Focus on what you can't do in order to improve, sure, but don't let the knowledge of all the things you can't do paralyze you and turn you away from making art.
Asking for your permision to use yout words and write them on a big board in my studio... because I’m in a « I’m not sure if I should continue painting? » crisis right now😣😣😣
This is exactly what I'm struggling with at the moment. I like drawing characters but I also like stories and so I want to draw a comic. But because I know that there's so much knowledge involved in doing that and that I have so much to learn, it paralyzes me from drawing. Even when I really want to. It's hard to know where to start and what/how to study at any given moment. I struggle to just jump in and draw like when I was a kid. But I'll try to keep these words of yours in mind as well. Thanks for that.
@@X_Nomad_ omg you are in a similar situation like me in art, I also like drawing characters and telling stories and trying to figure out comic book making as well, and since i know i have a lot to learn, as a total beginner, i end up slowly improving in art and barely drawing sometimes, i really hope you and i and many other Artists struggling like us, find their way out just never give up and don't forget to have fun drawing! ALWAYS!! and Good luck..
Something that happens to me since I was a kid is that my insecurities kind of blind me, and no matter what I do, _it's not enough_ , so I can even end up with a result that isn't he style that was actually intended fot that drawing. Also is kind of a reactions that eventually explodes and I even end up crying just to see later that the thing I was making wasnt that bad.
Thanks for the reminder to be aware of my fears - that was great! I think the best work occurs when I forget about myself and the rest of the world and I'm lost in the moment and the practice.
it really just comes down honestly to drawing and making art of not only things you like but being proud that you made something, and just knowing as long as you see what you do wrong and hone your skill and practice correctly honest to god you have nothing to worry about.
im so glad I got to hear this today. Thank you Marshall and Stan, so much for bringing us these REAL conversations. conversations that we need more of in this world
Picked this book up years ago as a recommendation from a podcast, en back then some things i didn't quite understand. Now that i'm in my final year and working on my graduation project i picked up the book again, and with the insight of the years i was studying, some parts where much more relevant than it did back then. There is always a certain fear, in making and in learning specially with my graduation project is that i've done the research and know the structure but always having the feeling that it's not enough. But i also understand that that's a process of learning, work i did back than i can do better now and more efficiently but certain elements evolved and other things stayed yet somehow feel different.
I think putting yourself in the shoes of an artist you admire to learn so that you can apply it in your own work isn't bad at all. I guess hiding is more about fear of showing your own voice and comfortably imitating something that is "cool" right now. Most famous and successful artists have their own voice, there is a sense of bravery in that, to be vulnerable and still sharing it with people. Yet the funny thing is, we are not our own creation, it lives it's own life and can be experienced separate from the artist.
Definetly feeling fear over the last year has crept into art - if everything in your world becomes unstable and scary it's too easy too excuse yourself from the pursuit of skill - the excuses now feel like a waste of time 😓
Brilliant book, I read in one sitting. I know what the fear is. I purchased this and enrolled for counselling. I making lots of art, for many years ....... I know the fear and it actually very real even if people die go leave or otherwise, it just compounded. That I am not long gonna put up with. So I took action. The hurt will always remain. Always.
On talent - i agree with Marshall. There is such a thing. I think its not nearly as important as some think but it is a factor. To those who do think its really important, "get to work" seems like a waste of time because they assume they'll never be good anyway if they dont have it. In the end though it probably mostly comes down to whether you enjoy creating/studying art enough to keep doing it for thousands of hours.
When you pretend to be an expert, your confidence goes up and you unlock your real potential that’s why drawings get better And if you do your best, of course you will produce your best artwork. I think we got influenced by teachers at school that would always say "you are not doing your best" and they are trying to strive us to do more, while yes, if we REALLY want to do something we will do our best, but not when we are tired or angry. Give yourself guys time to improve. The real improvement is not the one you see RIGHT AWAY is the one you see from time to time and it's not obvious until some months or even years
The comment on talent reminded me of something I think I heard from Alan Watts on buddhism, went something like: "Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water."
