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  • @User57655
    @User57655 9 місяців тому +229

    Seems that it comes down to whether you want a camera that’s good in day and fine at night (DJI) or excellent in day and terrible at night (GoPro)

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +51

      A reasonable nutshell summary.

    • @canyonblue737-8
      @canyonblue737-8 9 місяців тому +20

      I hear you but I'd say it maybe a bit different... "a camera that's good in the day and pretty bad at night (DJI) or excellent in the day and terrible at night (GoPro)"

    • @User57655
      @User57655 9 місяців тому +28

      @@canyonblue737-8 Yeah true, but have to be honest the iPhone 14 footage at the start was the benchmark and against that the DJI looks fine. For what it's worth, I think the iPhone looks pretty bad actually considering how much Apple touts the camera as 'Pro'.

    • @THE_HMRC
      @THE_HMRC 9 місяців тому

      👍 Boo Yah!

    • @goringo_
      @goringo_ 9 місяців тому +1

      Want camera who does best stabilization during mountain bike trail ride in shades of the forest during the day. Those jitters when you run in the forest are not nice..

  • @hoangpro102
    @hoangpro102 8 місяців тому +8

    Perhaps This is the most realistic video I was looking for, thanks for leaving it original

  • @RayMak
    @RayMak 9 місяців тому +42

    DJI Looks very beautiful at night

    • @wezvandez
      @wezvandez 9 місяців тому +3

      beautifully noisy and low detailed.

  • @RonaldBrown59
    @RonaldBrown59 9 місяців тому +26

    This was a very interesting test, and eye opening to see how much better the Action 4 was in low-light. Great video comparison, and thanks for sharing.

    • @vsstdtbs3705
      @vsstdtbs3705 8 місяців тому +2

      Action 4 is much better. I heard some companies that advertise their cameras, do shots in full frame, falsely implying it is the action camera doing the shots. Wonder if the GoPro website is like that. It is why independent reviews like this are so important.

  • @DoLNet142
    @DoLNet142 9 місяців тому +25

    I wanted to see what your bike looks like😂 Mystery solved! And thanks for the comparison. My preference would be the Action 4 over the Hero 12. Ordered!

  • @Flyer2303
    @Flyer2303 9 місяців тому +2

    Hi, have you already tried GP-Log?
    I have seen two videos which were quite unhappy with its performance especially noise in the shadows.
    Maybe you can also look into it?
    One of those videos states it would be fixable with gopro labs by setting ev to 0 instead of -2.0 (what the default and locked value of GP-Log apparently is).

  • @RayMak
    @RayMak 9 місяців тому +23

    This is really sad results for GoPro

  • @tictac9074
    @tictac9074 9 місяців тому +11

    I have neither a DJI or GoPro yet, and and very confused about which one to get!

  • @norgtube
    @norgtube 9 місяців тому +4

    it would be interesting to see how much info there's left in those gopro shadows because it's not blowing out highlights like the DJI but it's also a full stop underexposed.

  • @RH_000
    @RH_000 8 місяців тому

    @Dcrainmaker, thank you for an awesome Video! Which one would you suggest I get for MTB trails and travels?

  • @andyballard1883
    @andyballard1883 9 місяців тому +10

    Once again your providing just the best most thorough testing. It's really interesting though what you said at the end with regard to a phone will perform better in low light that either of the action cameras because right at the start the iPhone footage was by far the worst of the 3 🤔. For me the Action 4 was by far the best and I'm just hoping the upcoming pocket 3 performed as well as this as that is the device I'm really waiting for... keep up the great work 👍

  • @TakeBetterPhotos1
    @TakeBetterPhotos1 8 місяців тому +1

    Fabulous comparison! Do you have an idea of how bright things were at tipping point between GoPro winning and DJI winning? Is it possible to reverse-engineer the EV or lux levels from the metadata of the footage or any still photos taken at the time? I'd guess 400 lux, but I could be miles off. Thanks for all the work in such a thorough comparison.

  • @Heliosmaster
    @Heliosmaster 9 місяців тому +1

    Great work! for me your comparisons are also great for an added reason: I've lived in Amsterdam for many years and I get a bit nostalgic (in a good way)

  • @ChefJunieTv
    @ChefJunieTv 5 місяців тому

    Hello what was your ISO set to for your Action 4

  • @californication2000
    @californication2000 7 місяців тому +1

    In your original videos without compression.. do you notice action 4 blurs more the each frame than the gp? 2:24 (due to stabilization)

  • @KozaiDesign
    @KozaiDesign 5 місяців тому

    I might've missed it but do you use a muffler to cut out wind noise or is this the raw audio. Would I want a muffler?

  • @YourTioTravels
    @YourTioTravels 9 місяців тому +1

    Are they ever going to make an action camera built especially for low light. My phone currently gets way better picture in low lighting.

