@@ancientpathstv Well,english is not my first language but I wanted to say what I think.From what I have expirienced in orthodox church after holy mysteries, gives me confidence to say that Holy Spirit is in this church,I don't know for Catholic church and no one can tell me different.What I felt after my first confession can not compare with anything from this world!Of course this is something very personal but I have to write this because I know It's true what I wrote.I'm sorry if I don't write correct words.
@@norah327 To allow one self to see the errors of some traditions that are held by either our church or others is not the same as rejecting what God has done in your life. Nothing limits the Lord from ministering to you when you come with humbleness of heart and confess before Him, and His Spirit reaches all who are lowly of heart and calls upon the name of the Lord. We are many who have been blessed by the Lord and experienced His love and forgiveness, of all branches and streams of Christianity, something to be glad for! However, to close ones eyes to the failures and lacks that are, in spite of our experiences, present in our churchly practices and our understandings of the history of the faith and Church, is not the way to continue. We have the tendency to cling on to the instruments through which we experience grace, and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, but we will do well in remembering that it is the Lord Himself we should cling on to, and not the instruments and human mediators. Stay honest to what is true, and when the truth is revealed do not reject it because of what is familiar and seems safe.
As a confessional Lutheran, I do in fact reject the Calvinist teaching of iconoclasm. However, I am in agreement on the matter of rejecting iconodulia as well. My understanding is that images of Christ and the saints can be helpful in prayer and devotion if witnessed, and can rouse piety in a man upon laying eyes on it, just as the same would be for one who sees an image of the Cross of our Lord. Yet, I would also never say it is necessary that these images be made not venerated. It’s a happy middle, as far as I’m concerned.
Reformed theology-qua-reformed theology is not inherently iconoclastic. Between icondulia (the position of the 2nd Nicene creed) and iconoclasm, there is a middle position-- Aniconism which distinguishes between religious art which can be legitimate and have pedagogical value on the one hand, and icondulia which is the theologically imposed necessity of venerating images under the threat of anathema, which it rejects. Many reformed folks (myself included) fall into this camp. Your comment reeks of gross reductionism.
The Orthodox Church in the US is seeing an increase in new converts while the Protestant denominations are in decline. As Protestants get more woke, the faithful look for a more ancient authentic faith. They start attending divine liturgical services and they find a home in Orthodox Church. At my parish many young men seeking the truth convert and they bring their families. So we are growing. My recommendation is attend a local parish and experience the Orthodox Way for yourself.
Here in Germany people are leaving Catholic and orthodox churches en masse, only the Bible only/born again Christians are getting more and more every day.
@@mkbr1992 and Protestants are growing more than any other tradition worldwide including orthodox countries. We can’t confuse the online orthobro fad with reality.
@@eremiasranwolf3513 I mean, aren’t you kind of larping as a Protestant by trying to fit in with them by condemning the Orthodox, despite being a Papist? Also, how is that Papist prophecy by a literal child about Russia’s conversion to Papism going?
@@mkbr1992 The overall amount of the Orthodox can still be dwindling overall while the amount of converts increases. These aren’t mutually exclusive. I know that in my parish last year we received more converts than any other year in the history of our parish.
@@danube466 I stand firmly behind my assessment of the exclusivity of the Orthodox Church. Be assured that there is a small believing remnant in every Christian denomination. ✔️
@@whiteoctober4582 I've demonstrated the truth from the Scriptures and church history. If name-calling is the best defense you have for Eastern Orthodoxy, you really need to reconsider it.
Go ahead and mock. Keep telling yourself Eastern Orthodoxy is what has been believed everywhere, always, by all. Ignore all the evidence to the contrary. One day you will stand before a holy God and answer for having loved a lie.
@@ancientpathstv Right, and God revealed the totality of the true Christianity in the 16th century by a 20 year old lawyer, ordained by nobody, self-appointed corrector of apparently over a thousand years of error. Good luck entrusting your salvation to that. Not all that different than the claim of the muslims that the crucifixion was a phantasm that Allah was perfectly happy to let people believe in and be damned for 600 years for no reason but his own glory. Not that different from Calvinism, in fact you think God turned a blind eye for longer.
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church. If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England :)
@@houbertcanitio2199you quite literally just called holy scripture “a mountain of lies” see that’s what EO and RC don’t seem to understand. Every time you call us heretics you’re calling holy scripture heresy or you don’t understand sola scriptura. You cling to your traditions, you know, that thing the Pharisees used to nullify scripture. Who has the most “holy traditions” EO and RC. Now stay with me here, who argues against scripture more than anyone? EO and RC. Do you seriously think your church is infallible to falling into sin like the Pharisees?
Mormons say the same. Instead of listening to God's Word and the historic testimony of the church, they invent their own history and bear their testimony. I pray for them, as I pray for you, that God will open their eyes, and they'll stop loving lies.
@@ancientpathstv Baptists say it Presbyterians say they are the original church. So do Amish and Pentecostals. The Orthodox and Catholics can trace their roots to Jesus and Not John Calvin and John Knox.
Eastern Orthodoxy Documentary is solid 🪨 I'm not Prostestant I'm a Catholic who loves Jesus Christ & that's What the Church Father's wants. Jesus Christ Said to follow the will of the Father. Eastern Orthodox are becoming National isolated Churches supported by Russia, the American Orthodox doesn't agree with ROCOR. Schism since 2018 in Eastern Orthodoxy just facts. 🙏🗝️🗝️
The quote mining in the first 5 minutes is already laughable. Irenaeus, in the same book III of Against Heresies, affirms tradition passed down by the presbyters and clergy. In Chapter IV of Book III he even more clearly lays out how the Church keeps the truth and apostolic tradition. Unbelievable.
The rhetorical games you're playing are laughable. "Quote mining" and "cherry-picking" are terms used when people can't actually demonstrate that a quote is taken out of context. You've set up a straw man, where oral tradition is equal to Scripture or ignored. It's neither. Irenaeus said what he said. The quote calls the Scriptures the "pillar and ground of our faith" and flies in the face of those who want to subordinate them to traditions that contradict them and one another.
This point is utterly humiliating, and laughable, Eastern Orthodox quote mind 7th Century quotes made by Heterodox to support their ideals. Not only that but there are whole letters written about the idolization of icons (Letter LI. From Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, in Cyprus, to John, Bishop of Jerusalem) which is mentioned in this video if you even watched it.
Thank you so much for this brilliant exposition of church history and the power of the scripture alone. I considered Eastern Orthodoxy for some time as I was drawn to the aesthetics and the way it advertises itself as taking the faith more seriously, but the de-emphasizing of the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement and the heretical asceticism that is viewed as a virtue in the tradition are unacceptable. This context on the history of orthodoxy and the twisting of the truth that has slowly corrupted the movement is so important, as many in the west who are ignorant of this history are in danger of falling into this sect that attributes the teachings of man to God. Don’t be discouraged by the hate and slander coming from the orthodox community. I pray that they would listen to your points and that their eyes would be opened to the ways in which their doctrine lacks a firm foundation in the word of God. Please continue to speak the truth of the scripture with boldness🙏
@@ancientpathstv Jay Dyer and David Patrick Harry will be MORE than happy to hold a public debate with you. Something tells me you wont dare go on with them to defend your position...
@@majorian4897 Wrong again! I'm going on Craig Truglia's podcast Friday. I've not heard from Dyer or anyone else. If the arguments in the video are just "Protestant propaganda," shouldn't you be able to rebut them with something more than name-calling?
@@ancientpathstv First of all the Orthodox Christians have been around a lot longer than even the oldest Protestant Church's so to suggest they don't practice the faith the way the oldest Christians practice it is just false the Orthodox Church's have not changed where Protestant/Catholic Church's have changed a lot. The Catholic Church has become more like you guys with Vatican 2 even though there is still a small faction called the Saint Pious X society overall they've changed a lot allowing sexual predators in as Priest and the Protestant Church's have changed even more you have WOMEN PASTORS that is forbidden and how many Protestant Minister's are there that are greedy con artist's from the mega church's etc. Christianity of the East (Orthodox) has monasticism where as Christianity of the West (Protestant/Catholic) has corrupted Christmas into believing in a man who flies around the world once a year and you've corrupted Easter into believing in a great big bunny rabbit. You also legitimize the marriage of a man with another man and a woman with another woman. Let's also not forget the Crusades and Colonialism all done by Christianity of the West not Christianity of the East and in more recent times you guys have waged wars against Islam in the 2000's and 2010's and now your waging a war on the Orthodox Christians with your proxy war against Russia so you are in no position to talk about the (failure of Eastern Orthodox).
Amen to that! 7 years i spent in this Gospel of asceticism which is no Gospel. It almost led me to renounce my marriage and hed for Athos! Praise God for his Glorious true Gospel of Free Grace.
I am not sure how one can say that the Council of Hieria is rejected by Orthodox because it sounds Protestant. Doesn't your video show that the 7th Ecumenical Council was established prior to Protestantism? If you are saying that Orthodox today pick and choose which councils to accept based on their reaction to Protestantism it reveals a deeper misunderstanding and misrepresenting of how tradition functions in Orthodoxy. There is nothing in your quote of the Council of Hieria that sounds Protestant. It speaks of accepting what was handed down from the earlier councils and not of searching the Scriptures as the final authority. Just imagine an OPC General Assembly saying the same thing about these first six councils and you will understand my point. Also, the icons are just a manifestation of an underlying orientation to the saints that wsa held by both iconoclasts of Hieria and the iconophiles of the 7th Ecumenical Council. Both councils believed in the intercession of the Saints - a dogma that was ubiquitous and pre-Nicea. The iconoclasts believed what no Reformed Protestant believes - that holiness is mediated through material things like water, the Eucharist and the symbol of the Cross. This is the failure of Protestantism. The Apostles did not just leave us Scripture, they imparted their very lives to their successors. That way of life was passed on by the Fathers and preserved by the Church. I spent over 20 years in Protestant churches. The only time the Fathers and Saints were mentioned was to criticize them. If anything good was mentioned about Athanasius or Polycarp or Augustine it was only with qualification that they were in error on many points. For example, Protestants would not accept the views of Athanasius put forth in his Life of Anthony so why should we take seriously anything they quote from Athanasius to make him sound like a Protestant. There is no mechanism in Protestant churches like yours for honor to the Fathers because they don't belong to you. You don't receive them. Sadly, you are orphans. That is the failure of Protestantism.
The Council of Hieria was the first to address icons and declared John of Damascus a heretic. They didn't have the label "Protestant," but, like those who would later be called Protestants, they argued from Scripture. The Second Council of Nicaea declared John of Damacus a saint and relied on his fake history of oral tradition. Just as it is fallible today, the church has always been fallible. There are fathers who are more and less faithful to the Scriptures. That doesn't mean we ignore them. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed in every worship service. None of the early fathers support icons or your gospel. You can make all kinds of gratuitous assertions to the contrary, but that doesn't make them true.
@ancientpathstv Please explain... what is the point of reciting a creed if you don't belong to the body that formed that creed and you reject everything else that they stood for? Why use a creed at all?
At around 13:10 the narrator compares St Athansius and St Make of Ephes to Luther and Calvin, satjng that their opposal to councels is the same as as Luther's and Calvin's. The big difference is that the first were part of Christ's church and were already proven teachers and honored with the highest rank of bishops and the second were 2 people who had 500 years separation from the truth and never came to know Orthodoxy. The comparison is just not equal.
The point is that councils have erred. They contradict not only the Scriptures, but one another. The ultimate authority isn't Athanasius, Luther or Calvin, but God's clear teaching in the Bible.
@@ancientpathstv Councils led by heresiarchs are false (As Saints Athanasius and Mark of Ephesus were against) Do you not get that?! But the rejection of all councils as binding as Luther and Calvin resorted to is going overboard beyond the recognition of false councils
@@willtheperson7224 Name-calling and avoidance of the evidence are signs that what you're defending is a lie. How about actually engaging the documented history and arguments from Scripture?
Appeals to authority make for poor argumentation. If you bothered to watch the video, you'd see that we document his lies. We hope to be exposing more in an upcoming video on this channel.
