That’s correct. It is the best handeling live axle muscle car ever made. That’s coming straight from professional race car driver Billy Johnson. I also might add that this is THE LAST TRUE OLD SCHOOL MUSCLE CAR EVER MADE ! In 2015 Mustang went to the IRS and in 2014 obviously the GT 500 has a blower on it as they all do, so that rules them out as a true muscle car.
@“ The Lemonade 🍋 Man “ why would having a blower rule the gt500 out of being a muscle car? The 5.4 and 5.8 gt500s have the same long stroke so the engines are torque happy to begin with and with the blower on top their bottom end torque monsters and they have a more old school muscle car sound. They're definitely the definition of a muscle car and more geared towards straight line stuff. The boss is an all motor high rpm screamer that handles amazing and is also amazing in a different way. I have an 07 gt500 with a gen3r and I am planning to purchase a boss to park beside it in the future as I love both cars but both cars being v8s with manuals and solid axles they both are definitely muscle cars that do what they do different but are both great.
@@midnight347 In the sense that a Boss 302 Mustang 2012/2013 is more authentic to what the original muscle cars were about, all engine man. At a certain point you have to make a distinction a cut off line if u will. I’ll give you an example. The same way you can’t really compare a Corvette with a Mustang or Camaro. At some point there is a line you cross over that you have to create a separate class of designation. I’m not the only person that agrees with this sentiment. You have your opinion, and if it works for your mind, that’s all you should care about right ?
I was in the market for this, or a newer GT350. The GT350 doesn't feel faster in a straight line. The Boss is every bit as much fun and really does have a special feel to it. I like the seating position better and the exhaust note might still be the best of any mustang ever produced. I've owned 6 mustangs and many other fun cars including a Porsche Cayman S. This car provides the most smiles per gallon.
I've owned many sports cars in the past few two decades and my 2013 Boss 302 was one of my favorite vehicles that I've ever owned. Perhaps I'll buy another one in a few years.
Mine is a 2013 Lugna with 7K on the clock and I'll never sell it, going to the grave with the registration still in my name! So much fun to drive, so raw, great feedback and the exhaust note at 7 grand.... Yea MT 82 sucks, but a replacement MGW shifter and the Amsoil mix of 2 qts 75-90 and 1 Qt syncromesh make life OK. Really needs a clutch that will release cleanly at 7K to fix the mess. I have a 2022 Mach 1 and a 2012 GT 500 in the stable also, but tonight I had to decide which one was going to Pottstown Saturday night show with me and I jumped in the Boss. Every time I run down the road in it I have a smile ear to ear! It really is the best of the S197 Mustangs, Thank you Dave Pericak and your team for the effort you guys put into this car to get it right.
Thanks for sharing and yes from what I understand the clutch is the issue. I had lockout 50% of time over 7000 RPM. It was frustrating to say the least. Other than that I loved the car.
I was cross shopping 12/13 boss and 11/12 gt500. Went with a 12 boss and haven't looked back one bit. The car is just so good. I put a maxiumn motorsport suspension kit on it and doing some minor mods but thats it. These cars just have so much character to them, it never gets old driving/racing it. You can't go wrong with these cars
@Miko R. I haven't had any issues with my 2012. It's been a great car and I'm happy I went with it over the shelby. Not a car show guy, but occasionally jump in one. And when you see 20 shelbys and maybe 1 boss in the whole show. It validates my decision even more. The only knock I have on the car is the interior, it's a little plain inside. Especially compared to the shelby. But I really dont mind. When your full throttle down a straight away and those side exhausts are opened up, thats all I need. I will say that a clutch upgrade on these cars is worth the money. Really any mustang with the mt82 needs a different clutch. As far as motor wise, the road runner has been established to take a massive amount of power in stock form. It's built stronger then the shelby. If boost is what you want, throw a paxton on it with a fuel system and tune and go dust shelbys up with no issues
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks for feedback. I heard Boss's have tranny issues. Haven't dug too deep into the issue but did you have to remedy the situation?
The Boss 302 is a special Mustang and it’s desirability will continue to grow. I own 2012 LS 0046 since 2014. Most don’t know but the first 50 Boss LSs have vin #s that match the LS#. A little collector Easter egg.
The Blowfish bracket, bushing, and stainless steel braided clutch line completely eliminated my high rpm lockout on my 2012 GT. Hydroplaned getting on the highway and totaled it…. Looking to buy a boss 302 now
That was fun. Thanks. Found a MidWest 12 in Performance White with 6300 miles. Two-owner car. Showroom condition. Had the cover/key fob and kit. Broought home right before a snowstorm on 12/31. Your video helps with the hibernation...The engine is a visual and aural work of art. The radio? Not so much. Replaced with a Dynavin Bluetooth/Car Play 9" screen that retains the OEM buttons and steering wheel controls. Replaced all bulbs with LED. Way brighter now interior/trunk and headlights/turn signals. I am not a fan of the "jacked" stance. I ordered Ford Performance Springs to even the stance. These springs, in my opinion, should also have been a no cost option on Boss. I bought a 12 Porsche GTS that is also a white with black polished aluminum trim on outside. Both are six speed and 400+ HP. Boss is more functional as a daily go getter. The appreciation on P-Cars since I purchased makes daily driving not practical. Both are two-year limited edition cars that, I believe, will appreciate while enjoyed. Sound at 6000+RPM in both is magic. The analogish nature of both 12's is a really good balance. I like "junk in the trunk" vs. "junk in the frunk"...LOL. Subscribed.
I wish I would have bought this car when it came out. But I am at least happy I have a 2012 Mustang. I will keep my Mustang forever. My can may not perform as well but looks just as nice.
