loved this video!!! was honestly going quite insane back when i used twitter ~2 years ago about how kink-negative the community has become to the point where i had to completely delete my online presence, but ive recently started being more open and actually interacting with other likeminded people. your videos help a lot with informing everyone about kink and the "hard" topics to talk about for most, and for that i thank you sincerely.
As an asexual who finds wearing diapers legitimately comforting and something that passively adds happiness to my life, it really sucks how fast people jump to "ah, this is clearly a sex thing" I mean yeah, it's weird! But that's such a reductive and frustrating leap--and it's worse that it's so common Thank you so much for going into this! It's an incredibly important topic for all kinds of people who like weird things, and a thing that really doesn't see much attention outside of the people who live it~
Yay Sex Positivity! Fk moral panics. Screw Puritans. Silence Corpos. I don't have to care about your children. That's your job, Karen. Loved the vid. TY
And where is the line, that requires consent to be crossed? Do spectators in a public area, thats not enclosed by any means have to be able to consent, before they are shown kinks, that evolved out of sexfetishes? Where is that line, if not everyone involved in a possibly sexual act has to consent?
Thank you for this! You hit the nail on the head, at least for me.... kink is very much one of my favorite avenues of self-expression. As a goth enby kinky fur, I have so much joy mixing components of fursuiting with collars and corsets and massive, massive boots. And yes, it really helps in a way similar to therapy. It really does. Great video Ash!
Hey, good vid, and I appreciated the call-out for us ace folks! ^^ There's a whole pile of us in the nsfw section of a discord I'm in, and we were _just_ talking a couple days ago about how kink can be a totally non-sexual thing. That concept was new to me then (I'm fairly new to the furry community, and openness about this sort of stuff), and it made a lot of sense from my own (recently grokked) ace pov. Really nice/cool to hear the concept brought up independently here!
I think its important for folks to really understand that these spaces represent something more than they like to reduce it to. I am so happy to hear that it resonated with you!
I've said that if it'd fly under the radar of a 5-year-old, an-8-year-old, a Midwestern housewife, your dad, and a kindly old grandmother, it's probably fine for primetime. I've also said that how we react to something we perceive as obscene, offensive, or unseemly can potentially make a much bigger impression on a kid than the thing itself, because it may end up drawing their attention to something they might've otherwise ignored or dismissed in a way that could end up piquing their interest in that thing or causing them undue confusion, shame, fear, and distress. Fundamentally, people should seek to treat one another with kindness and respect; honor others' privacy, rights, space, and boundaries; be the positive force they wish to see in the world; and mind their own beeswax as long as nobody's being harmed or seriously hurt.
As a trans non-binary gay furry, I will admit things like diesel punk / rivethead goth attire quite choice, as that matter goes, being partial to wearing a cap, gloves, coat, and boots in day-to-day happenings. The boots, gloves, nose ring, earrings, tattoos, gothic makeup that makes me look not unlike a deer, and cap are ever present regardless, naturally.
1:41 Already switched to BlueSky, and now I'm following you there. (What's the abbreviation for BlueSky BTW? 😜) I love how people are still calling X Twitter. Musk's rebranding hasn't taken.
As another reminder of what you already know, this topic has been going on probably since the fandom began and or before. Thank You for placing much need light on this topic to say the least. 😁🥰
As a therian, asexual, submissive fursuiter, it is one of my biggest dreams to be lead on a leash by my owner at a con some time. It would not be sexual for me, it would purely give me so much immense happiness. But of course, this is forbidden. Why do people get uncomfortable seeing someone doing something that makes them happy?