@@ancientpathstv please. You're wasting my time. You appeal to your own fallacious authority that came about in the 16th Century. History is not on your side.
@@dustinneely We've documented our evidence from original sources. Instead of engaging the evidence, you're just claiming it's wrong. Engage the evidence and try to prove your case.
All other forms of Christianity failed to call me to Christ, so Orthodoxy has not failed. I would have died an atheist if the only church I ever knew of was Presbyterian.
The Pharisees were thought to be the most devout Jews. Jesus told them they were of their father, the devil. Rejecting the Jesus of the Bible takes many forms.
I would say glory to God. Calvinism failed me personally, and perhaps others, but I wouldn't go as far as to make a 2 hour long video saying that it has failed in total; and nor would I make non sequitur remarks about Pharisees in the comments of such a video.
@@machinotaur I'm glad to hear that. I also say glory to God for those who find Christ through Eastern Orthodoxy (or Calvinism, which I disagree with as well). But I think it's important to recognize wherever any tradition has departed from the original faith delivered through the apostles, so that we can hold fast to what is historic.
@@ancientpathstvThese are very interesting details to discuss. Thank you for compiling them. Coming from someone who is not EO, it seems very radical to say that EO reject the “Jesus of the Bible”. Some of the most humble Christians I learn from are EO, and some of the most prideful are “reformed” Christians. All are zealous for orthodoxy. We cannot be so quick to judge.
@@ancientpathstv So are only the "reformed" Christians going to heaven? Say you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, are you disqualified?
@@ancientpathstv You said he may regret being Orthodox for all eternity. Unless you're some completely new brand of heretic, which is entirely possible given that you're Protestant, what you mean by that, since you're Presbyterians and thus entirely predictable, is that he's going to Hell because he's Orthodox. Unless Presbyterians now believe in some middle state, like purgatory? What else is eternal regret but Hell? You're not deep and mysterious, and we're not stupid.
@ancientpathstv You have already been disproven by a few brothers and all Fathers of the faith since 32ad. Guess your the only one that hasn't seen that.
I think what protestants are trying to say to the EO camp is, we believe that you dont practice in ways that we say you practice. For example, when asking most EO people, ' are those outside of the EO church not saved?" Most Eo people I have talked to will say, yes they could be but that is for God to decide. Truthfully, I agree with that, that is for God to decide. But the problem is, is that you have ecumenical councils that say the opposite. Basically saying that if you are not part of the EO church then you are not saved. So if you claim to be the true church. Then you must believe what they believed back in the day. If a modern EO person says I can possibly be saved outside of the EO church, then my simple response is that you do not even know your own history.
I think I already commented but I have to say what an amazing job you did. This great work of love and compassion educates people from going into the darkness of Eastern Orthodoxy! Soli Deo Gloria!
Give me a break....smh i converted from a protestant reformed tradition many year's ago to orthodox faith. That was back in 2003. Then that reformed tradition was split on minor doctrinal disagreements, now its over what is a trans and gays being legally married. Smh. I thank God im Orthodox today. Thank you Lord. Lord help those struggling to leave false denominations to find true Church in Orthodoxy Faith.
Mormons also appeal to divisions among others and "bear their testimony" as a way of ignoring that their church is a lie and their gospel unbiblical. How about realizing that schism and heresy are both sins?
@ancientpathstv that's fool hardy to say as any Christian should know The Mormon Organization is heretical to begin with and not Christian. Why compare apples and oranges? But the fruits of Mormonism are posion . There is no comparison. I would also point out Hank Hanagraf the Bible Answer man had all his questions answered by Holy Mother Church Orthodoxy. May you also 🙏 ☺️
We took the time to hear Eastern Orthodox claims and engage its arguments. Like a Mormon, you ignore all the evidence and testify to what you want to be true. May God bless you with a hunger for the truth.
@@alek27e Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Gospel of Matthew 7:21-23
@ancientpathstv John Chrysostom, an Eastern Father, was very familiar with Pauline thought. In Chrysostom’s sermon on Ephesians 1:4-5, he asked why God chose us: And why did [God] choose us? ‘That we should be holy and blameless before him.’ So that you may not suppose, when you hear that he chose us, that faith alone is sufficient, he goes on to refer to manner of life. This, he says, is the reason and the purpose of his choice-that we should be holy and blameless… Being holy is a matter of sharing in faith; being blameless is a matter of living an irreproachable life (Homilies on Ephesians, 1, 1-2). Lactantius (AD 240-320), a Western Father, continues this same thought: Labors that are endured and overcome all the way up until death, cannot fail to obtain a reward….And this reward can be nothing else but immortality (The Divine Institutes, Bk. III, ch. XII). And again: The spirit must earn immortality by the works of righteousness (Bk. IV, ch. XXV). Theophilus (approx. AD 180), an Eastern Father, spoke of a life of doing well and obeying God’s command to procure salvation: To those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek immortality, He will give eternal life everlasting life” (Theophilus to Autolycus, Bk. I, ch. XIII). “For man drew death upon himself by disobeying. So, by obeying the will of God, he who wants to can procure for himself life everlasting (Bk. II, ch. XXVII). Irenaeus, a Western Father, in his writings, Against Heresies, Book I, confirms the necessity of a life of love and holiness, as well as keeping our Lord’s commandments in order to receive eternal life: But to the righteous and holy, and those who have kept his commandments and have remained in his love…he will by his grace give life incorrupt, and will clothe them with eternal glory (ch.10:1).
Leave it to the guys that appeared in the 16th century to tell the church of christ how wrong it is. You can't keep the same narrative yourselves. If I went to 4 protestant churches, all will have different ideas about the bible.
Did you even watch the video? You engage nothing in it. We didn't "appear" in the 16th century, and Patriarch Bartholomew accuses Patriarch Kirill of promoting "pseudo-religion." How about dealing with what Jesus and His apostles actually said?
Orthodox share the gospel every single service. All their services are lead from scripture directly and they read the bible as a CHURCH to avoid people making their own iinterpretations, they also partake in the eucharist. When christ said, this wine is my blood and this levant bread is my flesh, he wasn't joking. Prostestants think that is "symbolic" but not really his flesh nor his blood, in scripture, christ never said " oh btw, this is symbolic". It's by partaking in the eucharist that the body of christ enters you and you become part of the body, prostestants have grapejuice and gluten free bread....
@@adjustedbrass7551 The truth is that God has spoken, and He defines orthodoxy contrary to you. Eastern Orthodoxy isn't the faith of the apostles or the early church. We document the differences in the video, but since you don't engage any of its content, I'm guessing you haven't bothered to watch it all. I'm not to rehearse it all again in a comment.
Hey man, As someone who was a very serious inquirer for the better part of a year, can I ask what about this video leads you to be encouraged to head to your local EO church? God bless
This looks very well done. I can already tell there are major issues with presuppositions (unproven assumptions) but this is to be expected, as Protestantism has its own ethnic/geographic biases.
@@easternmcg I'm not sure if a refutation is fitting honestly, this is why i speak of presuppositions. Given the presuppositions, things would appear correct. And a video about presuppositions is boring. I'd have to think on it.
@@greenacresorganics7922 Yes, I noticed the criteria for everything seemed to be incorrect (like not knowing why Hiera is not an ecumenical council). I almost feel that one would need a dialogue (i.e. where the filmmaker voices objections conversationally) and then the objection is dealt with. In documentary form its just too much to unpack honestly.
Seems like the gates of Hell did prevail against the Orthodox Church. This is what happens when you rely on tradition above Scripture. Orthodox Church is NOT the One True Church
I was a Protestant for most of my life and my parents were evangelicals and I went to a non denominational evangelical Church that had their services in gymnasiums and they rented out some buildings as well. The only thing we had was the Bible and our interpretations of it, if it wasn’t in the Bible it was a “tradition of men that nullified the word of God”. Church History wasn’t discussed, the Catholic Church was constantly ripped on as being “pagan” and so on and so forth. The Church services added nothing to my life, it was just all guys wearing suits and jumbo trons and Christian rock music, everything was so shallow. If I could sum up Protestantism with one word it would be shallow or minimalist, and that seems to be the intent of Protestantism, to get rid of all those pesky traditions, and to have nothing but the Bible. No icons, no mysticism, your entire faith is intellectual, not spiritual. This is why so many young people in the 1960s, after having all these spiritual awakenings, looked to the eastern religions for their spiritual sustenance rather than to their own Protestant traditions, because the Protestant tradition is all intellectual and non spiritual. Protestantism, in particular Reformed Protestantism, is like a dried up, stale cracker. It’s like old musty carpet that hasn’t been cleaned in thirty years, a flavourless meal that has no nutrition. After having my spiritual awakening, and becoming more involved in my non denominational church, I was searching for something more, something deeper and more contemplative, I wanted to know what the early Church was like and I wanted to study Church history because these things were not seen as important in the Protestant tradition I was raised in, because of the emphasis on “the Bible alone” so I started to dig deeper into Church history and eventually I was led to the Eastern Orthodox Church. And I discovered in the Orthodox Church all the spiritual sustenance I need, and a goldmine of Saints and deep mystical theology to study and emulate. In the Protestant tradition there are no Saints or Holy Men, all believers are considered saints, but in the Orthodox tradition you have these Holy people who lived radical and transformed lives for Christ. I will never return to Protestantism, how could I return to Protestantism? Once you discover these things you cannot look back. My Reformed friends want to attack me everytime I discuss these things with them. You will know a tree by its fruits, look at the fruits of Protestantism it’s a colossal failure. 40,000 denominations that all assert supremacy over one another, with shallow seeker friendly services, teaching worldly doctrines rather than the self denial and cross carrying teachings of Christ. People are serious about their religion and spiritual growth tend to be hungry for depth and mysticism in their spiritual life, what to the Reformed have to offer in this area? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in this area. It’s all about how awful you are as a human, and how Christ was slaughtered on your behalf to satisfy the wrath of a blood thirsty God, oh yeah a here’s my book shelf containing volumes and volumes of systematic theology and books explaining why the Reformed tradition is superior to all other forms of Christianity.” Honestly what a joke. Thank God I am Orthodox. I will die an Orthodox Christian!
What you described sounds more like Dispensationalism than Protestantism. If you watched the whole video, you would know they're not the same. We deal with its errors here: ua-cam.com/video/Zj8GXw-gbg0/v-deo.html You've gone from one unbiblical error to another and use the first to justify the second. Rather than "bearing your testimony," how about actually engaging the content of the video? Eastern Orthodoxy is no more the biblical faith than Dispensationalism. Both rely on fake histories.
@@lukebrasting5108 Your view of the Scriptures is not the same as Jesus or the apostles. The Scriptures were given to define and correct the church. Do you really think the church in Galatia could disregard Paul's letter, since they could claim apostolic succession?
Everything you've written resonates with me. I was raised at a young age in charasmatic churches because my parent's believed that many churches in the reformed tradition were "dry" as you've described and even void of the Holy Spirit. Later as a teen we attended non-denom churches that were influenced by John Piper, Tim Keller, MacAuther etc and I went hard into Calvinist dogma believing it to be a more rational and was sincerely actracted to their "Gospel-Centered" messaging. The only Orthodox person I knew growing up was my Romanian grandmother who had converted to Catholicism, probably because there were no Orthodox parishes near her. She was such a devout Christian though. Then I met a friend in college from Bulgaria who had such a love for the Lord and modeled her life in a very Christ-like way. I asked her what denomination she was and she told me Orthodox. I responded, "so you're protestant like me" and she denied it emphaitcally. It confused me, I was certain she must be AOG or Pentocostal because of her passion for Christ. Then, years later I was invited to an Eastern Orthodox church by my boss and was really amazed by the service. The protestant in me recoiled at the icons, the insense,and even the sign of the cross, but the biggest impression it left on my was the amount of scripture that was read throughout the service. I thought since they weren't protestant that they must be Catholics and I always assumed Catholics didn't value scripture like that - and yet here I was at this Orthodox church that had more scripture than any "Bible Family Fellowship" church I've attended. Then for years I didn't give any thought to it until recently when Orthodox priest came up on my UA-cam algorithm. His messages really put a fire in my spirit, awakening me from a long slumber I had felt. It's really hard to describe but I just felt like God was pulling at me. I still have this strange feeling in my belly that is drawing me to attend an Orthodox church, a feeling like when you had a crush on a girl and don't want her to know. I just hope these feelings aren't just some shallow attraction to the novelty. I've been praying that if it's really the Holy Spirit that is drawing me to the Orthodox church that He will make it known to me. I do not want to be led by my flesh, my attraction to new things, or God forbit an evil spirit. I just know that ever since I started listening to Orthodox sermons I have been so convicted of my sin and have a strong desire to pray, to be in communion with God, to be filled with his Spirit anew and I really hope this isn't some "phase" or fleating emotion that passes and leaves me back in my old ways. There are still some conflicting teachings I am questioning because I've held them and assumed them to be true for so long, but one thing I'm not questioning is how the Holy Spirit has used the sermons I've listened to to lead me to repentence and prayer, to a love for Christ and others, and a desire to be more like Jesus.
