I don't think furaffinity should be banning babyfurs, but I do think that they should finally add the highly requested blacklisted tags feature. (I get that It'll take a lot of work to do, but practically all their competition has it)
There is technically a blacklist, but it's one that requires you install a browser extension and figure out how to set it up on your own, instead of it being a built-in feature. While it's not that difficult, it's also not common knowledge.
@@Auginator1010 definitely something I think everyone could get behind Not only do they keep you from seeing stuff you don't like, but they also help you find the content you do
@@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t Yep. Filter Affinity is what I use for Mozilla Firefox. I got it immediately when I accidentally stumbled upon scat content and was somewhat scarred.
THIS! Dragoneer himself was quoted saying as such. We've been waiting on this for years by this point, while dozens of other art gallery sites utilize this feature from day one and are reasonably successful. I can imagine there'll be a ton of work to be done tagging the 20+ years of submissions on the site, but they should really take notes from sites like e621, where they allow users to add tags to uploads and mods can intervene if needed.
FA has barely any money so it would probably be hard to develop a feature apart from regular upkeep. They could probably make a call to donate for this feature or another kickstarter tho.
@@berrybluebird3842 -- A Tags and Blacklist System was planned for FA, back in 2007. But they decided that "banning certain art" was much easier than re-coding the entire website from the ground up. E6 and Ink Bunny have always had Tagging and Blacklists.
I feel like it is going to be a lot harder for chibi characters to exist on the platform, too, with this policy, given an often-misplaced conflation between cutesy/chibi content and age-regression content. It feels like they’re painting with a broad brush to cover themselves. Apologies if that comes off cynical.
This hurts me too, because i’m kink friendly, and welcome any kink, as long as its consented, but when kinks get hated on, that’s when I have a problem, and speak out on it
One of the artists caught in this most recent banwave was an Ursa winner and drove millions of views to the site for their webcomic that started a full decade ago. If the content was really that objectionable, they wouldn't have won an award for their work and had lots of people reading it and supporting it. They were already being kneecapped by the recent Patreon banwaves and now it's going to get even harder. People's livelihoods are being messed with in a very tangible way with these bans. I really hope Sciggles can make things right and whatever power tripping mod was tearing things up while she was in the hospital gets ousted and removed from power and the affected artists owed a massive apology at the very *least,* or Furaffinity's future is going to look a lot more grim.
I can only speak for myself and what I saw as a Megaplex attendee; this aligns to the sudden hatred and criticisms towards the ABDL community that started on Twitter. At the con people were posting anti ABDL stickers, saying they were furries against that community , labeling them as predators and groomers. The stickers even had a hashtag that said "FURRIES AGAINST ABDL". Clearly this upset people and many removed or covered those stickers and showed support to that community. This sudden purge on FA seems to be a knee jerk reaction from people that hate the ABDL community and want furry spaces to be "sanitized" from them. Like whenever a big thing happens that ruins the vibes of a con (like parading with a prop gun for example), people are quick to say "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WEARING DIAPERS??" . So this sudden purge is too timely with what is going on within the fandom
it's crazy that something as mundane as a pair of underwear can make people like this so furious. i feel like it says more about them than it does any ABDL in the vicinity-- to see someone doing something you don't understand and IMMEDIATELY assume it's something insidious. there's an uncomfortable hypocrisy to it, especially among furries where we're all outcasts anyway
This is why I'm certain that furry Twitter is toxic as the rest of the site these days. It's just alarming how many haven't left the platform yet. I did back in 2023 and switched to a Fediverse instance (and BlueSky later on). Been a profoundly more positive experience without the "drama of the week" being a thing for the most part.
@@pap64 it’s on Instagram too and it’s been driving me nuts. As long as all parties are consenting adults why do you care what ppl get their rocks off to
ill be frank, im someone who doesnt have positive opinions of ABDL furries or Baby furs, i recently discovered them, and in all seriousnouss, while its fine to think back fondly on youre childhood and wish to go back, (who doesnt?) to do so by wearing Diapers? im sorry that seems super freaking weird and may point to other issues then a longing for childhood memories. and it really REALLY did not help when i got into a discussion with some folks about the topic, one bringing up "some of us wear diapers because its for health reasons, this just makes us feel better bout it" and i said, thats fair point about health reasons, but not all of us need to know, just dont fetishise it. then some people joined and it started to derail abit but what really did it was when a individual said (in relation to baby/child furry art) "Babyfurs can be sexual as well and thats fine" and seeing hoardes of people supporting the comment, when i flat out noped out, and that send huge red flags of Pedophilic behaviour and thoughts to me. like with respect, im not going to side against Babyfurs or the AB/DL, but im also not going to side with it since im going with my gut after those interactions, since that really does come off as weird and those comments indicative of someone with genuine issues. honestly, you guys continue doing what you want if it doesnt effect everyone, but not everything needs to be a fetish that everyone needs to know about.
I've wasted a lot of breath on trying to teach people why false equivalency is a bad argument. People really can't understand that they are being manipulated to argue about ABDL when there is a real threat to the community. But I guess it is easy to rile people up about things that make them feel icky so they don't pay attention to the community.
Im worried since more and more spaces are being heavily sanitized. Plus when a new space pops up it ends up fading away after a while or becoming puritian too.
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I'm not into babyfurs or diapers, however I can just scroll and ignore. They shouldn't be banned. If we allow this, how long before they target petplay? CNC? Hypno?
Moderators on FA have been notoriously inconsistent with respect to many aspects of its policy for nearly the sites entire lifespan. Babyfurs are one of the groups affected by this but they're not unique in their treatment. The FA discord is currently turning into the mods circling the wagons and stating that people can appeal. The issue with this is that appeals go to the same moderation team. It's not a separate or independant adjudicator, it's just going "Pretty please?". So these communities are seeing what has been a home for their content, one many in those communities tried to financially save after the passing of Dragoneer, suddenly turn around and start kicking them out. It's, at minimum, a very bad look.
@@JimmyWuffster i think it's also important to note they have been banning former mods who called them out Like just a few days back a former mods made a Twitter post about how the banning didn't match the content policy and got banned, so it definitely seems FA needs a mod purge and to put people into place who actually have experience running these kinds of spaces
This same thing happened a while ago when they updated how they enforce their underage art policy. They were suddenly banning any art of characters, even if they were OCs, for being too short or cute. The appeal system got overloaded pretty quickly and the whole thing was a mess, with different mods interpreting the rules differently and it being completely unclear whether you were breaking the rules or not. It doesn't give me confidence that this will bad handled any better.
For those who may be disgusted or disturbed by certain fetish content, it sounds like Furaffinity is finally doing a good job when it comes to filtering questionable or disgusting content for the majority of the fandom. For those who think that content is okay or have certain fetishes, Furaffinity seems to be engaging in censorship. I think websites like FurAffinity and DeviantArt should have filters that you could choose to apply for fetish content. Or maybe even make it customizable and open, like Bluesky.
Censorship tends to be a slippery slope, especially if nobody is being harmed. I'm aroace myself, and I have severe hemophobia, so there's a lot of mature content I wouldn't want to see. It's not that hard to avoid it, and I don't know who they think they're protecting with moves like this.
it is really hard to avoid nsfw on furaffinity. i have blocked mature content in my settings and i still regularly see genitals on there. the users don’t tag nsfw when it should be tagged
I hope that Furaffinity wont become just another cooperation that basically only seem to care about coin. I don’t know what is happening tho and I will watch the video when I have time(probably tomorrow)
That's what I've been fearful of. Them selling the site off to a corp that doesn't care about the community. I think FA should 100% stay within the fandom, without influence from advertisers.
The elephant in the room is that, regardless of whether it's unethical to ignore an escalation system and jump right from suspensions to bans... nobody should even be considered to have violated the policy for posting something *that wasn't against the rules at the time it was posted*, simply by virtue of the rules changing out from under them. Rules change. I get that. It happens. Your values drift or you need to patch an exploit. Fine. But suspending or banning a user is the correct action when an action was taken that was actually against the rules at the time the action was taken. If you can be banned for art you posted in the past, just by having the rules change out from under it, then NO art is safe to post on FA. Ever. At any time, they can change the rules and retroactively enforce them on anything you posted at any time in the past. And that's not right.
I personally think it's bad to censor a group of people on a "safe space" when they're not harming anyone. Censorship and excessive moderation of unnecessary things is a sign of authoritarianism. Especially because the posts are not against the rules. This is upsetting.
@@sveps8883 for me the most messed up part is strait up ignoring their own strike system Like if something broke the rules why not explain and work with the people to fix stuff This seems less about rules and almost entirely about enforcing their own weird code of morals
I said it in the live chat but i want to restate it so it sticks around Sanitization is never a good thing, it doesnt matter if you argee or disagree with the content that was removed, these were artist who worked hard for their audience and didnt break rules, and yet where axed without a warning If we as a community dont stand up against this abuse of power it will continue, and then where will the line be drawn, horror/gore art, hyper, hell we could even see world where LGBTQIA+ content is flagged as too mature We need to keep the puritan, alt right, lewd content is bad stuff away from our spaces, because if we dont we will no longer have them
They start with stuff like incest/underage fictional content which a lot of people hate already, then they take more and more until there is nothing left.
@@WoodlandGloom yuhp, it's the old divide and conquer, they start with the stuff folks find weird, and then take and take, and by the time it's done no one is left to fight for the more neutral stuff Remember people that Babyfur, Vorefur, Inflationfur, ect is more likely to fight for you because they've been harassed before We only survive as a community when we work together, and quit trying to shove people off into corners and act like we are the "normal" ones
I browse fur affinity sometimes, and i feel sad because they are doing such a ooor job in moderation. I'm probably not gonna switch to e621 because I'm not interested in porn (im asexual) and most of the posts here are porn.
FA was built from scratch using 100% custom code in the early 2000s, because the web technology of the time was fairly limited. Techniques to make the code easier to work with had also not made their way to web technology yet at the time. So pretty much the only people who could do updates would be the ones who were involved in the code from the start and worked full time on it without any other obligations/jobs... Which is nobody.
@PixlRainbow not an excuse to update and maintain a website. Kiwi farms is ran on code older and that evil chud who owns it updates it weekly to deal with attacks and updates fetures
There is a lot going on and Babyfurs are scared. FA REALLY needs to release some sort of statement. I want us all to get along in the community. I think once we get a statement things will become a lot more clear and less gray!