Awesome job working on this topic on “Kink” Ash, I love some kinks and absolutely hate some but people have their own differences and preferences. Sorry to make this joke but at 1:48 I actually thought you said “sucking off” >w
I don't mind Kink, but be it a sexual or non-sexual kink a good amount of it really shouldn't be done around children. Unless it is legitimately SFW. Like say wearing a fursuit, or being pet in it. VS wearing a latex pup outfit and being spanked shouting "Harder daddy." in Walmart. ((Yes ive seen this, my furry roommate's literally did this in Oregon and didn't see an issue.)) There are SFW and NSFW kinks even if that Kink isn't inherently sexual. I am not going to kink shame someone doing that, but seriously doing some of this kinda stuff in-front of children is not a good way to go about it. I am in agreement that kink is the best way to keep the corpo scum away from our fandoms and spaces. However this is also why im extremely opposed to allowing children at furry cons. I used to be ok with it and not think that it was to bad for children to see this until I became a dad myself and started to see how it was negatively affecting my child. Because while 90% isn't anything a kid is gonna think twice about or can be easily pushed off like "Ohh were just acting like cartoons for a giggle" It is the remaining 10% where the problems begin. Eventually someone will go to far and you will have a Rainfurrest incident or worse and ive unfortunately seen both too many times. ((Also was staff for RF for like 6-7 years so ive seen some shit. Figuratively and literally!)) So while I 100% agree that kink isnt just sexual and that the normies need to take a chill pill we should be more aware of our actions when children are present. Im into macro, and its MOSTLY sfw. My kid doesn't think twice on seeing big furries/ponies/people. But I for sure wont let them see the Macro content where people are getting squished or going into the "Hyper" content and such. People just need to exercise a teeny bit of common sense when expressing ones kink publicly, But not everyone will do that. This way we all can do what we want and you can do what you want, and we can all be happy too!
The Oxford dictionary defines kink as "a sexual desire or practice regarded as unusual or unconventional". I see no problem with people having kinks, but consent is key. Keep it between consenting adults.
The question is: Are observers inclouded to the group that has to consent? If thats the case, kinks cant be shown in public. They have to stay in NSFW spaces.
@hannesjakobs1982 That's true. It would be reasonable to expect that, if you are in a public space there will be people who do not consent, and not just because it's 'not their thing ' but also those for whom it could be harmful. It's best practice for those who participate to be responsible and keep it in reasonable places.
As someone into petplay I've had so many people be like: oh so you like being fucked as an animal? And I have to be like No, I want to be petted and wanna butt my head against someone's hand in full clothes
Well, why are most of puppies wearing the most uncomfortable materials then, if its not a sexual attraction to the material? Neoprene for example could be easyly replaced by more breathable materials without changing the design charicteristics to much or you could choose a fursuit instead, that is actualy uncomfortable to wear but at least provides design opporunities, that are close to the anacted animals and not clearly related to sexfetishes.
Thanks, Ash. 🙂 Yes, some of our art, writing, etc is NSFW. That's why that tag exists. Didn't we learn the hard way that it's absolutely necessary? That's why even FA can be set for SFW-Only.
Thanks for spreading the word. At the moment, from what I have seen is 2.7 of Furaffinity's rules are on hold. Paws if you will 🐾 I'll grab my coat. I am a ABDL myself, and I must say you did a much better job at explaining this. Because yes, if they managed to get rid of Babyfurs/Diaperfurs/ABDL. How say they wouldn't want to do it with other kinks and fetishes. The rules DID bleed into hypnosis with the rule of no regression, physical or mental. Once again, thanks Ash
I agree with you in some points, but I still have a key question. If you are confroted with a kinky interaction in a public space, doesnt this violate the most importand roule concerning sexual interactions? Because I think, if you are a bystander of a sexual or a possible sexual interaction, you should have the possibility to consent before that. Thts not possible, if kinks or fetishes are shown in public. People who feel uncomfortable with that cant fully avoid this situation. Same at furryconventions. You cant have a good time there, if kinks are allowed at all spaces at all times, if you dont like to interact with them. Thats, why I think kinks should stay at the NSFW spaces at cons. That makes it possible for all people to enjoy a nice time there. Kinky ones and nonkinky ones.
Ah yes, the thing that both hinder and help the furry fandom. I never believed and I never will that is the reason big corporations avoid furries, or even corporations. Given some of the biggest Corps out there are not afraid of going over ethics or doing something apauling for a good profit. That said, Getting rid of Kink is impossible, same for fetish... I think. So of it is just, stuff considered normal, other is not so much. Only think to be said is that it does make some people uncomfortable and uneasy. but hey, if can be avoided, great, if not... is okay.
