Counter-Strike's Oldest Defuse Map - de_prodigy
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Counter-Strike is one of the oldest Esports games still played today, and defuse mode is the most popular gamemode. When the defuse gamemode was added to counter-strike in Beta 4.0, it brought with it the first three defuse maps - Nuke, still in the game today, Dust, one of the most popular maps of all time, and finally, Prodigy. A map not present in CSGO, and barely ever even talked about in the Counter-Strike community. Prodigy is weird. Let's check it out.
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i always liked the original prodigy. i find the concept of "hidden facility in a giant remote mountain" to be extremely interesting to this day, because i'd imagine the view to be majestic, just staring at a mountain range on a platform in the middle of nowhere with no sounds other than the flow of the wind (which also relates to me always playing this map alone or with my brother bc no one plays it seriously)
miss prodigy it was one of my favorites.
though i do prefer the css version, the css version is super gritty and nasty and i love that aesthetic.
Have you ever played Half-Life 1?
People used to play 5vs5 competitevly on this map. Also, there are still servers who sometimes play this map
@@dancapitandeechipa2812 yeah, I can remember playing amateur competition on this map in Beta days
I cannot remember too many bomb plants though, with the only opportunity being when the last CT ran away to hide to win by timer
Prodigy was a goner in current state of Counter Strike, but in other game, 'Prodigy' seems to be quiet popular map, look Point Blank bomb defuse map called 'Luxville'.
Holy shit I havent seen de_prodigy since 1.6 . It's like visiting an old family home. Crazy.
We played the hell out of Prodigy back in the early 2000's. Awesome map.
When he went towards the balcony the first time I was like fuuuuuuuuck totally forgot about this map
I only play de_prodigy on CS:S on the non steam version, and also cs_Havana and de_port.
@@BeauxGnar FRRR I had no idea it was this map until I played cs cz yesterday
De_prodigy was one of my favorite maps of all times. Good old 1.3 cs
I disagree about the physics props in source. It makes the game more fun even though less competitive.
Thats just personal taste but yeah physics are cool
Well, they don't even sync up across players properly.
I liked them too but I'm kinda glad they're gone.
you said... less competitive.. csgo is more competitive, they have a lot of casual or fun maps in the mappool, but they don't gonna add physics for one map and not another, - with source engine lol
physics props in multiplayer were buggy asf back then, super glad gone
Physics were just garbage and very gimmicky ,glad they are gone
I miss all the old school maps like de_prodigy, de_chateau etc. Maybe it's the nostalgia speaking but these maps were fun to play imo, I wish they'd bring them back. Just have 1 or 2 servers running with all the classic, old school maps on rotation.
same
Same man
De_chateau also have internet myth that it was haunted. If you wait in front of the huge painting you can sometime hear a ghost cat sound.
It might sound silly today, but I missed that kind of thing
Yea with nostalgia things being popular and CS2 being released, they should definitely have a grouping of old maps even if it's casual only. Prodigy, dust 1, train, nuke, even possibly militia and assault. Call it CS Classic or something.
guys nostalgia hit me as well..
I'm korean, and i remember playing prodigy map in cs 1.5 when i was in 10s. To me, It was funniest map of cs ones and I loved the dark feel of it. I am dying to playing it someday.
Prodigy was pretty awesome back than
yeah, i played all maps when I was playing missions with bots in condition zero, at least because of the campaign the maps were played by alot of people
why you need to explain that you're korean?
@@rizkydwis7185 Im Swedish, And i could'nt tell why he would need to explain that.
Damn u played cs when you were 10 seconds old?!??!
De_prodigy was and still my favorite map I have ever played in CS, it saddens me that I won't see it in csgo or future cs versions :(
Same. Also i think the map is not that hard to fix. (1) Ts would have to be first at house - so there are 3 ways to cover by the cts. Maybe just remove the whole wall. So as soon ts jump out the window they see door and the lower entrance. (2) Add a connector (f.e. from the house to ct hallway (add a new path at ct hallways/left of the bottom of the stairs of the control room)) is needed for the Ts only. So cts cant cover hallway 1 sided and also could get backstabed in control room. Done... rest is fine-tuning.
