@@mrjjthor I originally wanted the grabber blue but couldn't get it because they had already reached the factory numbers for the blue. I settled on the performance white and was lucky that my local dealership was in line to receive a Boss from the factory. I had them order it with every option available.
Good for you Scoobert :-) I think these cars are unique and remind me of the old Muscle feel/sound of yesterday. I was an eighties kid, that couldn't afford old muscle that was left at the time. Love that they are back. Some better than others. The Boss checks the box for me :-) Enjoy your new toy fellow Boss alumni.
I had a 2012 Boss 302 and drove it everywhere everyday. Had 130k miles on it only changed the fluids and brakes. Best car I ever had. I put it through the ringer and it was sold until the last day I had it. Highly recommend buying one of these cars if you can get your hands on one no matter what the mileage is on it.
I agree with you on that point. The drivability of the MT82 is alright, in my opinion, but the Tremec would have made more sense for the type of car that the Boss is.
Owning a 2013 Boss, i cant believe how they tested and tuned their preprod car , and not realize you could not shift gears. There was an obvious screw up between development and supply/production. The fact that i knew about that and bought it anyway say all about the passion this car awakens, despite its few flaws.
Yes - definitely it’s weak link, although it can be improved greatly with an MGW Race Spec shifter and the organic version of the McLeod Twin-Disk clutch. I run those along with a lightweight steel flywheel and one-piece aluminum driveshaft and it shifts beautifully and spins up faster due to the lightened rotating mass - best first mods to make imho.
Sadly the hearing is all wrong. But if your drive with a deft touch you’ll have no issues. I’ve tracked my 2012 Boss all over North America since February 2011 with no issues.
Carroll Shelby and Parnelli Jones were in the development in this car as well. SVT was involved as well. Literally everybody was involved with this car. It’s the ultimate result of the best Mustang (all around) ever made.
“ The Best handeling, solid axle car ever made “ ~ Billy Johnson ~ ( professional race car driver) This is also the last true muscle car ever made. In 2015 Mustang went to IRS, and in 2014 the GT 500 has a blower like they all do., so that kinda rules them out.
I’ve had a lot of Mustangs. Older 1969 Mach 1s, newer GT500s, Bullitts, Mach 1s you name it. I just bought a 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca. It’s the best well rounded car I’ve ever driven. I actually smiled when I first drove it.
I bought a low mileage excellent condition 2012 race red boss 302 during the polar vortex of 2019. Stock Florida car. It’s been babied it’s whole life. Owned by 2 other old guys. I wanTed the 2012 over the 1013 cuz I think it looks way more badass. Had it shipped up,to Chicagoland. It’s my summer weekend fun car ..i don’t race it. Just rumble around the neighborhood....i bot it with the exhaust baffles out but it way way too loud and raspy sounding for meSo I put them back in. The car makes me feel like I’m driving a late 60s muscle car...I always drive with the red track key. And it shakes at stoplights cuz of lopey idle. They are so rare I never see them on the road. I know other newer muscle cars can run circles around me but I don’t care. I will have this car forever
I agree Yardman! Different, rare and tons of fun! I found mine four years old with 1800kms on it. Mint! Very wealthy family with exquisite car collection. Demon on the way, Boss on its way out. A too good to be true story, that turned out true! Mines staying in shop, until they put me in a home. Pretty sure it's just move to our son's after that, lol. Keep on smiling Yardman. Life is good as "Boss" :-)
The best looking Mustang. I love my 2019 GT with its rear independent suspension and other goodies but I would love it even more if it has the Boss 302 exterior look.
Great review. I love my 12 Boss. I lowered mine with Ford blue racing springs. Race shifter and plug and play led lights and radio upgrade with back up camera and car play. Of course windows down with track key is best music
Sorry for your loss Noah. You've been bitten by the muscle car bug now, lol. It's infectious and lasts a lifetime! I was 10 in the 70's when bitten, now have a Boss and a Z06. This disease can be expensive, tons of fun, and I mean loads and loads of fun. So don't fret, you to can survive it, lol. Cheers from Canada, and may your life be blessed with future muscle, in car form :-)
I really love the look of the 2011-12 BOSS, the best looking s197 in my opinion. The motor is a gem also, with forged internals you can throw tons of boost at it.
@@lollol-xp4mc I know what the car was meant for, but a Boss motor can take more boost than a GT500 of the same year. And trust me there's more people boosting their cars than tracking them.
@@christenn32 this is false you can throw 20 + psi at a gt500 it has low compression boss has high compression like the coyote but ultimate power making potential is about the same as far as rwhp on stock motor both can safely do around 800+ with good fuel and good tune etc. Both have powdered forged rods which isnt as good as forged but still very capable (obviously). It really isn't about "how much boost you can take" that depends alot on fuel and compression. The gt500 runs alot higher boost for the same power because it has real low compression. So the gt500 can "take more boost" because of that alone but that doesn't really matter because both can get to 800+ fairly safely with high octane fuel and good tune. Two diff ways to make power and that really isn't the point just disagreeing with your comment about boss being able to "take more boost" than a gt500 lol.
2013 race red here. I’ve owned and driven many mustangs over the years. The Boss is king. I Fn love this car, I’ll never get rid of it. I’m like a 7 year old on Xmas morning every time I fire that girl up. F ya!!