Well made video but I think the rebuttal some have is a little more "than think of the children". 1 is in most cases there is a time and place for such kinky stuff that does not need to be displayed in front of children. 2 Is the fetish very adjacent or is such a kink/fetish that entails actually illegal acts that also can also be morally condemned but for factual foundational reasons due to psychological or physical harm? May kinks/fetishes if not all can be weird but not all of them are directly immoral or illegal. i don't need to list what those are for the sake of being appropriate for this channel. But for many the kinks/fetishes that are between adults that are not Illegal and such are fine but still many need to stay in the bedroom. There's something to be said about having decency and self respect and dignity in the public eye. As a Furry myself I go to Furry conventions for the furry overall. If it were a kink convention I would not be there. I keep the kink/fetish stuff more private.
As a kinky, trans, furry this topic hits close to home.
I am glad it was relatable!
omg trans, so kinky!! -giggles- >.
Exactly, we can like what we like, and if nobody supports it, then we can still be ourselves
I think this will be a fun one
You did a good job
“Kink doesn’t equal sex” needs to be a more common statement. It sucks media has unfairly merged the two concepts.
It really does
loved this video!!! was honestly going quite insane back when i used twitter ~2 years ago about how kink-negative the community has become to the point where i had to completely delete my online presence, but ive recently started being more open and actually interacting with other likeminded people. your videos help a lot with informing everyone about kink and the "hard" topics to talk about for most, and for that i thank you sincerely.
As an asexual who finds wearing diapers legitimately comforting and something that passively adds happiness to my life, it really sucks how fast people jump to "ah, this is clearly a sex thing"
I mean yeah, it's weird! But that's such a reductive and frustrating leap--and it's worse that it's so common
Thank you so much for going into this! It's an incredibly important topic for all kinds of people who like weird things, and a thing that really doesn't see much attention outside of the people who live it~
I think the most magical thing in the world is seeing people actuality their true selves!
Yay Sex Positivity!
Fk moral panics.
Screw Puritans.
Silence Corpos.
I don't have to care about your children.
That's your job, Karen.
Loved the vid. TY
I’m so glad that you enjoyed it
Amen
And where is the line, that requires consent to be crossed? Do spectators in a public area, thats not enclosed by any means have to be able to consent, before they are shown kinks, that evolved out of sexfetishes? Where is that line, if not everyone involved in a possibly sexual act has to consent?
Thank you for this! You hit the nail on the head, at least for me.... kink is very much one of my favorite avenues of self-expression. As a goth enby kinky fur, I have so much joy mixing components of fursuiting with collars and corsets and massive, massive boots. And yes, it really helps in a way similar to therapy. It really does. Great video Ash!
I am so happy that you enjoyed the video
Hey, good vid, and I appreciated the call-out for us ace folks! ^^
There's a whole pile of us in the nsfw section of a discord I'm in, and we were _just_ talking a couple days ago about how kink can be a totally non-sexual thing. That concept was new to me then (I'm fairly new to the furry community, and openness about this sort of stuff), and it made a lot of sense from my own (recently grokked) ace pov.
Really nice/cool to hear the concept brought up independently here!
I think its important for folks to really understand that these spaces represent something more than they like to reduce it to. I am so happy to hear that it resonated with you!
I've said that if it'd fly under the radar of a 5-year-old, an-8-year-old, a Midwestern housewife, your dad, and a kindly old grandmother, it's probably fine for primetime. I've also said that how we react to something we perceive as obscene, offensive, or unseemly can potentially make a much bigger impression on a kid than the thing itself, because it may end up drawing their attention to something they might've otherwise ignored or dismissed in a way that could end up piquing their interest in that thing or causing them undue confusion, shame, fear, and distress.
Fundamentally, people should seek to treat one another with kindness and respect; honor others' privacy, rights, space, and boundaries; be the positive force they wish to see in the world; and mind their own beeswax as long as nobody's being harmed or seriously hurt.