I have played it in numerous community servers over the years, still a pretty fun casual map. Theres multiple versions on the workshop too
Opening the door through the blue screen is most likely a remnant from Half-Life doors. In HL sometimes you open doors by interacting with that screen, sometimes you just press E on the doors
And sometimes you touch the door, which is not confusing at all! /s (On the rail is an awful chapter, I spent 30 minutes on that door)
Oh man the nostalgia , I remember I used to play this on condition zero with bots , this was the map I played the most on my dad's laptop with a crappy small mouse , the vents in this map are also so weird , there is no way that something like this would be implemented in cs now , but it was fun back then for me
When you break the vent and 3 bots fall out
i remember countless hours on CSS's prodigy and most of the action happened on the cliff side and vents because vents are dark and fun
Prodigy is my favourite map in css for it's graphics
They should definitely add a classic map pool for us old heads.
Like CPLmill, CPL fire, cobble, etc.
These are some really great maps
And would add interesting gameplay and dynamics back to the game
I miss Prodigy, Assault, Militia, Oil rig. So many old maps from the best days of CS. Many fond memories of CS, bunny hopping around with a buddy using mac10s, just spraying and praying, goofing around.
Really loved the random mention of Chillin beating Ken for 2004! Hahaha.
@@BadRat. I was LEGIT thinking about the Asumsaus inspirations so glad you said it! Love when different competitive games interact it's sweet.
I played so much of prodigy in 1.6 I remembered the bots behaviour every round and knew where they are going.. I spent around 1000hours of playing cs with bots
man i always hated how the bots never "understood" the map hahaha
when i was a kid I've always played rats with bots and hated when they stayed in that ladders trying to climb them
@@pannomic1818 I remember bots trying to climb ladders from the wrong side. And on prodigy since the doors open on pressing E on the wall bots could never open them
In the original map, there's a spot by the hut where you can climb up a rock and exploit a glitch where you can see through the walls, and also swim in the sky to some bullshit camping spots. I used to exploit the shit out of that on public servers back in the day. There was also a spot on the cliff you could jump off and safely land on. You could grab the bomb and just wait out the clock on that ledge to be an asshole, or potentially to save a weapon.
I do wish CSGO would add maps like prodigy back into the game. Keep the comp pool clean of them but let them exist in like casual or something. Always liked maps like Prodigy, Tides, Chateau, Pirenesi, Italy, Havana & Port from source.
Totally agree - biggest issue
Prodigy's setting reminds me a bit of the wingman map Maginot!
I loved Prodigy exactlybecause it wasn't a polished, perfect map. It felt unique, and i never really bitched about a map being CT sided. You just needed that one entry moment where you could swarm the map with your teammates, and when that happened prodigy was like a cool hide-and-seek experience.
Being in a 1v1 situation on that map just sent shivers down the spine when you were CT. It really depends on round time wheyher map is CT or T sided.
I used to load up prodigy in a local game and walk around the map reminiscing of the good times I had playing it in the past.
you could still add some podbot
Chillin beating ken literally changed melee forever - love the little melee cameos you’ve been adding 🙏
I think it’d be awesome if Penguin started covering Smash Bros as some side content or something.
@@Soda_kill Same here, I feel like their style is really suited to covering a game like melee.
I used to love playing prodigy on CS Source community servers. It may not be a great map for 5v5 competitive play, but in the old days on the big 32 player servers it was so much fun.
Well, it actually plays pretty good into competetive category, especially if you were to scale it vertically.
i was a CZ player and played this map about 10x every week for 4+ years in the community server i would play in. it was a really fun map (this was around 2003-2007)
I just realized that this map theme was likely inspired by the maginot line fortifications. You guys should check the community wingman map "Maginot"
I miss this map. It was a lot of fun. And it was very popular even in CS:Source. People played it all the time.
When I was a kid I used to look at the skybox on the balcony.