Sir if you see this comment then please tell us more about the steps that a student should take after art school , what are the stages at which we should focus on and how , what are the ways ( step by step to earn as an artist ) ?
Thank you awhile back recommending the book The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. I have wondered if my being afraid I am not good enough is just a form of self sabotage that we agree to enter into with the help of Resistance.
I havent drawn anything in over a month because imposter syndrome has been kicking my ass. I have a lot of ideas I want to draw but I just feel like I'm not good enough to make those ideas come to life and I give up. But you guys are right, what I have right now is what I need to produce my best work. Time to pick myself up🙏🏾
If what we have right now is all we need to produce our best work, and I know this is true. Then us not working which I am guilty of as well, same with my writing, is possibly being so critical of our future work we haven’t done yet that we don’t do it?! Wow, there are plenty of other people willing to do this for me I really want to stop being so critical of myself and my work. Because not working is really a punishment to me!
I guess it's fear? Every so often. I have this near overwhelming sense of envy of a former artist friend I had. I don't know why it keeps coming back. But when I don't think about jealousy, I can manage to pull my weight.
I took it another way. I thought he was combating imposter syndrome by saying even if you feel you are not a real artist, if you are making art (which cannot be made by pretending) you are a real artist by definition.
Makign your moves without comparison to others will be a good first sign. Just doing what comes naturally. But that can take some practice to get back to if you find yourself consistenly comparing to others or applying their critique before you make your work. It'll be different for everyone but that's a solid clue.
My only problem is; I can't do OTHER stuff (art related stuff) because I fear that I will lose the skill that I currently have if I do the other "Stuff".
Guess my biggest issue in an "art career" seems to be "fads".... I see people doing or saying something that's popular at the moment then they explode and make a career out of it..... Even more frustrating when their technical skill is severely lack or extremely unoriginal.....
If people can put food on their plate or even provide for their family, I do not think they can be criticized too harshly for pandering to market demand.
Art history is story of "fads" every movement had its creators and those who imitate. I find technical skill less important than creativity and uniqueness. It think it is far more evident these days with social media. Putting negativity out there it seems can be a projection of artists frustration from comparing themselves to others.
I'm afraid of money but I love my art, museing is important, but I'm afraid to draw because of it, I've gotta fly the mission, the only way is to draw and keep drawing, the only is to change the view, change the meaning.
If you focus on what you can’t do you won’t t do it. Must focus on what you can, i can draw a circle, so that the brain can find a path and curiosity and creativity become a talent and more skilled than just assuming you cant draw a circle and you won’t .
Huh. Funny Vandruff says this. I was in his class and he not only played favorites, he made my friend cry by being an asshole to her about her project.
Leta be honest. Most people that say that talent isnt real or that art is just a journey are lying knowingly. Its to fool people in to believing that "you can do it" and then you go and make an absolute fool of yourself and realise after years of practice and patients that no matter how hard you try the talented will draw circles around you and draw what you can draw now after years or hard work in 3 to 4 months while half assing and not even trying and then turn around and call it "hard work".
This is funny because you conclude with the same conclusion as the book. That if you want to get better at your ark, you have to work it. What is new about your conclusion?
Focus on what you can't do in order to improve, sure, but don't let the knowledge of all the things you can't do paralyze you and turn you away from making art.
Asking for your permision to use yout words and write them on a big board in my studio... because I’m in a « I’m not sure if I should continue painting? » crisis right now😣😣😣
@@mitsuomits9077 Absolutely, whatever helps you!
This is exactly what I'm struggling with at the moment. I like drawing characters but I also like stories and so I want to draw a comic. But because I know that there's so much knowledge involved in doing that and that I have so much to learn, it paralyzes me from drawing. Even when I really want to. It's hard to know where to start and what/how to study at any given moment. I struggle to just jump in and draw like when I was a kid. But I'll try to keep these words of yours in mind as well. Thanks for that.
