests! Komodo, Sony alpha, Panasonic, BM.
And show us how iso works in different sensors.
Thank you!!!! Most helpful. I love my Sigma FP
You're welcome!
I would love to see this test with the Komodo
A simple question, would that annual subscription in the ASC allow me to get the manual as well as other versions or just the magasin versions
No the book costs $100 whether your subscribed or not
Do you always use the d60 instead of the black magic. Black magic converts it to its log. I don’t know if that help the image at all but It looks like there’s more flexibility that way. Also there is a check box called highlight recovery that you didn’t use in the video. Was curious why you didn’t on the over exposed shots?
yea, feel free to experiment! The first time through i just wanted to try to get as close as possible to actual fp metadata. Re: Highlight Recovery, i found sometimes it burns the highlights a little too much to my liking. But not in all scenarios.
I also tend to prefer selecting Black Magic in the raw tab… it seems like it gives the footage more flexibility
Are you using Adobe premier pro for this test?
@17:30 when tint is zeroed the image displayed becomes greener - opposite of the explanation given
Its all subjective,
With the sigma fp how high quality with a crap out of my photo be if I cropped out apart at the photo instead of the whole
Would using linear gamma in the raw tab and converting to sRGB have a similar result? I get pretty confused with conforming footage to it's optimal baseline for correcting/ grading
easiest way to find out is just compare the two
This is incredibly useful, thank you. What would be your process for a show LUT using the Sigma FP? Is it even possible in your opinion?
Also, I'm afraid that with the Sigma FP this test needs to be performed also at 800 ISO, where you have the most even distribution between headroom and legroom, but that's just my opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong.
@@nonameexpdng He's going by the book.
Kyle below is correct, i did everything as outlined in the ASC Manual. But i also don't agree with the ISO 800 idea, because, that is not true in the case of the fp. If you had a camera with a base ISO of an 800, sure, that logic would be correct. But as you can see from this test, ISO 800 is technically "over-exposing" the camera by 3 stops. OR, depending on the lighting, "under-exposing" by 2 stops (considering the second base native ISO of 3200). Hope that makes sense
@@JustinPhillip This makes perfect sense, thank you
@@JustinPhillip I agree regarding the ISO 800 theory. After using the camera for a while, I have a suspicion that at ISO 800, the FP is pulling the gain two stops under the second base ISO of 3200. Could be wrong, I'm a run and gun shooter, so I base my conclusions by chasing available light.
moretests❤
Just an idea: I don't really think I can get the most out of a Patreon subscription, but if I can venmo, etc. you a coffee once in a while, I will gladly do that!
It's all good! Check out my Links page for 1:1's I offer, as well as my Gear List; or there's even a simple "Buy Me a Coffee" link! LOL, but honestly, even a like and a share helps out a bunch as well! Or even just the view! Thanks!
@@JustinPhillip I realized I wanted to sign up for a PPA membership and saw you have a referral link. But their website requires me to search you by first name and last name in their database for the referral to work. You don't come up as Justin Phillip, what name can I search you under at PPA for the referral? Thanks!
Shoot me DM on instagram : instagram.com/kiddtech
what is the book?
The ASC manual
Where can we see your reel?
Cheers
Website.
How can dare talk to us about complete newbies as Richard Crudo ? He does have any tripod for his productions.
We have such a concept "Woe from Wit", this is the name of a work of art and an ironic phrase for situations where the simple is very difficult to achieve. I thought this was your case. A lot of unnecessary advertising and a sad result in its implementation. fp is a very fun, comfortable and responsive camera, with excellent exposure metering and not always needed raw. I'm afraid that your video detracts from creativity, turning it into a digital routine with an unnatural skin color, no matter what the software says).
It’s ALL subjective. You missed the entire point.
@@JustinPhillip, Trying to understand)
But it's not enough to say how good it is, it's not radio. Looked carefully at the result, including segments of your posted clips.
In the tests, I was little interested in the manipulation of the shadow in the presence of very different skin color on the hands.
Were both hands yours?
You are not the first with the tests.
If the stars are lit, it means someone needs it. That's what Vladimir Mayakovsky wrote.
It's a mystery to me what prevents people from properly exposing without wasting time on something like this. The manufacturer has given everything for that...
For your work with sigma fp - of course thank you.
Let's not overthink it. It goes without saying that this video is not a creative exercise; rather, it is an explanation of how someone can use the science outlined by members of the American Society of Cinematographers to his or her advantage. It's about the artist getting control over his tools.
@@johndentino, What kind of control can we talk about at this level of the picture?
I do not want to upset the author, he worked hard, but the result is doubtful. In general - it is worth trusting your eyes, and not just your ears ...
@@UriRa Justin is indeed using his eyes and his aesthetic judgment, in addition to a light meter and scopes, throughout the video. It has to be a combination of the subjective and the objective.
What is I Ass Oh ?
Hi Justin!!!! Do you still have no problem with grasshopper noise with this case-protocol? How did the problem go after all? What are you using the sigma fp with now???
As i explained in that same video, the chirping is gone and i even show how i made it go away 😆
@@JustinPhillip I haven't disappeared.