This will probably end up as pick 30 though. It was 23 to begin with. It's frustrating with all these academy and father son bids pushing everyone else's picks back.
The draft pool is what matters. Father/son and academy selections are already excluded from the available talent pool (except where a club fails to match a competing bid) so the available talent pool is not affected by the inclusion of father/son or academy selections early in the draft. This occurs when clubs are prepared to bid to ensure that an appropriate price is paid for highly talented father/son or academy players. St Kilda's pick 8 (compensation for the loss of Josh Battle) is the only selection that erodes the draft talent pool.
Toby and Cooper I think would be ideal with the hand we currently have. Think we should try get denver grainger-barras as SSP for abit of defensive depth with Rotham delisted.
Denver would be worth a spot on the list, even as just a gate keeper. For all of his faults, he is always competitive and aggressive, the latter being a trait the backline could use.
West Coast desperately need young mids, right now the only mid under 25 who looks any good is Reid. Ginbey looks a defender and Hewett's body is still not right so I am not counting him until he puts some runs on the board. I think use both our first picks on best mids available, even then it won't be enough, we should not have traded away early picks. We need to pick around 4 mids under 25 to help Reid and ideally we needed them picked in the top 50. We also need atleast 1 key position defender. I don't expect to get all that in 1 draft but it looks like we struggle to get half of it and Tassie will enter soon.
Great stuff, keep em coming Jesse. Curious how you think we will fill the ~ 6 remaining list spots? My guess is 3 at the draft, 1 rookie and 2 delisted free agents.
Great video Jessie. I think we really need at least the best midfielder we can get. I can make an argument for an extractor, first hands on the ball type inside mid (preference) but also for a smooth moving, high skill type.
A Tobie Travaglia then a Hamish Davis then a rookie Will Hayes would give a lot of running power then a Charlie Nicholls would be great Cooper Hynes would be good Tom Gross is another vic metro mummy boy I really like Zac Johnson
100% agree that now is not the right time to be drafting an 18 year old ruckman. Especially with the recent rule changes, the ruck spot benefits very thick, mature bodies. It is a weakness on the list but an 18yo is not going to solve that. It should probably be a target in the next trade/free agency period if something unexpected does not evolve from within. With nearly all clubs only playing one ruckman, there are plenty of under utilised AFL standard guys around who would love a chance to be the number one ruck.
I would be surprised if it was totally off the table to trade one of the future firsts from next year, maybe not WCs but Hawthorn's would have to be considered. Even if all eyes are on Warner next year, then with the future trading rules changing to allow picks from the next two years to be traded, three first round picks could still be offered. I am not advocating three first rounders for Warner, just pointing out that access to draft capital for any player is available whether or not one of next years first rounders are gone. If Richmond was willing to give up pick 18 for Hawthorns future first that would tempt me.
Yeah this is totally my view. I actually think the challenge is swapping next years round 1 pick, likely 1-5, with anyone this year. Maybe st kilda for say pick 7 with a 3 or for F3 coming back to west coast?
Maybe if they're any good. We need tall defenders and pace now. A tough midfielder in the early 20s may be useful for 4 years time when Baker and Graham retire.
@@BDub2024 I wouldn't say they're quick. But I reckon Carroll and Prior could both potentially be best 23 next year. I'm a bit surprised they were delisted.
@@BigCatinBKK better than robertson? we need depth and pace for sure. Early 20s is useful. But we don't need guys just playing WAFL, they'd have to show that there is potential to really improve.
@@BDub2024 It's hard to assess that because all of Robertson, Prior and Carroll struggled for opportunity at sides that were well stocked with similar players. I think Prior showed at least as much as Robertson did while at Brisbane, albeit in a different role. Robertson is an inside midfielder, so he was behind a few at Brisbane. And he was therefore asked to play at times as a defensive HFF, which is a pretty thankless role. Prior is more of a rugged HBF and he probably got a bit more opportunity in that role. I think he also has some potential to run and carry. I reckon he'd be good for us as a medium defender or as a defensively minded winger with some grunt. I also like Jack Carroll. Looks pretty clean in traffic.