#2352 here, 2013 SBY, i cant see how one can get better feelings and fun in newer cars (automatic trans, all driver aids, small engine with or w/out turbos,…) . Did the clutch (Exedy), Barton shifter, Trackey, Airaid intake, Dynavin radio. This thing is sooooo fun, and surprisingly comfortable.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs yeah , i could not shift higher than 6000rpm, it would lockout and the clutch pedal would stick to the floor. I can now shift at redline all day.
@@Bebopin-69 I know the feeling my 2013 Boss wouldn't lock out until hit 7K and it didn't happen all the time but it was frustrating as hell when it did.
Hey, that was a great video on the Boss 302! Just wanted to give you props on a well put together video. I own a 2013 Boss with the Torson LSD. I absolutely love my car. I have a Whiteline watts link and it is really planted especially in the twisties.
I know all to well how they handle. I owned a 2013 for the better part of 9 years and drove it 40k miles summer only events and tracks. They are quite awesome! Thanks for watching!
If you have your third bay built . I have 2012 Kona blue white stripes. Recaro seats , special Torsten diff. Amazing under 800 miles . Garage kept never wet. It deserves a special home .
Love the review about the boss, full of information. Would like if you do a review about the 2013, 2014 trackpack mustangs. I own one and I think it be great to do a comparison with a track pack and a boss of the same year.
Thank you for the kind words. I am getting a lot of requests which isn't a bad problem to have. I want to do an Special Edition video at some point. The "Track Pack " cars should be included. They are not a special edition however there's enough there to separate them from the common GT.
I have twins, too! Grabber Orange ‘70 and School Bus Yellow ‘13. My dad has the red ‘12. My son has the red powerwheels. Yes. They made a powerwheels Boss 302.
Great video, thanks. I have Boss #2933 and haven't had lock-out with the red key activated, but did experience it with the silver key. Coincidence? It has my vote for best ever.
Thank you for the kind words! I only experienced lock out above 7,000 RPM. I have heard from others that the clutch is the issue but I can't say that for sure as I never replaced mine.
I have loved these cars since the day they came out. Now that I’m older and can afford one, I’m looking to get myself a lower mile Boss 302 that I can daily and enjoy. Any tips or things to look out for?
No not really. The biggest issue with these cars is the clutch if that has been replaced you are golden. You may want to make sure whatever you are looking at hasn't been an accident. These are pretty solid cars.
I have a 2012 Competition Orange Boss 302. Awesome car, but has 113k miles which makes it undesirable to most. Going to see how many miles she will go.
If it's a forever car the mileage don't matter just take care of it and enjoy it. That is what they're for. My 07 gt500 is at 750 wheel w a gen3r it's got 132k I use it as a badge of honor lol. I'm buying a boss that has 55k on it it won't be my full time daily but I'm gonna enjoy it as much as I can and even daily it sometimes. Amazing cars.
I know the rarity just went up, a salvage yard I've used just got two of these in wrecked, one is white and the other is yellow. I'm hoping to get the exhaust system off one of them. They will sell engine and transmission as a package deal with the computer.
Had an ultra rare 2011 "track pack" Gt was really mad at ford because I would have waited for Boss My biggest complaint difference between both cars was cloth vs leather & crappy stereo. Even in 69 & 70 you could get better interior!
Your video notes you owned a Boss 302 for 8 years. What’s your advice in looking at buying one? I’m thinking of talking to a local Ford dealer that has a 2012 Boss 302 with 56k miles. Has Torsen diff, Recaro seats, lived in Alberta SK first 4 years then Washington state since 2016. Clutch replacement at 36k miles. I guess my fears are that it would be a car that’s probably not suited to just drive it, and if did daily drive it from looking on the forums I can expect a clutch assembly incl flywheel and a possible/probable transmission failure of the 2nd 3rd gears. The other car I’m looking at is a 2022 mustang that gets lots of sneering but really does hold its own versus others Mustangs in the twisting mountain roads near where I live.
A Boss 302 is one of the best S197's ever made that said the S550 is a better handling more relaxed platform. The Boss is more raw experience, and handling at the edge require throttle input to scoot it around corners. That can be fun at times and and a bit unsettling at other times (bumps in the surface). Also you will have to pay a premium to buy one because of the limited number produced. The weak point is the clutch and the transmission. I only had issues over 7,000 RPM and only occasionally. If you are are going to daily a car I would recommend the 2022. It's easier to live with on a daily basis and you most likely have some warranty remaining on the car if there are any issues undisclosed. Best of luck.
No way I'm taking a 22 over a boss. Boss is way more unique and fun and will hold its value far better. Boss is more raw and just as quick especially manual vs manual.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I drove the 70 Boss and remember back then it was like a rocket ship on rails….acceleration was so brisk and smooth…downright exciting. I bought a 13 LaGunaSeca Boss 302 in school bus chrome. The acceleration was like a race car…..very brisk. I raced a variety of Fords and Chrysler’s over the years. I think Ford did a fine job with this. Last week I bought another one in red Regular Boss302. If I live another 10 years I’ll buy a GT 350R and finish my 69 Mustang Drag car. I hope!!
Thanks for watching & I plan to do a separate video on a Laguna Seca when I can track one down. The biggest noticeable difference is a special color schemes (I am no a fan of either in 2012) the missing rear seat and added X Brace (to further stiffen the car), and the revised suspension tuning with unique spring and damper rates, and a larger rear stabilizer bar. Much lower production numbers for both years. Right around 700 per year.
I can say from personal experience they are very close. The Boss is a bit more raw less refined as the solid rear axle tends to skip out on bumps in the corners and mach has no such tendencies. Thanks for watching!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs my thought exactly! I test drove a 12, but they wanted high 20k with 20kish miles, but for 2016, it was a high price. Now I’d snag it up lol. I loved it, just didn’t dig the blue color. A buddy had an orange one with forgestar rims and I was super jealous, and I had an 11 GT500 too lol.