I have been so sick lately of the ABDL/babyfur hate train that’s been so trendy as of late. It’s just so annoying and preachy, and there’s absolutely nothing more insufferable than being preached at by people who clearly have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Now, I could be wrong, as I personally am not into abdl stuff (but had done a lot of digging into it a bit ago when I was younger bc I was confused lol) but I think abdl is really more easily understood if you look at it through a BDSM lens. ABDL doesn’t always have that punishment/sadomasochism part to it, but the caregiver/little dynamic is pretty much like an extension of a dom/sub dynamic. All of the ABDL content I have seen has not even involved sex at all, nor has it involved anyone resembling a child mentally or physically (just my experiences, ofc, feel free to share if you have different ones). It’s ALWAYS been consenting adults, with power dynamics and sometimes punishments being the focus, and with no more than themes of infantilization, of course (like diapers, clothes, bottles, etc. From what I’ve seen it’s really like an aesthetic thing lol). When you actually know what ABDL is, the pdf file comparison just seems like such a stretch. Anyways, that’s enough about me having unrestricted internet access when I was under 18 💀💀💀💀 (don’t be like me lmfao. On a serious note, there are definitely bad people “hiding” in the ABDL community, and I would not recommend minors to go looking there.)
@chickennuggetpaw please explain to me how caregiver/little dynamic is like dom and sub because ts dont even SOUND right 💀🙏🏾 if its so much like that then just do dom and sub why does ts have to be about babies????... also id argue that MOST of the abdl community does sexual shit in those diapers and bottles and act like kids and genuinely get off to it
Got a friend in the ABDL group, and can I just say he is one of if not the most mature, aware, and considerate person I know. We're both perfectly well aware how weird it is, but hes an adult keeping it between consenting adults, and he just enjoys being able to let go of adult life for a bit. Hate whats been happening to others, hate the hand Sciggles has been delt in this, really hope they can recover soon and take a look at things
this isn't the first time this has happened. there is one specific mod that hates the stuff and every time there's any sort of drama and/or power shift they go on a crusade. the exact same wave of bannings happened when the brony trend peeked
While this is a great video for what's going on RIGHT NOW, it fails to mention that this is another step in the escalation against BF content in the past 18 months: 1. When AUP 2.7 was updated, there was a common front from the BF community, asking for clarification and/or change to the extremely vague language and overly-broad verbiage of the rule, that could literally mean anything. We weren't against it - we just believed (and rightfully so) - that it was overreaching, unreasonable and very easily abused. 2. About 2-3 months ago, a few "less known" BF artists were suspended (some eventually banned, like Fang) for things that were apparently okay from the rule side, but the mods quoted 2.7 as the reason why the bans/suspensions happened. When asked for clarification, nothing of value was provided, so the BF community was left confused and hypothesising about what to do. Some artists tried to sanitize their content, removing what they thought was the problematic content. Only after all this, did it come to a head in the last few days. While it feels targetted against the BF community, it's because to us, this is the third iteration - and the one that is, by far, the biggest hit on us through who was suspended/banned - of this. And the first two times, we were ignored by staff and the furry community at large. Yes, this is indicative of a broader issue with FA; one that has been raised countless times in well over the last decade. And sure, Sciggles being in the hospital is an issue, and I do feel for them regarding their state. But considering that, according to WikiFur (since FA's staff page shows nothing anymore), they have a second OPSADMIN of the same level as Sciggles, there's no way that this could not be at least partially handled by this other OPSADMIN... unless that OPSADMIN is the issue. At which point, Sciggles could ask the team to make a statement or something; it can be done from the hospital if she can reply to Twitter posts. But we've not received anything of that sort. In spite of Luffy, on the Discord, saying that they are working on a statement since Friday, just that they want to make sure it's not misconstrued/misunderstood. Most of us are more than willing to give FA and its staff the benefit of the doubt, but to a certain extent. And that good faith from us is rapidly dwindling, as time passes and more and more issues are cropping up regarding this ongoing event - now, people that express support openly for us are getting banned with a "you're not a good fit for
I was turned on to the community by someone I later found out was an ABDL. He was and still is one of the most awesome people I know so I just didn't care about him being an ABDL. I've also met a few other furs that were into the same, even more so than him, and they were amazing people too. I just can't form a negative opinion of someone just because they're into one harmless activity that I'm not into. Just like all furry art, some ABDL works are explicit and some are not. It doesn't make sense to me to paint it all with the same brush.
I've heard all about this. And I do have a few friends that are babyfurs, and for them to get banned even AFTER their galleries got cleaned, they got banned just for their existence. Yeah. That's how far they'll go. And it looks like FA is gonna be hit big time, and that, people who got support from the babyfur community, will be affected too there.
One of the Artists suspended and can't upload on their of her pages is Anastasia Bryce, aka Babystar/Toddlergurl two time recipient of the Ursa Major awards on her comics Found and Shine. She has tried to contest the suspension with an Appeal but has not received any word back yet from moderators.
I'm no baby fur, but As long as there are no nsfw parts to it, why ban it? Also, from my small amount of knowledge, A good chunk of baby furs are the way they are because something traumatic happened in their childhood.
Honestly, I don't feel that the FA staff will actually follow through. The babyfur community had previously asked for more clear and direct rules so they wouldn't be hit by a mod making a bad call and/or a bigoted mod attacking their community. FA staff didn't clarify further. People in the babyfur community said this EXACT scenario would happen. I think that the mod staff at FA needs to take a look at themselves and do a quick test. Do you have a bias against any subcommunity in the furry fandom? If yes, you should NOT be a mod. Full stop. Moderators are supposed to be fair and impartial.
I’m someone who accepts ABDL and babyfur content even to a point where I may accept to be one if I were to hang out with some of these people irl but these bans happening to these babyfurs?!? No I don’t think FurAffinity should ban any of them unless they violate the guidelines etc, I’m certainly concerned in the direction of FurAffinity and how it’s been abused right after Dragoneer’s passing and especially after a hacking incident that happened, hopefully FurAffinity won’t become as strict as Tumblr or other sites.
It's wild how inconsistent mods are with enforcing this rule change. I've seen artists banned for regular ABDL art, not even babyfur. Even art of someone's Animal Crossing avatar got them banned. This is a clear push to 'sanitize' the furry fandom & it's definitely targeted. Babyfurs & diaperfurs aren't going anywhere tho. They run every con lol
First of all, thanks for covering this topic Ash, I hope it brings more awareness to what's happening in the furry community and FA in particular. Yeah, on social media I see people posting they are suddenly getting banned for art that they posted years ago and moderators justify a permanent ban rather than a warning because the artist has multiple "problematic" artworks. It's such a weird situation. I just personally think there is a big void in leadership after Dragoneer's passing and moderators are just abusing their power. I don't think they are necessarily selling the website because there are a heck of a lot more kinks than just babyfurs. You made a great point on transparency, I honestly don't even know anyone controlling the website now or its moderators. I feel like there are no checks and balances between them and anyone can just ban whoever they want. Overall, it's really terrible for the artists who suddenly lose out on their page without warning and all the followers who are there to support and commission them. Thanks again for covering this Ash 👍
Soinds like these bans are a result of confusion over leadership. Since the main moderator is in the hospital, I feel that things over at FA are in disarray over who's who and what's what.
I just felt sad that babyfur are being treated unfairly. The artists are amazing and talented. They tagged properly and others that don’t want to see tag can just blacklist em.
I still keep hoping nothing will be happening. FA is where I made my home sixteen years ago and it continues to do so. This year has been a rocky one for the site and will continue to be rocky thanks to doomsayers and individuals spreading misinformation with malicious intent to harm the site. All of this is due to some disagreement or past conflict they've had with Dragoneer or FA staff.
Frankly, there's a number of mods who need to be put in their place, whether let go or otherwise taking accountability for their actions. This applies not only to this particular situation, but the subject of FA implementing a tag/blacklist feature as well. Back when 'neer was still around, during the first controversy back in 2018, he actually suggested as such to the mod team! Had a very similar stance of babyfur stuff, of not liking it personally but knowing it was important to the community to allow it within reason. When he brought up the suggestion of revisiting the project, I got the impression that there were certain members of the mod team who were downright against the idea. I can understand it being a daunting task from a sysadmin standpoint, but it would ultimately resolve a number of the community issues this site faces. It's been proven on literally EVERY other art gallery site that's been stood up since FA. Assuming that's the case with these folks, I'd be inclined to say there's been internal conflict and turmoil going on for years. Perhaps it's best to find new members for the mod team. Folks who'd have a fresh perspective to bring about better change. I'm only a junior sysadmin, skillset wise, but I'd gladly volunteer to help if I feasibly could.
TRUE! This reminds me of that post that describes how the way car doors close is fascist(google "car door slamming fascist" it was something Adorno wrote). You're absolutely right that its a reactionary and authoritarian position people just struggle to see how ingrained fascist manifestations show up in our everyday thinking and life.
Personally, I get not wanting to make your site a harbor for nsfw images that involve minors, and I can see why some people would get that idea and worry about baby fur communities having that, and I get that feeling of discomfort looking at stuff like that. But I’m also aware that a majority of babyfur is just a part of the furry fandom that just want to have that childhood they never got to have and everything they’re showing at its core is still very innocent and wholesome and NOT intended to be f3tishy or NSFW at all. They don’t deserve to be punished over people who are running a site that thinks that doing otherwise will make the Furry Fandom look bad. The outside world is going to hate us no matter what we do, so why should we care if something isn’t “normal” in the eyes of an unjust society?