  • @vincedavis5326
    @vincedavis5326 9 місяців тому

    While traveling with work, I had the opportunity to bike and bike at night Belgium (Bruges and Gent). I totally need to go for an evening bike ride in the Netherlands. Thanks for the video! Great way to objectively show the +/- of either camera.

  • @tomdchi12
    @tomdchi12 9 місяців тому +17

    Great point about deciding what your priorities are. I don’t expect an action camera to do much in low light. The DJI is obviously better in real low light, but in moderate light, the GoPro is doing a better job of protecting highlights while the DJI cam is clipping them. Also, this is reminding me of just how long it’s been since I’ve been to Amsterdam, Utrecht and the Netherlands in general! Thanks for sharing that beautiful evening bike ride!

  • @SkoraMan
    @SkoraMan 6 місяців тому +1

    At the end you said, that your phone just blew out action cameras. At what point it was much better than acton 4? Because for me it's kind of similar looks of iphone 14 pro and action 4.

  • @TheTranquilWalker
    @TheTranquilWalker 6 місяців тому +1

    What was your iso/shutter settings on?

  • @honestnerd
    @honestnerd 9 місяців тому +2

    I wonder why your action 4 looks so terrible/soft. Just saw like 10 other reviews and the gopro12 almost always looked softer than the action 4, but your video is different. Any sharpness settings that have been altered in either of them? Just curious to know before purchasing one or another. Thanks!

  • @MatthewTaylor3
    @MatthewTaylor3 9 місяців тому +1

    Please do a quick video on the Action 4 vs. an iPhone or any suitable phone like a Samsung Note or S series

  • @offgridislandfamily
    @offgridislandfamily 7 місяців тому

    Great video! Thank you!

  • @JohnRocker340
    @JohnRocker340 9 місяців тому +6

    GoPro during the day, Action Cam at night is the perfect setup. Just picked up both.

  • @MichelePonte
    @MichelePonte 9 місяців тому

    Does the DJI sound better?
    To me is more loud and clear

  • @RS.Outdoors
    @RS.Outdoors 9 місяців тому +7

    Little tip. If the weather is good is to remove the glass lens cover and use the plastic shroud version in the kit instead. Note that camera is no longer weatherproof if you do. It is supposed to help in low light but I have also found it stops the wild lens flare you can get on bright sunny days as well.

    • @roninr8199
      @roninr8199 6 місяців тому

      Better to buy cheap glass protector lens cap for night

  • @michaelpolakowski7301
    @michaelpolakowski7301 9 місяців тому +2

    This might be straying outside the scope of your comparison, but I'd be interested to see what can be done with each camera's video in post-production. Underexposed imagery often contains details that aren't visible until enhancement with brightness/contrast/gamma adjustments, etc., but once the sensor is saturated, those details are gone.

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +2

      Yeah, I wanted to avoid that rabbit hole. For example, GoPro has LOG format, and DJI has D-LOG, but DJI doesn't permit D-LOG with Low Light Mode. So then you're back to an Apples to Oranges comparison, which only muddies the water even more.

  • @underthedrone2735
    @underthedrone2735 5 місяців тому

    I wonder how these cameras would do with a full-sized camera gimbal for someone walking around in the evening. I see the Insta360 Ace Pro does a better job at night but it's also quite a bit more expensive. Like you said, it depends one what and when someone wants to film and under what conditions.

  • @The__Watchmen__
    @The__Watchmen__ 8 місяців тому +2

    And this is the reason I bought a full frame sensor Panasonic S5ii, low light video is an achilles heel for many video cameras.
    The GoPro clearly has much better, natural colours, but the DJi is employing software trickery and over-compensating with high iso. The video at 7:34 clearly shows this - you can barely see your shoe in the DJI, but the GoPro handles it well.

  • @TheZakkmylde
    @TheZakkmylde 9 місяців тому

    Can anyone give me advice between these two cameras my brother has the GoPro eight and I find it annoying because you have to pay for subscriptions to view videos and edit them and it just seems like a pain in the butt. I’m curious about this competitor is it less BS or is it the same kind of thing?

  • @lamberdt
    @lamberdt 9 місяців тому +27

    Imho the size matters. And the point where gopro was losing is the moment when not enough light could get to sensor. In daytime, whoever would like totake maximum of camera, would use gp log od action 4 d log for colouring and manage colours in post production. So dji is able to be colored as gopro but night time gopro is completly unusable and it's not just bosting highlights. What's more action 4 records gyro data so stabilization can be done also in post production. As for me - diving in caves and caving there is no other option than dji. I've been waiting for this comparison but I already purchased dji action 4 diving housing because Gopro just cannot manage and do anyghing with this sensor. Thanks and keep it going !