You forgot to mention the Team Shelby raced the 69 Boss 302. Carroll Shelby is the guy who helped Ford win the 24 hours of Le Mans over Ferrari. This is the ultimate guy who helped ford win races back in the day. In 2012 Shelby again had a hand in giving his approval on Fords Boss 302 program. Bud Moore was a pain in Shelby’s ass to be honest. Not even in the same league as Shelby.
There's more to a boss than just the manifold. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yea you can modify a gt to make similar power to a stock boss. Same mods on the boss it wins it has ported heads and better cams factory as well as the better manifold. It's way stronger than a gen 1 also the gen 2 and 3 have the same Rods as boss and same power limit.
@midnight347 yeah but with tune and manifold the hp are the same boss has 440 stock 14 gt 420 it's only 20hp if you talking about oil cooler and bigger radiator fan and other parts yes the boss has which stock gt doesn't but with the right tune and modification you getting some HP........
I’m the original owner of 2012 race red boss 302. I’m trying to decide if should boost her now with a Paxton. Is there more pros than cons when doing that? Anyone with advice?
Personally I wouldn't boost it. The engine can take it but you will have to alter the car and you never get back what you invest. Bosses are holding their value pretty well. To each his own. Thanks for watching!
They do fine when boosted. You can easily make 700+ on 93 with proper supporting mods like headers exhaust etc. I would look into an ess blower if they make those for the boss as they are lighter in weight and make power just as well if not better than any of the other centrifugal style blowers yet cost less.
the boss 302's are pretty good that you had in your video but ya missed the boss 302 LAGUNA SECA twas and still is a step above all the others and how i could tell is your video boss had a back seat the laguna's do not.... also the tail badge was a horse not the track. yes i have black/gray wolf in sheep's clothes. unbelievable with the red key!!!
As you know no engine can handle ANY boost but the Boss motor is stronger than most and great candidate to boost. There are several Boss cars running dual turbos and superchargers. That said they are really holding their value currently in stock form (LS's even more so) and are quite a bit more to purchase used than a GT. Depending on how much boost you are looking at adding you may want to run the numbers on buying a GT roller and picking up a used Boss engine. That could save you $10K+. Best of luck.
I got my Mach 1 with the handling package for $54K ordered it in January 2021 my Boss was S42,500. In the current market would be 60 something but a you can't find a used Boss with decent mileage for less than high 30's they are really holding their value.
@@JC-ew2mn I paid 42,500 for my Boss 302 new in 2013. It's been a weird market for used cars the last 10 months or so but It sounds like you bought an almost new one for a few dollars less. You should thank the previous owner for not enjoying the car. Hopefully you will.
@@Wooley689 Seems like you were correct. They might be into that one at a pretty high price. You really want to find one that was recent trade as the wholesale market is down 15%ish depending on where you live,
Got one in the stable: Trackey cortex watts link & sway bar links boss 302s front susp bushings 1 pc alum drive shaft electric exhaust cut outs gt 500 mufflers rear suspension relocation brkts boss R lower control arm boss s spherical bearing upper rear control arm watson 4 pt roll bar schroth harnesss Ford performance short throw shifter rear seat delete boss s wheels michelin ps4 tires front brake ducts stainless clutch line stop tec brake line with custom supports FP hood supports custom dead pedal boss s grill
@@jasonb.8774 i got a drake brand just for the bracket then made a new plate out of aluminum and covered it with anti slip so its kind of stealthy Tip use fishing line under the door sill tread step it has 2 sided tape holing it down once you get it free then carefully pry it up once its off then the left kick panel needs to come off I like mine it saves the carpet like i say almost cant tell its there Good luck
It is possible and there are few out there with dual turbos pushing at or close to that number. The thing is there's a LOT more that needs done to cars pushing that kind of HP just to get a good launch and the weakest part of of any Boss is the MT82 and it's clutch which isn't built for that kind of HP. I wouldn't want to guess at ET but it is great platform for a striaght line build. Thanks for watching!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs exactly I plan to build it to be able to take that kind of power on the strip however I’m asking your estimated guess on what you think it may run in the quarter mile with that amount of HP given the fact it runs around 12 second quarters stock
@@brinsonswaffield1214 A car with that kind of power, correctly launched, at sea level, with the right tires, track prep, and suspension should be under 10 seconds @ 145 to 150ish. Tracks are going to require a roll cage at those speeds, Circle back around and let me know how it's going and best of luck!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs what do you mean at sea level? And I also wanted to ask you one more question, a few people have said ide have better luck reaching the HP I want on the track/street with a 2016 GT and they said it will probably be cheaper to do so, do you think that may be, or is true?
@@brinsonswaffield1214 The higher altitude the less oxygen there is and the engine needs to work harder to get the same HP. A 900 HP engine in Altana might be 825 in Denver. A boss is a better car to start with because of the forged engine internals. The block is stronger than GT block. It depends on how long or how many runs you want to get out of it. You could do it with GT but it's lifespan will be shorter than a Boss block. Really you would be better off finding a Boss block and dropping it in a GT as far as cost goes.
Honestly it's a decent trans, I have a 2011 v6 and it's not bad but it does feel a little too slushy for my taste kind of like manuals in fwd cars, I'll eventually swap it out for a tremec but the mt82 serves it's purpose pretty well
@@monikhushalpuriit's because it has a remote mount shifter like fwd cars do. An mgw shifter fixes this and makes it feel like a direct mount shifter. This and a clutch and it's golden.
