So i actually just made a video ill send you the link but im making massive improvements in play. So i noticed on my video i got a crit curse put on me but i didnt dispel it. Still forget i can remove that. Is that curse on a cd?
@@Grimlocked ahh gotcha. So i ended up giving you a shout out here in thie video where i go over the mistakes. I definitely see that curse on me which is nuts because i still kill the warrior and the priest was not ccd.ua-cam.com/video/mb1D7KmteLg/v-deo.htmlsi=iPUcEIOC7o3OeAFq
Yea, they buffed their raw healing which wasn't their problem at all; their problem is they have no mitigation/utility. For example - prevoker doesn't have any damage reduction for teammates, BUT it has mobility, null shroud, insta purge fire breath, a shield wall, an aura mastery, AND it does more damage than any other healer in the game. Also the healing they buffed was Flash Heal, Heal and Holy Word: SANCTIFY - if they buffed Serenity I could see putting them above Hpal/Rsham possibly, but Sanctify is practically filler to proc your naaru for extra healing; 25% healing to heal isn't bad but it's a pretty rare cast, 15% to flash heal is nice but this doesn't combat their loss to mortal strike/dampening enough. They really need to bring back Spectral Guise for holy; and possibly at least 10% damage reduction on targets hit by Holy Word: Sanctify would be REALLY nice for them.
Hey! Yea I definitely saw and mentioned the armor changes; armor doesn't matter as much as people think. There's 6 specs in the game that still do pretty much fully physical damage, arms, fury, marks, beast mastery, outlaw and windwalker. The rest do a solid amount of spell damage avoiding armor completely - this has been the case this entire expansion. 35% armor increase is only 4% damage reduction for clothies. My biggest concern with armor, is if they've taken specific talents into consideration like for instance, arms has a talent where they gain strength based on 10% of their armor. I'm not sure if they thought about this and this could lead to a significant decrease in their damage. TLDR: Armor doesn't matter as much as people think, clothies are getting a 3-5% buff to their damage reduction vs 6 specs in the entire game. While platies are going to take 3-4% more damage to 6 specs in the entire game.
It's pretty hard honestly. I wish they'd just move away from Fistweaver and make caster weaver more logical/viable. I'd love to see a return to Healing Spheres, I loved them back in MoP and remember how skillful it felt to land them on a teammate and how useful it was to place 3 of them on top of your transcendence port and port back and get healed for like 60% of your hp lol. Hopefully they revisit the spec soon. I do suggest trying out prevoker, for some reason the high mobility high damage feels really fun to play with as a healer.
Your tier lists always feel pretty accurate and this one is no exception man, though I have a question, supatease puts prevoker really low - any reason you put it so high?
I put prevoker high because for a newer player, it would be more mobile and easier to kite melee/line casters with then something like a priest; discipline priest is very strong right now, possibly on the level of prevoker as well imo. Though a newer player may struggle with surviving against melee cleaves as a disc priest comparatively to that of a prevoker; who should be able to kite away and feel tankier vs them. Also prevoker has some of the best tools to recuperate from falling behind in the game, they have all reactive buttons compared to proactive buttons - meaning that if you don't expect damage to be happening (newer/lower rated player may not) you'll be able to recuperate from that; where as discipline specifically; you have to utilize pain suppression at a higher health or it gets very little value without using an extra CD on top of it.
I am playing balance Druid in solo and I am struggling. If you get a 3 melee lobby you will be trained and feel very squishy. The armour nerf to moonkin form will be felt ☹️
Hey! This list is kind of a mix of the both; I will say boomy is very hard to play in shuffle if you aren't very comfortable with the spec. It takes a lot of finesse in the sense that you have to know when is the optimal time to be in bear form, and whens the optimal time to clone/be doing damage in Moonkin form. It takes a bunch of practice - but is well worth it in my opinion. They can die VERY easily to melee unless you get super comfortable utilizing your different mobility/crowd control; don't forget you have a spell that is just a raw root!
@@Grimlocked yeah, you’ve explained it much better than me haha. At low CR, you seem to be in bear form a lot because the quality of healers is much lower. Can be super frustrating but you do get lobbies where you absolutely dominate and feel like a god! It’s always luck of the draw with solo shuffle and if you have poor teammates, balance Druid just doesn’t survive very long. I will just keep practicing 👍🏻
Semi-spoiler for the Zero to Legend series in the beginning! I hope you're all having an amazing day today and thank you so much for watching! If you enjoy my content and want to see more - be sure to Like, Subscribe and also check me out over on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo I stream LIVE a couple days a week (Mainly Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.)