Hi there. I'd like to clarify one point that you made about the Boss 302's engine: No, its not true forged. there's a process called PM forging, which demands powdered metal (PM) in the process, which does not have the "cold start" problem traditional forged internals would have, its also not as strong though. The first ford engines that had this were the "aluminator" crate motors, before that the modulars preferred hyper pistons in the whole series, except the terminator. boss 302 engine is kind of between gen 1 and gen 2, internals are like gen2, fuel delivery&on-spec is gen1 (not incl. the intake).
Owned this exact boss and traded it for a gt350. The boss was cool but the trans was garbage. Would never shift into second when on full throttle. The gt350 is such a better vehicle, performance, trans, suspension, etc.
Though I wish I could have owned the Boss, I am happy to say I own a 2012 v6 MCA which is at least the same in style. I love these body years. My car may not have the the same power but I am making my car track ready.
I got the v6 version,,, best part is the sound prof interior.i bought the prem version.. window sticker was 32 thousand,, looks like someone did a sway bar and coil replacement unless the factory paints them parts.not sure..
It ain't nearly as bad as people make it out to be and you can get a stage 3 mt82 from calimer for like 1800 and it can hold up to like 1000 hp or something. T56 magnum is another great option. The clutch and shifter are most of the problem stock change those out it makes a world of difference.
Great video but Jen one was stock Mustang and a 2012 412 horsepower and this isn't like a race engine it is it is truly the exact engine run in the race car 302 s and 302 R boss factory race car, only difference is with the red jacket you've got that as well.
It's a GT500 wing. I installed one as well on my 13 Boss. Liked the look better than the thin spoiler that came stock. American muscle sells them and they come in a mat black.
Great review Graham. Well done :-) I do have this car same car in my Garage. #290 in Performance White. The exhaust note is addictive, and ride thrilling. Keep smiling fella, one day you may have one in your stable too :-) Definitely a keeper!
Missed my '12 Boss. Sold my gt350 to get it back. I'm not a collector that has several cars. I'm never parting from my '12 again. It's just the most fun overall mustang I've ever driven. It's the first vehicle that gave me the same feeling as the classic muscle cars.
You found it that much more rewarding than a gt350? Wow! Thanks for your honesty, as I have a Boss, but have never been in a gt. Really like mine, but wondered if the muscle experience would be better in an independent newer chassis? I'll buy a newer chassis if ever that intrigued, but not selling my PW Boss. Thanks Mr Ghost :-)
@@billmcmeekin7909I had a ‘13 Boss for 3 years and loved it. Switched to a GT350 and missed the Boss. After 3 years I went to a ‘14 GT500. Both the Boss and the GT500 are way more fun to drive than the GT350.
i just got my school bus yellow 2 weeks ago, the fact that this car does not permit you to drive like it was advertized is very frustrating(cant shift quick above 6000rpm) . otherwise The car is great Even by todays standards: 2020, it is a blast to drive and you realize cars are not getting much better , unless better is ‘’less involving’’.
ITS THE CLUTCH... the remote mount shifter is fine it does flex a little but your getting high rpm lockout from the clutch... but a twin disc McLeod in it and problem solved.. also drives better than stock feel
I also have a school bus yellow with 30K miles on it. Clutch/shifter was replaced. No problem shifting at 7500 rpm even with no-lift shift. One thing to note though, I separated my brake oil reservoir from transmission.
Rst twin disc clutch and mgw shifter and you r problems will be a thing of the past. I have that setup in my 07 gt500 (different trans) it's ungodly amazingly good. I know it would be for mt82 also.
It's basically the gt350's Dad. It came out and kicked the snot out of the market and then went away to make room for the GT500. I may go as far as to say it inspired gm to bring back the Z28.
The gt500 has nothing to do with the boss or why it went away. It was planned as a 2 year run just like 69-70 from the beginning. The 12 has stripes like a 69 the 13 has stripes like a 70. It's to pay homage to the original.
@@midnight347 Who said anything about the GT500? While the return of the boss 302 paid homage to the original trans-am cars of the 70s, it did not stop there. It's target competition was the E92 M3, which it dominated. It was also affordable and candidly fast. The 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 was an incredibly successful automobile, thus making it a worthy predecessor for the now iconic 2015 Ford Shelby GT350.
It’s a second car to use as a toy. Not a every driver in my opinion. But watch out on used ones because some have seen track days. Some have been modified and eventually beat on. Do your homework and buyer beware.
GT350 has better road manners, and its 5.2 is an engine like no other; however, the Boss offers a raw and pure experience that few other cars can achieve thanks to its simplicity. It's a very tough choice. They're very similar cars in so many ways, but very different in a few key areas. Personally, I'd likely choose a well looked after Boss, but mainly because I'm a sucker for the 13-14 body style, and the Boss is probably the most impressive version of that platform.
I agree with you, but nothing is perfect! The transmission is a tough issue to fix but driveshafts are easily replaceable and there are a lot of things that you can do to improve the feel of the MT82; and if you're really feeling bold, you can swap the MT82 for a Tremec.
@@sergsoir1691 2010 v6 made 210hp 2013 makes 305hp 2010 does not have track apps or center screen . 2013 has better looking tail lights . 2013 has ambient lighting . 2010 did not have 5.0 coyote available.
