There was also a smaller 32 ACP version and 380 version. All 3 versions had reliability issues. Some guns ran pretty well and others were hard to keep running reliably.
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I've had a Stoeger made P-08 replica Luger since about 1993. It is marked with the America Eagle on the breach. It shoots fine for about a 50 round box. I have one of these marked BP-22 on the slide. It has an emblem on top different from the ERMA logo he showed. The safety moves like is should still have the ball and spring it but does not work. The magazine looks okay and the toggle works like it should. Have not had a chance to test it yet.
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The center fire LUGER pistol design is actually a further evolution of the 1893 Borchardt C-93 developed here in the U.S. preceding the C-96 Mauser pistol. Hugo Borchardt had an interesting firearms background during the late 1800's that is worth reading about. It was the toggle action of the Maxim Machinegun that influenced his pistol development. I have one of these units in my collection along with centerfire LUGER units which are much more reliable but not as cheap to plink with of course. I would love to own a Borchardt C-93 which unfortunately are mega bucks.
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I watch these but haven't picked one up yet. I did score an Erma Werke EP 882 S (.22 LR P38 clone) late last year. I haven't shot it yet, but it's a great example.
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I got one used years ago that was missing part of the front sight. Ordered a new one which, being pot metal and cast, arrived broken. I hand filed one out of steel. Also have a KGP 68A and 68B. Both are superb and fine looking. They don't have lined barrels. The LA is the same size as the P08, but the KGP's are both smaller. One is .32 and the other .380. They are stamped with the European equivalent. They share the same stock number firing pin, being interchangeable. There was a KGB69 which was .22, but I don't know the size. I think larger. Beeman marked that in US under name Beeman P08. The Stoeger Luger is quite a different bird. General shape and size as the LA 22, but the internals are someone's wildarce invention. He had bought the copyright of the word, "LUGER". Made of aircraft aluminum and cheap thin metal, it looks like a child's black anodized tin toggle action space toy. If you take it apart you might regret it, because there is a little wire spring that is held in place by a nylon flat ended screw. That screw was superseded by a metal one. It, the Stoeger, is a booger to reassemble.
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Several years ago, I went to a gun show locally seeking a good .22LR handgun. after a brief tour of the tables, my choice came down to one of these for 400 bucks and a new in the box (old stock) Taurus revolver a near exact copy of the old .22-32 kit gun for 475 bucks. I settled on the revolver for a couple of reasons, first it was made of real steel, and second because of memories of my father strapping on his little .22 revolver a real Smith 22-32 kit gun to walk his trap lines on the Timber Creek near our farm. Dad's trap line added grocery money to our farm income in winter when money became scarce. I am disabled and it is rare that I get to the range, so to date I have yet to take the little revolver out to do some plinking, I am hoping to get out this summer and take my M1911A1 out to get a bit of exercise as well. Going to have to do that, one of these days....
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the Erma is closer to a P-08 mechanically. They both have a barrel reciprocates like an old howitzer, The bolt and knee links are in line. When the Toggle disks hits the ramp, the bolt links Knee bends. . . ON A Stoeger, it works without the toggle assembled. There is a big bolt block like a Hi-Standard HD Military, straight blow back. The toggle disks never touch the pistol frame ramps. The Knee is an exterior cover set of bent steel plates, concealing the actual blow back bolt. You can take the Knee cover plates and toggle disks off, and the pistol still fires and cycles. The Stoeger is severely top heavy. . The blow back bolt feels very heavy. . .On a P-08 or Erma, the top is lightweight, all the weight is in the Magazine lead rounds.
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Very helpful video! I just came across one of these a few weeks back cleaning out my grandpas old stuff. I do have a question. When I flipped the safety, the spring broke and the ball popped out. I was able to catch the ball, but the spring is kaput. Any ideas on what I can try to use in its place? I’m not sure what you used that worked so well, but if I’m pointed in the right direction, I’m savvy enough to fab it from there. Thank you again! Jason
Check out about 14:50 in this video where I talk about the ball and spring for the safety. Note that basically I just re-purposed an old spring for this purpose. I have an assortment of old used parts, but you can also look at what's available at your hardware store. This would be a light tight spring stretched then cut down to fit into the detent under the ball. In my case, I wrapped an old spring around a small nail to get the diameter I needed. Then I stretched it a little and cut to fit. Good luck. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. If you haven't already, I hope you'll check out my other "Mick Mac" Tabletop Review videos on UA-cam.
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There was also a smaller 32 ACP version and 380 version. All 3 versions had reliability issues. Some guns ran pretty well and others were hard to keep running reliably.