Looking at Clancy Dennis, he looks like a likely wa key defender. Davis is another half forward that we don’t seem to need. I like your thoughts on half back with 12 then and inside bull at 26, maybe trade back in later for a key back and some points for champion. Surely they take him late
I like the look of Cooper Hynes. Boantempellan and Hynes would be a good way to advance the midfield rebuild. Hamish Davis has bolted, but do we see him as a legit midfielder? My doubt here is whether he would offer much as a forward at AFL level. He's not big enough to be a big bopper, and I'm not sure he's quick enough to be a leading medium third tall. I'm also not against picking a young tall who can play in defence, because we're currently depending on McGovern, then Edwards and Bazzo. And then we've got nothing. Add DGB to the DFA shopping list. As for trading back into this year's draft, what would stop us packaging two future second-rounders for something decent this year?
Allan and Davis would be a very vanilla draft for us. We need to be more creative than just selecting the best perceived WA talent available at our pick. I'm hoping we take Travaglia (if available) or Lindsay and James Barrat (who will likely be a 30-40 pick).
I'd be pretty happy if any of these guys slid to us at 26(30), a lot of these guys have been mentioned as top 30 talent, only the WA lads are outside the 30, so with our pick basically taking the 30th best talent, one of these would be a get. Have you any thoughts on Mraz, Angus Clarke or Harry O'Farrell?
Fantastic as usual, I think a lot of people forget how long it takes for rucks to mature as players, occasionally you get one out of the box. Christian would suit being young I feel
problem is that we already have BWilliams, Flynn, Livingstone, Jamieson, Barnett and then Archer Reid as a future ruckman forward. They are all around the 200cm mark. So we have so many ruckman that they aren't getting enough time on the ball at WAFL and stopping their development.
@@user-ln8we1ud9c that's a bit irrelevant. The young rucks are Barnett 20 and Livingstone 19. Jamieson is utility 24. BWilliams is a forward who rucks 24. Flynn got a bad injury last year and is 27. Archer Reid is 19. Ruckman don't develop until they're mid 20s often. But the more ruckman that are brought in, the less time for development. Barnett needs to be rucking full games, but is being stuck forward pocket and bench. Archer Reid and Barnett and Livingstone were running around forward line all 201cm plus. Jamo missed a lot of the year or he'd been another one trying to do ruck and tall defence. Then if Flynn hadn't been injured you would have also had BWilliams as a forward ruck. They have an abundance of forward rucks. they need exposure.
@@BDub2024 You think its irrelevant that we have the worst rucks in the AFL ? B Williams went backwards this year. H Barnett went backwards, M Flynn was injured but when he wasn't he also was underwhelming. A Reid looks more FWD then Ruck. I think a lot of games may have been wasted on BWilliams as a Ruck, I dont think he makes it as a FWD in our side either given our depth of KP forwards. Overall the ruck situation at West Coast has been poorly managed, lets not sugar coat it and continue to make excuses.
WAFL Colts is underrated imo because all the Vic's cover the Coates and all of the other leagues don't get the coverage. Geelong getting Humphries last season is a prime example. Davis is projected to go mid 30's but the reality is our pick 26 is actually pick 30 after the Academy bids. Hynes has to be our main target but if he is off the books then Davis or Moraes. Davis was best on ground in the Colts Premiership and won MVP for the club too. He was also a Co-Captain too so has leadership potential. I like him. I saw Gerryn play live and his foot skills are poor. Based on that I would most definitely turn him into a lock down Defender.