    • @voluntarypropaganda
      @voluntarypropaganda 9 місяців тому +1

      “I already bought the DJI action 4 dive housing” didnt DC mention something about not fanboying in the comments?

    • @lamberdt
      @lamberdt 9 місяців тому

      @@voluntarypropaganda yeah but You know this is just from my research I had done already to find which camera will be the best match for my needs. And it was dji. Nothing fanboy about choosing oa4 for cave diving and caving. This Ray comparison just repeated what I already knew or suspected.

    • @moonstriker7350
      @moonstriker7350 Місяць тому +1

      DJi has far better stabilization, but it severely overexposes causing burned out skies.

    • @lamberdt
      @lamberdt Місяць тому

      @@moonstriker7350 yes. It seems that for the sky and bright places the gopro 12 wins with sharpness of it.

  • @ricarmig
    @ricarmig 9 місяців тому +2

    The DJI makes the same error as on my pocket 2: on day light it's 2/3 higher exposure as it should! DC rainmaker, can you compare both but the dji exposure -0,7 to match thegopro

  • @Cake...
    @Cake... 9 місяців тому +8

    Rainmaker's comparison videos are amongst the best. Quality stuff.

  • @marioplus321
    @marioplus321 9 місяців тому

    What was the MAX ISO on GOPRO/DJI set? Is it not better to switch off hypersmooth and turn to regular stabilisation on GP in such a case as night shooting?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому

      Max ISO set to factory defaults on both. Turning off Hypersmooth doesn’t typically gain you much except an unusable image. If tripod, it’d be fine.

    • @marioplus321
      @marioplus321 9 місяців тому

      @@Dcrainmaker thx for a quick reply,mate🤜🤛

  • @kickasshole
    @kickasshole 9 місяців тому +5

    Maybe you can try activate the HDR on gopro when low light. I saw the result quite good in low light.

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +9

      I found it’s good for sunset, but after that it didn’t matter.

  • @eternoprata6338
    @eternoprata6338 2 місяці тому

    you use gimbal? or basic hand selfie stick ?

  • @vadimnechaev
    @vadimnechaev 9 місяців тому +5

    Could you please try reducing on Action 4 by -0.6 or -1?
    It looks like it's overbrithen by default and can be much interesting tuned.

    • @dannytaylor2676
      @dannytaylor2676 9 місяців тому +2

      I thought the same, EV was slightly too high. There was more detail in the sky on the Gopro shot than the DJI.

    • @rudydoyle
      @rudydoyle 9 місяців тому

      I think he overexposed the action 4 on purpose, this guy is a gopro fanaboy

  • @fabio_mussi
    @fabio_mussi 9 місяців тому

    @Dcrainmaker : maybe a 'night lens' could help gopro with that poor night quality or it would be a waste of money?

  • @isaacstone7899
    @isaacstone7899 9 місяців тому +7

    Both are good,
    GoPro 12 is awesome details in sunset.
    DJI 4 good at low light, but over exposure in light spots and sunset sky.

    • @Daetarg
      @Daetarg 3 місяці тому +1

      Needs a filter for the magic hour

  • @Kiroshi_YT
    @Kiroshi_YT 9 місяців тому +3

    This is a pretty cool comparison so I guess one thing I’d like to know is which one gives you the most “true to life” in terms of color accuracy in these scenarios?

  • @steelorse
    @steelorse 9 місяців тому +4

    After doing many tests, the provided GoPro settings are not good. The 5.3K, strangely, makes the image less appealing and introduces more grain; 4K is the top choice. Then in the settings, you should set the maximum ISO to 400 and MOST IMPORTANTLY, for color management, never leave it on "natural" but always choose "flat". It's amazing how much more detail you get, better shadows, and an overall better image compared to "natural", which generally ruins the image, regardless of conditions but ESPECIALLY in the dark. It's a game changer! In short, the best settings for a GoPro are 4K30, 400 ISO MAX, Flat colors, and stabilization at the minimum (not turned off, but at the lowest setting). This way, you save on battery and avoid motion blur in low light conditions! With these settings, the GoPro becomes an entirely different camera.

    • @marcoroams
      @marcoroams 6 місяців тому

      Very interested to try this my friend 😎

  • @christiannikodemus
    @christiannikodemus 9 місяців тому +7

    I find the stabilization for the GoPro is better but the brightness is much better on the DJI, also the DJI has less of a warp, I'm not sure if that's because the GoPro uses a wider focal length, or if there's some corrective component going on with the DJI but the DJI looks so much better and not like a fish eye lens

  • @scstudios8
    @scstudios8 9 місяців тому +2

    I think this is all down to the low light option. Gopro is basically 1 stop too dark at night. If gopro has a way to set it to some low light option, that may be the difference. It looks like dji has that low light option, which I assume all it does is bump the ev up 1 stop when light levels drop to a certain point. It really looks like that works well.