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I've had a Stoeger made P-08 replica Luger since about 1993. It is marked with the America Eagle on the breach. It shoots fine for about a 50 round box. I have one of these marked BP-22 on the slide. It has an emblem on top different from the ERMA logo he showed. The safety moves like is should still have the ball and spring it but does not work. The magazine looks okay and the toggle works like it should. Have not had a chance to test it yet.
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The center fire LUGER pistol design is actually a further evolution of the 1893 Borchardt C-93 developed here in the U.S. preceding the C-96 Mauser pistol. Hugo Borchardt had an interesting firearms background during the late 1800's that is worth reading about. It was the toggle action of the Maxim Machinegun that influenced his pistol development. I have one of these units in my collection along with centerfire LUGER units which are much more reliable but not as cheap to plink with of course. I would love to own a Borchardt C-93 which unfortunately are mega bucks.
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I watch these but haven't picked one up yet. I did score an Erma Werke EP 882 S (.22 LR P38 clone) late last year. I haven't shot it yet, but it's a great example.
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I got one used years ago that was missing part of the front sight. Ordered a new one which, being pot metal and cast, arrived broken. I hand filed one out of steel. Also have a KGP 68A and 68B. Both are superb and fine looking. They don't have lined barrels. The LA is the same size as the P08, but the KGP's are both smaller. One is .32 and the other .380. They are stamped with the European equivalent. They share the same stock number firing pin, being interchangeable. There was a KGB69 which was .22, but I don't know the size. I think larger. Beeman marked that in US under name Beeman P08. The Stoeger Luger is quite a different bird. General shape and size as the LA 22, but the internals are someone's wildarce invention. He had bought the copyright of the word, "LUGER". Made of aircraft aluminum and cheap thin metal, it looks like a child's black anodized tin toggle action space toy. If you take it apart you might regret it, because there is a little wire spring that is held in place by a nylon flat ended screw. That screw was superseded by a metal one. It, the Stoeger, is a booger to reassemble.
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I just bought an LA-22 for $199 with one magazine. It's not as in good condition as yours but definitely will sit nicely with my Ruger Mark IV!
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I had one for almost 40 years, lost it to hurricane Ian. Would love to get another one. I'm shopping.
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Several years ago, I went to a gun show locally seeking a good .22LR handgun. after a brief tour of the tables, my choice came down to one of these for 400 bucks and a new in the box (old stock) Taurus revolver a near exact copy of the old .22-32 kit gun for 475 bucks. I settled on the revolver for a couple of reasons, first it was made of real steel, and second because of memories of my father strapping on his little .22 revolver a real Smith 22-32 kit gun to walk his trap lines on the Timber Creek near our farm. Dad's trap line added grocery money to our farm income in winter when money became scarce. I am disabled and it is rare that I get to the range, so to date I have yet to take the little revolver out to do some plinking, I am hoping to get out this summer and take my M1911A1 out to get a bit of exercise as well. Going to have to do that, one of these days....
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the Erma is closer to a P-08 mechanically. They both have a barrel reciprocates like an old howitzer, The bolt and knee links are in line. When the Toggle disks hits the ramp, the bolt links Knee bends. . . ON A Stoeger, it works without the toggle assembled. There is a big bolt block like a Hi-Standard HD Military, straight blow back. The toggle disks never touch the pistol frame ramps. The Knee is an exterior cover set of bent steel plates, concealing the actual blow back bolt. You can take the Knee cover plates and toggle disks off, and the pistol still fires and cycles. The Stoeger is severely top heavy. . The blow back bolt feels very heavy. . .On a P-08 or Erma, the top is lightweight, all the weight is in the Magazine lead rounds.
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Very helpful video! I just came across one of these a few weeks back cleaning out my grandpas old stuff. I do have a question. When I flipped the safety, the spring broke and the ball popped out. I was able to catch the ball, but the spring is kaput. Any ideas on what I can try to use in its place? I’m not sure what you used that worked so well, but if I’m pointed in the right direction, I’m savvy enough to fab it from there. Thank you again! Jason
Check out about 14:50 in this video where I talk about the ball and spring for the safety. Note that basically I just re-purposed an old spring for this purpose. I have an assortment of old used parts, but you can also look at what's available at your hardware store. This would be a light tight spring stretched then cut down to fit into the detent under the ball. In my case, I wrapped an old spring around a small nail to get the diameter I needed. Then I stretched it a little and cut to fit. Good luck. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. If you haven't already, I hope you'll check out my other "Mick Mac" Tabletop Review videos on UA-cam.
@@mickmacstabletopreviews8466 Fantastic! I'll give it a go! Thank you again!