@@mr.x2567 i think it's also important for those of us not within that space to recognize how important some of them are to our community Every major furry con has at least one on staff that I'm aware of, a ton of the streamers in that community apparently donated to helping keep FA online I think the reality here is that a blacklist feature should be put in place and we should leave it up to people to decide what they want to see Fa is a platform for artist to make money and build communities, it should not have an all omnipotent guiding handing forcing its morality down everyones throats
The furry community, and the queer community generally, always has to contend with younger people coming into our spaces and this can cause problems. With COVID and worsening educational standards young people are being somewhat radicalized towards supporting purity culture even if they say they are on the left and even if they are queer, there is a sort of LGBT but without queer politics sentiment going around that is causing a lot of harm to minorities and particularly trans people since we are the easiest target. This is very visible in regards to "proship" and "anti" discourse where I have had multiple people come to me and tell me that as children they had adults use them as bait for predators, we are seeing the rise of a very sex negative, very moralistic, very christian set of sentiments that is inarguably getting more people hurt on all sides but you cannot speak out against it or else you too will be likened to supporting predators and abuse. We are just seeing the logical result of people being unwilling to look at their own feelings to break down why they feel a certain way with critical thinking, we live in a post-truth world now where whoever says something loudest is the most truthful. I've done a lot of legitimate work both academically and socially in various communities, including in trying to get things like paraphilic interests (which most of us have) brought forward and kinda destigmatized and shown to be what they are, just different sexual interests that (even for the big name ones) are not inherently harmful. The problem with this is even if you can cite studies, even if you have the DSM-V on your side, even if research agrees with you, people can still just say very loudly that you are promoting harm against X group. This uncritical and frankly anti-truth behavior has been growing in popularity. Kids, having had their social lives ruined by COVID, society further being sanitized towards a normalized mean that is profitable, lack of teaching critical thinking in school or parents to their children, all culminates in what we are seeing now. Things like BDSM, transness, sexuality, all of it being reduced to a gross 'other' that endangers vulnerably people. Because of all of that it is very easy and very profitable in regards to the attention economy to say "All babyfurs are 'pdf-files' and all 'pdf-files' are abusers", despite none of that being true in any way it feeds into the fear of an other, it feeds into our desire to have a social enemy, and it feeds into the socially prescribed need to normalize communities towards broader social norms. People hate "pdf-files" so its become very popular to call those who you dislike that term and its made easier when the group you deslike engages in age regression, "transage" behavior, or just simply likes the aesthetic of childhood due to the comfort it can bring. This then gets picked up but people who desire heavier monetization and promoted by those people as a way to make things seem safer (usually they're just as if not more harmful). When a community gets more popular, it must necessarily kick out all the "weirdos" and "kinksters" because not only are they not profitable but they may "endanger those who need safety" and it makes said community unpalatable to normative culture. For me, all of this is just assimilationist desires becoming more mainstream despite the fact that assimilating never works because we as queers and as furries are already default in a place beyond the norm, there is no amount of purity culture or santiziation that will make our spaces acceptable to the majority as unfortunate as that may be. For FA specifically this could be about making more money, but I do think this is part of a broader movement towards removing uncomfortable aspects of our communities in the vain hope that we wont be the targets forever, when really thats not how social change works and we will only be targeted more because of it. FAs actions do not exist in a vacuum and everywhere things like feral, like babyfur, like ABDL, like bloodplay are all becoming targets for exclusionist and assimilationist rhetoric. As a very sex positive person who has both academic and personal experience in regards to sexology and abnormal psych, we are certainly seeing more and more harmful treatment towards completely innocent people and that includes some groups most are not yet ready to learn about or be educated on. As a sex radical myself, its very scary and it wont just be people like me who get the axe, eventually it will be all furries because well... an anthro animal is still an animal, be loud enough and you can portray all of us as animal abusers. I do hope there is more pushback on this from every possible direction, all that must matter in kink is consent, harm, and safety. No thought can hurt anyone, no fetish or attraction is inherently bad, fantasy is not reality, and it is not harmful to engage with your feelings in a safe, consensual, and sane way with other adults. We're letting ourselves get dominated by advertisers, capitalists, and puritans. Thats just my opinion as like an anarchist academic who is very extreme about sex positivity and not judging people. Seems to work because I have very happily gotten a lot of people the support they need and also have calmed people down about their own interests that made them self harm. I see no benefit to the social sadism growing in our communities nor the whitewashing of our spaces for profit. Having a blacklist also wont matter, it would be a good feature but E621 gets into a lot of drama for the content is has on there. The problem is deeper, people want this content and the people who enjoy it completely gone. Sometimes physically, I've seen a lot of friends get threats over babyfur. This problem is bigger than FA and way bigger than just a blacklist.
"not letting me fetishize infants is christian right wing extremism" said the walking timebomb who needs his devices seized and searched by the feds ASAP
Ethics of the imagery itself aside, it sounds like there may be some kind of concerted effort that should probably be nipped before any of it can go further than necessary.
Unapologetically AR here. So long as I have access to a good working blocklist for content that *may* take me out of the headspace I need I'm not bothered what the rest of you do so longs as it's all legal. We've all got our interests and what nots. What I do find interesting is that twice I have posted as have several others non abuse Shout Outs on the Ursa award winners account only to find them and everything on the shout outs scrubbed to 2020. As a personal friend who has spent days together under one roof with them I am at a loss how you could possibly regard them and their art as anything but acceptable. Something leads me to the idea a Mod is scrubbing that account on a regular basis.
I see nothing wrong with having content such as it up on the site, as long as its sfw then its good. companies and organizations always seem to fail with lack of transparency and integrity, we can't let FA fall into that.
I agree that they're likely "purging" the site to appeal to investors much like Tumblr did as you've said. But I also feel like they're doing it because after Dragoneer's passing & the hacking situation, the fandom is in a pretty big tizzy. The fandom is severely ron in 3 places. THe people dancing on Dragoneer's grave, the people begging those people to stop because a hero/idol/friend passed and this is the last upset they need added on top of everything, and then there's the side Im on the people in the middle who absolutely hate dragoneer due to his past/controversies but we can only offer love and support and hope the fandom can recover after this massive hit the fandom took. And because of this hit people are getting harassed and hurt way more than normal, the fandom is wounded and the wrong people are taking advantage of that. One such harassment campaign is the war on baby furs, I have seen way too many furs and non-furs alike bash this kinkmunity and call them all sorts of horrible words/slurs. And the biggest wartrain path these people are taking is that these people walk around cons with "eternally dirty" diapers and that they're all "pdf files". Which gee I wonder where I've heard THAT ONE before! The LGBTQ mafia is in the same spot but due to politics. Everyone is going after their own kind because they're wounded and scared, and I hear these arguments and other nonsense on the daily! I support babyfurs myself and I understand the other side's arguments but to do something like this seems a bit extreme though my hard guess above is mostly an understandable reason. But there ARE good noodles and bad eggs in every fandom, community, etc. so this "excuse/reason" is too extreme and generalized to fall on and use as a weapon. But unfortunately there's nothing we can do but politely use our voices and wait. I just hope that once all this is over and the fandom recovers from everything we can use this as a lesson to the future of right and wrong extremes. And sorry for rambling I tend to yap alot when things get "political" like this. But I wanted to air everything out in the clearest and most mature way I could. My condolences go to everyone affected by this, even those affected by Dragoneer's passing I hope you all will be ok once the adrenaline from all this wears off. Stay safe and dont forget to hydrate and have a little snack to calm down after this
I'm concerned that the moderation change / issue could be either another sneaky cyberattack or the same one and FA thought they got control back, but they really didn't .
AB/DL content is not precisely my thing, but so are other sub groups of the furry cummunity and I do not think personal disapproval is a valid reason to exclude those groups completely, at least not online, like on furaffinity, where I can actively filter the content I want. Any such exclusions and restrictions that may or may not happen regardless, should at least be transparently communicated and handled in alignment with community guidelines, which seems furaffinity has failed to do in this case. I do get the impression that the recent bans are mostly, if not entirely, the result of internal disagreements and hasty decisions by some moderators, rather than long term plans. Ultimately we will have to wait for an official statement. That is all I can say without blasting this comment to the length of an academic paper. Big, stronk and fluffy dergy huggies for all of you..
I’m sorry to say but I won’t be able to make it to the live because of morning Church service however I know this video will be a “dive in” on the issues associated with FurAffinity and how it’s banning others left and right, I’ll come back here in the afternoon and share what I think of this problem 👍👍💖💖
My recent ex was a baby fur. Never again, she made it literally her whole life(in and out of suit). Not for me, tried to make it work for months, but this was the straw, ash, my first t4t, and it was a bad experience bc of this stuff But I still think the bans are screwed up.
Sorry for your bad experience. Lack of communication about what partners desire is the bad thing in this. But at the end of the day im asexual a d aromantic so... I don't know much about relationships
There is absolutely zero excuse for banning SFW ABDL content and disrupting communities, and dare I say NSFW art as well. Furry is supposed to be a safe space for artists, but Furaffinity's Discord shows very clearly babyfurs continuing to be banned. Without active support of the babyfur/age regression community on staff, the livelihood of an entire community depends on moderators who historically had no qualms in destroying their own community. Nothing excuses the lack of transparency or FA's actions, here. All of FA's remaining leadership is able to view who banned what, or implement protections to prevent further bans. This has NOT happened. FA's finances should allow them to survive for decades. A good stock portfolio can net 35-40% annual returns nowadays. If they can pay their debts over some amount of time, the suggested $300,000 debt figure could be completely covered within a few years.
I believe it's a rogue mod that's violation their commands or to abuse their power. It's something that should be investigated and brought to either the co owner or whoever owns the site now that Dragoneer has passed.
I'm wondering what is their motivation for this? And why banning instead of other strategies? To me this sounds like somebody got their hand squeezed, or the owners are preparing to sell this platform and they want it squeaky clean. Unless they are interested in becoming transparent and provide proper justification, these 2 seem the most plausible.
I have a suspicion there's valuable information were not being given by the mods, or FA was secretly hit by a mass reporting raid. I can't figure out whats happening since Scoggles's twitter doesn't show any updates on the matter, the discord isn't providing any useful information, and because I can't check if any accounts were reinstated I don't know what's happening. I have messaged the mods to gather some information on the matter. Will report back once I get a response.
So it seems like FA is trying to at least talk to some of the individuals they banned, but is still engaging in vague and inconsistent messaging, which could be argued as goal post moving. Please see the Journal posted by Gemma whom you mentioned in your video upon their return: (I would link directly to the journal but I would not want to violate her privacy by publicly posting it, although it is publicly available) Also of highly suspect motivation is upon her release from hospital one of the things related to FA that Sciggles has tweeted about and has been reposted by the FA twitter, was her post focusing on pushing out shop orders, this can hardly be considered in good faith to a community that is waiting with bated breath for her return to address issues that have occurred in her absence. If you'd like a copy of this post I have screenshotted it, in case it becomes suddenly deleted to maintain image.
I continue to worry that FA will simply disappear like the GeoCities purge. There is countless creative work on FA that will be gone forever if something like that happens. If members lose faith in operations it could easily become a ghost town.
There are many kinks that upset me, but that’s just my own opinion. Anyone who calls for censorship on opinion based morality needs to just shut up entirely. Do us all a favor, and call out the individuals who are causing harm, not a WHOLE FREAKING COMMUNITY.
Are they just getting extremely scared of legal action against them for stuff?? I mean first the whole chibi thing and not wanting anything that looks like it's young characters and now this idea passing around. It's like they want to avoid cub content so badly that they're just doing the easy and extreme thing of trying to purge any and all stuff that would have any closeness to the bad side of underage looking adult art.
If I had to guess I'd say it's because Furries have been getting allot of attention in media. With more eyeballs cast on the community, there is more criticism. With a sight like furraffinity allot of it's content is sexual based, so seeing that next to baby furs might raise questions for the average person or advertiser.
I understand if babyfur stuff seems... Weirder than usual, but they have no good reason of banning it... Like, there's nothing wrong or sexual with it. Does anyone know if it's recieved a lot of criticism for anything?
As an old timey furry, I am happy to see them and also ferals be rejected by modern furry. Now I have kids and I wouldn't want one of them stumbling across the problematic sides of Furry. That said, it is pretty ironic that FA of all places would make that move.
The obvious reason is that FA bans "cub" material, as they should, and ABDL content is often indistinguishable, at least without knowing more details about the characters, from cub content. They were already cracking down on sexual content of characters perceived to be underage, including rookie Digimon and early evolution Pokémon. So this crackdown is in no way surprising but a continuation of recent more strict policies on anything that can be perceived as underage content. Most furry platforms ban inappropriate "cub" content with Ink Bunny being the major outlier I am aware of.