    • @cleggycyclist
      @cleggycyclist 9 місяців тому +1

      GoPro give you the option in the settings to change how it exposes. So give it +1 at night to let more light in (and grain/noise) or give it -1 in bright sun to darken the image.

  • @tayfuncoskun3051
    @tayfuncoskun3051 8 місяців тому

    Hello, I have an Osmo Action 4 device... I cannot activate the low light image improvement in the video section... It is always disabled, that is, it is off. What is the reason? How can I fix it?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 8 місяців тому

      It means you've got the frame right higher than 30FPS. It only works at 30FPS or less.

  • @WayeOfLife
    @WayeOfLife 9 місяців тому

    interesting.. really neither will work for me during the winter months.. i will still need to change my insta content between summer (action shots) and winter (static longer exposure photos)

  • @maxmustermann1381
    @maxmustermann1381 9 місяців тому

    I am trying do decide on a diving camera. Is diving at 60ft/18m considered a “low light” situation?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому

      It depends a bit of viz and weather conditions - e.g. sunny or dark/overcast. In most cases, 60ft/18m during a daytime dive in reasonably clear waters, such as tropical locales, will be more than fine. Whereas if you're diving in the Pacific Northwest/North Atlantic in the winter, it likely will be pretty dark.

  • @GruidKrane
    @GruidKrane 6 днів тому

    were you shooting in log on the gopro? makes a huge difference in low light scenarios

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 6 днів тому

      No log. There comes a point where basically you're getting well beyond what the average user will do.

  • @cleggycyclist
    @cleggycyclist 9 місяців тому +4

    Is this straight out of the box exposure settings? The DJI is at least one stop brighter in exposure, it's like DJI made the decision that highlights do not matter lets blow them out to show more in the shadows. GoPro has taken the opposite approach conserving more detail in the highlights and allowing you to pull the exposure up in post if you want to. On the shaded, daylight, forest trail the GoPro footage was so much better.

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +1

      Straight out of box/default settings.

  • @gustavoarbaiza8976
    @gustavoarbaiza8976 Місяць тому

    what shutter speed in osmo 4??

  • @alakeli
    @alakeli 9 місяців тому

    excellent job

  • @noelcoatesphoto
    @noelcoatesphoto 9 місяців тому

    The DJI seems over exposed during the day and looks like some highlights could be lost. The GoPro has more dynamic range as its not over exposed during the day and you can bump the shadows up. Could you not set the both to 4k? And exposure compensate to get a near match on both as it seems the DJI is always over exposed?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому

      Both were shot at 4K?

  • @unlockpuertorico
    @unlockpuertorico 2 місяці тому

    With the Action 4, if I'm going from outside light up place and then into a darker indoor place, does the cam turns on the "Low Light" feature automatically or it needs to be turned on manually?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 2 місяці тому

      No, it's manual.

    • @unlockpuertorico
      @unlockpuertorico 2 місяці тому

      @@Dcrainmaker uff good thing I asked then, this helped me pick finally. Thanks for the review and the quick answer, really appreciated!

  • @nirvana4698
    @nirvana4698 9 місяців тому +1

    Have you tried increasing the ISO on gorpro 12? Does that help in low light? Yes, there might be some noise in the footage but it can be easily eliminated in post..

  • @skdhrhd
    @skdhrhd 9 місяців тому

    Or my god. This video is super awesome. Thanks a lot

  • @from_aer_to_everywhere
    @from_aer_to_everywhere Місяць тому

    Wow, now I'd like the first one.

  • @cygwins
    @cygwins 3 місяці тому

    So on default settings, each action cam has Its strongest aspect.
    I believe each camera has manual settings so that it will excel on each condition (day or night) which not all people may understand (ISO, shutter speed, aperture, etc)

  • @sutv6754
    @sutv6754 9 місяців тому

    Hands down the DJI is better in low light but when you had the low light engaged I did not like the boost or what ever you would call it. It look to me like iso was raised is all. I've had every gopro and now the 11. I'm gonna wait for the DJI 5. We'll see. Great job.

  • @ChrisTreleaven
    @ChrisTreleaven 9 місяців тому +9

    Great comparison! 👍🏼
    Personally I think the GoPro looks better during the day, had nice vivid colours. Also was better at showing fine details... But as soon as the sun went down, it was obvious DJI was much better in low light situations. Also the image stabilisation looked better on the DJI.
    I guess what one to buy comes down to what you’re doing with it. Both seem great, but choose wisely. 📷

    • @dadlife8289
      @dadlife8289 8 місяців тому +1

      Those colors are artificial. GoPro makes my local trails appear to have orange dirt, but in real life it's not orange at all

  • @ForTheForsaken
    @ForTheForsaken 9 місяців тому

    May I ask how the fps would affect the amount of light let into the camera?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +1

      In DJI’s case specifically, their low light algorithm only works for 30FPS or less, meaning its processor limited.