@@X_Nomad_ omg you are in a similar situation like me in art, I also like drawing characters and telling stories and trying to figure out comic book making as well, and since i know i have a lot to learn, as a total beginner, i end up slowly improving in art and barely drawing sometimes, i really hope you and i and many other Artists struggling like us, find their way out just never give up and don't forget to have fun drawing! ALWAYS!! and Good luck..
Something that happens to me since I was a kid is that my insecurities kind of blind me, and no matter what I do, _it's not enough_ , so I can even end up with a result that isn't he style that was actually intended fot that drawing. Also is kind of a reactions that eventually explodes and I even end up crying just to see later that the thing I was making wasnt that bad.
Thanks for the reminder to be aware of my fears - that was great! I think the best work occurs when I forget about myself and the rest of the world and I'm lost in the moment and the practice.
it really just comes down honestly to drawing and making art of not only things you like but being proud that you made something, and just knowing as long as you see what you do wrong and hone your skill and practice correctly honest to god you have nothing to worry about.
im so glad I got to hear this today. Thank you Marshall and Stan, so much for bringing us these REAL conversations. conversations that we need more of in this world
Picked this book up years ago as a recommendation from a podcast, en back then some things i didn't quite understand. Now that i'm in my final year and working on my graduation project i picked up the book again, and with the insight of the years i was studying, some parts where much more relevant than it did back then. There is always a certain fear, in making and in learning specially with my graduation project is that i've done the research and know the structure but always having the feeling that it's not enough. But i also understand that that's a process of learning, work i did back than i can do better now and more efficiently but certain elements evolved and other things stayed yet somehow feel different.
I think putting yourself in the shoes of an artist you admire to learn so that you can apply it in your own work isn't bad at all. I guess hiding is more about fear of showing your own voice and comfortably imitating something that is "cool" right now. Most famous and successful artists have their own voice, there is a sense of bravery in that, to be vulnerable and still sharing it with people. Yet the funny thing is, we are not our own creation, it lives it's own life and can be experienced separate from the artist.
Definetly feeling fear over the last year has crept into art - if everything in your world becomes unstable and scary it's too easy too excuse yourself from the pursuit of skill - the excuses now feel like a waste of time 😓
Brilliant book, I read in one sitting. I know what the fear is. I purchased this and enrolled for counselling. I making lots of art, for many years ....... I know the fear and it actually very real even if people die go leave or otherwise, it just compounded. That I am not long gonna put up with. So I took action. The hurt will always remain. Always.
On talent - i agree with Marshall. There is such a thing.
I think its not nearly as important as some think but it is a factor.
To those who do think its really important, "get to work" seems like a waste of time because they assume they'll never be good anyway if they dont have it.
In the end though it probably mostly comes down to whether you enjoy creating/studying art enough to keep doing it for thousands of hours.
When you pretend to be an expert, your confidence goes up and you unlock your real potential that’s why drawings get better
And if you do your best, of course you will produce your best artwork. I think we got influenced by teachers at school that would always say "you are not doing your best" and they are trying to strive us to do more, while yes, if we REALLY want to do something we will do our best, but not when we are tired or angry. Give yourself guys time to improve. The real improvement is not the one you see RIGHT AWAY is the one you see from time to time and it's not obvious until some months or even years
I started watching your videos yesterday very insightful and I appreciate this!
Liked the video before I even got passed the intro
Me too!
The comment on talent reminded me of something I think I heard from Alan Watts on buddhism, went something like:
"Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water."
I read this book a while ago and still refer to it from time to time.
Great video bro, im getting a lot out of this!
Sir if you see this comment then please tell us more about the steps that a student should take after art school , what are the stages at which we should focus on and how , what are the ways ( step by step to earn as an artist ) ?
I really like this. Thank you
Have you ever let fear influence your art?
Always :( I've my design entrace tomorrow, ahaha so scared :(
Yes.