The main issue I see with ABDL is that it’s very much seen by many people out of the loop(people who aren’t as familiar with the furry fandom)as being a thinly veiled borderline p3do fetish. The furry community has been becoming more and more mainstream over the years, and not everyone is as enthusiastic about baby furs as others. Many furries want the community to be as inclusive as possible, and if that means trying to hide the more generally problematic aspects behind the closed doors of room parties(instead of exposing this “kink” in full view in the lobby) then that’s the price of going mainstream. You should still be able to find ABDL if you know where to look, but it shouldn’t be the first thing you see if you’re brand new to the community, as that will push a LOT more people away than it would otherwise bring in. ABDL should be under a universal default blacklist that can be disabled by any user(likely working the same way the E6 blacklist works)
Of course, this is playing devil’s advocate for the anti-ABDL crowd. My personal belief is that you should do what you want how you want, so long as it doesn’t affect any non-consenting parties. Whatever consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my concern. Here’s my other suggestion: If you go onto FA, you should expect just “standard” furry art. If you want to Search for more refined/niche content, then you should be able to. I believe the issue stems from how the homepage works, showing ALL recent/trending content. If FA were to simply restrict certain content from ONLY being shown on the homepage, BUT being able to be easily searched for(like a “secret menu” of sorts) then I believe all sides can generally agree on this solution: the pro-ABDL side can have their content through easily searching for it, and the anti-ABDL side can’t see it without specifically asking for it(which defeats any argument against it)
they are being adult babies content? why is everything that is happening recently going to hell? even more so since abdl is a fetish that is definitely much less sexual than others
Even if i think baby furs is something i despise from the furry community i think the non fetishized side should be allowed to post i think it shouldn’t be on the front page tho same as all type of fetishized contents like inflation etc… and they need to add Blacklisted tags or ban some topics all together i’m sure some one won’t die if they don’t watch suspicious contents mostly if it imply people that young.
I hadn't heard about Sciggles being in the hospital. I hope they'll be okay. Thank you for summarizing the situation. (I don't log onto FA that often.) Judging by things I've heard, this isn't the first time they've broken their own rules and they don't always do a good job of fixing the situation when they do. If this proves anything, it's that you should always have more than one place where you post things you want to display and always keep back-up copies offline.
Honestly things would be more clear cut if we knew WHO was doing the bannings. Cause there are multiple people on the moderation team and for all we know this could all be down to one person going on a power trip taking things down that they personally don't like. Granted that is speculation but until we know which moderator(s) are behind the bans details are gonna be scarce.
As a babyfur myself, I really think they shouldn't ban ANY art unless it's bigotted or real-world harmful in some way. They really should add a blacklisting feature instead of purging the weirder stuff. What happened to keeping furry weird? 9_9
Thats terrible to know that babyfurs are getting banned off FA. I see nothing wrong with that community. Most art I've seen involving Babyfurs were harmless.
well except for the issue their community too often likes to make excuses for sexualising minors. i think they do more harm to our community then good, but course i can change my view when is genuine effort to purge the bad actors
I'm not a furry and I think babyfurs are actively weird. I think I understand what they are and don't really like it. But the thing is I can tolerate things I find actively weird. If every single platform, on every single site, has the exact same policy. It begins to feel like the whole internet is working off of one mandate and that is chilling to me. It is really starting to with payment processors basically being the self-appointed judge and jury of morality. Also if it is just "It is their platform, a private company, and they can do whatever they want." then why is the change on every website *always* towards restriction rather than opening up restrictions? Surely *someone* at one of these websites, fully free of external factors and fully free to act as they please, at SOME POINT would have a change of heart in the other direction if it is fully their fancy yes? I do hope it is just a moderation flub, because i don't want yet another legacy website to die a slow agonizing death...
This should not be a question. There is an extremely clear reason why. And that reason is extremely valid. I do not see why so many people think This is so controversial oml.
i know that nobody cares, but here’s an analogy about this type of content because so many are divided on it. let’s pretend that baby fur content is alcohol in this instance. some people utilize alcohol to ease anxiety, celebrate identity (ex marriage/turning 21) or for fun. does 1 drink hurt anyone? no, not necessarily. but for some, it does. in moderation, alcohol is fine. but there ARE people who abuse it, and use it to harm others. unfortunately, there are people who drive drunk and will harm innocent people who didn’t consent to their choices; there are active gr00mers in the community that need to be outed/NOT ALL BABYFURS ARE GROOMERS. ultimately, i am not a baby fur, and when i worked in the mental health field with seggs offenders, many did use this content to “soothe” their needs until it couldn’t anymore. will every baby fur harm non consenting parties? no, but the statistic is NOT zero. unfortunately, this is and will stay taboo due to laws (as in the US, drawn genitalia of children (anything under the age of 18) is considered child pr0n. because i am chronically ill and sfw , i would be upset if someone was wearing a used diaper while interacting with me, and i am very against people drawing infant and childlike characters in sexual situations or their genitals. we need to pay attention to illegal activities and art pieces instead of banning the whole.
We can use this analogy for any kink, esxual or not, or even vanilla sex. There are bad Apples everywhere. There are addicts everywhere. But most importantly, there are people who just enjoy it and are harming no one.
As a Babyfur/ABDL, this hurts me in many ways. I understand diaper stuff is not everyone's thing, but I literally heard Dragoneer day himself while attending a con a long time ago. "If I could without any consequence ban all babyfurs off Furaffinity, I would." Which means this was all planned from the get-go. Dragoneer hated Babyfurs. This all just makes me mad that it is 2024 and furrys still hate on other furrys for no real reason.
@fireisnotreal That make you one then since all furrys are labeled as such and not just babyfurs. Your comment proves you know absolutely nothing about the furry community.
It's, unfortunately, one of those things that will plague us until the end of time; humans will hate other humans for any reason, and if they don't have one, they'll make up a reason.
The GoFundMe is still accepting donations today even though it has surpassed the current goal, so at this point it seems like they seen dollar signs and are milking it.
While I don't see anything wrong with artwork depicting safe-for-work age regression, I really don't like the "babyfur" community because based on my experience, it's rare to see a self-described babyfur NOT sexualize that regression, or worse, be into cub 💀 I do however, think a user-based blacklist would be the best idea, as that is something furaffinity desperately needs and is the reason I mostly avoid the site.
Hey, I know you are just trying to educate people a little on Abdl but please don’t use phrases like “…who find comfort in revisiting their childhood….” and “regression” with your explanation if you aren’t going to say anything about it being sexual. That would be age regression (agere for short) you are talking about. Please provide a short and simple distinction between abdl and age regression. Like something along the lines of “Abdl are adults who role-play as children for sexual purposes” and “Age regression is when someone physiologically resort to a younger state, its recommended by many therapists as a coping mechanism for trauma, stress, etc. Typically, with no sexual aspect to it what so ever” Just trying to keep the lines between abdl/ageplay/ddlg etc and agere from being even more blurred. Thats the whole reason why FA banned agere content as well. They are both often regarded as the same thing with a lot of people, so its best to just get rid of both and be done with it. btw since abdl is kink, saying “…revisiting their childhood…” for it makes it sound like they were being graped when they were kids…. yuck. All love! ❤ /gen
@Posyprince The distinction is sometimes blurred deliberately. The kinky ones don't only make sexual art, after all - and they can ride the line quite intentionally.
@@vylbird8014 A lot of abdl art seems to be non sexual because its art of children doing child things. The child being a child is intended to be kinky to someone. Its intended to be sexual. No one needs to see any d**ks outs to know to its for a sexual purpose. Yes it is the distinction is blurred purposely sometimes, people love ruining others rep for their own selfish personal gain
ACTUALLY not all ABDLs do it for sexual stuff. I AM an abdl that just does it for comfort. Age regression is when you add in the fact that you act like a baby in every way shape or form, usually SFW.
Never herd of this sight til now.. makes me wonder if there not using AI to clean house. I have seen stuff like this going on with Pinterest.. hope things get better there. would like check out this furry site you speak of one of these days. I believe in balance but banning to point where you make ever one a outcast is not a good look. That's my take on this since iam outsider to this news.
I don't think furaffinity should be banning babyfurs, but I do think that they should finally add the highly requested blacklisted tags feature. (I get that It'll take a lot of work to do, but practically all their competition has it)
Having options to blacklist content would be a great idea
There is technically a blacklist, but it's one that requires you install a browser extension and figure out how to set it up on your own, instead of it being a built-in feature. While it's not that difficult, it's also not common knowledge.
Blacklist is better than banning artists ❤
@@Auginator1010 definitely something I think everyone could get behind
Not only do they keep you from seeing stuff you don't like, but they also help you find the content you do
@@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t Yep. Filter Affinity is what I use for Mozilla Firefox. I got it immediately when I accidentally stumbled upon scat content and was somewhat scarred.
JUST ADD A BLACK LIST SYSTEM.
THIS! Dragoneer himself was quoted saying as such. We've been waiting on this for years by this point, while dozens of other art gallery sites utilize this feature from day one and are reasonably successful.
I can imagine there'll be a ton of work to be done tagging the 20+ years of submissions on the site, but they should really take notes from sites like e621, where they allow users to add tags to uploads and mods can intervene if needed.
FA has barely any money so it would probably be hard to develop a feature apart from regular upkeep.
They could probably make a call to donate for this feature or another kickstarter tho.
@@taukakao E621 has one. There is no excuse.
@@berrybluebird3842 -- A Tags and Blacklist System was planned for FA, back in 2007. But they decided that "banning certain art" was much easier than re-coding the entire website from the ground up. E6 and Ink Bunny have always had Tagging and Blacklists.
@@taukakao e621 has one and i make good use of that blacklisting system to avoid certain tags. There's no excuse that will be accepted here.
I feel like it is going to be a lot harder for chibi characters to exist on the platform, too, with this policy, given an often-misplaced conflation between cutesy/chibi content and age-regression content. It feels like they’re painting with a broad brush to cover themselves. Apologies if that comes off cynical.
You aren't wrong. It seems like they are just enforcing the rule arbitrarily.
@@AshCoyote ikr! Also, wow you reply fast! >w< I appreciate that, and the affirmation. For a little bit, it felt like i was going nuts
This hurts me too, because i’m kink friendly, and welcome any kink, as long as its consented, but when kinks get hated on, that’s when I have a problem, and speak out on it
Its sad to see
Yeah. Even as someone who is made uncomfortable by that type of art, I'm still against banning it.
@@Liliana_the_ghost_cat Yep, the simple solution is appropriate tagging and blacklisting
@@bajscast yep. That's what I do
Soooo you are openly into children?
One of the artists caught in this most recent banwave was an Ursa winner and drove millions of views to the site for their webcomic that started a full decade ago. If the content was really that objectionable, they wouldn't have won an award for their work and had lots of people reading it and supporting it. They were already being kneecapped by the recent Patreon banwaves and now it's going to get even harder. People's livelihoods are being messed with in a very tangible way with these bans. I really hope Sciggles can make things right and whatever power tripping mod was tearing things up while she was in the hospital gets ousted and removed from power and the affected artists owed a massive apology at the very *least,* or Furaffinity's future is going to look a lot more grim.
Wait which comic was that? I think I might know who you’re talking about!