I don't understand how you Americans buy BMWs when you have such super native cars. I want to sell the 340i and buy a Boss 302 or maybe a corvette z06. (I have a BMW with b58 and I don't understand the phenomenon)
I had to show my wife your comments, lol. I have two cars in the garage, a 13 PW Boss, and an 09 Atomic Orange Z06. You made my day. Cheers from Canucksville :-)
@@mateuszm.7126 Thank you for the enthusiasm :-) I'm presently building my 1985 GMC stepside. I've had it since 87. Full suspension and 450 HP drivetrain swap. Just started, and living the dream. Cheers to Poland and hot rods forever :-)
I wouldn't say the Best Mustang ever , Surley a naturally aspirated 2019 - 2020 GT 350 Shelby would provide the excitement that the Boss tried to achieve but really never did " Which is the reason Ford built the GT 350 in the first place "
@@jasonlommen4769 I owned a 2013 Boss , just a glorified GT with a lower suspension and a few more ponies . The Shelby I couldn't afford , But got spanked by one many years ago "
I did not because I have not had a chance to drive either of those cars; however, the Roush and Shelby are both supercharged powerhouses that are focused much more on straight-line speed than they are on cornering capabilities. I can tell you right now that while they’re all Mustangs, the Boss 302 is designed for a very different job than those two cars.
@@GrahamCain the gt500 is a different kind of car. Like you said it's more brute power and torque and raw straight line oriented type experience. They can be good handling cars with upgrades but that isn't what they do best imo. I love my 07 gt500 it's a raw beastly car with a gen3r on it has 750/700ish to the wheels (look at that torque!) And the peak numbers only tell part of it. The driving experience is completely different. The boss is a better car if being balanced and handling matters more to you. I love them both I'd like to have a boss along with my gt500. The gt500 has a way better transmission and the old school firing order makes it sound so much better although the boss sounds amazing too (love the side pipes). They aren't really comparable one is more ideal for straight line brute muscle car performance the boss is a better balanced handling car. I don't like the roush compared to either imo the gt500 and boss are both more special. Roush is kind of overpriced for what you get imo. At the end of the day it's essentially a factory modified gt mustang it even says gt on their title. I would not get a roush over either a gt500 or a boss. Which one of those you choose depends what you want. If you want a high powered positive displacement blower car with a stout manual behind it the gt500 is the easiest way to get that and they have torque for days. If you want a well balanced handling car that can perform great na or with a power adder the boss is a great car. It's performance holds up even today. The newest mustangs aren't even much better than a boss on paper and the driving experience pales in comparison to the s197 cars.
Nice car no doubt, BUUUT you obviously have never driven a Shelby GT350 which we all know will absolutely annihilate this Boss in each and every way all the way up to 8250 RPMs...GT350 Voodoo FTW...
I have driven a GT350. They’re incredible cars and one of my all time favorites; however, the boss is better. The problem with the GT350 boils down to the chassis itself. This is something that I’ve talked about in the past that still holds true here. The s550 is an excellent platform and on paper they make for much better cars, but that isn’t everything. What’s beautiful about the S197 is that they are a simple, old-school platform. Because of this, the S197 gives the driver a raw, visceral experience that you just don’t get from the S550. For me, the Boss 302 and the GT350 are my top two Mustangs of all time, but the Boss beats out the GT350 simply because the S197 platform offers a seat-of-your-pants driving experience that the finely tuned S550 just can’t deliver.
I agree 100% with Graham. Well said. I own a 2013 Boss, and have driven the GT350. Both are great cars, but you’re PART of the Boss, and just the driver in the GT350. I told my wife I felt insulated from the GT350, as great as it was to drive. If someone held up two sets of keys, I’d choose the Boss for the overall driving experience.
@@GrahamCain you must be on drugs. I’ve driven a boss and own a 16 Gt350. They’re not even on the same ball park. The Shelby is on another level and the mt82 sucks to say the least. I would actually say the newer performance pack cars are better than the boss. The boss is a great car but it’s a dinosaur. They’re just not comparable.
Lol. Each and every way? Lol. The only advantage a GT350 has is IRS. GT350 flat plane crank is a novelty vibrator that has been plagued with reliability issues from day one. So much so Ford yanked it out of their GT4 cars and put back in....wait for it... the Boss Road Runner engine. The Boss 302 won multiple GT4 Championships. GT350...not so much. Add a tune and headers to a Boss 302 and your over 500 hp. Reliably. The market is awash in GT350s that are still being pumped out since ‘16. There are likely 15000 GT350s at this point. The Boss? 2 year limited production. Only 1500 Leguna Secas to boot. In years to come collectors will be seeking out the Boss. Market is already bearing this out. GT350? Again, not so much. Cheers.
@@evanharris3802 Your delusional to say the least. You lost me at the Boss will be a collector item someday and the Gt350 not so much? That comment tells me everything I need to know about your “knowledge “ concerning these cars. The Boss was a nice exit from the previous platform but no one cars now and it’s platform is rudimentary at best. The Gt350 is light years ahead for a sports car. I don’t care how much you can boost the Boss. It’s a dinosaur.
WAIT you need to be promoting the GT350...nope discontinued now.......you need to be promoting new Mach 1. Ford latest HYPE Mustang. Do it quick because this (non) "special" Mustang will be discontinue the Mach 1 inside 2 years. The Boss 302 was a cool car I had a 2012 Boss 302 it was fun until a Camaro ZL1 runs by you on HPDE track.
Jack James I recently( March) sold my daily driven 2012 Boss that had 85,000 miles on it! I also, have the 2017 GT350 and daily drive it , now have 28500 miles on it. Cars are meant to be driven!