    • @ForTheForsaken
      @ForTheForsaken 9 місяців тому

      @@Dcrainmaker That's a strange connection they have made between the two but that explains it, thank you.

  • @gordon3988
    @gordon3988 9 місяців тому

    Back to that ‘I don’t care what you buy, buy a potato if you want to’ more camera reviewers should adopt that approach! I think Chris-jd3gd’ comment above pretty much nailed it…thought I would add GP ‘light trails etc’ and OA4’s great functionality. We rarely do any night video, but do a lot of videos in forest settings so OA4 may have an edge there as light usually low. Choose and get out there!

  • @SirCrashaLot
    @SirCrashaLot 9 місяців тому +2

    DJI always looks bit overexposed in the day, but so much better in low light, tough choice now. I guess both?

  • @EverythingIsPhotogenic
    @EverythingIsPhotogenic 9 місяців тому +4

    Hit the like button for the algorithm, people!
    Ray has put a lot of work into showing us all a very important comparison in low light:
    GoPro: Crap
    DJI: Brighter crap
    iPhone: Even brighter crap
    Fanboys discuss! 😂
    I'll fangirl for Ray, he's the real winner here 😉

  • @miguelrosete2834
    @miguelrosete2834 9 місяців тому

    Cool Amsterdam ride, but you missed De Wallen , ( Just for check cameras low light performance )

  • @masteroutlier
    @masteroutlier 29 днів тому

    3:07 to 3:12
    what is that?! why is the grass moving on the gopro capture?

  • @Bokooda
    @Bokooda 9 місяців тому +5

    DJI's overexposure during daylight can be pulled back by tweaking the default EV/shutter speed settings down and then set to 'normal' for twilight into night time. There's nothing on the GoPro to give you that extra 45mins - hour of filming before you have to get your phone out. (Up to a point), I'd rather have some jitters in the shot than not being able to see peoples faces. Looks like too much fall off in the overall image on the GoPro when it starts to get dark. These are amazing cameras, but it will be a few more years before I can take only one camera out for my bikepacking travel videos. Thanks taking the time to show the average user what happens to both these cameras when evening falls. 👍

  • @wilddude7777
    @wilddude7777 9 місяців тому +4

    Another great video around Amsterdam including a few of my favorite spots! Based on this it sounds like I’ll have to get two cameras! GoPro Hero 12 for daytime and DJI Action 4 for night time as I love those dusk night time clips! Hopefully this gets GoPro to take some action for improvements. Have they responded or are there settings to help improve their outcomes as the GoPro seemed almost unusable. See you on the cycle path!

  • @StuartEdge1
    @StuartEdge1 9 місяців тому +1

    The tour of Amsterdam was awesome! Really nice looking city.
    Cameras not so much.
    10/10 for the tour guide 😂

  • @WildGingerRunning
    @WildGingerRunning 7 місяців тому

    Amazing review as always! I have an ultra with 6hrs darkness coming up and I already have a tonne of GoPro accessories and batteries so not over keen to switch, am thinking of clipping a light to the GoPro! Have you ever tested that out? It will be full darkness not just low light. Thanks! Claire

  • @taylorhead9842
    @taylorhead9842 9 місяців тому

    You asked the companies for their "Low light" settings and said DJI says no rocksteady + then the first clip you show RS+? When RS+ is on it turns off the low light image enhancement, but if you use EIS Priority setting in low light ON if you prefer to have stabilization over a brighter cleaner image when in lower light. When you turn it on it even says it will remove motion blur. You'll tend to get a darker image like the go pro is when you're in lower light, but when you're in actual lower light the opposite effect happens when the go pro has the jitters and action4 has brightness and stability like in clips: 8:40, 8:51, 12:56. The easiest comparison to make is just try to use both cameras in doors.

  • @RogerClubv
    @RogerClubv 9 місяців тому

    There have been numerous comparison reviews on UA-cam pitting the DJI Osmo Action 4 against the GoPro Hero 12, and it can be overwhelming. In a nutshell, GoPro's competitors, especially the DJI Osmo Action 4, have caught up, if not surpassed GoPro. The Osmo Action 4 boasts a larger sensor, which translates to better performance in low-light conditions.
    I currently own a GoPro Hero 10, which has gained notoriety for camera freezes, overheating, and subpar battery life. However, it appears that GoPro has addressed these issues in its 12th edition. At a price point of $299 (due to my subscription), including two Enduro batteries, the GoPro Hero 12 seems like a worthwhile investment to explore. Also, I have the media mod, so I wouldn't need to pick up any more accessories.