There's a single house on top of the hills if you look closely
It was so melancholic to me
I agree completely, when he said it was ugly I was like what? You just had to be there to understand, that evening time skybox is a vibe that hits in the feels - really takes you back to those days...sorta of makes me misty eyed honestly haha
I played a lot on prodigy , especially that place where the bots fall off and go "Aaahaaaah"
Prodigy's setting reminds me a bit of the wingman map Maginot!
Nice video Penguin!
One of the problem of porting old "bad" maps to CS:GO is, back in the old days, CS was rarely played in 5v5 teams of similar skilled players. There could be a huge skill gap between the worst and the best player, teams didn't always have equal amount of players, and players could switch sides at any point during the match. This helped to balance a very unbalanced maps. If one side was harder, you could always have more or more skilled players on that side
Most of the maps can be balanced if only you reversed the spawns and moved bombsites. Then you come up with proper layout.
As a former CAL-I player back in the day, I can say after all the hours put into this game, de_prodigy remains one of the most dynamic defuse maps ever made.
The multitude of contact points, distance, and timing made each round unique and variable. Nades felt way more valuable in each part of the map due to a lot of blind spots but the map lent itself well driving close quarter confrontation and encouraged tight coordination with its short distancing.
Many a good memories scrimming on this map.
I could see prodigy making a return in the future as a hostage map
i miss this map sooo muchhhh it's sooo cozy and soft perfect for a casual game mode
When playing 1.6 I always try to vote de_prodigy when most likely people vote dust2 over and over or inferno/train/nuke.. I just had a few times to play Prodigy in a 16 or 20-people pub server but it was really fun to camp in the unpredictable corners or sneak via those small paths. By the way I love mountain view. It is low resolution but at that time I still feel it is breathtaking to watch.
A more accurate title would be "One of Counter-Strike's first defuse maps", as Dust and Nuke were included in the same update as prodigy, beta 4.0 on november 5 1999
Prodigy's setting reminds me a bit of the wingman map Maginot! :) Great map btw
so many memories, especially falling off the ledge and dying haha
I think I got stuck on that ledge a few times instead of falling off lol. I think u could do a pixel walk on some portions too
I haven"t even watched the video yet, but I know it's going to be amazing. You're a absolute S tier video maker. please remember people like me LOVE your videos. Keep up the amazing work and remember, we love you and there's no better CS:GO content creator then you.
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i feel like all his new videos are just "this map is old, sucks and will never be in csgo"
@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 good fórmula
It's still a great classic CS map that goes back to the very beginnings of this series. Lots of cool little tunnels and corridors. Nostalgia!
Prodigy’s setting reminds me a bit of the wingman map Maginot!
Thanks for putting up a minimap this video, it helps a lot
de_prodigy lore:
Prodigy actually has a story that only mentioned in a Alexander Manilov interview. Its called Prodigy because the crator was listening to The Prodigy at the time. The map has its name because of a experimental super AI called P.R.O.D.I.G.Y. that gets attacked by a rival computer firm that hires a mercenary group of terrorists.
Also originally prodigys guard house was supposed to have working cameras but it didnt worked because for some reason de_ maps dont let cameras work
holy shit memory unlocked, i have played cs since 1999 but stopped for csgo. i loved this map as a kid
wow i haven't played so much for the last 20 years. I just came here to reminisce those graphics. I remember when i was playing cs with friends during highschool years. I remember so much maps that were classics at this time : prodigy, italy, chateau, militia, assault, office, train, cbble, estate ... and immortals such as dust 2, inferno, aztec, nuke ... such a great game ... now i'm a father of 2, living a life far from video games. It was cool to be a gamer in 2Ks though, i'll never forget
Matches on Prodigy was something else. Nice video.
Iv played cs since 1.3 and pridogy was my favourite man for a long long time. Always thought it was a shame it's just non existent in csgo. It had the coolest atmosphere
The true de_prodigy experience was having a teammate take the bomb to outside long hallway, dying, and having the bomb fly off the map
I knew I'd heard the name before but didn't realize which map it was until the cliffside view was shown. I don't think I ever played the map much myself but it brought back tons of memories of old CS frag videos.