@midnight347 yeah I know, I actually ended up switching out the transmission crossmember for a scotidi race development one, my oem one was cracked in the middle, the scotidi one is waaaaay more stiff and solid, I understand if it sounds weird but the car definitely tightened up and so did the shifting a little bit, this is with stock trans bushing. I'm going to end up coyote swapping it so won't bother with keeping the mt82 ill just go with the tremec in the future
This guy says that the crankshaft and the rods are aluminum, I highly doubt that you may want to edit the video bro I know for a fact the crankshaft is not aluminum and the rods are not aluminum
I owned one for several years and I never went to college. :) I know several people who are far removed from college that drive or own these cars. They have become collectible already and the prices have flattened out in the mid 30'sK to low 40'sk for nice examples.
its funny to me to have the racing seats and normal seat belts. How stupid is that? My boss 2012 has a totally different hood scoop on it. His car looks red? Standard red? I went with the candy apple. the color from 69 i think it was.
The boss 302 somehow gets more impressive with every passing year . The dark horse ia, sadly, ugly. And at 70k it's just not worth it. What the boss is and what it can do is incredible
Boss is about as fast as a dark horse stock and not far behind on turns and its 10x more fun and raw and unique for half the money or less. It's a no Brainer. It's 100x more sexy and it has more potential because it ain't locked down. the s650 Is the biggest disappointment ever.
The 2012/2013 Boss 302 is the best Mustang you can buy for the money right now. It had the most positive press I’ve ever seen for a car.
It had the positive press because it deserved it. Most capable car 40K could buy.
And that’s why I’m holding on to mine.
That’s correct. It is the best handeling live axle muscle car ever made.
That’s coming straight from professional race car driver Billy Johnson.
I also might add that this is THE LAST TRUE OLD SCHOOL MUSCLE CAR EVER MADE !
In 2015 Mustang went to the IRS and in 2014 obviously the GT 500 has a blower on it as they all do, so that rules them out as a true muscle car.
@“ The Lemonade 🍋 Man “ why would having a blower rule the gt500 out of being a muscle car? The 5.4 and 5.8 gt500s have the same long stroke so the engines are torque happy to begin with and with the blower on top their bottom end torque monsters and they have a more old school muscle car sound. They're definitely the definition of a muscle car and more geared towards straight line stuff. The boss is an all motor high rpm screamer that handles amazing and is also amazing in a different way. I have an 07 gt500 with a gen3r and I am planning to purchase a boss to park beside it in the future as I love both cars but both cars being v8s with manuals and solid axles they both are definitely muscle cars that do what they do different but are both great.
@@midnight347 In the sense that a Boss 302 Mustang 2012/2013 is more authentic to what the original muscle cars were about, all engine man. At a certain point you have to make a distinction a cut off line if u will.
I’ll give you an example.
The same way you can’t really compare a Corvette with a Mustang or Camaro.
At some point there is a line you cross over that you have to create a separate class of designation.
I’m not the only person that agrees with this sentiment. You have your opinion, and if it works for your mind, that’s all you should care about right ?
I'll never sell my 2013 Boss 302, I love that car! Just went over 24k on the clock. Got to Have It Green
I was in the market for this, or a newer GT350. The GT350 doesn't feel faster in a straight line. The Boss is every bit as much fun and really does have a special feel to it. I like the seating position better and the exhaust note might still be the best of any mustang ever produced. I've owned 6 mustangs and many other fun cars including a Porsche Cayman S. This car provides the most smiles per gallon.
As an owner of both a 2013 Boss 302 and the new Mach 1 I can't ague with anything you have stated. Thank you for watching!
I've owned many sports cars in the past few two decades and my 2013 Boss 302 was one of my favorite vehicles that I've ever owned. Perhaps I'll buy another one in a few years.
I feel the same way you do!
Very good video. Mustang 302 is for me one of the best Mustangs that have been built. Here in Germany there are 25 pieces and one belongs to me
I completely agree. It's awesome you have one in Germany. I didn't know they exported the cars to Europe back then and thanks for watching!
I bought the car in the USA and imported it to Germany
I’ve been looking at buying a red 2013 boss. I can’t stop watching reviews of these cars!
I should have a full review on a 2013 once the salt clears off the roads in PA. Stay tuned
Same here
Mine is a 2013 Lugna with 7K on the clock and I'll never sell it, going to the grave with the registration still in my name! So much fun to drive, so raw, great feedback and the exhaust note at 7 grand.... Yea MT 82 sucks, but a replacement MGW shifter and the Amsoil mix of 2 qts 75-90 and 1 Qt syncromesh make life OK. Really needs a clutch that will release cleanly at 7K to fix the mess. I have a 2022 Mach 1 and a 2012 GT 500 in the stable also, but tonight I had to decide which one was going to Pottstown Saturday night show with me and I jumped in the Boss. Every time I run down the road in it I have a smile ear to ear! It really is the best of the S197 Mustangs, Thank you Dave Pericak and your team for the effort you guys put into this car to get it right.
Thanks for sharing and yes from what I understand the clutch is the issue. I had lockout 50% of time over 7000 RPM. It was frustrating to say the least. Other than that I loved the car.
I was cross shopping 12/13 boss and 11/12 gt500. Went with a 12 boss and haven't looked back one bit. The car is just so good. I put a maxiumn motorsport suspension kit on it and doing some minor mods but thats it. These cars just have so much character to them, it never gets old driving/racing it. You can't go wrong with these cars
I completely agree and thanks for watching!
Have you had any issues so far? Considering it for my next car
@@Whotta I sold my Boss 302 last Spring but I had 41,000 miles on it and absolutely not issues. I would highly recommend a Boss.