I can only speak for myself and what I saw as a Megaplex attendee; this aligns to the sudden hatred and criticisms towards the ABDL community that started on Twitter. At the con people were posting anti ABDL stickers, saying they were furries against that community , labeling them as predators and groomers. The stickers even had a hashtag that said "FURRIES AGAINST ABDL". Clearly this upset people and many removed or covered those stickers and showed support to that community.
This sudden purge on FA seems to be a knee jerk reaction from people that hate the ABDL community and want furry spaces to be "sanitized" from them. Like whenever a big thing happens that ruins the vibes of a con (like parading with a prop gun for example), people are quick to say "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WEARING DIAPERS??" . So this sudden purge is too timely with what is going on within the fandom
it's crazy that something as mundane as a pair of underwear can make people like this so furious. i feel like it says more about them than it does any ABDL in the vicinity-- to see someone doing something you don't understand and IMMEDIATELY assume it's something insidious. there's an uncomfortable hypocrisy to it, especially among furries where we're all outcasts anyway
This is why I'm certain that furry Twitter is toxic as the rest of the site these days. It's just alarming how many haven't left the platform yet. I did back in 2023 and switched to a Fediverse instance (and BlueSky later on). Been a profoundly more positive experience without the "drama of the week" being a thing for the most part.
@@pap64 it’s on Instagram too and it’s been driving me nuts. As long as all parties are consenting adults why do you care what ppl get their rocks off to
ill be frank,
im someone who doesnt have positive opinions of ABDL furries or Baby furs,
i recently discovered them, and in all seriousnouss, while its fine to think back fondly on youre childhood and wish to go back, (who doesnt?) to do so by wearing Diapers? im sorry that seems super freaking weird and may point to other issues then a longing for childhood memories.
and it really REALLY did not help when i got into a discussion with some folks about the topic, one bringing up "some of us wear diapers because its for health reasons, this just makes us feel better bout it"
and i said, thats fair point about health reasons, but not all of us need to know, just dont fetishise it.
then some people joined and it started to derail abit but what really did it was when a individual said (in relation to baby/child furry art) "Babyfurs can be sexual as well and thats fine" and seeing hoardes of people supporting the comment, when i flat out noped out, and that send huge red flags of Pedophilic behaviour and thoughts to me.
like with respect, im not going to side against Babyfurs or the AB/DL, but im also not going to side with it since im going with my gut after those interactions, since that really does come off as weird and those comments indicative of someone with genuine issues.
honestly, you guys continue doing what you want if it doesnt effect everyone, but not everything needs to be a fetish that everyone needs to know about.
I've wasted a lot of breath on trying to teach people why false equivalency is a bad argument. People really can't understand that they are being manipulated to argue about ABDL when there is a real threat to the community. But I guess it is easy to rile people up about things that make them feel icky so they don't pay attention to the community.
Im worried since more and more spaces are being heavily sanitized. Plus when a new space pops up it ends up fading away after a while or becoming puritian too.
It could potentially go the way of patreon or tumblr
@@AshCoyote I really hope not. Part of me wonders if that's too optimistic but only time will tell.
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either way i'm gonna have to move to inkbunny
The irony
I'm not into babyfurs or diapers, however I can just scroll and ignore. They shouldn't be banned. If we allow this, how long before they target petplay? CNC? Hypno?
Or transformations?
Moderators on FA have been notoriously inconsistent with respect to many aspects of its policy for nearly the sites entire lifespan. Babyfurs are one of the groups affected by this but they're not unique in their treatment.
The FA discord is currently turning into the mods circling the wagons and stating that people can appeal. The issue with this is that appeals go to the same moderation team. It's not a separate or independant adjudicator, it's just going "Pretty please?".
So these communities are seeing what has been a home for their content, one many in those communities tried to financially save after the passing of Dragoneer, suddenly turn around and start kicking them out. It's, at minimum, a very bad look.
I am curious to see what their formal response will be
@@JimmyWuffster i think it's also important to note they have been banning former mods who called them out
Like just a few days back a former mods made a Twitter post about how the banning didn't match the content policy and got banned, so it definitely seems FA needs a mod purge and to put people into place who actually have experience running these kinds of spaces
This same thing happened a while ago when they updated how they enforce their underage art policy. They were suddenly banning any art of characters, even if they were OCs, for being too short or cute. The appeal system got overloaded pretty quickly and the whole thing was a mess, with different mods interpreting the rules differently and it being completely unclear whether you were breaking the rules or not. It doesn't give me confidence that this will bad handled any better.
For those who may be disgusted or disturbed by certain fetish content, it sounds like Furaffinity is finally doing a good job when it comes to filtering questionable or disgusting content for the majority of the fandom.
For those who think that content is okay or have certain fetishes, Furaffinity seems to be engaging in censorship.
I think websites like FurAffinity and DeviantArt should have filters that you could choose to apply for fetish content. Or maybe even make it customizable and open, like Bluesky.
Wait.. playing with kids toys are a "babyfurs" thing? Um, that would include MOST of us then.
Yes, I love my plushies and squishmallows.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure its more than just people who play with toys.
Censorship tends to be a slippery slope, especially if nobody is being harmed. I'm aroace myself, and I have severe hemophobia, so there's a lot of mature content I wouldn't want to see. It's not that hard to avoid it, and I don't know who they think they're protecting with moves like this.
they just wanna get rid of the pedofiles
it is really hard to avoid nsfw on furaffinity. i have blocked mature content in my settings and i still regularly see genitals on there. the users don’t tag nsfw when it should be tagged
I hope that Furaffinity wont become just another cooperation that basically only seem to care about coin. I don’t know what is happening tho and I will watch the video when I have time(probably tomorrow)
I think this is a important conversation starter
@@AshCoyote the video, the events, or my comment?, if I may ask
That's what I've been fearful of. Them selling the site off to a corp that doesn't care about the community. I think FA should 100% stay within the fandom, without influence from advertisers.
Might need make a replacement website for the website if they start banning everything on the website for no reason
The elephant in the room is that, regardless of whether it's unethical to ignore an escalation system and jump right from suspensions to bans... nobody should even be considered to have violated the policy for posting something *that wasn't against the rules at the time it was posted*, simply by virtue of the rules changing out from under them. Rules change. I get that. It happens. Your values drift or you need to patch an exploit. Fine. But suspending or banning a user is the correct action when an action was taken that was actually against the rules at the time the action was taken. If you can be banned for art you posted in the past, just by having the rules change out from under it, then NO art is safe to post on FA. Ever. At any time, they can change the rules and retroactively enforce them on anything you posted at any time in the past. And that's not right.
I personally think it's bad to censor a group of people on a "safe space" when they're not harming anyone.
Censorship and excessive moderation of unnecessary things is a sign of authoritarianism.
Especially because the posts are not against the rules.
This is upsetting.
@@sveps8883 for me the most messed up part is strait up ignoring their own strike system
Like if something broke the rules why not explain and work with the people to fix stuff
This seems less about rules and almost entirely about enforcing their own weird code of morals
It does feel that way given how certain steps were just seemingly skipped
The only thing they can't censor at this point is our thoughts
*starts thinking really hard*
I said it in the live chat but i want to restate it so it sticks around
Sanitization is never a good thing, it doesnt matter if you argee or disagree with the content that was removed, these were artist who worked hard for their audience and didnt break rules, and yet where axed without a warning
If we as a community dont stand up against this abuse of power it will continue, and then where will the line be drawn, horror/gore art, hyper, hell we could even see world where LGBTQIA+ content is flagged as too mature
We need to keep the puritan, alt right, lewd content is bad stuff away from our spaces, because if we dont we will no longer have them
They start with stuff like incest/underage fictional content which a lot of people hate already, then they take more and more until there is nothing left.
@@WoodlandGloom yuhp, it's the old divide and conquer, they start with the stuff folks find weird, and then take and take, and by the time it's done no one is left to fight for the more neutral stuff
Remember people that Babyfur, Vorefur, Inflationfur, ect is more likely to fight for you because they've been harassed before
We only survive as a community when we work together, and quit trying to shove people off into corners and act like we are the "normal" ones
How does FA not have a blacklist system after all these years, but it's competitors does?
I browse fur affinity sometimes, and i feel sad because they are doing such a ooor job in moderation.
I'm probably not gonna switch to e621 because I'm not interested in porn (im asexual) and most of the posts here are porn.
@@sveps8883 I mean theres e921 the sfw version of e621 and even then, you can just blacklist rating:explicit to avoid nsfw posts
Dragonneer was too busy spending his money on furcons and drugs to make it
FA was built from scratch using 100% custom code in the early 2000s, because the web technology of the time was fairly limited. Techniques to make the code easier to work with had also not made their way to web technology yet at the time. So pretty much the only people who could do updates would be the ones who were involved in the code from the start and worked full time on it without any other obligations/jobs... Which is nobody.
@PixlRainbow not an excuse to update and maintain a website. Kiwi farms is ran on code older and that evil chud who owns it updates it weekly to deal with attacks and updates fetures
There is a lot going on and Babyfurs are scared. FA REALLY needs to release some sort of statement. I want us all to get along in the community. I think once we get a statement things will become a lot more clear and less gray!
I have been so sick lately of the ABDL/babyfur hate train that’s been so trendy as of late. It’s just so annoying and preachy, and there’s absolutely nothing more insufferable than being preached at by people who clearly have no earthly idea what they are talking about. Now, I could be wrong, as I personally am not into abdl stuff (but had done a lot of digging into it a bit ago when I was younger bc I was confused lol) but I think abdl is really more easily understood if you look at it through a BDSM lens. ABDL doesn’t always have that punishment/sadomasochism part to it, but the caregiver/little dynamic is pretty much like an extension of a dom/sub dynamic. All of the ABDL content I have seen has not even involved sex at all, nor has it involved anyone resembling a child mentally or physically (just my experiences, ofc, feel free to share if you have different ones). It’s ALWAYS been consenting adults, with power dynamics and sometimes punishments being the focus, and with no more than themes of infantilization, of course (like diapers, clothes, bottles, etc. From what I’ve seen it’s really like an aesthetic thing lol). When you actually know what ABDL is, the pdf file comparison just seems like such a stretch. Anyways, that’s enough about me having unrestricted internet access when I was under 18 💀💀💀💀 (don’t be like me lmfao. On a serious note, there are definitely bad people “hiding” in the ABDL community, and I would not recommend minors to go looking there.)
@chickennuggetpaw please explain to me how caregiver/little dynamic is like dom and sub because ts dont even SOUND right 💀🙏🏾 if its so much like that then just do dom and sub why does ts have to be about babies????... also id argue that MOST of the abdl community does sexual shit in those diapers and bottles and act like kids and genuinely get off to it
Got a friend in the ABDL group, and can I just say he is one of if not the most mature, aware, and considerate person I know. We're both perfectly well aware how weird it is, but hes an adult keeping it between consenting adults, and he just enjoys being able to let go of adult life for a bit. Hate whats been happening to others, hate the hand Sciggles has been delt in this, really hope they can recover soon and take a look at things
this isn't the first time this has happened. there is one specific mod that hates the stuff and every time there's any sort of drama and/or power shift they go on a crusade. the exact same wave of bannings happened when the brony trend peeked
While this is a great video for what's going on RIGHT NOW, it fails to mention that this is another step in the escalation against BF content in the past 18 months:
1. When AUP 2.7 was updated, there was a common front from the BF community, asking for clarification and/or change to the extremely vague language and overly-broad verbiage of the rule, that could literally mean anything. We weren't against it - we just believed (and rightfully so) - that it was overreaching, unreasonable and very easily abused.