Thank you awhile back recommending the book The War of Art by Steven Pressfield. I have wondered if my being afraid I am not good enough is just a form of self sabotage that we agree to enter into with the help of Resistance.
I havent drawn anything in over a month because imposter syndrome has been kicking my ass. I have a lot of ideas I want to draw but I just feel like I'm not good enough to make those ideas come to life and I give up.
But you guys are right, what I have right now is what I need to produce my best work. Time to pick myself up🙏🏾
If what we have right now is all we need to produce our best work, and I know this is true. Then us not working which I am guilty of as well, same with my writing, is possibly being so critical of our future work we haven’t done yet that we don’t do it?! Wow, there are plenty of other people willing to do this for me I really want to stop being so critical of myself and my work. Because not working is really a punishment to me!
This is pure and great 👍
Ok I'll get to work ! 😁
Me too!!!! 🤣😆
I guess it's fear? Every so often. I have this near overwhelming sense of envy of a former artist friend I had. I don't know why it keeps coming back. But when I don't think about jealousy, I can manage to pull my weight.
Fear you’re not good enough.
@@justj44 yes. Doesn't feel very good
PERFECTLY SAID
I took it another way. I thought he was combating imposter syndrome by saying even if you feel you are not a real artist, if you are making art (which cannot be made by pretending) you are a real artist by definition.
Are you ever not a student? Are you not always learning?...
Arguable you are not a student when you’re making your original work based on what you already know
I miss the hour long podcasts, when are those coming back?
War of Art is a pretty good book too
What are you Guys thinking about Beeple (Digital Artist) had sold the masterpiece at USD 69,346,250 in CHRISTIE’S?
How will I know if I'm "Being Myself "?
Makign your moves without comparison to others will be a good first sign. Just doing what comes naturally.
But that can take some practice to get back to if you find yourself consistenly comparing to others or applying their critique before you make your work.
It'll be different for everyone but that's a solid clue.
My only problem is; I can't do OTHER stuff (art related stuff) because I fear that I will lose the skill that I currently have if I do the other "Stuff".
Guess my biggest issue in an "art career" seems to be "fads".... I see people doing or saying something that's popular at the moment then they explode and make a career out of it..... Even more frustrating when their technical skill is severely lack or extremely unoriginal.....
If people can put food on their plate or even provide for their family, I do not think they can be criticized too harshly for pandering to market demand.
@@mf-- i never cared to be all so morally superior Dear....
Art history is story of "fads" every movement had its creators and those who imitate. I find technical skill less important than creativity and uniqueness. It think it is far more evident these days with social media. Putting negativity out there it seems can be a projection of artists frustration from comparing themselves to others.
@@alejandromolinac Well don't type like a twat then ;p
I'm afraid of money but I love my art, museing is important, but I'm afraid to draw because of it, I've gotta fly the mission, the only way is to draw and keep drawing, the only is to change the view, change the meaning.
If you focus on what you can’t do you won’t t do it. Must focus on what you can, i can draw a circle, so that the brain can find a path and curiosity and creativity become a talent and more skilled than just assuming you cant draw a circle and you won’t .
Interesting
It only takes one pencil and some paper to create something amazing.
"There's no way to pretend you're making art" , Wow this is a time capsule , 2023 and its slew of 'prompt artists'
After watching it....
Shit.hes right.
Huh.
Funny Vandruff says this. I was in his class and he not only played favorites, he made my friend cry by being an asshole to her about her project.
Leta be honest. Most people that say that talent isnt real or that art is just a journey are lying knowingly. Its to fool people in to believing that "you can do it" and then you go and make an absolute fool of yourself and realise after years of practice and patients that no matter how hard you try the talented will draw circles around you and draw what you can draw now after years or hard work in 3 to 4 months while half assing and not even trying and then turn around and call it "hard work".
This is funny because you conclude with the same conclusion as the book. That if you want to get better at your ark, you have to work it. What is new about your conclusion?
Jesus loves you both and your families! Thank you so much for making these shorts