Pruning My Apple Trees (Part 2) Questions Answered
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- After posting that last video about pruning my apple trees and pear trees in the winter, I got a ton of questions about specifics that I didn't answer. Well, in this video your questions are answered.
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Apples grafted onto semi-dwarf and dwarf rootstock will fruit sooner than than those grafted onto standard rootstock. You can expect semi-dwarf to fruit 2-3 years, and dwarf varieties 2 years after planting, and 4-5 yrs+ on the standard rootstock. With regards to the pollinators, as especially pears, it's important that they all bloom at the same time, otherwise you may receive little or no fruit. So, when selecting trees, make sure they match the blooming sequence of the pollinators or visa versa. Also, its important to identify leaf buds and fruit buds.
Thanks, that's just what we did!
I bought and am planting my first fruit trees ever. 63 yrs old and just started gardening 3 spring seasons ago. This year, I redirected slightly to add permaculture beginnings and espaliered fruit trees are part of that plan. Small land plot of 3/4 acre but a perfect size for this old lady's experiments. Great info! Thanks, Mike! I'm off to pinterest now 😉
3/4 of an acre is perfect to play around on. Plenty of land for you to have lots of fun! Enjoy your garden, Donna!
Great Mike... You are indeed fortunate to live in a climate conducive to growing those trees and rhodos.
Yes, I agree, very fortunate to live in this climate.
I love how the fence looks too, but also how you have plenty of apples, pears, etc. production in such a manageable, reachable and yet compact space. It's like a dream orchard without the large scale production going on like in commercial growing. TYVM for the excellent videos Kincaid's! 👍
You're so welcome Darla! That's originally one of the things that drew me to doing this style of pruning. I love the production in a small space, and like you said, very easy to manage.
Nice Job on the espalier. Gala is a good variety in N Tacoma. The Gala apples can be a little small if you do not thin them early. I thin every spur down to a single apple shortly after petal drop, then thin again when they start to swell. The gala consistently come in at 15-16.5 Brix, but I water somewhat sparingly 4-6 weeks before harvest. We had a tasty Fuji tree, but It had to come down due to repeated lawnmower damage. Right now, we just get Gala and Jonagold apples regularly, but I am hoping Queen Cox will bear this year. Jonagold is by far the best apple we have grown-seriously, if you think Gala is productive, Jonagold will blow you away. I have Taylor's Gold (Russet Comice) and Bosc pears, but only Comice looks like it will flower this year.
My apple and pear buds are open, but not flowering, so I have been treating for disease and pests. Yesterday was Immunox, today was Spectracide, and tomorrow will be copper spray. The trick is to get apples and pears after the buds have broken, but before the flowers are open-when the bug eggs are tender & vulnerable. Have you had serious issues with coddling moth and scab? I bag the fruits when they are >1 inch in diameter, and I have been getting great fruit. For good quality, don't forget the late Summer potash/magnesium feeding.
I bought a bunch of Geneva 969 rootstocks to graft onto. Supposed to be fully dwarfing and self-supporting in WA, as well as being extremely resistant to disease.
Apples and pears are nice, but early-ripening European plums are by far the best fruit tree to grow in W.WA. They have fewer pest and disease issues, and are amazing when grown right. Sweet fruits have a tendency to crack/split when September rain/cold comes.
Early Laxton, Early Italian prune, Opal, Queen Victoria, Green Gage, Purple Gage, Rosey Gage, Oullins Gage, Imperial Epineuse, Geneva Mirabelle, American Mirabelle, Mirabelle de Nancy, and Parfume de Septembre Mirabelle are all proven Euro plums for W Washington.
Other plums and plum hybrids are nice, but earlier blooming & not as care-free as the Euros.
Shiro plum, Superior plum, Black Ice plum, Hollywood plum, Redheart plum, AU-Rosa, and Emerald Beaut are good Japanese-type plums. Flavor Grenade Pluot, Flavor Queen Pluot, Dapple Supreme Pluot, Splash Pluot, and Candy Heart pluerry are proven plum hybrids.
White Gold cherry is self-fertile and is very close to Rainier cherry in taste.