2. About 2-3 months ago, a few "less known" BF artists were suspended (some eventually banned, like Fang) for things that were apparently okay from the rule side, but the mods quoted 2.7 as the reason why the bans/suspensions happened. When asked for clarification, nothing of value was provided, so the BF community was left confused and hypothesising about what to do. Some artists tried to sanitize their content, removing what they thought was the problematic content.
Only after all this, did it come to a head in the last few days.
While it feels targetted against the BF community, it's because to us, this is the third iteration - and the one that is, by far, the biggest hit on us through who was suspended/banned - of this. And the first two times, we were ignored by staff and the furry community at large.
Yes, this is indicative of a broader issue with FA; one that has been raised countless times in well over the last decade.
And sure, Sciggles being in the hospital is an issue, and I do feel for them regarding their state. But considering that, according to WikiFur (since FA's staff page shows nothing anymore), they have a second OPSADMIN of the same level as Sciggles, there's no way that this could not be at least partially handled by this other OPSADMIN... unless that OPSADMIN is the issue. At which point, Sciggles could ask the team to make a statement or something; it can be done from the hospital if she can reply to Twitter posts.
But we've not received anything of that sort.
In spite of Luffy, on the Discord, saying that they are working on a statement since Friday, just that they want to make sure it's not misconstrued/misunderstood.
Most of us are more than willing to give FA and its staff the benefit of the doubt, but to a certain extent. And that good faith from us is rapidly dwindling, as time passes and more and more issues are cropping up regarding this ongoing event - now, people that express support openly for us are getting banned with a "you're not a good fit for
I really appreciate your insights here. I didn't know that the issue was a escalation from the past year.
I was turned on to the community by someone I later found out was an ABDL. He was and still is one of the most awesome people I know so I just didn't care about him being an ABDL. I've also met a few other furs that were into the same, even more so than him, and they were amazing people too. I just can't form a negative opinion of someone just because they're into one harmless activity that I'm not into. Just like all furry art, some ABDL works are explicit and some are not. It doesn't make sense to me to paint it all with the same brush.
we went from "there are no rules changes! babyfurs welcomed!" to "we're changing the rules, gtfo"
I've heard all about this. And I do have a few friends that are babyfurs, and for them to get banned even AFTER their galleries got cleaned, they got banned just for their existence. Yeah. That's how far they'll go. And it looks like FA is gonna be hit big time, and that, people who got support from the babyfur community, will be affected too there.
One of the Artists suspended and can't upload on their of her pages is Anastasia Bryce, aka Babystar/Toddlergurl two time recipient of the Ursa Major awards on her comics Found and Shine. She has tried to contest the suspension with an Appeal but has not received any word back yet from moderators.
I'm no baby fur, but As long as there are no nsfw parts to it, why ban it? Also, from my small amount of knowledge, A good chunk of baby furs are the way they are because something traumatic happened in their childhood.
@qnxtqax oh, thank you for the clarification. my apologies for the misinformation.
@qnxtqax the B means Baby, the A argument is so terrible dude
Honestly, I don't feel that the FA staff will actually follow through. The babyfur community had previously asked for more clear and direct rules so they wouldn't be hit by a mod making a bad call and/or a bigoted mod attacking their community. FA staff didn't clarify further. People in the babyfur community said this EXACT scenario would happen.
I think that the mod staff at FA needs to take a look at themselves and do a quick test.
Do you have a bias against any subcommunity in the furry fandom? If yes, you should NOT be a mod. Full stop. Moderators are supposed to be fair and impartial.
It's a real "first they came for the unconventional fetishists" situation. Either fight for everyone, or eventually you're up next.
This is a child predator dogwhistle and a fear mongering fallacy you unironically promote. If thats not instantly a red flag to you idk what is
I’m someone who accepts ABDL and babyfur content even to a point where I may accept to be one if I were to hang out with some of these people irl but these bans happening to these babyfurs?!? No I don’t think FurAffinity should ban any of them unless they violate the guidelines etc, I’m certainly concerned in the direction of FurAffinity and how it’s been abused right after Dragoneer’s passing and especially after a hacking incident that happened, hopefully FurAffinity won’t become as strict as Tumblr or other sites.
It's wild how inconsistent mods are with enforcing this rule change. I've seen artists banned for regular ABDL art, not even babyfur. Even art of someone's Animal Crossing avatar got them banned.
This is a clear push to 'sanitize' the furry fandom & it's definitely targeted. Babyfurs & diaperfurs aren't going anywhere tho. They run every con lol
First of all, thanks for covering this topic Ash, I hope it brings more awareness to what's happening in the furry community and FA in particular. Yeah, on social media I see people posting they are suddenly getting banned for art that they posted years ago and moderators justify a permanent ban rather than a warning because the artist has multiple "problematic" artworks. It's such a weird situation. I just personally think there is a big void in leadership after Dragoneer's passing and moderators are just abusing their power. I don't think they are necessarily selling the website because there are a heck of a lot more kinks than just babyfurs. You made a great point on transparency, I honestly don't even know anyone controlling the website now or its moderators. I feel like there are no checks and balances between them and anyone can just ban whoever they want. Overall, it's really terrible for the artists who suddenly lose out on their page without warning and all the followers who are there to support and commission them. Thanks again for covering this Ash 👍
Soinds like these bans are a result of confusion over leadership. Since the main moderator is in the hospital, I feel that things over at FA are in disarray over who's who and what's what.
I just felt sad that babyfur are being treated unfairly. The artists are amazing and talented. They tagged properly and others that don’t want to see tag can just blacklist em.
I still keep hoping nothing will be happening. FA is where I made my home sixteen years ago and it continues to do so. This year has been a rocky one for the site and will continue to be rocky thanks to doomsayers and individuals spreading misinformation with malicious intent to harm the site. All of this is due to some disagreement or past conflict they've had with Dragoneer or FA staff.
Frankly, there's a number of mods who need to be put in their place, whether let go or otherwise taking accountability for their actions. This applies not only to this particular situation, but the subject of FA implementing a tag/blacklist feature as well.
Back when 'neer was still around, during the first controversy back in 2018, he actually suggested as such to the mod team! Had a very similar stance of babyfur stuff, of not liking it personally but knowing it was important to the community to allow it within reason. When he brought up the suggestion of revisiting the project, I got the impression that there were certain members of the mod team who were downright against the idea. I can understand it being a daunting task from a sysadmin standpoint, but it would ultimately resolve a number of the community issues this site faces. It's been proven on literally EVERY other art gallery site that's been stood up since FA.
Assuming that's the case with these folks, I'd be inclined to say there's been internal conflict and turmoil going on for years. Perhaps it's best to find new members for the mod team. Folks who'd have a fresh perspective to bring about better change.
I'm only a junior sysadmin, skillset wise, but I'd gladly volunteer to help if I feasibly could.
This terminally online puritanism about kink and fiction is just another manifestation of fascism.
@@piku5637 how?
@@Wicked_Fox puritanism is the idea that people should all be controlled within a set cultural behavior, even when its harmless.
STOP WATERING DOWN THE THREAT OF FACISM.
Just stop overusing the word facism to describe regulations or stuff you don't like.
@@SashaTheDog Fascism is just like the word nazi. People just use it on things they disagree with instead of using it properly
TRUE! This reminds me of that post that describes how the way car doors close is fascist(google "car door slamming fascist" it was something Adorno wrote). You're absolutely right that its a reactionary and authoritarian position people just struggle to see how ingrained fascist manifestations show up in our everyday thinking and life.
Personally, I get not wanting to make your site a harbor for nsfw images that involve minors, and I can see why some people would get that idea and worry about baby fur communities having that, and I get that feeling of discomfort looking at stuff like that.
But I’m also aware that a majority of babyfur is just a part of the furry fandom that just want to have that childhood they never got to have and everything they’re showing at its core is still very innocent and wholesome and NOT intended to be f3tishy or NSFW at all. They don’t deserve to be punished over people who are running a site that thinks that doing otherwise will make the Furry Fandom look bad. The outside world is going to hate us no matter what we do, so why should we care if something isn’t “normal” in the eyes of an unjust society?
@@mr.x2567 i think it's also important for those of us not within that space to recognize how important some of them are to our community
Every major furry con has at least one on staff that I'm aware of, a ton of the streamers in that community apparently donated to helping keep FA online
I think the reality here is that a blacklist feature should be put in place and we should leave it up to people to decide what they want to see
Fa is a platform for artist to make money and build communities, it should not have an all omnipotent guiding handing forcing its morality down everyones throats
The furry community, and the queer community generally, always has to contend with younger people coming into our spaces and this can cause problems. With COVID and worsening educational standards young people are being somewhat radicalized towards supporting purity culture even if they say they are on the left and even if they are queer, there is a sort of LGBT but without queer politics sentiment going around that is causing a lot of harm to minorities and particularly trans people since we are the easiest target. This is very visible in regards to "proship" and "anti" discourse where I have had multiple people come to me and tell me that as children they had adults use them as bait for predators, we are seeing the rise of a very sex negative, very moralistic, very christian set of sentiments that is inarguably getting more people hurt on all sides but you cannot speak out against it or else you too will be likened to supporting predators and abuse.
We are just seeing the logical result of people being unwilling to look at their own feelings to break down why they feel a certain way with critical thinking, we live in a post-truth world now where whoever says something loudest is the most truthful. I've done a lot of legitimate work both academically and socially in various communities, including in trying to get things like paraphilic interests (which most of us have) brought forward and kinda destigmatized and shown to be what they are, just different sexual interests that (even for the big name ones) are not inherently harmful. The problem with this is even if you can cite studies, even if you have the DSM-V on your side, even if research agrees with you, people can still just say very loudly that you are promoting harm against X group. This uncritical and frankly anti-truth behavior has been growing in popularity. Kids, having had their social lives ruined by COVID, society further being sanitized towards a normalized mean that is profitable, lack of teaching critical thinking in school or parents to their children, all culminates in what we are seeing now. Things like BDSM, transness, sexuality, all of it being reduced to a gross 'other' that endangers vulnerably people.