  • @ricardolourizela5961
    @ricardolourizela5961 9 місяців тому +10

    If you use the correct settings for low light shooting - 24fps with 1/48th shutter speed (180 degree rule), their respective log / flat modes and then you correctly color graded the footage the results would be significantly better. If you really asked both brands what the best settings for low light were and if they really answered 30fps non-log/flat modes their representatives either have no clue what they're talking about or they were fooking with you.

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +6

      I always find comments like this funny, because it’s someone who thinks they’re smart, but actually doesn’t know what they’re talking about. If you did, then you’d know that you can’t actually enable LOG mode in conjunction with DJI’s low light mode. If you actually wanted more flexibility to grade, you’d also increase bit-depth, but even GoPro’s top engineer clearly stated in a conference call that doing so isn’t going to change the light properties of the camera in low light conditions meaningfully.
      Likewise, color grading any footage will make it appear better, but it’s still crap in, crap out. All you’re effectively doing is brightening an image at that point, which can help, but isn’t any different than cranking the ISO and watching either stabilization reduce or noise increase.

    • @ricardolourizela5961
      @ricardolourizela5961 9 місяців тому +9

      ​​​@@DcrainmakerI always find comments like this funny, because it's always a clueless UA-camr arguing with a professional filmmaker and thinking they know better. It makes for some funny reading, but it gets old.
      Keeping this simple, so you can follow, the way to improve low light IQ is to always record in as low an fps as you possibly can. If you have the option of recording at 24fps, you do it. You're recording at 30fps, so you're already doing it wrong.
      If your focus is to maximize IQ, you do not record in a preset low light mode - the only thing that does is to apply an aggressive in-camera noise reduction algorithm, which obviously destroys the footage. The solution is to record in a mode that preserves as much detail as possible (log or flat), with NR as low as possible, and then apply a proper NR algorithm in Resolve Studio. The preset low light mode is there to make things faster, not better - if your focus is IQ, that is never the way to go.
      Finally, the reason you always color grade (from a log / flat profile) is to avoid the unnaturally warm and oversaturated colors these action cameras usually go for - 80% of your footage looks awful.
      Again, all from a professional filmmaker point of view - for an amateur YT video this is probably good enough.

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +6

      @@ricardolourizela5961 "If your focus is to maximize IQ, you do not record in a preset low light mode - the only thing that does is to apply an aggressive in-camera noise reduction algorithm, which obviously destroys the footage." - The problem is, that's factually untrue. Go try it. Don't record in the low-light mode and see how bad it is. Because it's not just about light, it's about stabilization. That's the thing you're missing in this entire picture. On an action camera there are far higher levels of stabilization algorithms occurring, and those algorithms account for the exact movement of the camera. When you go to DLOG mod on the Action 4, those algorithms are significantly reduced. So sure, you get a flatter picture that you can pretend to pull more light out of, but you're left with mush for an image. Everything you said is perfectly fine for a normal camera, but not an action camera, and frankly, not most cameras in 2023 with far greater degrees of computational photography happening.

  • @nerucheung
    @nerucheung 8 місяців тому

    I feel like the gopro is a better straight out of the box run and gun camera, while the Action 4 is similar but gives you the best quality when you use D-log and do some post processing

  • @Bellaire_Isaac
    @Bellaire_Isaac 9 місяців тому +3

    What I noticed across the board was just 2 simple things that can have a pretty big effect.
    1. GoPro exposes better for highlights (crushes shadows), DJI exposes better for shadows (blows out highlights).
    2. GoPro has a warmer image, DJI has a cooler image (GoPro looks better to me in general but the DJI is probably more accurate)
    Also, HDR on the GoPro does give a pretty good low light boost to the image. It removes shadow grain and adds back it detail. Improves stabilization. Works along lit streets at night (I have no clue about other scenarios) But if you have some light across the image the HDR will make everything look better.

  • @ngocdominh4794
    @ngocdominh4794 9 місяців тому

    Why does the ground from 3:14 to 3:16 look so weird in GoPro. It looks like the ground floating and springy moved compared to other objects around

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому

      If you listen for that rattle at that same moment, that's stuff in the bike rattling around, which is a sign there's some tree roots disrupting the path and causing vibrations. For whatever reason, they handled it diffrently.

  • @njkrohde
    @njkrohde 9 місяців тому +1

    Both are excellent cameras, Dji better at night (I didn't understand why the GoPro moved so much if my Hero10 doesn't move like that at night) in Mexico GoPro is cheaper than Osmo, with the addition that I can have several enduro batteries ( generic) on the other hand, in the Osmo the batteries must be original (70-90€), the compatibility of low-cost accessories of the GoPro and the plus of the wireless audio I think gives points in favor of Gopro. matter of taste. They are very similar cameras, each with its unique qualities. In the end it is better to make good content with a lower quality camera than bad content with an excellent quality camera. Greetings, I like your channel. I'm your fan

  • @edselharrison
    @edselharrison 9 місяців тому

    GoPro's HD has done a good job at reducing blown out highlights, but a poor job in raising the brighness on the shadows. Seems like they've only help solve half of the HD equation.