Nikita's Gift persimmon is a natural dwarf hybrid that thrives in our climate.
Frost peach has showy pink blossoms, fruit over 19 Brix, and actually grows in W. WA.
Just do it. Got ya
Have a great weekend Mike.
Thanks, you too!
Apple trees look phenomenal.
And yes, it takes time for fruit trees to bear. We already have four saplings that are still growing at (4 years) still no fruit, but they look extravagant with their branches and foliage.
Happy Summertime
Yes! Happy Summertime
You’ve done a great job on it!!! If not for fruit, just satisfying how it looks.
Yep, I feel the same way. I love how it looks no matter the outcome of fruit.
Loved this video,Mike very interesting and informative, beautiful daughters keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed it Gilda!
I lived at one house for 26 years. I had two apple trees and two pear trees left to grow in the conventional way, not trained. The apples were very productive especially the cooking apple. The pears never did much until it was about year 20 when one of the trees started to produce a few fruits, around eight or ten. The apples produced enough to keep right through the winter until early spring. At least one apple was eaten each day. Apples always gave tonnes more than pears. All of the trees were treated the same. Although there was never much fruit, if any, on the pears the pollinators loved the flowers.
I love everything you said here and definitely agree about the pollinators. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Good
Love what you’re doing Mike you’re so inspirational
Thanks, glad to inspire.
The wind blows all my flowering fruit on my Espalier pear tree but the good thing is I planted close my home it’s produce about half
You did a wonderful job , beautiful pruning.
I espaliered my two pear trees two years ago, a Red Bartlett and a Rescue pear. The RB had only one pear last year but the Rescue had a good dozen large fruits on it which were really delicious. John in Victoria. I managed to root a cutting from the Rescue which I will add this year.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to look into that Rescue pear, sounds like a good one.
Nice work on the Apple trees with the wired system, they look like my grape vines in the vineyard.
Thanks, the wire works great for now. I may have to rewire with 12 gauge at some point.
Mike you may need to keep the branches tied back to the fence wire all the time. My Grandad did them that way but he always tied them to the wire to support the weight! All the best Graham🇬🇧🇬🇧
Thanks Graham. I appreciate you sharing your Grandad's experience. I'm thinking that's the way it's going to have to be. I was originally hoping to get rid of the wire but these things get heavier every year. I may eventually have to run 12 gauge wire but the 14 gauge works for now.
Pronounced Co-meece…
Doyenne du Comice
French pear, fine dessert pear
Used in making brandy.
Nice espalier work!
Thanks for the info!
I am curious as well on the pears as I did just plant and prune 2 bare root ones as well 2 Asian pears that were potted and a few years old.
I did just see a video that said pears don’t like early pruning. I was about to plant a few more Asian pear Esspellier style, but need to research more before.
I am just easing into the whole pruning and it can be stressful, but necessary. But all trees are different. So much to learn, thanks for your content and would love to hear updates.
Will definitely have updates. Yeah, I'm learning a lot too. I'll keep pruning the pear back each year in the hopes that they fruit more over time.
Great job and great advice 👍🏻
Very interesting video! Thank you for that! 🙌👏
You’re welcome!
Hi Mike, good to see you again! The trees look very nice! It looks like a lot of work to me. I am aiming for Paul Gauche style fruit trees. That's what I would like. So far the fruit trees I have didn't produce anything and I bought them fruiting size but every year we had a frost after they flowered. Annoying! They have an ultimatum, if I don't get any fruits this year, they become woodchips. Thank you for the video! Hugs🤗🤗💞 Have a great week!
It's fruit or bust, lol! I like Paul's orchard too. Also a lot of work though as they get bigger. It's just fun no matter what style you want to see.
Absolutely, fruit or bust😂! It's all a lot of work but if you get fruits it's all worth it in the end!
Your videos always so interesting, thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate your support!
As always, great video!! Thanks Mike!!
Thanks for watching!
I'm heading out today to get some of my apple and cherry trees pruned, as well as get a couple new pear trees planted. I'm enjoying the gardening and videos. Spring is coming, but first a few more hard freezes! Have you tried any nut trees in your yard like filberts? Those are fun to watch grow and besides the war with squirrels, they are perfect for the NW.