@Miko R. I haven't had any issues with my 2012. It's been a great car and I'm happy I went with it over the shelby. Not a car show guy, but occasionally jump in one. And when you see 20 shelbys and maybe 1 boss in the whole show. It validates my decision even more. The only knock I have on the car is the interior, it's a little plain inside. Especially compared to the shelby. But I really dont mind. When your full throttle down a straight away and those side exhausts are opened up, thats all I need. I will say that a clutch upgrade on these cars is worth the money. Really any mustang with the mt82 needs a different clutch. As far as motor wise, the road runner has been established to take a massive amount of power in stock form. It's built stronger then the shelby. If boost is what you want, throw a paxton on it with a fuel system and tune and go dust shelbys up with no issues
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Thanks for feedback. I heard Boss's have tranny issues. Haven't dug too deep into the issue but did you have to remedy the situation?
Before covid hit a Brand new 4 cylinder Mustang was more expensive then a used Boss 302. These cars were so under rated
I couldn't agree more. I don't think the prices will be coming down for these anytime soon.
I will never sell willingly. The BOSS302 I have is a practice in tantric art. It is a rare thing to have 2 in a lifetime. Ohhh yeah!!
The Boss 302 is a special Mustang and it’s desirability will continue to grow. I own 2012 LS 0046 since 2014. Most don’t know but the first 50 Boss LSs have vin #s that match the LS#. A little collector Easter egg.
I hope to do a separate video on just the LS Models when I can get more than a couple in one place.
Last of the Best ones..
My miss my 12 boss, I sold it to get my dream 68 fastback but I really miss it. I keep going back and seeing videos😪
You can always buy another one. Thanks for watching
The Blowfish bracket, bushing, and stainless steel braided clutch line completely eliminated my high rpm lockout on my 2012 GT. Hydroplaned getting on the highway and totaled it…. Looking to buy a boss 302 now
Thanks for the comment, sorry about your gt, and good luck with your search.
That was fun. Thanks. Found a MidWest 12 in Performance White with 6300 miles. Two-owner car. Showroom condition. Had the cover/key fob and kit. Broought home right before a snowstorm on 12/31. Your video helps with the hibernation...The engine is a visual and aural work of art. The radio? Not so much. Replaced with a Dynavin Bluetooth/Car Play 9" screen that retains the OEM buttons and steering wheel controls. Replaced all bulbs with LED. Way brighter now interior/trunk and headlights/turn signals. I am not a fan of the "jacked" stance. I ordered Ford Performance Springs to even the stance. These springs, in my opinion, should also have been a no cost option on Boss. I bought a 12 Porsche GTS that is also a white with black polished aluminum trim on outside. Both are six speed and 400+ HP. Boss is more functional as a daily go getter. The appreciation on P-Cars since I purchased makes daily driving not practical. Both are two-year limited edition cars that, I believe, will appreciate while enjoyed. Sound at 6000+RPM in both is magic. The analogish nature of both 12's is a really good balance. I like "junk in the trunk" vs. "junk in the frunk"...LOL. Subscribed.
Thank you for the kind words and for watching the video. Your car sounds great! Mine was white as well.
'12 Boss 302 Laguna Seca in Ingot Silver, just over 6k mi. One of 152 made in that paint scheme. Really enjoyed your video, thanks!
Very nice! Thanks for watching!
I wish I would have bought this car when it came out. But I am at least happy I have a 2012 Mustang. I will keep my Mustang forever. My can may not perform as well but looks just as nice.
Thanks for sharing!
#2352 here, 2013 SBY, i cant see how one can get better feelings and fun in newer cars (automatic trans, all driver aids, small engine with or w/out turbos,…) . Did the clutch (Exedy), Barton shifter, Trackey, Airaid intake, Dynavin radio. This thing is sooooo fun, and surprisingly comfortable.
I'm sure that Clutch helped a ton!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs yeah , i could not shift higher than 6000rpm, it would lockout and the clutch pedal would stick to the floor. I can now shift at redline all day.
@@Bebopin-69 I know the feeling my 2013 Boss wouldn't lock out until hit 7K and it didn't happen all the time but it was frustrating as hell when it did.
Hey, that was a great video on the Boss 302! Just wanted to give you props on a well put together video. I own a 2013 Boss with the Torson LSD. I absolutely love my car. I have a Whiteline watts link and it is really planted especially in the twisties.
I know all to well how they handle. I owned a 2013 for the better part of 9 years and drove it 40k miles summer only events and tracks. They are quite awesome! Thanks for watching!
Nice video. I'm looking to get a boss now. It'll be my first coyote
@@anthonykarch583 I enjoyed mine!
Well done Fella's. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦 Love my Boss also, great footage :-)
Awesome! Thank you and thanks for watching!
If you have your third bay built . I have 2012 Kona blue white stripes. Recaro seats , special Torsten diff.
Amazing under 800 miles . Garage kept never wet. It deserves a special home .
I can't speak for Randy but he leans towards the Orangish cars.
yep. I have a2012 kona blue Boss 302. amazing car.
Very nice!
Great job with channel Tony. So glad I found it. Keep the content coming. You have new subscriber and I’ll be sharing your channel with friends. 👍👍👍👍
Thank you very much for the kind words and welcome!
Hoping to locate a kit of one of these someday to go with my 1/24 Revell 69 Boss 302 I built about a year ago...
Tony, I loved this presentation, very informative! All of your video's are top notch!
Thank you so much! It is appreciated!
Thanks for sharing! Insightful for sure.
I glad you enjoyed it & thanks for watching it's appreciated!
Great Video Tony!
Thank you sir and thanks for watching!
Loved this video and I love my S197 Bullitt with the small Paxton on-board
Thanks for watching Mike! It is appreciated.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I loved it !!!