I think we have some exciting years ahead of us, fingers crossed we have good luck in regards to low amounts of injury's so we can build some team synergy for the new game style. Given the excess amount of forwards we currently have, id like to see Liam Ryan tried in the HBF and Dewar to take his roll with the new carlton recruit
I fear eagles are looking at some lean years ahead after giving up a strong hand and with tassie on the horizon. We are not gaining enough ground on the teams above us. There are teams above us with better draft hands then us. I think the eagles are one of the biggest losers of the compromised draft era period.
Curious about the key back need. We will have Jamieson, Barnett and bazzo playing key back in the wafl. Don't know where this potential draft pick would get a game down there. Meanwhile just archer Reid and Livingstone playing up front, with bwilliams or Flynn in the ruck. If we draft another key back, someone will need to shift back into the ruck rotation or up forward.
Eagles have a lot of injury prone players there, Jamieson, Bazzo, Flynn, HEdwards, all injury prone, if they can't keep on the park we have to get rid of a few. Its tough, they are not old either.
Gerruyn is not the tallest ruckman but he is very good around the ground, read the play well good in ground contest. The future WCE game style does not require a good tapped ruckman but instead another midfielder ruckman. We should get another 2nd round pick for him.
Great point about the ruck position Jesse. I feel like there is always 1 ruckman in the draft that is way better than others, so it overrates them a lot. I would love the eagles to get Cooper Hyens, like you said he would be great support for guys like Reid and Hewitt, He would definitely free them up more.
Eagle will try to give up a future first round pick (say pick 15) and a future second round pick for a pick in the 2024 draft. Probably around the 12 mark.
This eagles rebuild looks much poorer then the 2002 and 2010 rebuilds. In those rebuilds we kept our high picks and turned them into judd, Kerr, glass, naitanui gaff, shuey. We traded smart with players like Kennedy, yeo, cripps and stenglien, chick. We got draft bargains like McGovern, lecras, barass and cox, embley, Hunter. This rebuild has been going since 2022 and so far it's looking like the only sure bets are Reid and Hoff and Reid might leave. I get fans want to be optimistic but how about being realistic this rebuild has been poor from a trade, drafting and list management point of view. I believe the decisions made may have set us back years. I don't think Reid stays and I don't think Mcqualter will be our next flag coach.
we don't need a young ruckman. currently we have Flynn/BWilliams, Livingstone, Barnett and Jamieson all running around at WAFL. Then Archer Reid the tallest of them who in 4-5 years could develop into a good ruckman forward as he fills out.
I reckon eagles should use pick 12 26 Malakai champion and another pick in this years draft and then delisted free agency pick up jack carroll denver grainer barass tom clurey and maybe jaxon prior
Strongly dislike Oliver, Gross, Gerreyn and Whitlock. Oliver is too small for his position. Gross is the worst kick in the draft. Gerreyn's lack of vertical leap gives him a ceiling and Whitlock lacks a clear role.
we desperately need young mids, all we have is Reid and this draft has 6/7 excellent top 10 mids, they will all be gone by the time we pick now. I think this trade period will be a sliding doors moment for all the wrong reasons for the eagles
This will probably end up as pick 30 though. It was 23 to begin with. It's frustrating with all these academy and father son bids pushing everyone else's picks back.
The draft pool is what matters. Father/son and academy selections are already excluded from the available talent pool (except where a club fails to match a competing bid) so the available talent pool is not affected by the inclusion of father/son or academy selections early in the draft. This occurs when clubs are prepared to bid to ensure that an appropriate price is paid for highly talented father/son or academy players. St Kilda's pick 8 (compensation for the loss of Josh Battle) is the only selection that erodes the draft talent pool.
GWS also received a 1st round pick as compensation for the loss of Isaac Cumming . I hope I haven't missed any other 1st round compensation picks.
Don't forget we will also get Malakai Champion latter on in the Draft
Thanks Jesse. As someone who struggles to get interested in the draft, these vids are a very helpful guide of who we could go for
I like the sound of christian, sounds like the exact type of player we need
Another Amazing video! Really gave me some ideas on who we can get. keep it up
We can't get much.