@@joeybwalsh There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is the way of death. Test everything by God's Word. The Spirit speaks by and with His Word, not against it.
Thank you! We made a followup video here: ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html We hope to have a third out soon on the filioque, and I'm working on the fourth and final one.
I pray God will open your eyes to the truth in His Word. I pray you'll stop playing games and actually engage the evidence. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
@@ivandemirevski7756 I'm seeing a lot of complaining and personal testimonies, but not a lot of engaging the evidence. The most substantive criticism I've heard is that it was supposedly "dishonest" to play a clip of Patriarch Kirill, because not everyone agrees with him. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv i'm from Russia and it's true that not all ortodox like patriarch, however everyday in church they have to confirm his authority in from of people and not critisize him. and i see many people from west who go to ortodox church write something that thay have Bible studies from ortodox church, however it doesnt ever happen here in Russia. never seen a ortodox preist preach on a street about repentace or invite someone to church, trying to call people to come or talk with them, or give bible. here in russia is only protestant churches who do that and ortodox priests call baptists and protestants a cult and herertics and false church. Also someone in baptist bible study told me that even in Russian Ortodox Church there are many diffrernt teaching and it's vary a lot from one priest to another. He said some even preach "saved by faith" but other ortodox say they are wrong.. i'm gonna watch the video now beceause i want to see what else is wrong with their techings and not feel shamed all the time anymore about not being in this church. And so i can have citical thinking about this propaganda
These very important issues drove me to study church history and after several years of study I joined the Orthodox church and that is my home now for over 35 years. Let this inspire you to go and see and open your heart to the historical original ongoing book of Acts apostolic Church.
Mormons also tell me to look for a "burning in my bosom," rather than following the clear teachings of God's Word. Instead of engaging their critics, they bear their testimony and insist they know their church is true.
@@ancientpathstv what is this burning in the bosom? I have no idea what you're talkin about. And if the teaching from scripture is really clear then why are there thousands of denominations? you know it's totally subjective interpretations.
@@pg618 The "burning in the bosom" is supposed to be a direct, subjective witness of the Holy Spirit to the truth of the Book of Mormon. They believe it trumps the Bible. The video dealt with the "thousands of denominations" argument. Did you watch it all?
This idea that the "One True Church" is a single recognisable organisation generally locked behind a particular sect of Christianity with the name "Eastern Orthodox" or "Roman Catholic" is so anti-scriptural. The Bible is clear that he who believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God has eternal life and is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already and has not life in him. Jesus spoke out against sectarianism and even condemned some of his followers for rejecting the faith of other believers because they were not apart of their particular group of people. The Church is the body of Christ and not one denomination or sect has perfect theology, these however are only but minor disputes (at least they should be). The Church is full of diversity and differences of ministries, but still under the same Lord. And instead of condemning each other to hell, like scripture says we should be caring for one another in Christ despite our differences.
@@clint5814 The one true Church is the body of believers, all who preach the biblical gospel and all who believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God and who keep His commandments. Jesus forbid sectarianism and condemned some of His followers because they like you thought lesser about the faith of others, because they did not follow their particular group. Hypocrites! You do not see? For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, and do not allow those who are entering to go in. As members of the one body of Christ the one true Church, there is differences in ministries but all under the same Lord. The problem is instead of condemning people like me to hell for rejecting icon veneration, like the apostle Paul says all the members should have the same care for one another.
@@clint5814 Jesus never condemned people because they had disputes regarding certain practices, many of His followers disagreed on many things which where not salvific, no but rather He said the one who believes in the name on the only begotten Son of God is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, for he has not believe in the name of only begotten Son of God. Do you believe this?
@@clint5814 Does your church allow divorce? Would divorce be permissible if there was a risk to life? You who is without sin cast the first stone! As for me, it is not my place to judge individuals, for with which standard that I judge, the same will be brought upon me. You say adulterers are excluded from the kingdom of God, but I say all sinners who do not repent and believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God shall not see the kingdom of God.
@@clint5814 Ah, so youre a Roman Catholic, lots to pick from then. My brother, we will continue this discussion later. I am getting ready for work (nights), so I will get back to you tomorrow if you wish. You might want to rethink about your churches views on divorce (putting into mind the words of Christ and the apostle Paul), before calling me an unbeliever.
The Orthodox is the oldest Christian Religion and will remain the true one. It was said recently that the catholics and orthodox shall unite, but the true Easter will not happen. We are Christians, we shall stay unite! But Orthodox dogma will remain the true one.
I spent a long time listening to Eastern Orthodox and answering them from church history and God's Word. You simply make a gratuitous assertion. Did you watch the whole video?
@@mihaaai7834 I came into the Eastern Orthodox Church 20+ years ago coming out of Roman Catholic tradition and a brief stint in the Lutheran church. Over the years, I have learned more about my Christian faith and roots through research and readings, especially doing biblical studies and research. I came to realize that the Eastern Orthodox Church tends to demonize and vilify other faithful believers in Jesus Christ instead of reaching out to fellow believers. This has bothered me for years, many so-called Orthodox don’t even read the Bible, only what the priest tells them.
@@ancientpathstv You do not reply "Amen!" when someone proclaims that "Christ is Risen!". You say "Indeed He is Risen!". Αληθώς Ανέστη! At least learn that, before you pass judgement upon anything related to Christianity.
@@TheReformedCatholic Matthew 19:27-28 27 Then Peter responded and said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the [l]regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [m]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Firstly do you agree that the saints rule and judge with Christ in heaven over us? 1Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. 2Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves. 😅 and even this is poorly understood by the Protestants who reject the divine council of God. I’d like any Protestant to explain the plain meaning of these texts. They cannot has been my experience.
@@TheReformedCatholic so why don’t you exegete the text and tell me, do the saints rule over you, in heaven? I’m open to an explanation that does not indicate that they rule over the faithful Since it seems to me that you interpret 12 tribes to mean the disbelieving Jews. Whilst I would say the 12 tribes are the kingdom of God and the saints rule and judge over us. And we owe them praise and honour as our rulers.
now that I've shaved off my beard, and lowered my total testosterone by 200ng/dl, I think I'm ready to accept the truth and convert to the ancient faith of protestantism. Just bought my first suit and tie, and am ready to sit in the pews and listen to an exhilarating 2 hour sermon
@@DoIoannToKnow Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:19-23
@@TheReformedCatholic convenient to zero in on the one simple joke and dance right around the hard commentary points I made. Also you did not refute that heterodoxy is gay. Noted
No matter what flavor of protest-ism, post-renaissance so-called church that one belongs to they must ask the question where would you go to church in the first 1,000 years of Christianity? The other option is to believe that everyone everywhere all got it wrong until your little group came along and actually some people really truly believe that craziness.
When anyone in this comment section expresses his/her sympathy towards EO, you always compare them to mormons, gnostics etc. Do you understand that this is logical fallacy? Your entire line of argumentation is logically fallacious.
You really need to study logic more. A gratuitous assertion (proof by assertion) is a logical fallacy. Eastern Orthodox seem to think saying something without (and contrary to) evidence makes it true. It doesn't. You've just given another example. Mormons similarly ignore the Scriptures and historic evidences against their claims, and assert a mystical experience trumps all that. If you don't want to be compared to Mormons and other Gnostics, stop arguing like them.
@@ancientpathstvnobody wants to go scripture by scripture, they would rather argue then give us scripture. People with no foundation in the word instead just want to attack but never back it up by scripture.
@@ancientpathstv I'm surprised you know what the word anathema means. We're the only Church still proclaiming anathemas, 2,000 years later. Even the Roman Catholics have fallen to the soft times.
@@soare5182 You might want to consult the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. It defines an anathema as a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication; the denunciation of something as accursed; a vigorous denunciation : curse. If you read through the comments, I've repeatedly been called a heretic and a demon. Instead of using prayer to ignore the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, I'd prefer you deal with what's in the video and test all things by God's Word in the Bible.
This is a better advertisement of Orthodox Christianity than it is a rebuttal lol. I appreciate that you let the Orthodox clergy sprak for themselves rather than only stating your own claims 👍
We let them speak, because we have no interest in battling straw men. We know no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. As to "advertising Orthodoxy," Mormons claim the same about their critics. They refuse to admit their claims can't stand up to scrutiny.
I'm Catholic the Eastern Orthodox Church is Political Fractured National Churches ROCOR the American Orthodox Church wants nothing to do with Russia. Reason & Theology Michael lofton I like his channel & Tim Staples ex Fundemetalist Baptist now Catholic. 🙏
@@ancientpathstvI agree the Eastern Orthodox pick & choose Council's. I'm Catholic & thought you did a solid job, You should watch the Debate Dr Robert Sungenis vs James White. God bless 🙏
@@frankperrella1202 Thank you! We actually put together one of those debates with Sungenis here in Salt Lake City, along with another with Gerry Matatics. I moderated both. Please watch this other video we made. ua-cam.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/v-deo.html
They want to believe in spiritual Platon and Aristoteles Philosophy instead of Christ. I want to follow Christ, so my authority is Christ. And his life and teachings are in the Bible. I don’t need philosophy from church fathers to believe in Christ.
So is yours and every single person in history. You choose to lay down your authority to the EO, he chooses to be a protestant. If you woke up tomorrow and chose to not be EO you'd leave.
Almost all of the most vociferous "Orthodox" are recent converts, within the last few decades. Those of us that have a lifelong relationship with Orthodoxy know better and know how full of bologna they are. The fact that they idolize (literally) someone like Dyer is overwhelming evidence that they're not on the right track.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 Dyer has a brilliant mind no doubt but there are many Orthodox concerned about the way he presents himself and the damage that may be doing. He's not a good representative for Orthodoxy, imo.
@@sethcarter4910 And this is Dyers fault how? Also what is wrong with having respect for people who you perceive as doing good work? Respect for ones abilities is a very masculine thing. Is this alien to you? Maybe you are the one who should introspect in humility. Do you not pray every evening for forgiveness that you laugh at your brothers sins while yours are countless?
Mormons also "bear their testimony" when trying to ignore the facts. We've offered documented evidence from the Scriptures and the early church. Is this the best response you can muster?