Good video! Can't say I regret ownership of mine minus the transmission and weak factory clutch
Thanks for the kind words and that seems to be the consensus from most Boss owners.
Love the review about the boss, full of information. Would like if you do a review about the 2013, 2014 trackpack mustangs. I own one and I think it be great to do a comparison with a track pack and a boss of the same year.
Thank you for the kind words. I am getting a lot of requests which isn't a bad problem to have. I want to do an Special Edition video at some point. The "Track Pack " cars should be included. They are not a special edition however there's enough there to separate them from the common GT.
Great video, keep makin em!
Thank you! As long as viewers continue to watch these videos i will continue to make them. Thank you for watching! It is appreciated.
I've always wondered why the resonators have a factory dent 😆
Awesome video, I got an 2013 Black BOSS 302 LS, love it. Just like Jay Leno's ...lol.
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Love his color choice 😍
Nice video Tony, well done Sir
Thank you sir. I was waiting to get your thoughts on this one.
I have twins, too! Grabber Orange ‘70 and School Bus Yellow ‘13. My dad has the red ‘12. My son has the red powerwheels. Yes. They made a powerwheels Boss 302.
That's awesome and thanks for watching!
Another great video. I was on the fence for a long time as to I was going to go with the GT500 or a 12/13 BOSS. Have a great day. -David
Thanks, you too!
I love the 11-14 Boss mustangs!
Great video, thanks. I have Boss #2933 and haven't had lock-out with the red key activated, but did experience it with the silver key. Coincidence? It has my vote for best ever.
Thank you for the kind words! I only experienced lock out above 7,000 RPM. I have heard from others that the clutch is the issue but I can't say that for sure as I never replaced mine.
Alot of people swap in a better shifter, I have a MGW race spec and have never missed a shift banging gears at 7500
@@BrailsfordsRides I dropped in a Barton with the bracket and a whiteline trans mount bushing filler it helped.
I have Boss1805, Gigittitygrn. The transmission OMG, Achilles heel for sure.
Great video, thanks from 🇩🇰🇩🇰 (Denmark)
Thanks for watching Denmark!
Gotta back Tony!!! Thanks!!
Thank you sir! I going to check out some of your videos now!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs your production quality and editing is fantastic.... Very well done!
I have loved these cars since the day they came out. Now that I’m older and can afford one, I’m looking to get myself a lower mile Boss 302 that I can daily and enjoy. Any tips or things to look out for?
No not really. The biggest issue with these cars is the clutch if that has been replaced you are golden. You may want to make sure whatever you are looking at hasn't been an accident. These are pretty solid cars.
I have a 2012 Competition Orange Boss 302. Awesome car, but has 113k miles which makes it undesirable to most. Going to see how many miles she will go.
I'm glad to see you are enjoying it!
If it's a forever car the mileage don't matter just take care of it and enjoy it. That is what they're for. My 07 gt500 is at 750 wheel w a gen3r it's got 132k I use it as a badge of honor lol. I'm buying a boss that has 55k on it it won't be my full time daily but I'm gonna enjoy it as much as I can and even daily it sometimes. Amazing cars.
I know the rarity just went up, a salvage yard I've used just got two of these in wrecked, one is white and the other is yellow. I'm hoping to get the exhaust system off one of them. They will sell engine and transmission as a package deal with the computer.
That's pretty common. Sad but common. Thanks for watching & sharing.
Get it now.
Had an ultra rare 2011 "track pack" Gt was really mad at ford because I would have waited for Boss
My biggest complaint difference between both cars was cloth vs leather & crappy stereo. Even in 69 & 70 you could get better interior!
I get the frustration however the interior in my 2013 was way nicer than the one in the 70. I can't recline the seats in the 70.
how many makes it rare? 435 club of America mustangs, 600 california editions... cant find a listing for track pack gt.
@@browncmptrack pack was just an option that gave brembo brakes and 373 gear.
I'm looking for one right now in 2022.
they are out there and many owners treat them as show pieces and haven't driven them as they were meant to be driven. Best of luck!
Your video notes you owned a Boss 302 for 8 years. What’s your advice in looking at buying one? I’m thinking of talking to a local Ford dealer that has a 2012 Boss 302 with 56k miles. Has Torsen diff, Recaro seats, lived in Alberta SK first 4 years then Washington state since 2016. Clutch replacement at 36k miles. I guess my fears are that it would be a car that’s probably not suited to just drive it, and if did daily drive it from looking on the forums I can expect a clutch assembly incl flywheel and a possible/probable transmission failure of the 2nd 3rd gears. The other car I’m looking at is a 2022 mustang that gets lots of sneering but really does hold its own versus others Mustangs in the twisting mountain roads near where I live.
A Boss 302 is one of the best S197's ever made that said the S550 is a better handling more relaxed platform. The Boss is more raw experience, and handling at the edge require throttle input to scoot it around corners. That can be fun at times and and a bit unsettling at other times (bumps in the surface). Also you will have to pay a premium to buy one because of the limited number produced. The weak point is the clutch and the transmission. I only had issues over 7,000 RPM and only occasionally. If you are are going to daily a car I would recommend the 2022. It's easier to live with on a daily basis and you most likely have some warranty remaining on the car if there are any issues undisclosed. Best of luck.
No way I'm taking a 22 over a boss. Boss is way more unique and fun and will hold its value far better. Boss is more raw and just as quick especially manual vs manual.
You said the Boss has an aluminum crankshaft. The two Boss cars I own don’t have that option.
Yes you are correct it's forged steel crankshaft. You know I wasn't getting paid by youtube at the time so... 🙄
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I drove the 70 Boss and remember back then it was like a rocket ship on rails….acceleration was so brisk and smooth…downright exciting.