  • @TDCIYB77
    @TDCIYB77 9 місяців тому +6

    Panasonic should do a M43 action cam, now that they have PDAF. Maybe even work with DJI, as they are both in the L-Mount Alliance.. That would be a killer!

  • @JourneyonWheels1989
    @JourneyonWheels1989 9 місяців тому

    Which city your shooting this video 🎥?

    • @roel-video
      @roel-video 9 місяців тому +1

      Amsterdam 🇳🇱

  • @skypowergb3842
    @skypowergb3842 4 місяці тому

    i wonder what some photos of milky way look like 30s exposure , max iso. while dji may capture more light it may not be that high quality

  • @savrenx8256
    @savrenx8256 23 дні тому

    I want buy action camera and this video helped me alot. Seems I like DJI more than gopro. Less editing and that DJI video directly useable without brightness or shadow correction. GoPro very good for cinematic color though.

  • @mpro2917
    @mpro2917 3 місяці тому

    outch, i cant watch the right side of the screen.. the image looks over motion blured and shaky.. it gives ne headache.. the color if the GP12 is better than the OA3.. But in general the OA3 is better to watch.. more details and also the motion blur dont make it to "washy".. the light porblem is known and ok, compared to the other thing i am happy i bought the OA3 :)

  • @tgchan
    @tgchan 5 місяців тому

    I wish Action4 had gopro colours lol. Thank you for the video/

  • @SuPerDuPerKorean2
    @SuPerDuPerKorean2 9 місяців тому

    Just wanted to say, I LOVE your country, i was exchange student and loved Netherlands!

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому

      Thanks! Amsterdam is pretty cool indeed!

  • @shepshape2585
    @shepshape2585 9 місяців тому +4

    I'm the Boomer who's still using his GoPro Hero 4 Black and I'm quite content with the footage I get. I also love my DJI Air 2s drone. I tend to find that chasing the latest technology is expensive and you're better off waiting. Buying a model that's 3, 4, 5 models back saves you quite a bit of money, and in most cases, you're not sacrificing too many options. I mean, if you're making videos as a top UA-camr or you have some other kind of business where the extra bit of crispness is worth the money because your clients are paying you good money, then by all means, have at it. But if you're just shooting video for your own use, does this year's model really stand out over last year's model? Or the model from three years ago?

  • @LactoseTolerant50
    @LactoseTolerant50 Місяць тому

    If you want a night camera, I suggest the insta360 ace pro, insane difference

  • @trevorwild195
    @trevorwild195 9 місяців тому

    How come the stabilisation on your GoPro 12 is worst than my GoPro 9? Must be the setting...

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker 9 місяців тому +1

      I promise if you shoot in low light like this, your GoPro Hero 9 is far worse. If you shoot in higher light conditions, it'll easily look better.

  • @vivienrajz798
    @vivienrajz798 9 місяців тому +1

    Interesting. GoPro has a better balance between shadows and highlights in expense of night capability, while sems DJI is overexposing to gain details, but burn our highlights. From color balance GoPro wins, but for night details DJI. Wiuld be courious about single images...

  • @theaprum1
    @theaprum1 8 місяців тому +1

    That's an incredible side by side comparison. I've never even heard of DJI but it's really impressive.

  • @eden4949
    @eden4949 4 місяці тому

    These look so much better than what I've been able to get on my insta360 one rs, that one was so griany it's not usable at all

  • @aticonn
    @aticonn 9 місяців тому +1

    To me it simply looks like the DJI is brighter at the base settings, it blows out the highlights when you have a brighter portion of the image so that seems to me to confirm it does not have better dynamic range. So if you want equivalent exposure on the GoPro just adjust the EV and you can get the same “Brightness” in low light and blow out any highlights like the DJI. Just my opinion. That last scene look at his tennis shoe it’s totally blow out on the DJI.

    • @timk8258
      @timk8258 9 місяців тому +1

      Yes but even with the lower overall exposure the GoPro footage is noisier, had less detail and worse stabilization (in the night shots). So it’s going to look even worse if you push the EV up another stop or more.

  • @williamaungleyraud
    @williamaungleyraud 9 місяців тому +1

    I like how the DJI handles light, but I prefer how the GoPro handles color. I wonder if the DJI has different color profiles or log footage.

    • @lamberdt
      @lamberdt 9 місяців тому

      Of course, it does have D log option for later coloring in post.