@@ancientpathstv I don’t think you even know what you presented was nothing but fallacies? And you just don’t know the church history at all and you don’t know the system of orthodoxy and how it works. Hence why your arguments were not threatening at all. I’ve watched the video and it was already refuted by Craig Trulia and Fr.John white does on UA-cam. I’m sure you’ve seen it. Btw Mormons testimony is “burning in the bosom” ain’t not appeal to emotion fallacy that I’m doing lol. Also you say “evidence from scripture”. I hope you know that, you can not argue with Anglican’s, Orthodox, Roman Catholics, or oriental Orthodox with just “scripture” because all believe scripture to be a tradition of the church completed canon in the 6th ecumenical council. So, your mere interpretation won’t work against my church or any of these other churches who claim apostolic authority. You need church history and you need to know their systems to find them consistent. If you think you have good arguments, go debate Jay Dyer😂
@@ancientpathstv also your early church evidence was not good evidence at all if, it’s just going to be quote mines and you take them all out of context lol. Craig Trulia and Fr. John pointed that out and gave out the complete context of what you presented as well. It’s has good editing, I’ll give you that though in regards to the video. But again, this just gives me greater joy to be Orthodox and no longer a Protestant☦️
@@OrthoNektarios They offered insinuation, not refutation. They asserted that I'm a "hyper-rationalist," who would have to reject the Biblical miracles unless I accepted Eastern Orthodoxy's demonstrably counterfeit ones. They asserted that it was "dishonest" to quote Patriarch Kirill, because "not everyone agrees with him," but they never demonstrated that it actually was dishonest. This is like Roman Catholics complaining when someone quotes Pope Francis. They asserted it was dishonest to quote the Council of Hieria, because it didn't meet the standards of an ecumenical synod. They left out that those standards weren't developed until much later to justify rejecting Hieria. They say no patriarch was present, yet Constantinople was vacant, and the two succeeding patriarchs embraced Hieria as ecumenical. Fr. Whiteford ignored that I explicitly said fasting was part of the Christian life and then pretended I rejected it entirely. Straw men are so much easier to refute than real ones. If you believe Fr. Whiteford's appeal to "spores" proving the historicity of the Shroud of Turin, and that this proves the Abgar legend (which was never claimed to be a burial shroud), then there's no reasoning with you. If you love a lie, any response to your critics counts as a "refutation."
@@OrthoNektarios "Quote-mining" and "cherry-picking" are name-calling that allows you to dismiss evidence without actually having to demonstrate misrepresentation. Unless you can show that a quote was out of context, calling it "quote-mining" is dishonest.
let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.[1] Basil the Great, The Letters, Letter 189 (To Eustathius the Physician).
As Reformed Christians, we hold that the only true church is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. You might say that we aren't a part of it, but we hold that those who depart from the Divinely inspired Apostolic Witness, the New Testament, cannot be within the Apostolic Church. Our God, the Trinity, One in essence and undivided, established the canon. The Church can only passively receive it, but it has no authority to establish it.
@@TheReformedCatholic The question is: How do we *know* what are the Scriptures and what books are considered as such. We, the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church know it because the Scriptures are part of our Holy Tradition passed down by apostles all the way to us, but you as the ones that deny Holy Tradition can't have coherent and consistent knowledge of it. So, to answer your question, a first century Jew knew the teachings of the Church because the apostles teached him so, even before Gospels were composed. How you answer this question if the ultimate authority is the Scriptures, which hadn't even existed in that time?
@@PrenticeBoy1688 How do you *know* what books are part of the canon? Last time I checked, the Scriptures don't contain list of books that make the Scriptures.
@@elmitross The same way that the Jews knew what the canon of the Tanakh was: the ministration of the Holy Spirit. The Church is Christ's bride. She doesn't put words into the mouth of her Husband, she merely passively submits to His voice. She isn't infallible, only her Husband as a part of the Triune Godhead is infallible.There were no councils of the preincarnation Church that defined the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures. The early Church did, indeed, have a Bible: the Septuagint. Christ, Himself, held the Jewish religious leaders to account because they negated God's very written words by following unwritten tradition that was supposedly handed down from Moses. The Apostles did many miracles in Christ's name, just as the prophets of the Jews worked wonders to establish their credentials to speak as God commanded them. During their lifetime, their God-breathed testimony instructed the Church. Their written witness, the New Testament, is also God-breathed. The Holy Spirit chose those written testimonies and those letters of the Apostles to be preserved and handed down. If the Apostles said things other than what was Divinely preserved, then God has actively chosen not to preserve those things. The Reformed Protestant claim is that we, as members of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, have sought to return to the Apostolic part. We only have one reliable record of their teaching, a God-breathed record: the Holy Scriptures. Later additions and innovations to the Scriptures only serve to muddy the the crystal clear water of Divine revelation.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 Ok, how do you know which written testimonies Holy Spirit chose to be part of the Scriptures, and which didn't? Has He revealed that somehow, apart from the Holy Tradition, and the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? If the Church is fallible, as you say, how do we know that She hasn't erred about canon? How do we know Holy Spirit at all, apart from Christ's Church? Your position is incoherent and your reasoning is circular.
I had to leave the Eastern Orthodox tradition, as i just could no longer venerate, kiss, and bow to images made by man's hand. I am anathema. This all came about when i really began questioning the interpretation of God's Law. I was Orthodox for thirteen years, and Jesus, not Mary, is my Savior. The division in Orthodoxy is just as rampant as it is 8n protestand traditions. I was baptized as Constantine, i have since taken back my name Dani-el. This video has really solidified my coming out from among her. Praise be to the only Savior and Mediator between God and man... Jesus Christ our Righteous King.
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. *Revelation 2:9* You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. *Galatians 5:4*
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
@Veganismdebunked812 Ah yes. The same Peter Dimond who pauses videos and concludes that the weird expression of the person on the video is proof they are possessed by demons. Clearly an intellectually and spiritually inclined person worthy of Dyer's time.
@@Agnosticuzumaki Gratuitous assertions make for poor argumentation. Be brave enough to actually engage the evidence in the video. You're also parading your ignorance. I have a temple, sacraments, a priesthood, and a laying on of hands. You're arguing against a straw man.
This is a really well put together video. I have been looking into Orthodox a fair bit recently, however this video has also helped to anchor me into discerning between tradition and biblical teaching. I like the comparison you make of when Jesus rebukes the Pharisees of their traditional practices that were not supported by biblical teachings. This definitely opened my eyes to not just blindly accept traditions as being the "spoken" teachings passed down through the churches. Thank you for your perspective you have brought
Ive told many Catholic women and men that if "God" would, is calling me to become priest, that is the only objection i have to Catholicism because i want children and wife because naturally i feel the emotional and physical need to do so. I feel so much stress thinking how i am not going to get what I've longed for over decade what i truly needed the moment i was self exposed to pornography. Im Catholic but i just know priesthood is not for me. I dont see Protestantism as true neither.
Any church that has such a history of constantly moving the goal posts of redemptoion and sactification and justification etc etc rooting them not in any scripture , but is wild mysteries and myticisms- is just a cult- no matter how old or well established.
@@rossk3482 I'm a pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. We were kicked out of the mainline Presbyterian church in 1936 for insisting they maintain biblical truth. Now they ordain lesbians and homosexuals as pastors. We're "orthodox" in that we still submit to the historic and biblical faith.
@@rossk3482 No problem. The Protestant Reformers broke from Rome when they apostatized from the gospel and killed those who called it back to the historic, biblical faith. They didn't see themselves as having left, but Rome as having abandoned true catholicism. The Reformed church in Scotland was known as the Presbyterian church. The Presbyterian Church in the United States (PCUSA) similarly apostatized over time and kicked out those who called for it to repent in 1936. The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was formed to maintain the historical and biblical faith. The mainline PCUSA continued its apostasy and now ordains lesbians and homosexuals as pastors. Many Eastern Orthodox critics try to lump us in with them, so they can ignore our criticisms, but we have no more connection with them than we do with Rome. There are no perfect churches, but true apostolicity means holding to what the apostles actually taught.
As the numbers of people dissatisfied with protestantism and whom inquire into Orthodoxy continually increases, the more desperate, inaccurate and slanderous the critics become, and more videos intended for retention purposes will be made.
@kudryavkalaika875 lol protestants don't teach a different God lol. We hold to all 6 ecumenical councils with the 7th being controversial. All the reformers held the doctrine of the trinity, the incarnation, the death burial and resurrection of Jesus and the teachings of the apostles.
We document even more Eastern Orthodox lies in our most recent video. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html If you love lies, you'll have no excuse on the day of judgment.
@@jordanmills3938 Are Eastern Orthodox rude when they anathematize me and call for me to be unforgiven in this life and the next? Or is it only when someone responds that you consider them "rude"?
@@mariorizkallah5383 You're not being honest. That's not what I said. I believe we have an obligation to anathematize heresy, but Eastern Orthodoxy anathematizes me on the basis of lies. The commenter was accusing me of being "rude" for some undefined response.
As an Orthodox Christian, you have created an evil video that points to known political actors within the Russian Orthodox church, and not all of Orthodoxy, and you've made claims that are unjustified. There are numerous Orthodox Christians which openly condemn statements by the Russian Patriarch, as well as, the self appointed Ukrainian Patriarch. You also have a very poor understanding of Orthodox doctrine, teachings, and scripture. Even Paul tells us, "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15. So both Scripture and Tradition help us in growing our faith. You want to claim Sola Scriptura, well that is a quote straight from Paul's mouth. Why would Paul say this? Because at the time he wrote this letter to the Church of Thessalonica, there was no "scripture" except the Old Testament. None of the gospels had been written, neither the Book of Acts, no Revelation, none. It wouldn't be until several more years before the first, most likely the Gospel of Mark was actually written (some would argue their may have been one that proceeded this, but it is most likely lost to history). So when you say, Orthodox follow man-made traditions - what were all the churches that Paul and the Apostles preached to following? It was what these teachings, and the teachings of the early church fathers (those who were taught by the Apostles) that have become tradition. Further, several councils throughout Church history have been convened to determine "tradition", for example the Nicene Creed, the nature of Christ, the Holy Spirit, basically all the things that today we call church doctrine is completely based on Scripture and Church Tradition/Teachings. So, I say this in a very Christian way - before you point the finger at others so broadly, remove the log from your own eye! The spirit of division does not come from Christ, so our efforts are more successful when we strive to uphold the Gospel of Jesus. Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." John 10:27-28 I pray you seek Truth, for it will truly set you free.
Josiah Trenham said when Paul died he left them with "two little epistles." No, he left them with a complete Old Testament, and nearly complete New Testament. We documented our claims. Church fathers and ecumenical councils contradict one another. Please try engaging the content of the video with more than emotion and name-calling. We document even more Eastern Orthodox lies in our most recent videos. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html If what we're saying is wrong, try to document it. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
@@ancientpathstv I will pray for your immortal souls. According to you, all "Christians" prior to Luther went to Hell? I think your understanding of the Bible is twisted, your understanding of the accepted Church Councils is wrong (even according to Luther). Further, there was no New Testament when Paul was killed. It hadn't been completed yet. There were merely letters flying around between various early churches. I think you should spend more time studying and not guessing, because if you open your own study Bible, it will most likely give you the dates when the Gospels and letters were written. However, they weren't compiled together until much later. Like Jesus said to the woman at the well, "You worship what you do not know" and you point your finger at things you do not completely understand. There's nothing wrong with that, but before wrongly pointing your finger, you need to ensure your standing on biblically solid ground, because in these cases you're not. I don't know why these days American Christians feel they need to attack Orthodox Christians. You would not have the faith you practice today without the Orthodox Church holding to the original teachings of the Apostles and Early Church Fathers. Ask any pastor and/or theologian, and he/she will agree. I pray God blesses you and you spend more time spreading the Gospel instead of attacking fellow Christians because of the way they express their faith in worship.
This makes no sense. If the Eastern Orthodox Church is a failure then why is the Holy Spirit not only in my Church, but actively transforming the Eucharist into the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ as I, and others, partake in it?
@@ancientpathstv What would be the point in that? Would we debate like Western rationalists? You will say this, I will say that, yet your opinion, unchanged by the Holy Spirit, will remain the same. Yet the Holy Spirit will remain in my Church and bless the faithful with Sacraments and miracles.
@@jonf4287 You make truth claims in calling your critics "rationalists," but then dematerialize into a mysticism that makes you comfortable in your lies. I encourage you to have the courage not to play such games.
@@jonf4287 you mean the blood and flesh of all slavic and orthodox peoples flowing since 2000 years, defeat after defeat, islam, communism, western imperialism etc...half your lands are gone...your women disgraced, children converted...orthodoxy is a huge failure
@@ancientpathstv The only claim to truth that I've made is that the Holy Spirit performs transubstantiation of our Eucharist. I've not called anyone anything.