The Boss 302 is a special Mustang in many ways including but not limited to its stout forged internal 302 cu inch Road Runner engine, it’s adjustable suspension, quad exhaust, Track Key with that classic V8 lopey idle, direct link and parallel to its history, direct involvement of Carroll Shelby and Parnelli Jones, Multiple GT4 championships, very limited production and continued strong resale especially for low mileage and/or the LS. and the high water mark of the S197. It will be sought after by collectors in the years to come. MT82 fixes are available, easy and cheap. The GT350 can’t match any of that. It has IRS and coil overs. Full stop.
Owned a 12 & 13 Boss and loved them both. Tracked both of them. Amazing performance right out of the factory. The only weak point IMO is the MT82 transmission. Could be a bugger to perform high RPM shifts at times.
Well worded with no annoying gestures, redundant info or anything. Just a nice and basic to the point "what makes this car special" in a nutshell. Liked and subbed. 👏
Only vehicle in the history of “Motorweek” television to be voted unanimously by editors as the best vehicle of the year! The look on the face of passengers when they get out of my car is utterly priceless.
If you had the boss 302 and shelby 350, what do you feel are the pros and cons of both. Asking because those are the 2 cars I am looking at right now. Thank you.
The roadrunner is basically a gen 2 coyote with a boss manifold on it. The bottom end of the gen 2 coyote was derived from the boss. The gen 3 is similar but added the di and more compression etc. It didn't need a boss motor what it needed was to be differentiated from the gt more than it was. Only having a gt350 manifold aka the outgoing bullet motor is ridiculous and people still Herold the Mach like it's some amazing mustang. I didn't like the new Mach from the beginning it's one of multiple things Ford has got wrong in the last 2 or 3 years and it continues.
No I haven't driven one yet, but I agree with you, it's a special car & I too may try too own one, one day. Anyway great video Brother, keep'em coming. 🇺🇸 MURICA!
As a 13 Boss owner I approve of this video.
As an ex 2013 grabber blue Boss 302 owner, I also approve of this video.
@@mrjjthor I originally wanted the grabber blue but couldn't get it because they had already reached the factory numbers for the blue. I settled on the performance white and was lucky that my local dealership was in line to receive a Boss from the factory. I had them order it with every option available.
Eh I’d say the gt350 overall
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As a 12 boss owner I don't approve of this message lol. Na you guys got the better rear end and sync
Bought a 2013 boss 5 months ago and I’ve love every damn second of it!
I agree with you brother, I bought one 8 days ago and it’s incredible, it’s stone cold a no non sense track car !
Good for you Scoobert :-) I think these cars are unique and remind me of the old Muscle feel/sound of yesterday. I was an eighties kid, that couldn't afford old muscle that was left at the time. Love that they are back. Some better than others. The Boss checks the box for me :-) Enjoy your new toy fellow Boss alumni.
I had a 2012 Boss 302 and drove it everywhere everyday. Had 130k miles on it only changed the fluids and brakes. Best car I ever had. I put it through the ringer and it was sold until the last day I had it. Highly recommend buying one of these cars if you can get your hands on one no matter what the mileage is on it.
It’s crazy to think that this is possibly the last Boss302 ever! I love my “13 Grabber blue 302”
This car will be worth a fortune in 15-20 years
I have a GT, but the boss is the car to have if you love s197s. The car makes you feel like your doing everybody a favor by driving it.
I wish they would've put the Tremec trans in the Boss mustangs instead of the MT-82.
I agree with you on that point. The drivability of the MT82 is alright, in my opinion, but the Tremec would have made more sense for the type of car that the Boss is.
Problems with mt82 is because the clutch is really bad from factory
Owning a 2013 Boss, i cant believe how they tested and tuned their preprod car , and not realize you could not shift gears. There was an obvious screw up between development and supply/production. The fact that i knew about that and bought it anyway say all about the passion this car awakens, despite its few flaws.
Yes - definitely it’s weak link, although it can be improved greatly with an MGW Race Spec shifter and the organic version of the McLeod Twin-Disk clutch. I run those along with a lightweight steel flywheel and one-piece aluminum driveshaft and it shifts beautifully and spins up faster due to the lightened rotating mass - best first mods to make imho.
Sadly the hearing is all wrong. But if your drive with a deft touch you’ll have no issues. I’ve tracked my 2012 Boss all over North America since February 2011 with no issues.
Carroll Shelby and Parnelli Jones were in the development in this car as well. SVT was involved as well. Literally everybody was involved with this car. It’s the ultimate result of the best Mustang (all around) ever made.
“ The Best handeling, solid axle car ever made “
~ Billy Johnson ~
( professional race car driver)
This is also the last true muscle car ever made. In 2015 Mustang went to IRS, and in 2014 the GT 500 has a blower like they all do., so that kinda rules them out.
I’ve had a lot of Mustangs. Older 1969 Mach 1s, newer GT500s, Bullitts, Mach 1s you name it. I just bought a 2013 Boss 302 Laguna Seca. It’s the best well rounded car I’ve ever driven. I actually smiled when I first drove it.