Toby and Cooper I think would be ideal with the hand we currently have. Think we should try get denver grainger-barras as SSP for abit of defensive depth with Rotham delisted.
Denver would be worth a spot on the list, even as just a gate keeper. For all of his faults, he is always competitive and aggressive, the latter being a trait the backline could use.
West Coast desperately need young mids, right now the only mid under 25 who looks any good is Reid. Ginbey looks a defender and Hewett's body is still not right so I am not counting him until he puts some runs on the board. I think use both our first picks on best mids available, even then it won't be enough, we should not have traded away early picks. We need to pick around 4 mids under 25 to help Reid and ideally we needed them picked in the top 50. We also need atleast 1 key position defender. I don't expect to get all that in 1 draft but it looks like we struggle to get half of it and Tassie will enter soon.
Great stuff, keep em coming Jesse. Curious how you think we will fill the ~ 6 remaining list spots? My guess is 3 at the draft, 1 rookie and 2 delisted free agents.
Great video Jessie. I think we really need at least the best midfielder we can get. I can make an argument for an extractor, first hands on the ball type inside mid (preference) but also for a smooth moving, high skill type.
A Tobie Travaglia then a Hamish Davis then a rookie Will Hayes would give a lot of running power then a Charlie Nicholls would be great Cooper Hynes would be good Tom Gross is another vic metro mummy boy I really like Zac Johnson
a video on true footy on The Best from the West would be good. Specialise in all the best west aussie draftees. all supporters would like that.
No thanks
@@user-ln8we1ud9c yes please.
100% agree that now is not the right time to be drafting an 18 year old ruckman. Especially with the recent rule changes, the ruck spot benefits very thick, mature bodies. It is a weakness on the list but an 18yo is not going to solve that. It should probably be a target in the next trade/free agency period if something unexpected does not evolve from within. With nearly all clubs only playing one ruckman, there are plenty of under utilised AFL standard guys around who would love a chance to be the number one ruck.
I would be surprised if it was totally off the table to trade one of the future firsts from next year, maybe not WCs but Hawthorn's would have to be considered. Even if all eyes are on Warner next year, then with the future trading rules changing to allow picks from the next two years to be traded, three first round picks could still be offered. I am not advocating three first rounders for Warner, just pointing out that access to draft capital for any player is available whether or not one of next years first rounders are gone.
If Richmond was willing to give up pick 18 for Hawthorns future first that would tempt me.
Yeah this is totally my view. I actually think the challenge is swapping next years round 1 pick, likely 1-5, with anyone this year. Maybe st kilda for say pick 7 with a 3 or for F3 coming back to west coast?
Should grab Jack Carroll as a delisted FA.
Jaxon Prior too.
Maybe if they're any good. We need tall defenders and pace now. A tough midfielder in the early 20s may be useful for 4 years time when Baker and Graham retire.
are any of them quick as a future wingman.
@@BDub2024 I wouldn't say they're quick. But I reckon Carroll and Prior could both potentially be best 23 next year. I'm a bit surprised they were delisted.
@@BigCatinBKK better than robertson? we need depth and pace for sure. Early 20s is useful. But we don't need guys just playing WAFL, they'd have to show that there is potential to really improve.
@@BDub2024 It's hard to assess that because all of Robertson, Prior and Carroll struggled for opportunity at sides that were well stocked with similar players.
I think Prior showed at least as much as Robertson did while at Brisbane, albeit in a different role. Robertson is an inside midfielder, so he was behind a few at Brisbane. And he was therefore asked to play at times as a defensive HFF, which is a pretty thankless role. Prior is more of a rugged HBF and he probably got a bit more opportunity in that role. I think he also has some potential to run and carry. I reckon he'd be good for us as a medium defender or as a defensively minded winger with some grunt.
I also like Jack Carroll. Looks pretty clean in traffic.