Because of all of that it is very easy and very profitable in regards to the attention economy to say "All babyfurs are 'pdf-files' and all 'pdf-files' are abusers", despite none of that being true in any way it feeds into the fear of an other, it feeds into our desire to have a social enemy, and it feeds into the socially prescribed need to normalize communities towards broader social norms. People hate "pdf-files" so its become very popular to call those who you dislike that term and its made easier when the group you deslike engages in age regression, "transage" behavior, or just simply likes the aesthetic of childhood due to the comfort it can bring. This then gets picked up but people who desire heavier monetization and promoted by those people as a way to make things seem safer (usually they're just as if not more harmful). When a community gets more popular, it must necessarily kick out all the "weirdos" and "kinksters" because not only are they not profitable but they may "endanger those who need safety" and it makes said community unpalatable to normative culture. For me, all of this is just assimilationist desires becoming more mainstream despite the fact that assimilating never works because we as queers and as furries are already default in a place beyond the norm, there is no amount of purity culture or santiziation that will make our spaces acceptable to the majority as unfortunate as that may be.
For FA specifically this could be about making more money, but I do think this is part of a broader movement towards removing uncomfortable aspects of our communities in the vain hope that we wont be the targets forever, when really thats not how social change works and we will only be targeted more because of it. FAs actions do not exist in a vacuum and everywhere things like feral, like babyfur, like ABDL, like bloodplay are all becoming targets for exclusionist and assimilationist rhetoric. As a very sex positive person who has both academic and personal experience in regards to sexology and abnormal psych, we are certainly seeing more and more harmful treatment towards completely innocent people and that includes some groups most are not yet ready to learn about or be educated on. As a sex radical myself, its very scary and it wont just be people like me who get the axe, eventually it will be all furries because well... an anthro animal is still an animal, be loud enough and you can portray all of us as animal abusers. I do hope there is more pushback on this from every possible direction, all that must matter in kink is consent, harm, and safety. No thought can hurt anyone, no fetish or attraction is inherently bad, fantasy is not reality, and it is not harmful to engage with your feelings in a safe, consensual, and sane way with other adults. We're letting ourselves get dominated by advertisers, capitalists, and puritans.
Thats just my opinion as like an anarchist academic who is very extreme about sex positivity and not judging people. Seems to work because I have very happily gotten a lot of people the support they need and also have calmed people down about their own interests that made them self harm. I see no benefit to the social sadism growing in our communities nor the whitewashing of our spaces for profit. Having a blacklist also wont matter, it would be a good feature but E621 gets into a lot of drama for the content is has on there. The problem is deeper, people want this content and the people who enjoy it completely gone. Sometimes physically, I've seen a lot of friends get threats over babyfur. This problem is bigger than FA and way bigger than just a blacklist.
"not letting me fetishize infants is christian right wing extremism" said the walking timebomb who needs his devices seized and searched by the feds ASAP
Ethics of the imagery itself aside, it sounds like there may be some kind of concerted effort that should probably be nipped before any of it can go further than necessary.
Christofascists and companies not only go hand in hand, they're merrily skipping together.
For real, this is kink shaming. ABDL community is constantly shamed and banned from anywhere and i'm tiring of this...
some things deserve shame 🤷
Unapologetically AR here. So long as I have access to a good working blocklist for content that *may* take me out of the headspace I need I'm not bothered what the rest of you do so longs as it's all legal. We've all got our interests and what nots.
What I do find interesting is that twice I have posted as have several others non abuse Shout Outs on the Ursa award winners account only to find them and everything on the shout outs scrubbed to 2020.
As a personal friend who has spent days together under one roof with them I am at a loss how you could possibly regard them and their art as anything but acceptable.
Something leads me to the idea a Mod is scrubbing that account on a regular basis.
I see nothing wrong with having content such as it up on the site, as long as its sfw then its good. companies and organizations always seem to fail with lack of transparency and integrity, we can't let FA fall into that.
I agree that they're likely "purging" the site to appeal to investors much like Tumblr did as you've said. But I also feel like they're doing it because after Dragoneer's passing & the hacking situation, the fandom is in a pretty big tizzy. The fandom is severely ron in 3 places. THe people dancing on Dragoneer's grave, the people begging those people to stop because a hero/idol/friend passed and this is the last upset they need added on top of everything, and then there's the side Im on the people in the middle who absolutely hate dragoneer due to his past/controversies but we can only offer love and support and hope the fandom can recover after this massive hit the fandom took.
And because of this hit people are getting harassed and hurt way more than normal, the fandom is wounded and the wrong people are taking advantage of that. One such harassment campaign is the war on baby furs, I have seen way too many furs and non-furs alike bash this kinkmunity and call them all sorts of horrible words/slurs. And the biggest wartrain path these people are taking is that these people walk around cons with "eternally dirty" diapers and that they're all "pdf files". Which gee I wonder where I've heard THAT ONE before! The LGBTQ mafia is in the same spot but due to politics.
Everyone is going after their own kind because they're wounded and scared, and I hear these arguments and other nonsense on the daily! I support babyfurs myself and I understand the other side's arguments but to do something like this seems a bit extreme though my hard guess above is mostly an understandable reason. But there ARE good noodles and bad eggs in every fandom, community, etc. so this "excuse/reason" is too extreme and generalized to fall on and use as a weapon. But unfortunately there's nothing we can do but politely use our voices and wait. I just hope that once all this is over and the fandom recovers from everything we can use this as a lesson to the future of right and wrong extremes.
And sorry for rambling I tend to yap alot when things get "political" like this. But I wanted to air everything out in the clearest and most mature way I could. My condolences go to everyone affected by this, even those affected by Dragoneer's passing I hope you all will be ok once the adrenaline from all this wears off. Stay safe and dont forget to hydrate and have a little snack to calm down after this
Turns out it was just a rouge admin.
Interesting video ash coyote.Keep up the great work.stay safe
Thanks, you too!
@@AshCoyote You're welcome.Thanks!
I'm concerned that the moderation change / issue could be either another sneaky cyberattack or the same one and FA thought they got control back, but they really didn't .
AB/DL content is not precisely my thing, but so are other sub groups of the furry cummunity and I do not think personal disapproval is a valid reason to exclude those groups completely, at least not online, like on furaffinity, where I can actively filter the content I want. Any such exclusions and restrictions that may or may not happen regardless, should at least be transparently communicated and handled in alignment with community guidelines, which seems furaffinity has failed to do in this case.
I do get the impression that the recent bans are mostly, if not entirely, the result of internal disagreements and hasty decisions by some moderators, rather than long term plans.
Ultimately we will have to wait for an official statement.
That is all I can say without blasting this comment to the length of an academic paper.
Big, stronk and fluffy dergy huggies for all of you..
I’m sorry to say but I won’t be able to make it to the live because of morning Church service however I know this video will be a “dive in” on the issues associated with FurAffinity and how it’s banning others left and right, I’ll come back here in the afternoon and share what I think of this problem 👍👍💖💖
Let me know your thoughts when you watch it ^_^
Mmm :/
I don't really know much about baby furs and other stuff, so I tend to just keep to myself.
Thats fine, I think its more a conversation about community spaces
When I first joined the fandom, I actually thought that was a term for a newbie. That would have been a massive mistake.
just add a tags feature and let people block posts with certain tags
My recent ex was a baby fur.
Never again, she made it literally her whole life(in and out of suit).
Not for me, tried to make it work for months, but this was the straw, ash, my first t4t, and it was a bad experience bc of this stuff
But I still think the bans are screwed up.
Sorry for your bad experience.
Lack of communication about what partners desire is the bad thing in this.
But at the end of the day im asexual a d aromantic so... I don't know much about relationships
There is absolutely zero excuse for banning SFW ABDL content and disrupting communities, and dare I say NSFW art as well. Furry is supposed to be a safe space for artists, but Furaffinity's Discord shows very clearly babyfurs continuing to be banned. Without active support of the babyfur/age regression community on staff, the livelihood of an entire community depends on moderators who historically had no qualms in destroying their own community. Nothing excuses the lack of transparency or FA's actions, here. All of FA's remaining leadership is able to view who banned what, or implement protections to prevent further bans. This has NOT happened. FA's finances should allow them to survive for decades. A good stock portfolio can net 35-40% annual returns nowadays. If they can pay their debts over some amount of time, the suggested $300,000 debt figure could be completely covered within a few years.
They should ban the pdf file art, it makes the community look bad.
I believe it's a rogue mod that's violation their commands or to abuse their power. It's something that should be investigated and brought to either the co owner or whoever owns the site now that Dragoneer has passed.
I'm wondering what is their motivation for this? And why banning instead of other strategies? To me this sounds like somebody got their hand squeezed, or the owners are preparing to sell this platform and they want it squeaky clean. Unless they are interested in becoming transparent and provide proper justification, these 2 seem the most plausible.
Banning the ABDL creators right AFTER the GFM was sc(a/u)mmy as heck, I'd be very much in favour of those users getting (or taking) their money back.
I have a suspicion there's valuable information were not being given by the mods, or FA was secretly hit by a mass reporting raid.
I can't figure out whats happening since Scoggles's twitter doesn't show any updates on the matter, the discord isn't providing any useful information, and because I can't check if any accounts were reinstated I don't know what's happening.
I have messaged the mods to gather some information on the matter. Will report back once I get a response.
So it seems like FA is trying to at least talk to some of the individuals they banned, but is still engaging in vague and inconsistent messaging, which could be argued as goal post moving.
Please see the Journal posted by Gemma whom you mentioned in your video upon their return: (I would link directly to the journal but I would not want to violate her privacy by publicly posting it, although it is publicly available)
Also of highly suspect motivation is upon her release from hospital one of the things related to FA that Sciggles has tweeted about and has been reposted by the FA twitter, was her post focusing on pushing out shop orders, this can hardly be considered in good faith to a community that is waiting with bated breath for her return to address issues that have occurred in her absence. If you'd like a copy of this post I have screenshotted it, in case it becomes suddenly deleted to maintain image.
I'm disappointed that Furaffinity backed down from this, that art is creepy.
as part of the babyfur community this pissed me off!>:(
Get thee to Inkbunny. The owner is one of yours, you'll be welcome there. At least until law enforcement decides to go after it.
Fantastic video, perfect explanation of the current situation.
Thank you
I continue to worry that FA will simply disappear like the GeoCities purge. There is countless creative work on FA that will be gone forever if something like that happens. If members lose faith in operations it could easily become a ghost town.
There are many kinks that upset me, but that’s just my own opinion. Anyone who calls for censorship on opinion based morality needs to just shut up entirely.
Do us all a favor, and call out the individuals who are causing harm, not a WHOLE FREAKING COMMUNITY.
I think they need to make something where they check the post before they post it
Are they just getting extremely scared of legal action against them for stuff?? I mean first the whole chibi thing and not wanting anything that looks like it's young characters and now this idea passing around. It's like they want to avoid cub content so badly that they're just doing the easy and extreme thing of trying to purge any and all stuff that would have any closeness to the bad side of underage looking adult art.
Because, why on earth would this be a bad thing??? I'm so genuinely confused
Beacuse sexualizing babies is bad
If I had to guess I'd say it's because Furries have been getting allot of attention in media. With more eyeballs cast on the community, there is more criticism. With a sight like furraffinity allot of it's content is sexual based, so seeing that next to baby furs might raise questions for the average person or advertiser.