As an ex protestant for over 35 years.. watching this fills me with grief and embarrassment for protestants that are missing out on so much. So misguided in a world of protestant theological ideas. Lost in a buffet of 30,000 options. This is the fruit of rejecting Tradition and this mentality of every man for himself "theology" rooted in 'Sola Scriptura'. The most rotten fruit no doubt is the reformed bunch, who’s puppet master god decrees sin be committed then sends his puppets to hell… except of course for those lucky puppets the puppet master forced to love him. Truly sick.
@@culpepper7665 As I constantly have to remind Mormons, a response isn't necessarily an answer. I'm scheduled to appear on Craig Truglia's show next week.
14:50 - What??? Paul did not write or leave a bible, he wrote like 7 letters not the Gospels or Revelations. The Church tells us what is Canon. 19:15 - Refuted by Joshua 7:6 - Thanks for selling me on Orthodoxy
Paul left a complete Old Testament, a complete Pauline corpus, the Book of Acts, and probably most of the rest of the New Testament. You seem to think the church waited centuries before knowing what came from the apostles. Irenaeus in the second century didn't. He named all four gospels, quoted from them, and rejected the counterfeits. Try again.
It’s funny how hubris many Protestants are when they think they know the scriptures better than those who have the same mindset as those who wrote it. Think of the scriptures like a camcorder with all of your early family vacations. You are showing them to your grandchildren. Do the videos have the entirety of what was said done on those vacations? No, the have the highlights, and important moments. But as Paul said, there were some things that were written, and some things that were taught verbally in person. Yes we have everything we need in the Holy Scriptures, but the menu is not the meal. The meal is found in the Orthodox life which the Scriptures describe.
We document the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, and the best you can offer in rebuttal is a bad analogy? Eastern Orthodoxy can't provide a single word of Paul's teaching other than what's in the Bible. It simply claims everything it does is based on oral tradition. We demonstrate that what you insist is was delivered orally contradicts not only the Scriptures, but the faith of the early church.
One day, maybe even soon, all of us who profess faith in Christ will be undeniably united under the sword of persecution. The EO, RC, and protestant alike will be united because when persecution is global it will not matter one bit which sect any of us belong to, only who our Lord is. Declaring anathama on those who have faith in Christ is really a luxury the EO church takes for granted, because there will come a day when whether they like it or not they'll be considered by the world to be equal to the protestant. Also every time I hear the EO pray the anathama to the protestant prayer the ONLY thing I can think of is the parable of the pharisee and the tax collector. God have mercy on us all. Great Video!!!
Great stuff! There are barely any well-researched resources out there from Protestants regarding Eastern Orthodoxy, so I'm overjoyed and blown away by the release of this documentary. Thank you for all of the hard work it no doubt took to put this documentary together -- may it build up and strengthen any Protestants struggling with the claims of Eastern Orthodoxy 🙏
"As the numbers of people dissatisfied with protestantism and whom inquire into Orthodoxy continually increases, the more desperate, inaccurate and slanderous the critics become, and more videos intended for retention purposes will be made." well said
Great job of avoiding all the issues in the video. As with Hannegraaf, most converts were never confessional Protestants. They've exchanged one feeling-based religion for another. We actually engage Eastern Orthodox arguments, while you make gratuitous assertions about slander, without offering any evidence.
Statistically, Protestants and Roman Catholicism are continually growing worldwide (Protestants faster than Catholics) while Eastern Orthodox is declining in numbers and giving way to new protestant movements in predominantly orthodox countries. Don’t let the EO orthobro internet fad fool you. The loudest voice is not always the largest. You’re better off engaging the arguments presented than continuing in a triumphal delusion.
@@OrangeRaft that’s just a silly comment. Most of the growth of Protestantism is in the global south in places like Africa that take hard stances against homosexuality.
This is still one of the best videos on UA-cam. It really highlights Rome’s and the East’s accretions. It inspired me to look into 1st through 3rd century churches. It’s helped me a lot into finding resources for evangelizing and teaching in my church.
Pastor Jason, I'm pivoting here from my previous, argumentative thread to say this: You are by far the best Protestant apologist I've encountered, and the depth of your research and engagement with history is incredible. Plus the love and effort you clearly poured into the production quality, something severely lacking in this corner of the internet... truly impressive work. I'm glad you mentioned your interview with Craig Truglia--I'm watching it now, and I feel like it's providing some vital context for your work here. I understand the tone of this video in a way I hadn't, and I very much appreciate your strong skepticism. You bring up a lot of good challenges to Orthodoxy, and though I may disagree with many of your conclusions, that only makes them more valuable to encounter. So, thank you! And keep up the good work.
I used it because it nicely summarizes the Eastern position on Helvidius. Helvidius was pre-Chalcedon. Like many American Coptic priests, Fr. Abraham Wassif is a St. Vladimir's graduate, who's articulating the same thing an Eastern Orthodox priest would say, but because it's coming from a Copt, it's supposedly suspect. It demonstrates that Eastern Orthodox will grasp at anything to claim I know nothing and ignore the overwhelming evidence against their position.
@@ancientpathstvI see. I'm Oriental Orthodox and watched your video fully (took 3 days to get through it all). Good production and editing I will give you that just a marathon to watch.
@@famicommike9014 Thank you! There was a lot of information to pack in. 🙂 I could have done a whole lot more, but I was trying to crystallize the main issues and yet deal with them substantively. I've had Eastern Orthodox not only complain about Wassif, but even the clip of Patriarch Kirill. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv well if it means anything, the EO don't even recognize the Oriental Orthodox churches like the Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, etc etc as Orthodox since the Council of Chalcedon. On a funny but odd note, My Greek Fat Wedding the movie of all things did introduce me to Orthodoxy back in 2009.
That's why we aren't so-called Orthodox. We believe in salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, according to the Scriptures alone, to the glory of God alone.
Kyrill is merely stating that a soldier has not sinned. He has committed a righteous act in fulfilling his duty to his nation. You have to be wilfully ignorant here.
The Mormons play the same game of mocking their critics, rather than trying to answer their argumentation. A day of judgment is coming when you'll regret your foolishness.
@@SamuelWysocki We see the same thing from Eastern Orthodox as we see from Mormons. Instead of engaging the evidence, they mock and "bear their testimony."
I’ve been searching through the internet, through books, and through the scriptures for the truest form of Christianity. It’s so hard and there’s so much out there. Thank you for this resource. Thank you for especially going to primary sources instead of playing the telephone game. Thank you for hearing out the other side and not shouting curses or damnations. As someone who has been searching into Catholicism and Orthodoxy (Eastern and Oriental) as well as the different expressions of Protestantism, it has been a weary search. I’m nowhere near the end of that search but I have more fuel to the fire thanks to this video. Of the many debate and dialectic videos I’ve seen, this is without a doubt one of the greatest. Perhaps the greatest in a response to Orthodoxy (which doesn’t have much opposition at this time). May God bless you and keep you and the team that helped you make this video. I pray that you have the strength to continue to pursue the Way, the Truth, and the Life- our Lord Jesus Christ. I ask that you pray the same for me. Don’t know if you’ll see this comment but I hope you will be encouraged and continue with the channel! PS. This may be too forward of me but if you were to make a video comparing the classical branches of Protestantism (Anglican, Reformed, Lutheran, and others if any) in such depth as this video that would be much appreciated! God bless and thank you again! And to all you Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May your search for the Truth be blessed with the experience of the person of the risen Christ. I consider each of you who does the will of our Lord as my brothers and sisters. Let us pursue Christ and be filled with love for Him above all else. Let us stand together in Christ and look to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the age to come. But until that day, let us continue to fight not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darkness. God bless you all.
Thank you for the kind note. Please check out our other videos on this channel, including An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics and The Atheist Illusion. If you're looking for a perfect church, God makes clear in the Scripture that you won't find it in this world, but that doesn't mean you can't find faithful churches. There is a qualitative difference between those who tremble at God's Word and those who don't. I also encourage you to watch the debate I did with the pastor of First Baptist Church of Salt Lake City. I'm not much of a debater, but I think it was made clear that as with the Pharisees of old, there are those who hide from God in religion. Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. Stay in God's Word, on your knees, and in fellowship with His people. If I can be of assistance, contact me through www.gospelutah.org.
It might be incredibly frustrating and disappointing to see how little engagement Eastern Orthodox are willing to participate in, but I've heard they actually have an incredibly rigorous and compelling counter-critique to every point you made. ... it's just only passed down through oral tradition 😏
Lord willing, in a few weeks, we'll have a new video out, detailing the story of the 17th-century Patriarch Cyril Lucaris. Their "oral tradition" about him doesn't stand up so well to the documentation that the modern age makes available. They rejected his attempts to reform the church, conspired with the Roman Catholics, falsely accused him to the Turks, and then claimed him as a martyr for Orthodoxy. They venerate the icon of the man who publicly denounced the veneration of icons.
Thank you Jesus for your Spirit giving me eyes to see and ears to hear the truth of Your Word in the Bible. Thank you for showing me that true orthodoxy isn't to be found in medieval fictions.
@@noicemanMatthew 15:8-9 NASB1995 [8] ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. [9] But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ ” Orthodox are the new Pharisees
We offered documented evidence. You offer name-calling with zero evidence. We expose more Eastern Orthodox lies in our latest video. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
@@heisenberg4996 According to Merriam-Webster, name-calling is, "the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective consideration of the facts." We offered documented facts. All you've offered in rebuttal are opinions. Baseless assertions aren't facts.
@@dimitrisiliadis4939 Arbitrarily assigning a "grade" is name calling. It's a gratuitous assertion and bad argumentation. We offered documented evidence. All you offer is bluster. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Although this video has some good points (some of which I have no answer for as I am not a scholar), I still think Eastern Orthodoxy provides a better foundation than Reformed Christianity. The spiritual practice of the EO church is far superior than anything I found in Protestantism. Protestantism, generally speaking, has severed itself from the history of the Church; never did I hear about the lives of the saints, nor did I hear about the Ecumenical Councils. Beauty has also been stripped from many Reformed churches, which grieves me, as art can be used to glorify God and educate parishoners. The church calendar has been done away with for no good reason; the church calendar helps us Christians to remember and celebrate important events in history. I truly cannot go back to Reformed Christianity, it is spiritually malnourished. I think EO has the Gospel of Christ. My only critique of Orthodoxy is that it needs to evangelize more and needs to address parishes that have become 'ethnic clubs'. May God bless you.
Your experience doesn't sound very Protestant. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed every week. As demonstrated in our most recent video, Eastern Orthodox anathematize Protestants and ask God that we be unforgiven in this life and the next, so instead of sharing your subjective opinion, how about actually dealing with the evidence? God has spoken, and presented a radically different gospel than Eastern Orthodoxy. You ignore Him at your peril. Here's the most recent video, which demonstrates even more Eastern Orthodox lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
@@ancientpathstv Well, sorry to burst your bubble but it was a 'Protestant experience'; I have attended Anglican, Presbyterian and Baptist churches, and the only one to recite the creed were the Anglicans (who didn't even follow their BCP - what a joke). I believe the anathemas are in place as a warning to those who willingly cause theological chaos and dissent. Do you think the resulting theological chaos of the Reformation is a blessing or a good thing? One of my biggest gripes with Protestantism is its proposal of 'Branch Theory', as it isn't compatible with the writings of the Apostles, nor the Nicene Creed, nor the Saints who succeeded the Apostles. Catholicity isn't found in multiplicity of doctrine, rather, it is found in unity of doctrine and the Eucharist (I found that out the hard way over the past few years). I simply cannot fathom the idea that Christ's church apostatised on fundamental issues at such a wide level, so early on, only for it to be 'corrected' by the Reformers centuries later. It calls into question the providence of God and Christ's words that the 'Gates of Hades shall not prevail'. One thing I have gathered from your video, and other critics of Orthodoxy, is that people don't like the exclusivity of the Orthodox Church. To me, that criticism makes no sense, especially when I hear it from Calvinists (such as yourself), as they are literally the most exclusive Christians in existence (James White is a prime example). All I can say about these 'lies', the ones you speak of, is that maybe you're just misinterpreting the data? I don't know. May God bless you and guide you.