Looking at Clancy Dennis, he looks like a likely wa key defender. Davis is another half forward that we don’t seem to need. I like your thoughts on half back with 12 then and inside bull at 26, maybe trade back in later for a key back and some points for champion. Surely they take him late
I like the look of Cooper Hynes. Boantempellan and Hynes would be a good way to advance the midfield rebuild.
Hamish Davis has bolted, but do we see him as a legit midfielder? My doubt here is whether he would offer much as a forward at AFL level. He's not big enough to be a big bopper, and I'm not sure he's quick enough to be a leading medium third tall.
I'm also not against picking a young tall who can play in defence, because we're currently depending on McGovern, then Edwards and Bazzo. And then we've got nothing. Add DGB to the DFA shopping list.
As for trading back into this year's draft, what would stop us packaging two future second-rounders for something decent this year?
Allan and Davis would be a very vanilla draft for us. We need to be more creative than just selecting the best perceived WA talent available at our pick. I'm hoping we take Travaglia (if available) or Lindsay and James Barrat (who will likely be a 30-40 pick).
Travaglia is going to Richmond at pick 11.
I'd be pretty happy if any of these guys slid to us at 26(30), a lot of these guys have been mentioned as top 30 talent, only the WA lads are outside the 30, so with our pick basically taking the 30th best talent, one of these would be a get.
Have you any thoughts on Mraz, Angus Clarke or Harry O'Farrell?
Fantastic as usual, I think a lot of people forget how long it takes for rucks to mature as players, occasionally you get one out of the box. Christian would suit being young I feel
problem is that we already have BWilliams, Flynn, Livingstone, Jamieson, Barnett and then Archer Reid as a future ruckman forward. They are all around the 200cm mark. So we have so many ruckman that they aren't getting enough time on the ball at WAFL and stopping their development.
@@BDub2024 My point exactly
So many rucks yet we are the worst rucks in the afl.
@@user-ln8we1ud9c that's a bit irrelevant. The young rucks are Barnett 20 and Livingstone 19. Jamieson is utility 24. BWilliams is a forward who rucks 24. Flynn got a bad injury last year and is 27. Archer Reid is 19. Ruckman don't develop until they're mid 20s often. But the more ruckman that are brought in, the less time for development. Barnett needs to be rucking full games, but is being stuck forward pocket and bench. Archer Reid and Barnett and Livingstone were running around forward line all 201cm plus. Jamo missed a lot of the year or he'd been another one trying to do ruck and tall defence. Then if Flynn hadn't been injured you would have also had BWilliams as a forward ruck. They have an abundance of forward rucks. they need exposure.
@@BDub2024 You think its irrelevant that we have the worst rucks in the AFL ? B Williams went backwards this year. H Barnett went backwards, M Flynn was injured but when he wasn't he also was underwhelming. A Reid looks more FWD then Ruck. I think a lot of games may have been wasted on BWilliams as a Ruck, I dont think he makes it as a FWD in our side either given our depth of KP forwards. Overall the ruck situation at West Coast has been poorly managed, lets not sugar coat it and continue to make excuses.
WAFL Colts is underrated imo because all the Vic's cover the Coates and all of the other leagues don't get the coverage. Geelong getting Humphries last season is a prime example. Davis is projected to go mid 30's but the reality is our pick 26 is actually pick 30 after the Academy bids. Hynes has to be our main target but if he is off the books then Davis or Moraes. Davis was best on ground in the Colts Premiership and won MVP for the club too. He was also a Co-Captain too so has leadership potential. I like him. I saw Gerryn play live and his foot skills are poor. Based on that I would most definitely turn him into a lock down Defender.
I think we have some exciting years ahead of us, fingers crossed we have good luck in regards to low amounts of injury's so we can build some team synergy for the new game style.