I'd love to plant some nut trees out further on the property and that's going to happen eventually. I just picked up an excavator and bulldozer so now I can clear more land and make room for expansion.
Stump rot. Plant another pear tree up from the Gala or Fiji. My favorites by the way!
I've got some honeycrisp apples that I'm thinking about planting further down. I also have a second Bartlett pear that I need to find a spot for.
Now I am craving apples!
Haha, me too! I guess we gotta wait a little longer now.
@@MikeKincaid79 Yes we do.
Yeah I'm about to have to do that with my grape Vines so should be fun and Chuck Rock
Yep, I've been thinking about the grapes lately, and what is Chuck Rock, lol
@@MikeKincaid79 lol chalk Rock 😂 voice to text is a wonderful thing when it decides to autocorrect
Haha, Oh, you're talking about all that bed rock you have there. Man, you need an excavator with a rock hammer.
Thanks for the quick response! This is all great information.
Glad it was helpful. I was thinking about your questions, in part, while making this. Hopefully helped answer them for you.
LOL you keep teasing on showing those awesome Raspberries lol
Haha, they won't be as majestic this year due to the extreme heat and lack of water last summer but the roots are strong.
@@MikeKincaid79 You will still have a ton of them. I will send you a picture of ours right now on Facebook. IM sure there will be a bunch of shoots this summer.
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I can only say ...Impressive !!!!! .... Saludos Mike ...
Thanks Mario!
Yo, chico güey! Yeah, I've seen espalier pear trees, and they looked cool.
The Golden Dorsett is a sport of Golden Delicious.
I like pears. Bartlett is all around great, but Kieffer is the best for juice. God knows, with all that sand in it, it's barely eatable, LOL. you could probably use them to sand off car paint, but that sand would wreck the steel.
12 gauge wire for the grapes here.
As always, you made and enjoyable film. Peace!
Thanks! I think I may have to swap over to 12 gauge at some point. These trees are getting heavy.
@@MikeKincaid79 Kids today! always so impatient! Be patient. In the next few years the limbs should get thick enough to handle the weight. Peace.
And I'm a fairly patient guy, lol. That's exactly what I'm hoping for, solid limbs to bear the weight.
@@MikeKincaid79 Give them a few years. It'll happen. Y'all a master gardener, chico!
The Dorsett apple is pushing leaves. Cherries, the capulin never dropped her leaves but the Stella is still nekked. Next tree is a loquat. Cold tonight, 37F, but frost the next two nights, then back up close to 80.
The last pear maybe needs another pear to be pollinated that's why you have only 3 pears
. That's why I choose self-pollinated fruit trees.
These were all chosen to pollinate each other. They flower at roughly the same time. I think age has something to do with it. Time will tell. Thanks for your insight.
Question! Could the pears be having a harder time growing in the same root system as that large stump behind them. I don’t know enough about trees but I feel it may be a contributing factor. Just a suggestion.
I think it was a contributing factor but after cutting the tree down, the stump is no longer a problem. We'll see how the next few years go. If anything, the stump should store up rainwater now and give back in the summer.
Could you take a guess at how many apples you got last year or this year on your best producing espalier apple tree please?
I honestly can't remember and didn't count them. We have a huge apple tree that's growing naturally as well and we just put them all together. Definitely have a lot more apples growing on my trees this year though. I'll be posting a video about these trees in the next day or 2.
Hi Mike simple question : how many apples will you harvest this year and what size 😅
im joking Mike... lol
looks like spring is coming around in your part of the usa ...not quite hear yet BUT the Cardinals are back so thats a good sign 👍
cant wait jeez... i have saplings of weeping willows + i have a bunch of giant Sequoia saplings thriving + japanese red maples...
thank you for all you share it realy helps 👍
Yeah, I'm getting antsy for spring too. Still pretty early here and no blooms yet. I've got a few early rhododendrons buds starting to swell. Can't wait.
@@MikeKincaid79 cant wait to watch your future episodes 👍
I believe the pear tree takes more time to prepear for fruiting.
I think you're right. We seem to do a little better each year. The Bartlett is definitely the best way to go.