As a trans non-binary gay furry, I will admit things like diesel punk / rivethead goth attire quite choice, as that matter goes, being partial to wearing a cap, gloves, coat, and boots in day-to-day happenings. The boots, gloves, nose ring, earrings, tattoos, gothic makeup that makes me look not unlike a deer, and cap are ever present regardless, naturally.
9:35 The difference is that people are having sex in hotel rooms, its not going on in public space unless maybe it's a 18+ con
No Co(r)ps at Pride (or the Furry Fandom)!
1:41 Already switched to BlueSky, and now I'm following you there. (What's the abbreviation for BlueSky BTW? 😜) I love how people are still calling X Twitter. Musk's rebranding hasn't taken.
There's also the less polite version: Xitter, which reflects the obvious cesspool it's been for many years now.
Bluesky is so much better! I’m glad you’re over there now too.
As another reminder of what you already know, this topic has been going on probably since the fandom began and or before. Thank You for placing much need light on this topic to say the least. 😁🥰
I felt like it needed to be said given everything going on rn
I can’t wait to see this Ash, I’m very interested in hearing about this topic, I even have some kinks myself some NSFW some SFW
Thank you! I think it will be super informative
As a therian, asexual, submissive fursuiter, it is one of my biggest dreams to be lead on a leash by my owner at a con some time. It would not be sexual for me, it would purely give me so much immense happiness.
But of course, this is forbidden. Why do people get uncomfortable seeing someone doing something that makes them happy?
That’s a tough question to really answer. I think most of it is fear
Fellow therian!
So, to fix the issue on FA, FA should probably just add keyword blocking
It shouldn't be as big a problem if it's behind closable doors
Awesome job working on this topic on “Kink” Ash, I love some kinks and absolutely hate some but people have their own differences and preferences. Sorry to make this joke but at 1:48 I actually thought you said “sucking off” >w
Yeah sometimes my vocals aren't very loud
Loved the vid! When can we expect to see the therian video?
Soon!
@@AshCoyote I'm excited!
I learned some cool stuff in this video. With this new information I will tie myself up for therapeutic reasons.
It can certainly be therapeutic
Thank you. This needs to be said over and over and over again.
It does especially now of days
I don't mind Kink, but be it a sexual or non-sexual kink a good amount of it really shouldn't be done around children. Unless it is legitimately SFW. Like say wearing a fursuit, or being pet in it. VS wearing a latex pup outfit and being spanked shouting "Harder daddy." in Walmart. ((Yes ive seen this, my furry roommate's literally did this in Oregon and didn't see an issue.)) There are SFW and NSFW kinks even if that Kink isn't inherently sexual.
I am not going to kink shame someone doing that, but seriously doing some of this kinda stuff in-front of children is not a good way to go about it. I am in agreement that kink is the best way to keep the corpo scum away from our fandoms and spaces. However this is also why im extremely opposed to allowing children at furry cons. I used to be ok with it and not think that it was to bad for children to see this until I became a dad myself and started to see how it was negatively affecting my child. Because while 90% isn't anything a kid is gonna think twice about or can be easily pushed off like "Ohh were just acting like cartoons for a giggle" It is the remaining 10% where the problems begin.
Eventually someone will go to far and you will have a Rainfurrest incident or worse and ive unfortunately seen both too many times. ((Also was staff for RF for like 6-7 years so ive seen some shit. Figuratively and literally!)) So while I 100% agree that kink isnt just sexual and that the normies need to take a chill pill we should be more aware of our actions when children are present. Im into macro, and its MOSTLY sfw. My kid doesn't think twice on seeing big furries/ponies/people. But I for sure wont let them see the Macro content where people are getting squished or going into the "Hyper" content and such. People just need to exercise a teeny bit of common sense when expressing ones kink publicly, But not everyone will do that. This way we all can do what we want and you can do what you want, and we can all be happy too!
The Oxford dictionary defines kink as "a sexual desire or practice regarded as unusual or unconventional".
I see no problem with people having kinks, but consent is key. Keep it between consenting adults.
The question is: Are observers inclouded to the group that has to consent? If thats the case, kinks cant be shown in public. They have to stay in NSFW spaces.