Given the excess amount of forwards we currently have, id like to see Liam Ryan tried in the HBF and Dewar to take his roll with the new carlton recruit
I fear eagles are looking at some lean years ahead after giving up a strong hand and with tassie on the horizon. We are not gaining enough ground on the teams above us. There are teams above us with better draft hands then us. I think the eagles are one of the biggest losers of the compromised draft era period.
Gerryn is pronounced “Jer-rine” as in jerk and rine as in rhino. His Dad Chris played WAFL so there might be some old audio floating about on him.
What about Jack Ough?
I hear he's equally capable with both his left and right?
Curious about the key back need. We will have Jamieson, Barnett and bazzo playing key back in the wafl. Don't know where this potential draft pick would get a game down there. Meanwhile just archer Reid and Livingstone playing up front, with bwilliams or Flynn in the ruck. If we draft another key back, someone will need to shift back into the ruck rotation or up forward.
Eagles have a lot of injury prone players there, Jamieson, Bazzo, Flynn, HEdwards, all injury prone, if they can't keep on the park we have to get rid of a few. Its tough, they are not old either.
We just need two hits in this draft it’s critical. Also need Elijah Hewitt some have a good Season especially through the middle.
Forget about the Warner deal. Firstly he won't go. Anyway, the Eagles will try to push into the top 15 regardless.
We need really good young mids l, and lots of them.
I agree mids is the main thing we need, try and name good young mids we have below 26 besides Reid, its that bad.
If we miss Travaglia I think Angus Clarke would be great
Gerruyn is not the tallest ruckman but he is very good around the ground, read the play well good in ground contest. The future WCE game style does not require a good tapped ruckman but instead another midfielder ruckman.
We should get another 2nd round pick for him.
Great point about the ruck position Jesse. I feel like there is always 1 ruckman in the draft that is way better than others, so it overrates them a lot. I would love the eagles to get Cooper Hyens, like you said he would be great support for guys like Reid and Hewitt, He would definitely free them up more.
Eagle will try to give up a future first round pick (say pick 15) and a future second round pick for a pick in the 2024 draft. Probably around the 12 mark.
Eagles will no doubt pay a premium to get back into this years draft
Bo Allen, Hamish Davis and make it work to get Champion?
Matt Whitlock = Matlock?
This eagles rebuild looks much poorer then the 2002 and 2010 rebuilds. In those rebuilds we kept our high picks and turned them into judd, Kerr, glass, naitanui gaff, shuey. We traded smart with players like Kennedy, yeo, cripps and stenglien, chick. We got draft bargains like McGovern, lecras, barass and cox, embley, Hunter. This rebuild has been going since 2022 and so far it's looking like the only sure bets are Reid and Hoff and Reid might leave. I get fans want to be optimistic but how about being realistic this rebuild has been poor from a trade, drafting and list management point of view. I believe the decisions made may have set us back years. I don't think Reid stays and I don't think Mcqualter will be our next flag coach.
we don't need a young ruckman. currently we have Flynn/BWilliams, Livingstone, Barnett and Jamieson all running around at WAFL. Then Archer Reid the tallest of them who in 4-5 years could develop into a good ruckman forward as he fills out.
I reckon eagles should use pick 12 26 Malakai champion and another pick in this years draft and then delisted free agency pick up jack carroll denver grainer barass tom clurey and maybe jaxon prior
I think a good ruckman is key don’t waste time and get good one😂
Strongly dislike Oliver, Gross, Gerreyn and Whitlock.
Oliver is too small for his position. Gross is the worst kick in the draft. Gerreyn's lack of vertical leap gives him a ceiling and Whitlock lacks a clear role.
Take kayle
If the idiots kept pick 3 they may have been able to draft Langford?? Instead they’ll probably get a couple of plodders???
we desperately need young mids, all we have is Reid and this draft has 6/7 excellent top 10 mids, they will all be gone by the time we pick now. I think this trade period will be a sliding doors moment for all the wrong reasons for the eagles