That's why we need to maintain our community regardless of the stances of large corporations
BLACKLIST THEN!!!
I understand if babyfur stuff seems... Weirder than usual, but they have no good reason of banning it... Like, there's nothing wrong or sexual with it. Does anyone know if it's recieved a lot of criticism for anything?
Glad it turned out to mostly be power tripping mods.
Thank you for standing up for babyfurs. We don't get that much love
This is y I am not on that website it's hypocritical of them
As an old timey furry, I am happy to see them and also ferals be rejected by modern furry. Now I have kids and I wouldn't want one of them stumbling across the problematic sides of Furry. That said, it is pretty ironic that FA of all places would make that move.
for real!!!
Fiction is fiction regardless of the content.
One-Thousand-Percent Agree. But the Puritans won't agree, lol.
@@mana_beast_beats1114"puritans" i just know you're chronically online lol😭😭
@@mooonblooom --- If you think cartoon characters are real, then it is you who is chronically online. Lay off the "X" okay?
add a blacklist system and let us change are usernamesss
Crazy things man. I’ve never been huge on the Babyfur community but this is injustice that I strongly believe is not the proper move
I mean tbh babyfurs kinda had the ban coming
@@FANOFPORTAL2 explain
@@BlueManIan what is there to explain?
deserved tbh less pdf files in that website at least
no they didn't trog.
The obvious reason is that FA bans "cub" material, as they should, and ABDL content is often indistinguishable, at least without knowing more details about the characters, from cub content. They were already cracking down on sexual content of characters perceived to be underage, including rookie Digimon and early evolution Pokémon. So this crackdown is in no way surprising but a continuation of recent more strict policies on anything that can be perceived as underage content. Most furry platforms ban inappropriate "cub" content with Ink Bunny being the major outlier I am aware of.
The main issue I see with ABDL is that it’s very much seen by many people out of the loop(people who aren’t as familiar with the furry fandom)as being a thinly veiled borderline p3do fetish.
The furry community has been becoming more and more mainstream over the years, and not everyone is as enthusiastic about baby furs as others.
Many furries want the community to be as inclusive as possible, and if that means trying to hide the more generally problematic aspects behind the closed doors of room parties(instead of exposing this “kink” in full view in the lobby) then that’s the price of going mainstream.
You should still be able to find ABDL if you know where to look, but it shouldn’t be the first thing you see if you’re brand new to the community, as that will push a LOT more people away than it would otherwise bring in.
ABDL should be under a universal default blacklist that can be disabled by any user(likely working the same way the E6 blacklist works)
Of course, this is playing devil’s advocate for the anti-ABDL crowd.
My personal belief is that you should do what you want how you want, so long as it doesn’t affect any non-consenting parties. Whatever consenting adults do behind closed doors is none of my concern.
Here’s my other suggestion:
If you go onto FA, you should expect just “standard” furry art. If you want to Search for more refined/niche content, then you should be able to. I believe the issue stems from how the homepage works, showing ALL recent/trending content. If FA were to simply restrict certain content from ONLY being shown on the homepage, BUT being able to be easily searched for(like a “secret menu” of sorts) then I believe all sides can generally agree on this solution: the pro-ABDL side can have their content through easily searching for it, and the anti-ABDL side can’t see it without specifically asking for it(which defeats any argument against it)
they are being adult babies content? why is everything that is happening recently going to hell? even more so since abdl is a fetish that is definitely much less sexual than others
Even if i think baby furs is something i despise from the furry community i think the non fetishized side should be allowed to post i think it shouldn’t be on the front page tho same as all type of fetishized contents like inflation etc…
and they need to add Blacklisted tags or ban some topics all together i’m sure some one won’t die if they don’t watch suspicious contents mostly if it imply people that young.
I hadn't heard about Sciggles being in the hospital. I hope they'll be okay. Thank you for summarizing the situation. (I don't log onto FA that often.) Judging by things I've heard, this isn't the first time they've broken their own rules and they don't always do a good job of fixing the situation when they do. If this proves anything, it's that you should always have more than one place where you post things you want to display and always keep back-up copies offline.
Honestly things would be more clear cut if we knew WHO was doing the bannings. Cause there are multiple people on the moderation team and for all we know this could all be down to one person going on a power trip taking things down that they personally don't like. Granted that is speculation but until we know which moderator(s) are behind the bans details are gonna be scarce.
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As a babyfur myself, I really think they shouldn't ban ANY art unless it's bigotted or real-world harmful in some way. They really should add a blacklisting feature instead of purging the weirder stuff. What happened to keeping furry weird? 9_9
Thats terrible to know that babyfurs are getting banned off FA. I see nothing wrong with that community. Most art I've seen involving Babyfurs were harmless.
well except for the issue their community too often likes to make excuses for sexualising minors.
i think they do more harm to our community then good, but course i can change my view when is genuine effort to purge the bad actors
I'm not a furry and I think babyfurs are actively weird. I think I understand what they are and don't really like it. But the thing is I can tolerate things I find actively weird. If every single platform, on every single site, has the exact same policy. It begins to feel like the whole internet is working off of one mandate and that is chilling to me. It is really starting to with payment processors basically being the self-appointed judge and jury of morality.
Also if it is just "It is their platform, a private company, and they can do whatever they want." then why is the change on every website *always* towards restriction rather than opening up restrictions? Surely *someone* at one of these websites, fully free of external factors and fully free to act as they please, at SOME POINT would have a change of heart in the other direction if it is fully their fancy yes? I do hope it is just a moderation flub, because i don't want yet another legacy website to die a slow agonizing death...
This should not be a question. There is an extremely clear reason why. And that reason is extremely valid. I do not see why so many people think This is so controversial oml.
@@TheSolacedSouls for fucking real. i'm really sad honestly, ashcoyote used to be one of my fave furry youtubers but recently.. yikes
i know that nobody cares, but here’s an analogy about this type of content because so many are divided on it.
let’s pretend that baby fur content is alcohol in this instance.
some people utilize alcohol to ease anxiety, celebrate identity (ex marriage/turning 21) or for fun.
does 1 drink hurt anyone? no, not necessarily.
but for some, it does. in moderation, alcohol is fine. but there ARE people who abuse it, and use it to harm others.
unfortunately, there are people who drive drunk and will harm innocent people who didn’t consent to their choices; there are active gr00mers in the community that need to be outed/NOT ALL BABYFURS ARE GROOMERS.
ultimately, i am not a baby fur, and when i worked in the mental health field with seggs offenders, many did use this content to “soothe” their needs until it couldn’t anymore. will every baby fur harm non consenting parties? no, but the statistic is NOT zero. unfortunately, this is and will stay taboo due to laws (as in the US, drawn genitalia of children (anything under the age of 18) is considered child pr0n. because i am chronically ill and sfw , i would be upset if someone was wearing a used diaper while interacting with me, and i am very against people drawing infant and childlike characters in sexual situations or their genitals. we need to pay attention to illegal activities and art pieces instead of banning the whole.
We can use this analogy for any kink, esxual or not, or even vanilla sex.
There are bad Apples everywhere.
There are addicts everywhere.
But most importantly, there are people who just enjoy it and are harming no one.
@@sveps8883 i said that in my point. if you’re trying to start a fight, you’ve come to the wrong comment.
As a Babyfur/ABDL, this hurts me in many ways. I understand diaper stuff is not everyone's thing, but I literally heard Dragoneer day himself while attending a con a long time ago. "If I could without any consequence ban all babyfurs off Furaffinity, I would." Which means this was all planned from the get-go. Dragoneer hated Babyfurs. This all just makes me mad that it is 2024 and furrys still hate on other furrys for no real reason.
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@fireisnotreal That make you one then since all furrys are labeled as such and not just babyfurs. Your comment proves you know absolutely nothing about the furry community.
It's, unfortunately, one of those things that will plague us until the end of time; humans will hate other humans for any reason, and if they don't have one, they'll make up a reason.
The GoFundMe is still accepting donations today even though it has surpassed the current goal, so at this point it seems like they seen dollar signs and are milking it.
Yet.. They can't regulate all blatant fetishes tagged as sfw? lol what a joke
While I don't see anything wrong with artwork depicting safe-for-work age regression, I really don't like the "babyfur" community because based on my experience, it's rare to see a self-described babyfur NOT sexualize that regression, or worse, be into cub 💀 I do however, think a user-based blacklist would be the best idea, as that is something furaffinity desperately needs and is the reason I mostly avoid the site.
FA has been the target of dissatisfaction campaigns so many times. 🤷♀️
maybe they should stop making dumb decisions that make furries dissatisfied?
Furaffinity getting worse and worse... at least we got some alternatives...
what are some more sites for posting furry art, I know of a few more beyond FA like Inkbunny, Itaku, and Furtastic
Oh no, they banned creepy art
@mattwolf7698 its there double standarts which is stupid... banning some stuff is okay but others like gore isnt...
it got hijacked by moms for liberty
Hey, I know you are just trying to educate people a little on Abdl but please don’t use phrases like “…who find comfort in revisiting their childhood….” and “regression” with your explanation if you aren’t going to say anything about it being sexual. That would be age regression (agere for short) you are talking about.
Please provide a short and simple distinction between abdl and age regression. Like something along the lines of “Abdl are adults who role-play as children for sexual purposes” and “Age regression is when someone physiologically resort to a younger state, its recommended by many therapists as a coping mechanism for trauma, stress, etc. Typically, with no sexual aspect to it what so ever”
Just trying to keep the lines between abdl/ageplay/ddlg etc and agere from being even more blurred. Thats the whole reason why FA banned agere content as well. They are both often regarded as the same thing with a lot of people, so its best to just get rid of both and be done with it.
btw since abdl is kink, saying “…revisiting their childhood…” for it makes it sound like they were being graped when they were kids…. yuck.
All love! ❤ /gen
@Posyprince The distinction is sometimes blurred deliberately. The kinky ones don't only make sexual art, after all - and they can ride the line quite intentionally.
@@vylbird8014 A lot of abdl art seems to be non sexual because its art of children doing child things. The child being a child is intended to be kinky to someone. Its intended to be sexual. No one needs to see any d**ks outs to know to its for a sexual purpose. Yes it is the distinction is blurred purposely sometimes, people love ruining others rep for their own selfish personal gain
There can also be non-sexual ABDLs, they do exist and I know several friends like that.
ACTUALLY not all ABDLs do it for sexual stuff. I AM an abdl that just does it for comfort. Age regression is when you add in the fact that you act like a baby in every way shape or form, usually SFW.
@@IMakePeopleSaltyApparently Age regression also doesn't always mean being a baby, I regress to an eight year old usually.
Never herd of this sight til now.. makes me wonder if there not using AI to clean house. I have seen stuff like this going on with Pinterest.. hope things get better there. would like check out this
furry site you speak of one of these days. I believe in balance but banning to point where you make ever one a outcast is not a good look. That's my take on this since iam outsider to this news.
I permanently quit FUR AFFINITY last week. My only social networking online is just ADISC as a person with Autism who is a furry and Adult Baby.