    • @williamaungleyraud
      @williamaungleyraud 9 місяців тому

      @@lamberdt I've never owned one neither I have looked too deep into it hence why I wondered. I'm glad it has log thought, that could balance out how this camera handle color by grading in post. 😎👍👍

    • @lamberdt
      @lamberdt 9 місяців тому +1

      @@williamaungleyraud it has log and gyro data saved so much can be done in post.

    • @williamaungleyraud
      @williamaungleyraud 9 місяців тому

      @@lamberdt that's nice, what program do you use to stabilize in post with the gyro data?

    • @lamberdt
      @lamberdt 9 місяців тому +1

      @@williamaungleyraud after I flooded and lost my gp11 in the sea I was waiting for gp12 to come out and figure out what would be best. So i read much and watched many videos about dji action and gopro... But free software used by drone footage is for example 'gyro flow'. This data wasn't recorded in action 3.

  • @tufftuffrugz5330
    @tufftuffrugz5330 3 місяці тому

    I like gopro colors more in the low light. Also I think your default settings werent correct. DJI should have just a RockSteady without low light option on.

  • @ironworkscrawley
    @ironworkscrawley 9 місяців тому +1

    Theoretically the action 4 should win hands down in a low light test because of physicals. both as far as i can tell have the same focal ratio or F/ stop, so no advantage there. The A4 has a larger sensor so collects more light, but the GP12 has a higher pixel count which is actually worse because What is important is the actual individual pixel size. less pixels in a larger sensor means more light collection, simply because the pixels are larger..... But perhaps the last bit that never gets mentioned is quantum efficiency, something anyone that does astro photography will know about. In short each new generation of sensor gets more efficient at detecting photons. This might not be in play here, but if we assume gp12 is the same sensor as the gp11, its a 2 year old sensor, if the sensor in the A4 is a new sensor then it is one generation advanced so better at detecting light. not sure that in an action cam it would make a vast difference but in astro cams, it can be the difference between a tiny faint star not showing in an image and it showing

  • @alexei98700
    @alexei98700 4 місяці тому

    Go pro 12 is my first action camera. I had her for two weeks. During this time I tried all possible options. But I couldn’t get it to shoot at least satisfactorily in low light conditions, without a stabilizer. The whole problem is that to avoid blurring while moving, you must set the shutter speed to 250 or higher. This makes the video very dark. You should use ISO 3200-6400 in this mode. This adds a lot of noise. And still the picture remains dark. I also tried to fix this in post-processing, but the result was unsatisfactory. I tried shooting without stabilization and then using gyroflow to stabilize it. Filmed in hdr and gp-log. I installed the labs firmware and played with different settings there. Nothing helped. I'm tired of the fact that my $100 phone takes better pictures in the evening. Today I sold the camera. In a nutshell, owning it can be described as I love it and I hate it. She is beautiful during the day. And in the evening it's just a nightmare

  • @Moscow4K
    @Moscow4K 7 місяців тому

    Для ночной съемки на рынке камер есть девайсы стоимостью 30.000+++ euro, и то изображение у них не на много лучше. Так что вполне можно довольствоваться тем, что есть + настроить хороший постпродакшен. Будет приемлемо) И кстати: в ночном режиме рекомендуют отключить все режимы стабилизации в камере, и использовать карданный подвес. Это уменьшит тряску картинки и намного ее улучшит. Так же советуют выставить низкий уровень резкости. Буду пробовать) Автору - благодарность за видео!

  • @RONNYPLAYS
    @RONNYPLAYS 3 місяці тому

    Nice. Go pro hero 12 is more sharper and natural video, although slightly darker in night mood, but natural yellow light yet. Thanks A great comparison. Relatively Go Pro Hero is cheap as well.

  • @kiyotoishii4833
    @kiyotoishii4833 9 місяців тому +6

    Both cameras are great. GoPro seems to have more detail quality even-though under low light condition but stabilisation isn't great after the sunset. Action 4 is much brighter and better stability under low light condition (minus detail quality). It's great to have both cameras.

    • @MrWiseinheart
      @MrWiseinheart 9 місяців тому

      Yeah basically if you can afford it Go pro 12 for the day and the Action "4" the night

  • @Coolcmsc
    @Coolcmsc 9 місяців тому

    I like Amsterdam, well the part we see. I’ve never been there. During the day, I’d use the GoPro 12 on my bike and the DJ4 at night on my bike. Off my bike, I’d use the iPhone 12 I have. I don’t have an action cam: can’t afford it and pay for my bike and my trips away to ride off road which always includes dense woodland tracks. But if I did, I’d buy the version of a GoPro that I could afford. Probably a second hand 10 with new batteries if I could find them.

  • @UcuFendi
    @UcuFendi 7 місяців тому

    Dji kelihatan lebih unggul dalam suasana gelap. Terimakasih 🤝🙏🏻