I bought a low mileage excellent condition 2012 race red boss 302 during the polar vortex of 2019. Stock Florida car. It’s been babied it’s whole life. Owned by 2 other old guys. I wanTed the 2012 over the 1013 cuz I think it looks way more badass. Had it shipped up,to Chicagoland. It’s my summer weekend fun car ..i don’t race it. Just rumble around the neighborhood....i bot it with the exhaust baffles out but it way way too loud and raspy sounding for meSo I put them back in. The car makes me feel like I’m driving a late 60s muscle car...I always drive with the red track key. And it shakes at stoplights cuz of lopey idle. They are so rare I never see them on the road. I know other newer muscle cars can run circles around me but I don’t care. I will have this car forever
I agree Yardman! Different, rare and tons of fun! I found mine four years old with 1800kms on it. Mint! Very wealthy family with exquisite car collection. Demon on the way, Boss on its way out. A too good to be true story, that turned out true! Mines staying in shop, until they put me in a home. Pretty sure it's just move to our son's after that, lol. Keep on smiling Yardman. Life is good as "Boss" :-)
I bought one 8 days ago !
It’s incredible and out of all my whips this one is the Best !
The pinnacle of looks and performance !
What color, what year Paul? Performance White 13 for me, and for life :-) Welcome to the club :-)
Lucky to have a 2012 black Laguna Seca and it gets compliments everytime its on the road. Definitely the best Mustang made.
The best looking Mustang. I love my 2019 GT with its rear independent suspension and other goodies but I would love it even more if it has the Boss 302 exterior look.
Mach 1 is returning, got a good feeling 302 will be next. Ford would be fools not to
@@2URLex Ford is a foolish company lately. Mach e intensifies.
@@Trig. ugh don’t remind me lol they’re all taking of electrifying their flagship cars.
@@2URLex The real issue here is calling a fugly soccer mom crossover suv a mustang ;) I’d love a true EV mustang. But I’m keeping my 13 Boss forever.
@@kalasmournrex1470 makes me feel bad for guys that are going to buy the new “lightning” such a shame.
Video approved by this boss owner👍🏻
One of my favorites. 13 Boss. 🤤
Great review. I love my 12 Boss. I lowered mine with Ford blue racing springs. Race shifter and plug and play led lights and radio upgrade with back up camera and car play. Of course windows down with track key is best music
My dad bought a red one when they first came out when I was eight. Sold it after about a year. This brings back so many memories😭
Sorry for your loss Noah. You've been bitten by the muscle car bug now, lol. It's infectious and lasts a lifetime! I was 10 in the 70's when bitten, now have a Boss and a Z06. This disease can be expensive, tons of fun, and I mean loads and loads of fun. So don't fret, you to can survive it, lol. Cheers from Canada, and may your life be blessed with future muscle, in car form :-)
I own a 2012 Laguna Seca you did a great job capturing the history and explaining why this car is significant
Thank you very much!
Great video ! It will be sought after by collectors in the years to come.
I really love the look of the 2011-12 BOSS, the best looking s197 in my opinion. The motor is a gem also, with forged internals you can throw tons of boost at it.
Its not meant for making huge power tho its mean for the track and a bunch of boost doesnt necessarily help it do that
@@lollol-xp4mc I know what the car was meant for, but a Boss motor can take more boost than a GT500 of the same year. And trust me there's more people boosting their cars than tracking them.
No such thing as an 11 boss. They only made it in 12-13
@@BossMan302 yeah I know, I misspoke. I was referring to the bodystyle before the facelift in 2013.
@@christenn32 this is false you can throw 20 + psi at a gt500 it has low compression boss has high compression like the coyote but ultimate power making potential is about the same as far as rwhp on stock motor both can safely do around 800+ with good fuel and good tune etc. Both have powdered forged rods which isnt as good as forged but still very capable (obviously). It really isn't about "how much boost you can take" that depends alot on fuel and compression. The gt500 runs alot higher boost for the same power because it has real low compression. So the gt500 can "take more boost" because of that alone but that doesn't really matter because both can get to 800+ fairly safely with high octane fuel and good tune. Two diff ways to make power and that really isn't the point just disagreeing with your comment about boss being able to "take more boost" than a gt500 lol.
I just bought the same exact one I'm in love with this car
2012 #199 here
It's not a DE -Tuned motor. The racing versions have the same motor.
Get one it's fun !!
Through back in time..
2013 race red here. I’ve owned and driven many mustangs over the years. The Boss is king. I Fn love this car, I’ll never get rid of it. I’m like a 7 year old on Xmas morning every time I fire that girl up. F ya!!
Good video, of course. 😉
You'll get this car one day Graham, I know you will :)
You aren’t wrong! It’s on my list😎 Haha
Love my 13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca just a tad more than my 13 Shelby Super Snake. Both are widebody and boosted 🙌🏼🙌🏼
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Saving up for this specific model😭🤘🏽
If I become filthy rich, I would recommend to buy this car.
Hi there. I'd like to clarify one point that you made about the Boss 302's engine: No, its not true forged. there's a process called PM forging, which demands powdered metal (PM) in the process, which does not have the "cold start" problem traditional forged internals would have, its also not as strong though. The first ford engines that had this were the "aluminator" crate motors, before that the modulars preferred hyper pistons in the whole series, except the terminator.
boss 302 engine is kind of between gen 1 and gen 2, internals are like gen2, fuel delivery&on-spec is gen1 (not incl. the intake).
Owned this exact boss and traded it for a gt350. The boss was cool but the trans was garbage. Would never shift into second when on full throttle. The gt350 is such a better vehicle, performance, trans, suspension, etc.
Though I wish I could have owned the Boss, I am happy to say I own a 2012 v6 MCA which is at least the same in style. I love these body years. My car may not have the the same power but I am making my car track ready.