I bought a 13 LaGunaSeca Boss 302 in school bus chrome. The acceleration was like a race car…..very brisk. I raced a variety of Fords and Chrysler’s over the years. I think Ford did a fine job with this. Last week I bought another one in red Regular Boss302.
If I live another 10 years I’ll buy a GT 350R and finish my 69 Mustang Drag car. I hope!!
ok 2 quetions 1st what was done to upgrade to the laguna sega car besides back seat
Forde Motorsport wheels, bigger sway bars, X brace where the back seat was, there are front brake cooling kits, and the appearance.
Whats the deal with a Laguna Sega Boss - Anything special about that?
Thanks for watching & I plan to do a separate video on a Laguna Seca when I can track one down. The biggest noticeable difference is a special color schemes (I am no a fan of either in 2012) the missing rear seat and added X Brace (to further stiffen the car), and the revised suspension tuning with unique spring and damper rates, and a larger rear stabilizer bar. Much lower production numbers for both years. Right around 700 per year.
Algorithm I always watch to the end LOL! Thx for the video!
Thanks for watching and hanging in there that's awesome!
great vid
Thanks you and thanks for watching!
I wanted a 13 boss really bad, but no. Picked up a 22 Mach 1 and I feel it was the boss I always wanted.
I can say from personal experience they are very close. The Boss is a bit more raw less refined as the solid rear axle tends to skip out on bumps in the corners and mach has no such tendencies. Thanks for watching!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs my thought exactly! I test drove a 12, but they wanted high 20k with 20kish miles, but for 2016, it was a high price. Now I’d snag it up lol. I loved it, just didn’t dig the blue color. A buddy had an orange one with forgestar rims and I was super jealous, and I had an 11 GT500 too lol.
@@mikehawk120 I owned a 2013 in white for 8 years put 40K miles on it and tracked it close to hundred times.
I’m holding on to mine for as long as I can. Thanks for bringing this icon to light. Yeah MT 82 sucks lol
They say a quality clutch fixes most of the issues.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs I installed a mgw race spec shifter with mcleod braided line and I use syncro shift 2 oil and it has worked great.
It's really not that bad and can hold some power w a shifter and clutch. That is where the majority of the issues come from.
THE only problem I have encountered with the newer Mustang is the seats feel maybe 2 inches too high.
It may be for some. There is a height adjustment with the Recaros so the seat can be lowered.
You forgot to mention the Team Shelby raced the 69 Boss 302. Carroll Shelby is the guy who helped Ford win the 24 hours of Le Mans over Ferrari. This is the ultimate guy who helped ford win races back in the day. In 2012 Shelby again had a hand in giving his approval on Fords Boss 302 program. Bud Moore was a pain in Shelby’s ass to be honest. Not even in the same league as Shelby.
I have plenty of Shelby content on the channel. Please take a look and let me know what you think. Thanks for your comment.
If you put tuner cold air intake and boss 302 manifold on 11 to 14 mustang gt pretty much you have same car of boss 302 in terms of power......
There's more to a boss than just the manifold. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yea you can modify a gt to make similar power to a stock boss. Same mods on the boss it wins it has ported heads and better cams factory as well as the better manifold. It's way stronger than a gen 1 also the gen 2 and 3 have the same Rods as boss and same power limit.
@midnight347 yeah but with tune and manifold the hp are the same boss has 440 stock 14 gt 420 it's only 20hp if you talking about oil cooler and bigger radiator fan and other parts yes the boss has which stock gt doesn't but with the right tune and modification you getting some HP........
Traded my 12 boss for a 13 gt500. Wish I could have both.
I totally understand.
I’m the original owner of 2012 race red boss 302. I’m trying to decide if should boost her now with a Paxton. Is there more pros than cons when doing that? Anyone with advice?
Personally I wouldn't boost it. The engine can take it but you will have to alter the car and you never get back what you invest. Bosses are holding their value pretty well. To each his own. Thanks for watching!
They do fine when boosted. You can easily make 700+ on 93 with proper supporting mods like headers exhaust etc. I would look into an ess blower if they make those for the boss as they are lighter in weight and make power just as well if not better than any of the other centrifugal style blowers yet cost less.
the boss 302's are pretty good that you had in your video but ya missed the boss 302 LAGUNA SECA twas and still is a step above all the others and how i could tell is your video boss had a back seat the laguna's do not....
also the tail badge was a horse not the track. yes i have black/gray wolf in sheep's clothes. unbelievable with the red key!!!
I thought I covered the LS's in this video. I couldn't find one locally to video so I went with what was available. Thanks for watching.
The difference between them are minimal. The laguna isn't anything crazy.
can the Boss motor handle any boost
As you know no engine can handle ANY boost but the Boss motor is stronger than most and great candidate to boost. There are several Boss cars running dual turbos and superchargers. That said they are really holding their value currently in stock form (LS's even more so) and are quite a bit more to purchase used than a GT. Depending on how much boost you are looking at adding you may want to run the numbers on buying a GT roller and picking up a used Boss engine. That could save you $10K+. Best of luck.
It is as strong as a gen 2 or 3 coyote it has more potential than the shit locked down s650. Yes it can handle boost lol
Brand new fully loaded was $42K, fully loaded Mach 1 is $63K with a $6K markup
I got my Mach 1 with the handling package for $54K ordered it in January 2021 my Boss was S42,500. In the current market would be 60 something but a you can't find a used Boss with decent mileage for less than high 30's they are really holding their value.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs bought my 2012 for $41k with 200 miles on it in late 2021
@@JC-ew2mn I paid 42,500 for my Boss 302 new in 2013. It's been a weird market for used cars the last 10 months or so but It sounds like you bought an almost new one for a few dollars less. You should thank the previous owner for not enjoying the car. Hopefully you will.