@hannesjakobs1982 That's true. It would be reasonable to expect that, if you are in a public space there will be people who do not consent, and not just because it's 'not their thing ' but also those for whom it could be harmful. It's best practice for those who participate to be responsible and keep it in reasonable places.
5:33 Sunstone is a very good safeword!
As someone into petplay I've had so many people be like: oh so you like being fucked as an animal?
And I have to be like
No, I want to be petted and wanna butt my head against someone's hand in full clothes
Well, why are most of puppies wearing the most uncomfortable materials then, if its not a sexual attraction to the material? Neoprene for example could be easyly replaced by more breathable materials without changing the design charicteristics to much or you could choose a fursuit instead, that is actualy uncomfortable to wear but at least provides design opporunities, that are close to the anacted animals and not clearly related to sexfetishes.
Thanks, Ash. 🙂
Yes, some of our art, writing, etc is NSFW. That's why that tag exists. Didn't we learn the hard way that it's absolutely necessary? That's why even FA can be set for SFW-Only.
I think its interesting to see how people initially react to those spaces. Its really telling.
This video reminded me and got me to miss content like this from Odin Wolf. Other than that, this is a good video! ❤
Glad you enjoyed!
Great premiere Ash i enjoyed it
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for spreading the word.
At the moment, from what I have seen is 2.7 of Furaffinity's rules are on hold. Paws if you will 🐾
I'll grab my coat.
I am a ABDL myself, and I must say you did a much better job at explaining this.
Because yes, if they managed to get rid of Babyfurs/Diaperfurs/ABDL.
How say they wouldn't want to do it with other kinks and fetishes.
The rules DID bleed into hypnosis with the rule of no regression, physical or mental.
Once again, thanks Ash
I agree with you in some points, but I still have a key question. If you are confroted with a kinky interaction in a public space, doesnt this violate the most importand roule concerning sexual interactions? Because I think, if you are a bystander of a sexual or a possible sexual interaction, you should have the possibility to consent before that. Thts not possible, if kinks or fetishes are shown in public. People who feel uncomfortable with that cant fully avoid this situation. Same at furryconventions. You cant have a good time there, if kinks are allowed at all spaces at all times, if you dont like to interact with them. Thats, why I think kinks should stay at the NSFW spaces at cons. That makes it possible for all people to enjoy a nice time there. Kinky ones and nonkinky ones.
You call it kink
I call it the man of culture 🍷
Not a lot of people know I'm a pup!
Pup and leather :3
Thank you🐇❤
Exactly said.
5:00 No worries... that one is definitely not on my good-list and... I do not need to look it up anymore. *shivers and not i na good way*
Ah yes, the thing that both hinder and help the furry fandom.
I never believed and I never will that is the reason big corporations avoid furries, or even corporations.
Given some of the biggest Corps out there are not afraid of going over ethics or doing something apauling for a good profit.
That said, Getting rid of Kink is impossible, same for fetish... I think.
So of it is just, stuff considered normal, other is not so much.
Only think to be said is that it does make some people uncomfortable and uneasy.
but hey, if can be avoided, great, if not... is okay.
So true ash Coyote
both times you said FA I was confused wether you mean Facebook or FurAffinity😂, it would fit both
That’s a really good point!
I have always seen facebook abbreviated as FB not FA.
Well made video but I think the rebuttal some have is a little more "than think of the children". 1 is in most cases there is a time and place for such kinky stuff that does not need to be displayed in front of children. 2 Is the fetish very adjacent or is such a kink/fetish that entails actually illegal acts that also can also be morally condemned but for factual foundational reasons due to psychological or physical harm? May kinks/fetishes if not all can be weird but not all of them are directly immoral or illegal. i don't need to list what those are for the sake of being appropriate for this channel. But for many the kinks/fetishes that are between adults that are not Illegal and such are fine but still many need to stay in the bedroom. There's something to be said about having decency and self respect and dignity in the public eye. As a Furry myself I go to Furry conventions for the furry overall. If it were a kink convention I would not be there. I keep the kink/fetish stuff more private.
Thanks for your channel. You do a great job at explaining different topics
My pleasure!