Awesome review! Thanks for sharing.
Excellent Video. Keep up the good content.
I got the v6 version,,, best part is the sound prof interior.i bought the prem version.. window sticker was 32 thousand,, looks like someone did a sway bar and coil replacement unless the factory paints them parts.not sure..
Nice video man. Only thing I dont like about my Boss (2012) is the MT-82. Other than that I agree it is a dream car I feel fortunate to own.
It ain't nearly as bad as people make it out to be and you can get a stage 3 mt82 from calimer for like 1800 and it can hold up to like 1000 hp or something. T56 magnum is another great option. The clutch and shifter are most of the problem stock change those out it makes a world of difference.
@@midnight347 I have a calimer Stage 3 waiting in my garage to go on,this comment of mine is quite old 😂
I love mine🤘
Great video but Jen one was stock Mustang and a 2012 412 horsepower and this isn't like a race engine it is it is truly the exact engine run in the race car 302 s and 302 R boss factory race car, only difference is with the red jacket you've got that as well.
I miss mine, had a 13 school bus yellow …traded in fir an 18 corvette stingray z51, sweet car too , tough call which I like better …
I’d like to know what rear wing was installed on this Boss? If it’s the GT500 wing, was it painted? and if so, what color?
It's a GT500 wing. I installed one as well on my 13 Boss. Liked the look better than the thin spoiler that came stock. American muscle sells them and they come in a mat black.
One of a kind ! 🤙🏼
My dad used to have one.
Your dad used to be cool
@@BrandonCockridge18 Still is. It's the drunk driver that never was. Car didn't make it, but luckily, my dad is still here.
of course
Great review Graham. Well done :-) I do have this car same car in my Garage. #290 in Performance White. The exhaust note is addictive, and ride thrilling. Keep smiling fella, one day you may have one in your stable too :-) Definitely a keeper!
I hope to! If I‘d like to find one in Grabber Blue or School Bus Yellow when the time comes!
No Mustangs in this video was hurt... Max 2000rpm...
I have a set of those wheels on my 2005 Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
Missed my '12 Boss. Sold my gt350 to get it back. I'm not a collector that has several cars. I'm never parting from my '12 again. It's just the most fun overall mustang I've ever driven. It's the first vehicle that gave me the same feeling as the classic muscle cars.
You found it that much more rewarding than a gt350? Wow! Thanks for your honesty, as I have a Boss, but have never been in a gt. Really like mine, but wondered if the muscle experience would be better in an independent newer chassis? I'll buy a newer chassis if ever that intrigued, but not selling my PW Boss. Thanks Mr Ghost :-)
@@billmcmeekin7909I had a ‘13 Boss for 3 years and loved it. Switched to a GT350 and missed the Boss. After 3 years I went to a ‘14 GT500. Both the Boss and the GT500 are way more fun to drive than the GT350.
i just got my school bus yellow 2 weeks ago, the fact that this car does not permit you to drive like it was advertized is very frustrating(cant shift quick above 6000rpm) . otherwise The car is great Even by todays standards: 2020, it is a blast to drive and you realize cars are not getting much better , unless better is ‘’less involving’’.
Blowfish Racing shifter bracket that doubles as a driveshaft safety loop
Stock is junk I heard. First thing you get is MGW shifter. Your problem solved
ITS THE CLUTCH... the remote mount shifter is fine it does flex a little but your getting high rpm lockout from the clutch... but a twin disc McLeod in it and problem solved.. also drives better than stock feel
I also have a school bus yellow with 30K miles on it. Clutch/shifter was replaced. No problem shifting at 7500 rpm even with no-lift shift. One thing to note though, I separated my brake oil reservoir from transmission.
Rst twin disc clutch and mgw shifter and you r problems will be a thing of the past. I have that setup in my 07 gt500 (different trans) it's ungodly amazingly good. I know it would be for mt82 also.
It's basically the gt350's Dad. It came out and kicked the snot out of the market and then went away to make room for the GT500. I may go as far as to say it inspired gm to bring back the Z28.
The gt500 has nothing to do with the boss or why it went away. It was planned as a 2 year run just like 69-70 from the beginning. The 12 has stripes like a 69 the 13 has stripes like a 70. It's to pay homage to the original.
@@midnight347 Who said anything about the GT500? While the return of the boss 302 paid homage to the original trans-am cars of the 70s, it did not stop there. It's target competition was the E92 M3, which it dominated. It was also affordable and candidly fast. The 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 was an incredibly successful automobile, thus making it a worthy predecessor for the now iconic 2015 Ford Shelby GT350.
Of course!
Great video! Could you provide a link for the music?
The only thing I would change on this car is swap to a tremec when the mt-82 grenades itself, and it will.
Overall, great video and review. "Of course" there are a few areas for improvement, varying word choice, might be one of them, for future reference.
yep, I have a Kona Blue 2012 Boss 302. NASTY CAR!!!
It’s a second car to use as a toy. Not a every driver in my opinion. But watch out on used ones because some have seen track days. Some have been modified and eventually beat on. Do your homework and buyer beware.
So if you had to pick 1 ?
Boss 302 2012/13
Or
GT350 2016/17
GT350 has better road manners, and its 5.2 is an engine like no other; however, the Boss offers a raw and pure experience that few other cars can achieve thanks to its simplicity. It's a very tough choice. They're very similar cars in so many ways, but very different in a few key areas. Personally, I'd likely choose a well looked after Boss, but mainly because I'm a sucker for the 13-14 body style, and the Boss is probably the most impressive version of that platform.