@@MikeKincaid79 did you catch the sort of pun that I left in the message. I didn't misspell it on accident hahaha
Oh geez, well I feel sheepish, lol. Didn't even notice it. Probably like that meme going around facebook where you can spell every work wrong but if you have the first and last letter right you can read right through to the end.
Thanks for valuable information... can you make one video of nutrients please..I'm following ur canopy
Are you asking about fertilizer I use or composted manure and wood chips?
@@MikeKincaid79 ya.thanks. U used npk or boron Zink in soil or spry?
the last pear tree is probably not doing too well because of the massive tree roots it has to fight with that tree stump next to it.
Yeah, I figured the tree was slowing it down quite a bit and that's why we cut it down. I had always planned to cut it down but sometimes things go in a different order than you planned, lol. Now I think the dead roots help it cause they store up water and then give back through the summer. At some point I want to get the stump out and smooth things over.
I haven’t tried fruit trees but growing up my Dad did. I remember worms. How do you combat that?
When the trees are healthy, the pests are minimal. I don't use any chemicals on my trees.
My area has codling moth which has NOTHING to do with the health (or otherwise) of the tree
Mike
I really appreciate your videos. I have some older apple trees that I have kept 6 ft and under. I wondering if it would be to much of a shock if I start doing espalier method for easier pruning and fruit production.
You can start that anytime. Just start training a few branches in the way you want them to look and eventually begin pruning out the undesirable branches. Or you could take a chance, cut it down to size and wait for suckers to grow that you can train.
Thank you! I had never heard the term "Analysis Paralysis" ... I definitely have that! It takes so long to decide what to keep and what to cut!.. We have the problem of there are no branches near where the wire might be...
I wanted to fan the branches out to bend them toward the wire....at least then I will be able to have something to get fruit on.... otherwise they look like a bare stick with a couple branches... Question... so you don't use the philosophy of ...... second year growth produces the fruit..... so prune with that in mind??
Thanks for the info... I always learn something when watching your videos.
If you look closely at my trees you'll see that my branches don't always start at the wire and I had to train them from down below the wire. We work with what we have. I love that you can train trees in just about any shape you want. There are some famous gardens out there that have the most beautifully pruned espaliered trees you've ever seen.
Just curious because you had some deer damage with the figs; have you had any issues with deer and your espaliered trees?
No, but only because it's all fenced off to about 6.5 feet in height. The deer got into the orchard once after a tree branch knocked down the fence. The deer did some damage but I repaired the fence and they haven't gotten in since. I wish I could get rid of all the fencing but the deer love the apples and everything else I have planted in the inner orchard. The figs have fared very well so far without fencing.
I have a deer issue as well. We made a fence around the garden out of espalier fruit trees.
We put up a 3' high picket fence. Used tall posts every 20' to support the trellis wires for the trees. We grew the trees up to about 7.5 feet tall.
Around the outside of the espalier fence we put a single strand of electric fence wire to keep the deer from browsing our espalier fence.
Then on the out
Hello Mike. I haven't seen your videos yet. I am so very busy but a have a question. Which pear tree is the sweetest of all? And was your favorite pear? . Thanks!
I like them all but I think the Bartlett is my favorite so far.
An old saying , you plant pears for your heirs , they take a long time
Haha, I love it! Thanks for sharing that.
Mike..... Really enjoy your videos !..... May I ask where you get the larger clear cups? ( I have some figs cuttings that need up potting )
Thanx Reshard
They are deli cups that I got at a restaurant supply business called cash and carry. I’m sure there’s a similar store in your area.
Do you have any video on grafting? I have this amazing plum tree in my backyard which is old now, I don’t know what variety it is but I want to graft it.
I've got videos about grafting Apple trees and Japanese maples. Here's the apple tree video: ua-cam.com/video/AEWcib0GN_w/v-deo.html
When you first planted your trees, we’re you intentionally planting in a certain direction / and how far apart are they? Would you do the same direction and distances again?
I'm uploaded your answer as a short video right now
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Sounds like fun!