@@Grimlocked i feel so many dont even know what it is. Also you said in a video a while back when you pop renewing blade and wall the dps leave you alone. Last match they still stayed on me and lost.
Hard to say haha; armor is great and all, but I'd say 80% of the classes in the game deal damage by other means then physical damage at this point, so armor only navigates so much damage. 35% armor buff for casters is equivalent to around 4% damage reduction from physical attacks, so it's good, but not MASSIVE like a lot of people are thinking.
So i actually just made a video ill send you the link but im making massive improvements in play. So i noticed on my video i got a crit curse put on me but i didnt dispel it. Still forget i can remove that. Is that curse on a cd?
Amplify Curse is on CD, they can reapply the normal version of the curse but it doesn't prevent you from critting, only the amplified version does.
@@Grimlocked ahh gotcha. So i ended up giving you a shout out here in thie video where i go over the mistakes. I definitely see that curse on me which is nuts because i still kill the warrior and the priest was not ccd.ua-cam.com/video/mb1D7KmteLg/v-deo.htmlsi=iPUcEIOC7o3OeAFq
i like this guy! So calm and positive. Can you do a comp tier for pushing glad?
Thank you so much! This comment made my day - I can definitely do this for sure! Sounds like a great idea.
A tier list that doesn’t have 15 specs in “S-tier”?!? A rare treat!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm trying to get better at spacing apart the specs accordingly haha!
man have you check the holy priest buffs? prob the 2ond best healer after patch
Yea, they buffed their raw healing which wasn't their problem at all; their problem is they have no mitigation/utility. For example - prevoker doesn't have any damage reduction for teammates, BUT it has mobility, null shroud, insta purge fire breath, a shield wall, an aura mastery, AND it does more damage than any other healer in the game.
Also the healing they buffed was Flash Heal, Heal and Holy Word: SANCTIFY - if they buffed Serenity I could see putting them above Hpal/Rsham possibly, but Sanctify is practically filler to proc your naaru for extra healing; 25% healing to heal isn't bad but it's a pretty rare cast, 15% to flash heal is nice but this doesn't combat their loss to mortal strike/dampening enough.
They really need to bring back Spectral Guise for holy; and possibly at least 10% damage reduction on targets hit by Holy Word: Sanctify would be REALLY nice for them.
@@Grimlocked Nailed It.
I would see elemental as A easy as you put it. They are really good! very nice vid man thank you!
Thank you for watching! I'm glad you liked it :)
How to pronounce Penitence:
Peh·Nuh·Tns 🔊
Yesssss dude, I even pronounced it wrong in the video but it isn't PENANCE MY GOD lmao.
I’m wondering if platies will still be A tier with the armor nerfs or if Grimm has even seen the changes.
Hey! Yea I definitely saw and mentioned the armor changes; armor doesn't matter as much as people think. There's 6 specs in the game that still do pretty much fully physical damage, arms, fury, marks, beast mastery, outlaw and windwalker.
The rest do a solid amount of spell damage avoiding armor completely - this has been the case this entire expansion. 35% armor increase is only 4% damage reduction for clothies.
My biggest concern with armor, is if they've taken specific talents into consideration like for instance, arms has a talent where they gain strength based on 10% of their armor. I'm not sure if they thought about this and this could lead to a significant decrease in their damage.
TLDR: Armor doesn't matter as much as people think, clothies are getting a 3-5% buff to their damage reduction vs 6 specs in the entire game. While platies are going to take 3-4% more damage to 6 specs in the entire game.
I think this will be my last expansion. I'm very sad, because I play monk healer and after MOP I never had the opportunity to see my class be tier S.
It's pretty hard honestly. I wish they'd just move away from Fistweaver and make caster weaver more logical/viable. I'd love to see a return to Healing Spheres, I loved them back in MoP and remember how skillful it felt to land them on a teammate and how useful it was to place 3 of them on top of your transcendence port and port back and get healed for like 60% of your hp lol.