@@GrahamCain thanks for the input my friend
Should have come with a one piece driveshaft and a top loading mt82, jmo.
I agree with you, but nothing is perfect! The transmission is a tough issue to fix but driveshafts are easily replaceable and there are a lot of things that you can do to improve the feel of the MT82; and if you're really feeling bold, you can swap the MT82 for a Tremec.
@@GrahamCain A blowfish bracket and clutch is also a must.
I still dont understand why '13-'14 was only manufactured for two years 😞
It was the same from 2010-2014, the 13 & 14 have a facelift which is the same front end except for the grill that the gt500 had
@@sergsoir1691 2010 v6 made 210hp 2013 makes 305hp 2010 does not have track apps or center screen . 2013 has better looking tail lights . 2013 has ambient lighting . 2010 did not have 5.0 coyote available.
@@bluedinero3055 mustangs have had ambient lighting as an option since way back in like 2007ish?
Would be awesome to have one of these...but the wheels gotta go!! Lol
I was the 200th like on the video
I don't understand how you Americans buy BMWs when you have such super native cars. I want to sell the 340i and buy a Boss 302 or maybe a corvette z06. (I have a BMW with b58 and I don't understand the phenomenon)
I had to show my wife your comments, lol. I have two cars in the garage, a 13 PW Boss, and an 09 Atomic Orange Z06. You made my day. Cheers from Canucksville :-)
@@billmcmeekin7909 Yes my friend. That's true. don't sell them, you won't buy anything better. Cherrs from Poland
@@mateuszm.7126 Thank you for the enthusiasm :-) I'm presently building my 1985 GMC stepside. I've had it since 87. Full suspension and 450 HP drivetrain swap. Just started, and living the dream. Cheers to Poland and hot rods forever :-)
Well I have a 12 Carrera GTS too. Completely different. BOTH are awesome rides
I admire Boss and all, but I had to lean over and get my 2013 Z28 instead....again, nothing against Boss.....
I wouldn't say the Best Mustang ever , Surley a naturally aspirated 2019 - 2020 GT 350 Shelby would provide the excitement that the Boss tried to achieve but really never did " Which is the reason Ford built the GT 350 in the first place "
Have you ever driven either one!?
@@jasonlommen4769 I owned a 2013 Boss , just a glorified GT with a lower suspension and a few more ponies . The Shelby I couldn't afford , But got spanked by one many years ago "
Did you compare it to the gt500 and the Roush of the same year?
I did not because I have not had a chance to drive either of those cars; however, the Roush and Shelby are both supercharged powerhouses that are focused much more on straight-line speed than they are on cornering capabilities. I can tell you right now that while they’re all Mustangs, the Boss 302 is designed for a very different job than those two cars.
@@GrahamCain the gt500 is a different kind of car. Like you said it's more brute power and torque and raw straight line oriented type experience. They can be good handling cars with upgrades but that isn't what they do best imo. I love my 07 gt500 it's a raw beastly car with a gen3r on it has 750/700ish to the wheels (look at that torque!) And the peak numbers only tell part of it. The driving experience is completely different. The boss is a better car if being balanced and handling matters more to you. I love them both I'd like to have a boss along with my gt500. The gt500 has a way better transmission and the old school firing order makes it sound so much better although the boss sounds amazing too (love the side pipes). They aren't really comparable one is more ideal for straight line brute muscle car performance the boss is a better balanced handling car. I don't like the roush compared to either imo the gt500 and boss are both more special. Roush is kind of overpriced for what you get imo. At the end of the day it's essentially a factory modified gt mustang it even says gt on their title. I would not get a roush over either a gt500 or a boss. Which one of those you choose depends what you want. If you want a high powered positive displacement blower car with a stout manual behind it the gt500 is the easiest way to get that and they have torque for days. If you want a well balanced handling car that can perform great na or with a power adder the boss is a great car. It's performance holds up even today. The newest mustangs aren't even much better than a boss on paper and the driving experience pales in comparison to the s197 cars.
Nice car no doubt, BUUUT you obviously have never driven a Shelby GT350 which we all know will absolutely annihilate this Boss in each and every way all the way up to 8250 RPMs...GT350 Voodoo FTW...
I have driven a GT350. They’re incredible cars and one of my all time favorites; however, the boss is better. The problem with the GT350 boils down to the chassis itself. This is something that I’ve talked about in the past that still holds true here. The s550 is an excellent platform and on paper they make for much better cars, but that isn’t everything. What’s beautiful about the S197 is that they are a simple, old-school platform. Because of this, the S197 gives the driver a raw, visceral experience that you just don’t get from the S550. For me, the Boss 302 and the GT350 are my top two Mustangs of all time, but the Boss beats out the GT350 simply because the S197 platform offers a seat-of-your-pants driving experience that the finely tuned S550 just can’t deliver.
I agree 100% with Graham. Well said. I own a 2013 Boss, and have driven the GT350. Both are great cars, but you’re PART of the Boss, and just the driver in the GT350. I told my wife I felt insulated from the GT350, as great as it was to drive. If someone held up two sets of keys, I’d choose the Boss for the overall driving experience.