@@kyrie-eleison-23 The "most exclusive Christians in the world"? I find that funny. Dr. White (a Baptist) has preached numerous times in our Presbyterian church and shared communion with us. Meanwhile Eastern Orthodoxy calls for me to be unforgiven in this life and the next. How about actually dealing with the content of the video?
St Gregory Palamas: "Man was led into his captivity when he experienced God's wrath, this wrath being the good God's just abandonment of man. God had to be reconciled with the human race, for otherwise mankind could not be set free from the servitude. A sacrifice was needed to reconcile the Father on high with us and to sanctify us, since we had been soiled by fellowship with the evil one. There had to be a sacrifice which both cleansed and was clean, and a purified and sinless priest"
I was orthdodox before but after seeing your video I am still a orthdodox.☦️
@@ancientpathstv Well,english is not my first language but I wanted to say what I think.From what I have expirienced in orthodox church after holy mysteries, gives me confidence to say that Holy Spirit is in this church,I don't know for Catholic church and no one can tell me different.What I felt after my first confession can not compare with anything from this world!Of course this is something very personal but I have to write this because I know It's true what I wrote.I'm sorry if I don't write correct words.
@@norah327 You're ignoring not only everything in the video, but what Jesus and His apostles said in the Bible.
@@ancientpathstv No I don't.I don't want to argue with you.I respect what you said in the video but I don't agree.
@@norah327 To allow one self to see the errors of some traditions that are held by either our church or others is not the same as rejecting what God has done in your life. Nothing limits the Lord from ministering to you when you come with humbleness of heart and confess before Him, and His Spirit reaches all who are lowly of heart and calls upon the name of the Lord.
We are many who have been blessed by the Lord and experienced His love and forgiveness, of all branches and streams of Christianity, something to be glad for!
However, to close ones eyes to the failures and lacks that are, in spite of our experiences, present in our churchly practices and our understandings of the history of the faith and Church, is not the way to continue.
We have the tendency to cling on to the instruments through which we experience grace, and the love of the Lord Jesus Christ, but we will do well in remembering that it is the Lord Himself we should cling on to, and not the instruments and human mediators. Stay honest to what is true, and when the truth is revealed do not reject it because of what is familiar and seems safe.
God bless you, sister
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As a confessional Lutheran, I do in fact reject the Calvinist teaching of iconoclasm. However, I am in agreement on the matter of rejecting iconodulia as well. My understanding is that images of Christ and the saints can be helpful in prayer and devotion if witnessed, and can rouse piety in a man upon laying eyes on it, just as the same would be for one who sees an image of the Cross of our Lord. Yet, I would also never say it is necessary that these images be made not venerated. It’s a happy middle, as far as I’m concerned.
Frankfurt > Hieria and Nicaea 2
Reformed theology-qua-reformed theology is not inherently iconoclastic. Between icondulia (the position of the 2nd Nicene creed) and iconoclasm, there is a middle position-- Aniconism which distinguishes between religious art which can be legitimate and have pedagogical value on the one hand, and icondulia which is the theologically imposed necessity of venerating images under the threat of anathema, which it rejects. Many reformed folks (myself included) fall into this camp. Your comment reeks of gross reductionism.
The Orthodox Church in the US is seeing an increase in new converts while the Protestant denominations are in decline. As Protestants get more woke, the faithful look for a more ancient authentic faith. They start attending divine liturgical services and they find a home in Orthodox Church. At my parish many young men seeking the truth convert and they bring their families. So we are growing. My recommendation is attend a local parish and experience the Orthodox Way for yourself.
Here in Germany people are leaving Catholic and orthodox churches en masse, only the Bible only/born again Christians are getting more and more every day.
@@mkbr1992 and Protestants are growing more than any other tradition worldwide including orthodox countries. We can’t confuse the online orthobro fad with reality.
Great job of avoiding all the issues in the video.
@@eremiasranwolf3513 I mean, aren’t you kind of larping as a Protestant by trying to fit in with them by condemning the Orthodox, despite being a Papist?
Also, how is that Papist prophecy by a literal child about Russia’s conversion to Papism going?
@@mkbr1992 The overall amount of the Orthodox can still be dwindling overall while the amount of converts increases. These aren’t mutually exclusive.
I know that in my parish last year we received more converts than any other year in the history of our parish.
Tragically, like the Judaism of Paul’s time, Orthodoxy fails to accept the fact that there are people of true faith outside its own sacred doors. ✔️
join the broad road
@@danube466 I stand firmly behind my assessment of the exclusivity of the Orthodox Church. Be assured that there is a small believing remnant in every Christian denomination. ✔️
Staying Eastern Orthodox till death, thank you for clarifying! You deceiving us will not help you escape eternal hell!
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16
@@ancientpathstvYou're not St. Paul. What you think is truth is just prelest
@@whiteoctober4582 I don't claim to be Paul. I'm showing you what Paul said in the Bible, and you ignore it.
@@ancientpathstv he said it about himself, not for you to use out of context or even worse to describe yourself using his own quote about himself
@@whiteoctober4582 I've demonstrated the truth from the Scriptures and church history. If name-calling is the best defense you have for Eastern Orthodoxy, you really need to reconsider it.
Seems to be a very honest evaluation of the councils and errors and contradictions that have occurred still watching. Thank you for this.
Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us, sinners.
UA-cam channel called "ancientpathstv" being run by a Presbyterian.
The irony is not lost on me
You are not ancient either. You are a follower of 7th century John of Damascus. You could even follow Muhammad by your own standards.
Go ahead and mock. Keep telling yourself Eastern Orthodoxy is what has been believed everywhere, always, by all. Ignore all the evidence to the contrary. One day you will stand before a holy God and answer for having loved a lie.
@@mmore242 Did you watch the video?
@@ancientpathstv Right, and God revealed the totality of the true Christianity in the 16th century by a 20 year old lawyer, ordained by nobody, self-appointed corrector of apparently over a thousand years of error. Good luck entrusting your salvation to that. Not all that different than the claim of the muslims that the crucifixion was a phantasm that Allah was perfectly happy to let people believe in and be damned for 600 years for no reason but his own glory. Not that different from Calvinism, in fact you think God turned a blind eye for longer.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
☦☦☦ LORD HAVE MERCY! JESUS CHRIST! SON OF GOD, HAVE MERCY ON ME, A SINNER! ☦☦☦
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16
Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out.
-Acts 3:19
Please go to a PCA Presbyterian or OPC Presbyterian church, or maybe a Rpcna/Rpc Presbyterian church
If you can’t find one of the conservative presby churches then, maybe a Lcms or Wels Lutheran church.
If you are Scottish, I recommend the Free Church of Scotland, they are Presbyterian
If you are English I recommend the Free Church of England
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@@peterorthodox360 Our foundation is the Bible and the testimony of the early church, not a bunch of medieval fictions.
@@ancientpathstv Your Calvinism is built on the foundation of lies
@@houbertcanitio2199you quite literally just called holy scripture “a mountain of lies” see that’s what EO and RC don’t seem to understand. Every time you call us heretics you’re calling holy scripture heresy or you don’t understand sola scriptura. You cling to your traditions, you know, that thing the Pharisees used to nullify scripture. Who has the most “holy traditions” EO and RC. Now stay with me here, who argues against scripture more than anyone? EO and RC. Do you seriously think your church is infallible to falling into sin like the Pharisees?
Leave it to the Presbyterians to do actual research 👏
@@IanErickson-z2ggo cry idol worshipper
I was once a protestant and once I looked into church history I am now on my way to being an Orthodox Catechumen! All Glory to God!
Mormons say the same. Instead of listening to God's Word and the historic testimony of the church, they invent their own history and bear their testimony. I pray for them, as I pray for you, that God will open their eyes, and they'll stop loving lies.
@@ancientpathstv Baptists say it Presbyterians say they are the original church. So do Amish and Pentecostals. The Orthodox and Catholics can trace their roots to Jesus and Not John Calvin and John Knox.
@@ridingthecosmos6273 We documented the contrary in the video. Instead of engaging the arguments, you just bluster.
@@icxcnika2037 Rant, rant, rant. If you could answer the evidence you would, but you can't.
Eastern Orthodoxy Documentary is solid 🪨 I'm not Prostestant I'm a Catholic who loves Jesus Christ & that's What the Church Father's wants. Jesus Christ Said to follow the will of the Father. Eastern Orthodox are becoming National isolated Churches supported by Russia, the American Orthodox doesn't agree with ROCOR. Schism since 2018 in Eastern Orthodoxy just facts. 🙏🗝️🗝️
Before watching this, I was Orthodox. After watching this I am still Orthodox and will be until the day my soul departs this earth
Mormons love their lies too.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
The quote mining in the first 5 minutes is already laughable.
Irenaeus, in the same book III of Against Heresies, affirms tradition passed down by the presbyters and clergy. In Chapter IV of Book III he even more clearly lays out how the Church keeps the truth and apostolic tradition.
Unbelievable.
The rhetorical games you're playing are laughable. "Quote mining" and "cherry-picking" are terms used when people can't actually demonstrate that a quote is taken out of context. You've set up a straw man, where oral tradition is equal to Scripture or ignored. It's neither. Irenaeus said what he said. The quote calls the Scriptures the "pillar and ground of our faith" and flies in the face of those who want to subordinate them to traditions that contradict them and one another.
This point is utterly humiliating, and laughable, Eastern Orthodox quote mind 7th Century quotes made by Heterodox to support their ideals. Not only that but there are whole letters written about the idolization of icons (Letter LI. From Epiphanius, Bishop of Salamis, in Cyprus, to John, Bishop of Jerusalem) which is mentioned in this video if you even watched it.
@@ancientpathstvSt Paul said the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Logic itself will tell you this.
@@gsnow2526 Do you think Irenaeus was oblivious to Paul's statement? Do you think it somehow negates what he said? Please stop playing games.
@ancientpathstv exactly. Hence, when you read more of Ireneus you see his acceptance of Apostolic tradition and Apostolic sucession
Thank you so much for this brilliant exposition of church history and the power of the scripture alone. I considered Eastern Orthodoxy for some time as I was drawn to the aesthetics and the way it advertises itself as taking the faith more seriously, but the de-emphasizing of the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement and the heretical asceticism that is viewed as a virtue in the tradition are unacceptable. This context on the history of orthodoxy and the twisting of the truth that has slowly corrupted the movement is so important, as many in the west who are ignorant of this history are in danger of falling into this sect that attributes the teachings of man to God. Don’t be discouraged by the hate and slander coming from the orthodox community. I pray that they would listen to your points and that their eyes would be opened to the ways in which their doctrine lacks a firm foundation in the word of God. Please continue to speak the truth of the scripture with boldness🙏
Thank you for your kind encouragement!
This is straight up protestant propaganda Lord have mercy on this heresy.
This is straight up Eastern Orthodox evasion. 🙂 We documented our arguments. How about trying to refute them with more than name-calling?
@@ancientpathstv Jay Dyer and David Patrick Harry will be MORE than happy to hold a public debate with you. Something tells me you wont dare go on with them to defend your position...
@@majorian4897 Wrong again! I'm going on Craig Truglia's podcast Friday. I've not heard from Dyer or anyone else. If the arguments in the video are just "Protestant propaganda," shouldn't you be able to rebut them with something more than name-calling?
set up the debate... or just mock and talk @@majorian4897
@@ancientpathstv First of all the Orthodox Christians have been around a lot longer than even the oldest Protestant Church's so to suggest they don't practice the faith the way the oldest Christians practice it is just false the Orthodox Church's have not changed where Protestant/Catholic Church's have changed a lot. The Catholic Church has become more like you guys with Vatican 2 even though there is still a small faction called the Saint Pious X society overall they've changed a lot allowing sexual predators in as Priest and the Protestant Church's have changed even more you have WOMEN PASTORS that is forbidden and how many Protestant Minister's are there that are greedy con artist's from the mega church's etc. Christianity of the East (Orthodox) has monasticism where as Christianity of the West (Protestant/Catholic) has corrupted Christmas into believing in a man who flies around the world once a year and you've corrupted Easter into believing in a great big bunny rabbit. You also legitimize the marriage of a man with another man and a woman with another woman. Let's also not forget the Crusades and Colonialism all done by Christianity of the West not Christianity of the East and in more recent times you guys have waged wars against Islam in the 2000's and 2010's and now your waging a war on the Orthodox Christians with your proxy war against Russia so you are in no position to talk about the (failure of Eastern Orthodox).