I loved this Map...guaranteed bloodbath every time you play it. you should know this map was used in competitive pools too. I remember a match played by some underdogs called 4kings (British clan I believe) and they gave a heavy favorite a real hard time although I can't quite recall who they played. 4 kings really blew my mind that match, with their unique play style on prodigy
Prodigy was our favorite map back in the 1.5 and 1.6 days. Me and the homies used to play it for days. That and Quake 2 on The Edge map. Good times o7
I played a league match on prodigy back in the day where due to the economy balance in CS 1.3 the most effective strategy on a T eco round was to camp spawn with glocks and wait out the round timer, which back then was 3 minutes. We sat in T spawn for 3 minutes. Good times.
I remember some late nights in 2003 on this map. Lots of fun pub games on this one.
For a good while this was my favorite CS map (and I was reeeaaalllly good at it), and when you talk about it being a bad map with balance issues I must say I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Since there's only 2 directions you can go that both connect to each other, the strategy is solid for both teams, and the map has a unique circular flow like a race track. Whatever direction either team chooses to attack or defend, they absolutely have to be ready for pressure coming the opposite direction. I'll admit the map leaves little room for improv tactics since it's basic and it boxes you in, but that's all part of the fun.
there use to be another gametype called chargers where the clock doesn't stop between rounds and both teams have 10 minutes to get as many T rounds as possible. I think de_prodigy was geared toward that older gametype because only one path is really viable for offense which forces the random people to play together more. the fight is an extended lane with that vent element in the ceiling to make it more interesting (CT can only get to it before T with a very good spawn so most often it's empty)
a misunderstood and overlooked map that a lot of people scrimmed and played for a reason!
I’m always wishing they would add more fun stuff like more physics objects to csgo, and this guy said that was what made the source version bad, lol
Damn, it might have been unbalanced, but HE exchange between teams on long is kinda iconic picture.
Back in the day it was common in games to open doors on different kinds of buttons or control pannels next to doors or even in other rooms rather than walking up to a door and using a hotkey.
not sure if you take suggestions but maybe look back at maps added from old operations? Some of them were fun and also horribly unbalanced but fun none the less.
Didn't recognise this map at all until it switched to Source and I realise it's a map I played hours on in Gmod Trouble In Terrorist Town
As a melee and csgo player and watcher your vids are great and the small melee bits added warms my heart
prodigy was propably most intense map in 1.x era, I loved it
The irony is that prodigy would be an amazing casual map for a 10v10 game mode
Man its weird to think that I played de_prodigy first in counter strike condition zero.That map always had such awesome vibe to it.Which I miss the most in newer cs game.
Damn what a nostalgia trip. When I first started playing 2v2's with my buddy they were always in prodigy.
Haven't seen this map in literally over a decade
Remember playing this map in WCG quali in my country, was such a fun map.
7:50 "they just wanted to play counterstrike" funny you say that - i distinctly remember "playing" loads of prodigy in both 1.6 and also cs:source, but "playing" meant waiting for minutes at a time at one of the many impassable chokepoints in 10v10 servers, hoping the other team would get tired and try to push, and then getting lost in the bombsite maze in the last 20 seconds if you survived, or sitting there in spectator mode if you didnt. The source version had a better layout, but of course had those physics items, and also had several experimental lighting effects which dropped my FPS to about 5.
This map was also in the original Xbox CS port that came out in 2003. Great memories on Xbox Live.
loved the video, enjoy your break!
Prodigy was the first map i ever played on cs. I loved it. So many spots you could wallbang on and the peeking on the bottleneck places was fun as hell.
I'm pretty sure I've never heard the name before, and I didn't recognize the 1.6 version.
The moment you booted up the Source version though, damn, that brings back memories.
Not because I played it in Source, nonono, but in Gmod. TTT to be specific.
Oh man, completed forgot this existed. I must be old
Take your time! Love your videos
damn i loved prodigy and i miss that map, so great to see it's getting a bit of attention these days
love your content mate
The CS 1.6 version feels like it’s actually part of Black Mesa while Source makes it feel like it’s part of the rebel base you use to fight striders in HL2:E2
I was talking about cs recently and this as well as de_survivor came up. I loved that map, but no one ever wanted to play it - I know it wasn't exactly good, but it was so neat looking.