Hopefully they revisit the spec soon. I do suggest trying out prevoker, for some reason the high mobility high damage feels really fun to play with as a healer.
Ultimate Penance/Penitence? It’s Ultimate Pen15, sheesh.
LMAO Yessss Ultimate PEEN
Your tier lists always feel pretty accurate and this one is no exception man, though I have a question, supatease puts prevoker really low - any reason you put it so high?
I put prevoker high because for a newer player, it would be more mobile and easier to kite melee/line casters with then something like a priest; discipline priest is very strong right now, possibly on the level of prevoker as well imo. Though a newer player may struggle with surviving against melee cleaves as a disc priest comparatively to that of a prevoker; who should be able to kite away and feel tankier vs them.
Also prevoker has some of the best tools to recuperate from falling behind in the game, they have all reactive buttons compared to proactive buttons - meaning that if you don't expect damage to be happening (newer/lower rated player may not) you'll be able to recuperate from that; where as discipline specifically; you have to utilize pain suppression at a higher health or it gets very little value without using an extra CD on top of it.
@@Grimlocked That actually makes a bunch of sense thanks bro
@@skeletonco8275 Thank you for asking though! I appreciate you watching!
hey! this is shuffle tier list or 3v3? i wanna try baladruid in shuffle so wondering if thats it :D
I am playing balance Druid in solo and I am struggling. If you get a 3 melee lobby you will be trained and feel very squishy. The armour nerf to moonkin form will be felt ☹️
Hey! This list is kind of a mix of the both; I will say boomy is very hard to play in shuffle if you aren't very comfortable with the spec. It takes a lot of finesse in the sense that you have to know when is the optimal time to be in bear form, and whens the optimal time to clone/be doing damage in Moonkin form. It takes a bunch of practice - but is well worth it in my opinion.
They can die VERY easily to melee unless you get super comfortable utilizing your different mobility/crowd control; don't forget you have a spell that is just a raw root!
@@Grimlocked yeah, you’ve explained it much better than me haha. At low CR, you seem to be in bear form a lot because the quality of healers is much lower. Can be super frustrating but you do get lobbies where you absolutely dominate and feel like a god! It’s always luck of the draw with solo shuffle and if you have poor teammates, balance Druid just doesn’t survive very long. I will just keep practicing 👍🏻
@@Chiz558 I appreciate you commenting man! It is a heavy grind but a worthy grind :D
Semi-spoiler for the Zero to Legend series in the beginning! I hope you're all having an amazing day today and thank you so much for watching!
If you enjoy my content and want to see more - be sure to Like, Subscribe and also check me out over on Twitch! www.twitch.tv/grimlockmmo I stream LIVE a couple days a week (Mainly Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.)
I love your zero to legend series! Thanks for posting content more frequently
@@skeletonco8275 Thank you bro!
I time stop the hunt often and sometimes they will blade dance right after and im still just standing there. Devastation is slept on.
Time Stop is so amazing man.
@@Grimlocked i feel so many dont even know what it is. Also you said in a video a while back when you pop renewing blade and wall the dps leave you alone. Last match they still stayed on me and lost.
@@Hardwaretuned Yea if they don't leave you alone you just tank all their damage. :) It's good.
@@Grimlocked i mean 1980mmr is still noob city tbh. ppl just tunnel vision.
@@Hardwaretuned Yea they get hyper focused lol, It's pretty funny. You'll see that at all rating for certain classes tbh lol.
Its sick when perma stealth class is S on pvp...
Who woulda thought!? lol Sub rogue is unreal honestly.
The other perma stealth class is literally the worst dps in the game? Seems unrelated
@@andrewpyne552 It is unrelated more of a meme lol.
Now all plate armor dps got down to C tier for 30% armor plate Nerf 😂😂 cloth dps got now morę defense than this 😂
Hard to say haha; armor is great and all, but I'd say 80% of the classes in the game deal damage by other means then physical damage at this point, so armor only navigates so much damage. 35% armor buff for casters is equivalent to around 4% damage reduction from physical attacks, so it's good, but not MASSIVE like a lot of people are thinking.
Sleepiiheadx is the best pres in world and you didn't mention him lol
Omg I have no clue how I blanked on Sleepi BROOOO LMAO
Yes hes INSANELY good at the spec *facepalm*