Amen to that! 7 years i spent in this Gospel of asceticism which is no Gospel. It almost led me to renounce my marriage and hed for Athos! Praise God for his Glorious true Gospel of Free Grace.
I am not sure how one can say that the Council of Hieria is rejected by Orthodox because it sounds Protestant. Doesn't your video show that the 7th Ecumenical Council was established prior to Protestantism? If you are saying that Orthodox today pick and choose which councils to accept based on their reaction to Protestantism it reveals a deeper misunderstanding and misrepresenting of how tradition functions in Orthodoxy. There is nothing in your quote of the Council of Hieria that sounds Protestant. It speaks of accepting what was handed down from the earlier councils and not of searching the Scriptures as the final authority. Just imagine an OPC General Assembly saying the same thing about these first six councils and you will understand my point.
Also, the icons are just a manifestation of an underlying orientation to the saints that wsa held by both iconoclasts of Hieria and the iconophiles of the 7th Ecumenical Council. Both councils believed in the intercession of the Saints - a dogma that was ubiquitous and pre-Nicea. The iconoclasts believed what no Reformed Protestant believes - that holiness is mediated through material things like water, the Eucharist and the symbol of the Cross. This is the failure of Protestantism.
The Apostles did not just leave us Scripture, they imparted their very lives to their successors. That way of life was passed on by the Fathers and preserved by the Church. I spent over 20 years in Protestant churches. The only time the Fathers and Saints were mentioned was to criticize them. If anything good was mentioned about Athanasius or Polycarp or Augustine it was only with qualification that they were in error on many points. For example, Protestants would not accept the views of Athanasius put forth in his Life of Anthony so why should we take seriously anything they quote from Athanasius to make him sound like a Protestant. There is no mechanism in Protestant churches like yours for honor to the Fathers because they don't belong to you. You don't receive them. Sadly, you are orphans. That is the failure of Protestantism.
The Council of Hieria was the first to address icons and declared John of Damascus a heretic. They didn't have the label "Protestant," but, like those who would later be called Protestants, they argued from Scripture. The Second Council of Nicaea declared John of Damacus a saint and relied on his fake history of oral tradition.
Just as it is fallible today, the church has always been fallible. There are fathers who are more and less faithful to the Scriptures. That doesn't mean we ignore them. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed in every worship service. None of the early fathers support icons or your gospel. You can make all kinds of gratuitous assertions to the contrary, but that doesn't make them true.
@ancientpathstv Please explain... what is the point of reciting a creed if you don't belong to the body that formed that creed and you reject everything else that they stood for? Why use a creed at all?
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Thank you so much for putting together all this information, it was very comprehensive and exactly what I was looking for. God bless you 🙏🙏
Thank you!
At around 13:10 the narrator compares St Athansius and St Make of Ephes to Luther and Calvin, satjng that their opposal to councels is the same as as Luther's and Calvin's. The big difference is that the first were part of Christ's church and were already proven teachers and honored with the highest rank of bishops and the second were 2 people who had 500 years separation from the truth and never came to know Orthodoxy. The comparison is just not equal.
The point is that councils have erred. They contradict not only the Scriptures, but one another. The ultimate authority isn't Athanasius, Luther or Calvin, but God's clear teaching in the Bible.
@@ancientpathstv Councils led by heresiarchs are false (As Saints Athanasius and Mark of Ephesus were against) Do you not get that?!
But the rejection of all councils as binding as Luther and Calvin resorted to is going overboard beyond the recognition of false councils
@@willtheperson7224 Did you actually watch the whole video?
@@ancientpathstv I'm watching it, and I find this video on par with the Dimond Brothers videos against us when it comes to academic dishonesty
@@willtheperson7224 Name-calling and avoidance of the evidence are signs that what you're defending is a lie. How about actually engaging the documented history and arguments from Scripture?
I agree with Fr. Josiah Trenham. His book Rock & Sand exposes Protestantism's failure.
Appeals to authority make for poor argumentation. If you bothered to watch the video, you'd see that we document his lies. We hope to be exposing more in an upcoming video on this channel.
@@ancientpathstv please. You're wasting my time. You appeal to your own fallacious authority that came about in the 16th Century. History is not on your side.
@@dustinneely I give documented evidence. You just make gratuitous assertions.
@@ancientpathstv claims do not equal evidence.
@@dustinneely We've documented our evidence from original sources. Instead of engaging the evidence, you're just claiming it's wrong. Engage the evidence and try to prove your case.
Brilliant presentation. Thank you for showing the truth of scripture vs man made tradition.(former Roman Catholic and now Presbyterian)
Thank you! And praise God! 🙂
You might also enjoy our followup video on Cyril Lucaris and this one. ua-cam.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/v-deo.html
All other forms of Christianity failed to call me to Christ, so Orthodoxy has not failed. I would have died an atheist if the only church I ever knew of was Presbyterian.
The Pharisees were thought to be the most devout Jews. Jesus told them they were of their father, the devil. Rejecting the Jesus of the Bible takes many forms.
What would you say to those whom Eastern Orthodoxy failed to call to Christ, yet who came to Christ through a reformation tradition?
I would say glory to God. Calvinism failed me personally, and perhaps others, but I wouldn't go as far as to make a 2 hour long video saying that it has failed in total; and nor would I make non sequitur remarks about Pharisees in the comments of such a video.
@@machinotaur I'm glad to hear that. I also say glory to God for those who find Christ through Eastern Orthodoxy (or Calvinism, which I disagree with as well). But I think it's important to recognize wherever any tradition has departed from the original faith delivered through the apostles, so that we can hold fast to what is historic.
@@ancientpathstvThese are very interesting details to discuss. Thank you for compiling them. Coming from someone who is not EO, it seems very radical to say that EO reject the “Jesus of the Bible”. Some of the most humble Christians I learn from are EO, and some of the most prideful are “reformed” Christians. All are zealous for orthodoxy. We cannot be so quick to judge.
I was Orthodox before watching this video but now that I’ve watched the entire video I’m 100% staying Orthodox. Thanks for the video 🙏🏼☦️
Words you may regret for all eternity.
@@ancientpathstv So are only the "reformed" Christians going to heaven? Say you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, are you disqualified?
@@imaginedreamingofficial3432 Instead of trying to put words in our mouths, how about answering what we actually said?
@@ancientpathstv You said he may regret being Orthodox for all eternity.
Unless you're some completely new brand of heretic, which is entirely possible given that you're Protestant, what you mean by that, since you're Presbyterians and thus entirely predictable, is that he's going to Hell because he's Orthodox. Unless Presbyterians now believe in some middle state, like purgatory? What else is eternal regret but Hell?
You're not deep and mysterious, and we're not stupid.
@ancientpathstv
You have already been disproven by a few brothers and all Fathers of the faith since 32ad.
Guess your the only one that hasn't seen that.
I think what protestants are trying to say to the EO camp is, we believe that you dont practice in ways that we say you practice. For example, when asking most EO people, ' are those outside of the EO church not saved?" Most Eo people I have talked to will say, yes they could be but that is for God to decide. Truthfully, I agree with that, that is for God to decide. But the problem is, is that you have ecumenical councils that say the opposite. Basically saying that if you are not part of the EO church then you are not saved. So if you claim to be the true church. Then you must believe what they believed back in the day. If a modern EO person says I can possibly be saved outside of the EO church, then my simple response is that you do not even know your own history.
Be sure to check out our latest video on Patriarch Cyril Lucaris. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
I think I already commented but I have to say what an amazing job you did. This great work of love and compassion educates people from going into the darkness of Eastern Orthodoxy! Soli Deo Gloria!
Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!
Give me a break....smh i converted from a protestant reformed tradition many year's ago to orthodox faith. That was back in 2003. Then that reformed tradition was split on minor doctrinal disagreements, now its over what is a trans and gays being legally married. Smh. I thank God im Orthodox today. Thank you Lord. Lord help those struggling to leave false denominations to find true Church in Orthodoxy Faith.
Mormons also appeal to divisions among others and "bear their testimony" as a way of ignoring that their church is a lie and their gospel unbiblical. How about realizing that schism and heresy are both sins?
orthodox church never schismated though
thank goodness someone with common sense
@ancientpathstv that's fool hardy to say as any Christian should know The Mormon Organization is heretical to begin with and not Christian. Why compare apples and oranges? But the fruits of Mormonism are posion . There is no comparison. I would also point out Hank Hanagraf the Bible Answer man had all his questions answered by Holy Mother Church Orthodoxy. May you also 🙏 ☺️
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
The only true Church of Christ. Orthodox Church. God bless you all. ☦️
Lies are truth?
We took the time to hear Eastern Orthodox claims and engage its arguments. Like a Mormon, you ignore all the evidence and testify to what you want to be true. May God bless you with a hunger for the truth.
@@ancientpathstv Because we abide in the truth, we can never be hungry. And we drink from living water, so we can't even get thirsty...
@@alek27e Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Gospel of Matthew 7:21-23
@@ancientpathstv That's a dry belief of yours. Just brandishing Bible quotes...nothing new. Goodbye.
The Church will stand against all heresies, even the Protestant heresy. Your churches will die out, but the Church of Christ will endure forever. ☦️
When Mormons can't answer their critics, they also "bear their testimony."
I am Eastern Orthodox. The five sola are false doctrine, and Reformed theology is heresy.
@@SuperOverlord999 But you play the same games as Mormons. You make gratuitous assertions and refuse to actually engage your critics' arguments.
@ancientpathstv John Chrysostom, an Eastern Father, was very familiar with Pauline thought. In Chrysostom’s sermon on Ephesians 1:4-5, he asked why God chose us:
And why did [God] choose us? ‘That we should be holy and blameless before him.’ So that you may not suppose, when you hear that he chose us, that faith alone is sufficient, he goes on to refer to manner of life. This, he says, is the reason and the purpose of his choice-that we should be holy and blameless… Being holy is a matter of sharing in faith; being blameless is a matter of living an irreproachable life (Homilies on Ephesians, 1, 1-2).
Lactantius (AD 240-320), a Western Father, continues this same thought:
Labors that are endured and overcome all the way up until death, cannot fail to obtain a reward….And this reward can be nothing else but immortality (The Divine Institutes, Bk. III, ch. XII).
And again:
The spirit must earn immortality by the works of righteousness (Bk. IV, ch. XXV).
Theophilus (approx. AD 180), an Eastern Father, spoke of a life of doing well and obeying God’s command to procure salvation:
To those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek immortality, He will give eternal life everlasting life” (Theophilus to Autolycus, Bk. I, ch. XIII). “For man drew death upon himself by disobeying. So, by obeying the will of God, he who wants to can procure for himself life everlasting (Bk. II, ch. XXVII).
Irenaeus, a Western Father, in his writings, Against Heresies, Book I, confirms the necessity of a life of love and holiness, as well as keeping our Lord’s commandments in order to receive eternal life:
But to the righteous and holy, and those who have kept his commandments and have remained in his love…he will by his grace give life incorrupt, and will clothe them with eternal glory (ch.10:1).
@@ancientpathstvYour doctrine of Sola Fide is unknown to the Fathers of the Church.
Leave it to the guys that appeared in the 16th century to tell the church of christ how wrong it is. You can't keep the same narrative yourselves. If I went to 4 protestant churches, all will have different ideas about the bible.
Did you even watch the video? You engage nothing in it. We didn't "appear" in the 16th century, and Patriarch Bartholomew accuses Patriarch Kirill of promoting "pseudo-religion." How about dealing with what Jesus and His apostles actually said?