The button to open doors is probably a left over from that games era. It was more "logical" to press a button to open it then "push" or "click" a up-slide door.
Ich habe damals bei CS1.6 ein Testmatch gegen TAMM und SK in der Clanbase gehabt mit Clan AY. Man fühlte sich geehrt gegen solche Teams spielen zu dürfen. Die haben unserem Team mal ordentlich die Grenzen im aiming und taktischen Verschieben aufgezeigt. CSGO habe ich ausgelassen aber fange wieder an CS2 zu spielen. Mit 44 Jahren ist einiges eingerostet aber es wird von Tag zu Tag besser. Man schafft es jedenfalls an alte Zeiten anzuknüpfen. Und es macht Spaß.
Prodidy, aztec, Train und cbble würde ich gern in CS2 wiedersehen. Aber optisch wie in CS1.6 mit der neuen Grafik Engine halt. ❤
what a fantastic opening remark: "every cs player AT LEAST KNOWS of (cs_)office", ahhh the times we live in xD Love the video
I had so much fun scriming this map with my team to prepare for it in CAL
Oh maaan THANK YOU 4 REMIND ME of de_prodigy!!! it's a great map and u did a great analysis!
I remember this map very well. Wall banging was so broken there, and so many places to scan through. I played ClanBase matches on this map and got banned on many servers for wallhacking there, even i was playing fully legit. Second map with this amount of walls to scan, was nuke and third one i guess, inferno :)
playing prodigy on CSS back in the day in fun servers... good times. thanks for the memories. that hallway (6:40) was such a chokepoint i remember trying over and over again to win there and failing because i was but a noob
one of the toughest maps in the esl 3on3 ladder back in the days
i remember from 1.6, cz times. early/mid 2000s.
yesterday i took my original cd rom cs out of
the cabinet. nostalgia.
i always liked to play those maps, if anybody
remember mjolby, or karachi, or even sunny. those
give me feels. unfortunately the design of prodigy
made it more like a casual than a competitive map.
the way the bomb sites are located you cannot outplay
the cts to stack, or make a gamble. once Ts are trying
to enter, or entering the site the round is over most of
the times.
I play since beta 7 and I kinda liked playing de_prodigy - I would love to see it as a CS2 workshop map
I played this on 1.6 and Condition Zero. It may be weird, but I love old Counter-Strike bot matches. I'm no good at multiplayer, and I enjoy singleplayer. I've had an Xbox for 10 years, and have never bought a Gold subscription.
de_prodigy was our home map for many months. Really good memories were made on that map. Thanks to the creators of this map. I kinda dropped out of CS at the switch to CS:GO, but I feel sad this map did not get the legendary status of being ported over.
man, I really miss the classics. Prodigy, piranesi, Oilrig, militia and siege.
de_prodigy?! Damn, it's been years since the last time I was playing on that map
That brings me back.. Not quite as old but remember de_port? and cs_compound.
Even though i rarely get to play it with other people, this was one of my favorite CS maps. The 1.6 version with all the half-life textures was really cool
prodigy one of the OG goats
I played a lot of prodigy during cs 1.6 and cs source days, Really sad that they never made a good csgo version of prodigy
I remember the buy zone in ct-spawn being really far out and buy time often being very long in 1.1-1.6. That way you could stay in spawn throwing nades for 90 seconds down the corridor.
Everybody gangsta until one T yeets the C4 over the fence
I really hope they bring new and improved Prodigy and Piranesi to CS:S2
I learned CS on Prodigy. Bunny hopping with an MP5 with perfect accuracy. Ahhh, good times.
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Considering that both teams had a solid strategy for defense, whoever won the first pistol round(s) should have won the match as well.
It was soooo easy to defend the sites as a CT on this map. I have good memories, like this map. I miss the old 1.5 era.
Nice to hear that you'll chill for a week. Good video.
It's kinda sad how competitive CS has become over the years. I miss the old days were maps were fun 1st, optimized 2nd