Your videos are the most helpful I've found and I've seen many! Im trying to prune apple and pear espaliered trees that were neglected a bit. This was our dream orchard and hubby studied and did everything. But he got covid and passed away, now I'm trying to maintain his beautiful orchard. Last year they didn't get any attention at all. The other videos say cut no more than 1/3 but I have many water sprouts that exceeds that limit. Do you think it is ok to finish the job anyway?
The Bartlett pear I have really produces a lot! Its 6 years old. My problem with that tree is it grew so fast its maybe too tall for me to prune...like at least 10ft tall in the center! Any advice on that? Cut anyway? Or let it grow?
I appreciate any advice as I'm a little overwhelmed.
I'm sorry to hear about your husband. That's a tough thing for anybody to have to go through. You're taking on a lot by continuing what he started. You can prune more than 1/3 of the plant but only do that in winter while the plant is dormant. If you need to do a major pruning to get the trees back down to size then now is the time but don't wait until they wake up for spring. You may need to hire help if they are too big and you are unable to manage them on your own. If it were me, I'd prune them back to where you want them right now, even if it is a heavy pruning. Then do another light pruning in the summer to get rid of water sprouts and encourage fruit spurs. Good luck and I wish you all the best!
@@MikeKincaid79 Thank you for your response! I will do as you suggest. The apples are still dormant (though not for long I imagine). It has water sprouts that have grown unchecked for over a year....so they are relatively big. If it's not raining tomorrow I'm going to get that done!
Beautiful young shaped trees but my problem is older, neglected trees. Does anyone have a link for how to renovate/rehabilitate apples and pears?
Paul Gautschi is the master when it comes to pruning large orchard trees.
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Do you ever have trouble with Japanese Beetles attacking your fruit trees? If so, what do you do about them?
What do you add to your bark potting soil, I need the recipe so I can make some myself, thank you
It's just straight bark
Hello Mike, Ron from Show Low Az. I have a question. What kind of grass seed did you use around your fig orchard ? Looks great !
I need to do something similar . I’ve got 40 acres of desert dirt .
Thanks Mike . 👍
We used a horse pasture mix. It's a very aggressive mix of grasses and grows strong. We have to mow it more frequently but it really gets established well and crowds out most other weeds. I love the stuff but you better be committed to mowing, lol
Hey MIKE. I live in auburn Washington I'm only seeing hemlock /fir. Bark. In my area is that ok to use in rhododendron beds?
Thanks. 🌹🌹
Yep, that's what I use.
How about pruning trees not grown in this espalier design. Can the same techniques be applied to reg apple trees
Absolutely!
Hi I want to see how they bear fruit in the summer or fall when harvesting, is it possible?
Sure, I'll do an update this summer.
@@MikeKincaid79 great thanks
I think you need a different variety of pears flowering at the same time for a good fruit
These all flower at the same time and are known cross pollinators. I think the main issue is that they just take longer to develop.
@@MikeKincaid79 Thank you for your answer, the truth may also be so
With your trees that way, how long can the trees live?
They should outlive me. Not sure exactly how long apple trees live.
Berapa lama setelah pemangkasan akan mengeluarkan buah....
Mereka akan segera mulai mekar dan berbuah pada musim gugur ini.
Okay why did UA-cam not tell me that you released this video. I don't understand that. I pretty much watch all your videos and comment on all your videos but I guess they decided I didn't want to watch your channel that's nice. Lol
Haha, I hear that from so many people. I'm going to have to notify you personally from now on, lol. I think you'll like the next video. I'm trying the iphone thing again and filming the excavator.
@@MikeKincaid79 when excavators attack. I can't wait to watch that.
Just be careful you could lose more than just the ability of your pinky with something like that. After you get good at using that you're going to have to bring it down to Texas so we can do some massive changes of the property just for fun at my house lol I want to make a 900 ft tunnel from my house to my garden hahaha
That would be awesome! Wish I could do that kind of thing here but it would probably flood for several months out of the year. Got most of the first video filmed and need to edit. Here goes nothing. Hopefully I don't have the same problems. The last iphone edited video made me look green, lol.
I am sure Pear trees live a lot longer than apples, so may take longer to get going
That's what I'm thinking, thanks Paul.
7 years on average before fruit on pears.
Good to know, thank you!