@@GrahamCain you must be on drugs. I’ve driven a boss and own a 16 Gt350. They’re not even on the same ball park. The Shelby is on another level and the mt82 sucks to say the least. I would actually say the newer performance pack cars are better than the boss. The boss is a great car but it’s a dinosaur. They’re just not comparable.
Lol. Each and every way? Lol. The only advantage a GT350 has is IRS. GT350 flat plane crank is a novelty vibrator that has been plagued with reliability issues from day one. So much so Ford yanked it out of their GT4 cars and put back in....wait for it... the Boss Road Runner engine.
The Boss 302 won multiple GT4 Championships. GT350...not so much.
Add a tune and headers to a Boss 302 and your over 500 hp. Reliably.
The market is awash in GT350s that are still being pumped out since ‘16. There are likely 15000 GT350s at this point.
The Boss? 2 year limited production. Only 1500 Leguna Secas to boot.
In years to come collectors will be seeking out the Boss. Market is already bearing this out.
GT350? Again, not so much.
Cheers.
@@evanharris3802 Your delusional to say the least. You lost me at the Boss will be a collector item someday and the Gt350 not so much? That comment tells me everything I need to know about your “knowledge “ concerning these cars. The Boss was a nice exit from the previous platform but no one cars now and it’s platform is rudimentary at best. The Gt350 is light years ahead for a sports car. I don’t care how much you can boost the Boss. It’s a dinosaur.
0:50 gimmie shelter?
Yes, yes indeed. Perhaps a non-copyrighted version for UA-cam. It definitely sounded different to me compared to the song version on my Music app
UnorthodoxMasterOfGames good point I was just confirming
UnorthodoxMasterOfGames it could also be gimmie shelter by merry Clayton
Not a fan of whoever butchered "Give Me Shelter"
I've got one I'll sell you :) 2013 Boss with a Whipple.
For sale?
Sean AKA Wayne Sold 2 weeks ago :( Now I feel empty not seeing it in my garage. The car was a beast.
No music wanted. Cant hear sound of car dummy
Talk too much we wana hear the car.
WAIT you need to be promoting the GT350...nope discontinued now.......you need to be promoting new Mach 1. Ford latest HYPE Mustang. Do it quick because this (non) "special" Mustang will be discontinue the Mach 1 inside 2 years. The Boss 302 was a cool car I had a 2012 Boss 302 it was fun until a Camaro ZL1 runs by you on HPDE track.
ZL1 will be long forgotten when collectors are looking for Boss 302s.
Until you throw a blower on the boss and mop the floor with the zl1 for alot less money 💰
I daily drive my 2012. It has 90k miles on it
Jack James I recently( March) sold my daily driven 2012 Boss that had 85,000 miles on it! I also, have the 2017 GT350 and daily drive it , now have 28500 miles on it. Cars are meant to be driven!
@@mustangdaddy4125 Yessir! Love driving my Boss 302 every single day
I daily my 2012 Boss. 62k miles. Just did a track day at Thompson Speedway a few days ago. Awesome car.
@@stickboy1035 Dope bro! I just drove 17 hours to North Dakota! Just over 1,200 miles! I gotta make that trip back home in a week lol
Good. Tired of garage queens.
How are you not gonna talk about the second red key with the different engine tuning and sound? Lol
The Boss 302 is a special Mustang in many ways including but not limited to its stout forged internal 302 cu inch Road Runner engine, it’s adjustable suspension, quad exhaust, Track Key with that classic V8 lopey idle, direct link and parallel to its history, direct involvement of Carroll Shelby and Parnelli Jones, Multiple GT4 championships, very limited production and continued strong resale especially for low mileage and/or the LS. and the high water mark of the S197.
It will be sought after by collectors in the years to come.
MT82 fixes are available, easy and cheap.
The GT350 can’t match any of that. It has IRS and coil overs. Full stop.
Just got got mine insured by Hagerty classic/collectable car insurance ! With only 15,000 miles its valued for what I paid for it in 2013!
Owned a 12 & 13 Boss and loved them both. Tracked both of them. Amazing performance right out of the factory. The only weak point IMO is the MT82 transmission. Could be a bugger to perform high RPM shifts at times.
Well worded with no annoying gestures, redundant info or anything. Just a nice and basic to the point "what makes this car special" in a nutshell. Liked and subbed. 👏
Only vehicle in the history of “Motorweek” television to be voted unanimously by editors as the best vehicle of the year! The look on the face of passengers when they get out of my car is utterly priceless.
Last chance you get..
I had 12 boss 302 loved it, was so fun to drive, but traded in for 17 gt 350. great video!
If you had the boss 302 and shelby 350, what do you feel are the pros and cons of both. Asking because those are the 2 cars I am looking at right now. Thank you.
They seriously should have brought back the Roadrunner motor from the Boss 302 for the 2021 Mach 1
The roadrunner is basically a gen 2 coyote with a boss manifold on it. The bottom end of the gen 2 coyote was derived from the boss. The gen 3 is similar but added the di and more compression etc. It didn't need a boss motor what it needed was to be differentiated from the gt more than it was. Only having a gt350 manifold aka the outgoing bullet motor is ridiculous and people still Herold the Mach like it's some amazing mustang. I didn't like the new Mach from the beginning it's one of multiple things Ford has got wrong in the last 2 or 3 years and it continues.
I got 2013 5.0 love my car
I will own this car.
No I haven't driven one yet, but I agree with you, it's a special car & I too may try too own one, one day. Anyway great video Brother, keep'em coming. 🇺🇸 MURICA!
Yes!