I've located a white one with 23,000 on it, the price seems high though at $38,000.
It's more than I paid for mine new. I actually think the market is going fall pretty hard here shortly for all used cars. Bosses included.
@@TonysFordsandMustangs Several months ago they had it listed for $46,000.
I thought to myself, they're nuts.
@@Wooley689 Seems like you were correct. They might be into that one at a pretty high price. You really want to find one that was recent trade as the wholesale market is down 15%ish depending on where you live,
@@TonysFordsandMustangsboss will always hold strong value they sell for similar money to what they did 8 years ago.
@@midnight347 it seems that way
Got one in the stable:
Trackey cortex watts link & sway bar links boss 302s front susp bushings 1 pc alum drive shaft electric exhaust cut outs gt 500 mufflers rear suspension relocation brkts boss R lower control arm boss s spherical bearing upper rear control arm watson 4 pt roll bar schroth harnesss Ford performance short throw shifter rear seat delete boss s wheels michelin ps4 tires front brake ducts stainless clutch line stop tec brake line with custom supports FP hood supports custom dead pedal boss s grill
Sounds awesome!
Help me out my friend! My 2013 boss in gotta have it green needs a dead pedal!
Where do i get one?
@@jasonb.8774 i got a drake brand just for the bracket then made a new plate out of aluminum and covered it with anti slip so its kind of stealthy
Tip use fishing line under the door sill tread step it has 2 sided tape holing it down once you get it free then carefully pry it up once its off then the left kick panel needs to come off
I like mine it saves the carpet like i say almost cant tell its there
Good luck
I know it’s pretty possible to mod this car too 900HP, what do you think the quarter mile time would be with the 2012 302 pushing 900HP?
It is possible and there are few out there with dual turbos pushing at or close to that number. The thing is there's a LOT more that needs done to cars pushing that kind of HP just to get a good launch and the weakest part of of any Boss is the MT82 and it's clutch which isn't built for that kind of HP. I wouldn't want to guess at ET but it is great platform for a striaght line build. Thanks for watching!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs exactly I plan to build it to be able to take that kind of power on the strip however I’m asking your estimated guess on what you think it may run in the quarter mile with that amount of HP given the fact it runs around 12 second quarters stock
@@brinsonswaffield1214 A car with that kind of power, correctly launched, at sea level, with the right tires, track prep, and suspension should be under 10 seconds @ 145 to 150ish. Tracks are going to require a roll cage at those speeds, Circle back around and let me know how it's going and best of luck!
@@TonysFordsandMustangs what do you mean at sea level? And I also wanted to ask you one more question, a few people have said ide have better luck reaching the HP I want on the track/street with a 2016 GT and they said it will probably be cheaper to do so, do you think that may be, or is true?
@@brinsonswaffield1214 The higher altitude the less oxygen there is and the engine needs to work harder to get the same HP. A 900 HP engine in Altana might be 825 in Denver. A boss is a better car to start with because of the forged engine internals. The block is stronger than GT block. It depends on how long or how many runs you want to get out of it. You could do it with GT but it's lifespan will be shorter than a Boss block. Really you would be better off finding a Boss block and dropping it in a GT as far as cost goes.
i'm in PA and im trying to get the license plate but it was taken, now i know why LMAO...SELL IT TO ME
It’s a shame Ford stuck one of the worst versions of the MT-82 in this car. I guess that’s why they added those internals in exchange.
From what I understand it's really a clutch issue but I sold my 2013 Boss for the 2021 Mach to avoid the lock out issues.
Honestly it's a decent trans, I have a 2011 v6 and it's not bad but it does feel a little too slushy for my taste kind of like manuals in fwd cars, I'll eventually swap it out for a tremec but the mt82 serves it's purpose pretty well
The mt82 isn't that bad its mostly the clutch and shifter that cause most issues. The mt82 is highly exaggerated far as how "bad" it is.
@@monikhushalpuriit's because it has a remote mount shifter like fwd cars do. An mgw shifter fixes this and makes it feel like a direct mount shifter. This and a clutch and it's golden.
@midnight347 yeah I know, I actually ended up switching out the transmission crossmember for a scotidi race development one, my oem one was cracked in the middle, the scotidi one is waaaaay more stiff and solid, I understand if it sounds weird but the car definitely tightened up and so did the shifting a little bit, this is with stock trans bushing. I'm going to end up coyote swapping it so won't bother with keeping the mt82 ill just go with the tremec in the future
This guy says that the crankshaft and the rods are aluminum, I highly doubt that you may want to edit the video bro I know for a fact the crankshaft is not aluminum and the rods are not aluminum
You are correct and no one's perfect.
I've seen college-aged guys in these, and that's it. Not one family.
I owned one for several years and I never went to college. :) I know several people who are far removed from college that drive or own these cars. They have become collectible already and the prices have flattened out in the mid 30'sK to low 40'sk for nice examples.
its funny to me to have the racing seats and normal seat belts. How stupid is that? My boss 2012 has a totally different hood scoop on it. His car looks red? Standard red? I went with the candy apple. the color from 69 i think it was.
If you're gonna track it add a harness it isn't that difficult lol
You mean race red?
Pzeros are Gahhhhbage
I guess when they designed the car they were the "go to" tire. I ran Continentals on mine and loved those tires.
The boss 302 somehow gets more impressive with every passing year . The dark horse ia, sadly, ugly. And at 70k it's just not worth it. What the boss is and what it can do is incredible
They are an awesome car! Thanks for watching!
Boss is about as fast as a dark horse stock and not far behind on turns and its 10x more fun and raw and unique for half the money or less. It's a no Brainer. It's 100x more sexy and it has more potential because it ain't locked down. the s650 Is the biggest disappointment ever.