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
I’ve yet to hear the Gospel from an orthodox Christian
they deny penal substitutionary atonement, original sin, grace along by faith alone
of course they're not gonna have a true gospel
@@jalapeno.tabasco Yeah, we reject heresy.
@@Benjamin-bq7tc imagine calling the gospel heresy...
@@Benjamin-bq7tcYou really like a BIG FAT LIE
Orthodox share the gospel every single service. All their services are lead from scripture directly and they read the bible as a CHURCH to avoid people making their own iinterpretations, they also partake in the eucharist. When christ said, this wine is my blood and this levant bread is my flesh, he wasn't joking. Prostestants think that is "symbolic" but not really his flesh nor his blood, in scripture, christ never said " oh btw, this is symbolic". It's by partaking in the eucharist that the body of christ enters you and you become part of the body, prostestants have grapejuice and gluten free bread....
This a very good and informative study. Thank you.
Thank you!
this video helped spur me to go to my local Orthodox church when I wasnt really wasn't feeling it. thank you for the encouragement!
There's a day of judgment coming for all of us. Many will mourn the time they used mockery to evade the truth.
@ZmayevOrder You say it "failed miserably," but no one has yet documented a single error. Like yourself, they bluster, but ignore the evidence.
@@adjustedbrass7551 The truth is that God has spoken, and He defines orthodoxy contrary to you. Eastern Orthodoxy isn't the faith of the apostles or the early church. We document the differences in the video, but since you don't engage any of its content, I'm guessing you haven't bothered to watch it all. I'm not to rehearse it all again in a comment.
Hey man,
As someone who was a very serious inquirer for the better part of a year, can I ask what about this video leads you to be encouraged to head to your local EO church?
God bless
@@Kostas_Dikefalaios I stand with the Apostles and the church fathers against your Gnostic and medieval fictions.
This looks very well done. I can already tell there are major issues with presuppositions (unproven assumptions) but this is to be expected, as Protestantism has its own ethnic/geographic biases.
Glad to see you’re quick on the draw Craig! Would be great to see a refutation if time allows you.
@@easternmcg I'm not sure if a refutation is fitting honestly, this is why i speak of presuppositions. Given the presuppositions, things would appear correct. And a video about presuppositions is boring. I'd have to think on it.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology Ok, I see what you mean. Thanks for thinking on it.
@@greenacresorganics7922 Yes, I noticed the criteria for everything seemed to be incorrect (like not knowing why Hiera is not an ecumenical council). I almost feel that one would need a dialogue (i.e. where the filmmaker voices objections conversationally) and then the objection is dealt with. In documentary form its just too much to unpack honestly.
Seems like the gates of Hell did prevail against the Orthodox Church. This is what happens when you rely on tradition above Scripture. Orthodox Church is NOT the One True Church
THANN YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!!
I was a Protestant for most of my life and my parents were evangelicals and I went to a non denominational evangelical Church that had their services in gymnasiums and they rented out some buildings as well. The only thing we had was the Bible and our interpretations of it, if it wasn’t in the Bible it was a “tradition of men that nullified the word of God”. Church History wasn’t discussed, the Catholic Church was constantly ripped on as being “pagan” and so on and so forth. The Church services added nothing to my life, it was just all guys wearing suits and jumbo trons and Christian rock music, everything was so shallow. If I could sum up Protestantism with one word it would be shallow or minimalist, and that seems to be the intent of Protestantism, to get rid of all those pesky traditions, and to have nothing but the Bible. No icons, no mysticism, your entire faith is intellectual, not spiritual. This is why so many young people in the 1960s, after having all these spiritual awakenings, looked to the eastern religions for their spiritual sustenance rather than to their own Protestant traditions, because the Protestant tradition is all intellectual and non spiritual. Protestantism, in particular Reformed Protestantism, is like a dried up, stale cracker. It’s like old musty carpet that hasn’t been cleaned in thirty years, a flavourless meal that has no nutrition. After having my spiritual awakening, and becoming more involved in my non denominational church, I was searching for something more, something deeper and more contemplative, I wanted to know what the early Church was like and I wanted to study Church history because these things were not seen as important in the Protestant tradition I was raised in, because of the emphasis on “the Bible alone” so I started to dig deeper into Church history and eventually I was led to the Eastern Orthodox Church. And I discovered in the Orthodox Church all the spiritual sustenance I need, and a goldmine of Saints and deep mystical theology to study and emulate. In the Protestant tradition there are no Saints or Holy Men, all believers are considered saints, but in the Orthodox tradition you have these Holy people who lived radical and transformed lives for Christ. I will never return to Protestantism, how could I return to Protestantism? Once you discover these things you cannot look back. My Reformed friends want to attack me everytime I discuss these things with them. You will know a tree by its fruits, look at the fruits of Protestantism it’s a colossal failure. 40,000 denominations that all assert supremacy over one another, with shallow seeker friendly services, teaching worldly doctrines rather than the self denial and cross carrying teachings of Christ. People are serious about their religion and spiritual growth tend to be hungry for depth and mysticism in their spiritual life, what to the Reformed have to offer in this area? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in this area. It’s all about how awful you are as a human, and how Christ was slaughtered on your behalf to satisfy the wrath of a blood thirsty God, oh yeah a here’s my book shelf containing volumes and volumes of systematic theology and books explaining why the Reformed tradition is superior to all other forms of Christianity.” Honestly what a joke. Thank God I am Orthodox. I will die an Orthodox Christian!
What you described sounds more like Dispensationalism than Protestantism. If you watched the whole video, you would know they're not the same. We deal with its errors here: ua-cam.com/video/Zj8GXw-gbg0/v-deo.html
You've gone from one unbiblical error to another and use the first to justify the second. Rather than "bearing your testimony," how about actually engaging the content of the video? Eastern Orthodoxy is no more the biblical faith than Dispensationalism. Both rely on fake histories.
@@lukebrasting5108 Your view of the Scriptures is not the same as Jesus or the apostles. The Scriptures were given to define and correct the church. Do you really think the church in Galatia could disregard Paul's letter, since they could claim apostolic succession?
Everything you've written resonates with me. I was raised at a young age in charasmatic churches because my parent's believed that many churches in the reformed tradition were "dry" as you've described and even void of the Holy Spirit. Later as a teen we attended non-denom churches that were influenced by John Piper, Tim Keller, MacAuther etc and I went hard into Calvinist dogma believing it to be a more rational and was sincerely actracted to their "Gospel-Centered" messaging.
The only Orthodox person I knew growing up was my Romanian grandmother who had converted to Catholicism, probably because there were no Orthodox parishes near her. She was such a devout Christian though. Then I met a friend in college from Bulgaria who had such a love for the Lord and modeled her life in a very Christ-like way. I asked her what denomination she was and she told me Orthodox. I responded, "so you're protestant like me" and she denied it emphaitcally. It confused me, I was certain she must be AOG or Pentocostal because of her passion for Christ.
Then, years later I was invited to an Eastern Orthodox church by my boss and was really amazed by the service. The protestant in me recoiled at the icons, the insense,and even the sign of the cross, but the biggest impression it left on my was the amount of scripture that was read throughout the service. I thought since they weren't protestant that they must be Catholics and I always assumed Catholics didn't value scripture like that - and yet here I was at this Orthodox church that had more scripture than any "Bible Family Fellowship" church I've attended.
Then for years I didn't give any thought to it until recently when Orthodox priest came up on my UA-cam algorithm. His messages really put a fire in my spirit, awakening me from a long slumber I had felt. It's really hard to describe but I just felt like God was pulling at me. I still have this strange feeling in my belly that is drawing me to attend an Orthodox church, a feeling like when you had a crush on a girl and don't want her to know. I just hope these feelings aren't just some shallow attraction to the novelty.
I've been praying that if it's really the Holy Spirit that is drawing me to the Orthodox church that He will make it known to me. I do not want to be led by my flesh, my attraction to new things, or God forbit an evil spirit. I just know that ever since I started listening to Orthodox sermons I have been so convicted of my sin and have a strong desire to pray, to be in communion with God, to be filled with his Spirit anew and I really hope this isn't some "phase" or fleating emotion that passes and leaves me back in my old ways. There are still some conflicting teachings I am questioning because I've held them and assumed them to be true for so long, but one thing I'm not questioning is how the Holy Spirit has used the sermons I've listened to to lead me to repentence and prayer, to a love for Christ and others, and a desire to be more like Jesus.
@@joeybwalsh There's a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is the way of death. Test everything by God's Word. The Spirit speaks by and with His Word, not against it.
Amen@@ancientpathstv
You have convinced me that orthodoxy is the true church.
There's a day of judgment coming, in which the lake of fire is prepared for those who love lies.
@@ancientpathstv and you’ll be first in line
@@ancientpathstvheretic
@@bbarnaby8516so you really think you are in the place of God??? Man orthodoxy really makes people mad
@@gabrielgabriel5177 hahaha naw we are the least judgmental Christians. ☦️
Thank you for this video. I found it very helpful.
Thank you! We made a followup video here: ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
We hope to have a third out soon on the filioque, and I'm working on the fourth and final one.
Great video, my friend. Very insightful. God bless you
Thank you!
The amount of church fathers against images is astounding, or at least, the amount of opinions that contradict the use of icons
it really is- funny how those guys are always run out of the church or their writtings deemed as heretical- isn't it?
I mean there was a literal iconoclast/iconophile civil war that lasted about 150 years.
Proud to be Orthodox
Mormons also think bearing their testimony trumps all the arguments against them.
Satan fall for same thing ..proud 😅
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Did you watch the whole movie video
Orthodox spend more time promoting and venerating them than the scriptures themselves.
This is the chief point of the reformers
I pray God opens your eyes to the only Truth. Eastern Orthodoxy ☦️.
I pray God will open your eyes to the truth in His Word. I pray you'll stop playing games and actually engage the evidence. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
@@ancientpathstvhe probably didnt even watch the video.
@@ivandemirevski7756 I'm seeing a lot of complaining and personal testimonies, but not a lot of engaging the evidence. The most substantive criticism I've heard is that it was supposedly "dishonest" to play a clip of Patriarch Kirill, because not everyone agrees with him. 🙂
@@ivandemirevski7756he probably didn’t read his Bible either.
@@ancientpathstv i'm from Russia and it's true that not all ortodox like patriarch, however everyday in church they have to confirm his authority in from of people and not critisize him. and i see many people from west who go to ortodox church write something that thay have Bible studies from ortodox church, however it doesnt ever happen here in Russia. never seen a ortodox preist preach on a street about repentace or invite someone to church, trying to call people to come or talk with them, or give bible. here in russia is only protestant churches who do that and ortodox priests call baptists and protestants a cult and herertics and false church. Also someone in baptist bible study told me that even in Russian Ortodox Church there are many diffrernt teaching and it's vary a lot from one priest to another. He said some even preach "saved by faith" but other ortodox say they are wrong.. i'm gonna watch the video now beceause i want to see what else is wrong with their techings and not feel shamed all the time anymore about not being in this church. And so i can have citical thinking about this propaganda
These very important issues drove me to study church history and after several years of study I joined the Orthodox church and that is my home now for over 35 years. Let this inspire you to go and see and open your heart to the historical original ongoing book of Acts apostolic Church.
Mormons also tell me to look for a "burning in my bosom," rather than following the clear teachings of God's Word. Instead of engaging their critics, they bear their testimony and insist they know their church is true.
@@ancientpathstv what is this burning in the bosom? I have no idea what you're talkin about. And if the teaching from scripture is really clear then why are there thousands of denominations? you know it's totally subjective interpretations.
@@pg618 The "burning in the bosom" is supposed to be a direct, subjective witness of the Holy Spirit to the truth of the Book of Mormon. They believe it trumps the Bible. The video dealt with the "thousands of denominations" argument. Did you watch it all?
@@ancientpathstv Are you familiar with John Frames book Evangelical Reunion?
@@imaginedreamingofficial3432 Yes
This idea that the "One True Church" is a single recognisable organisation generally locked behind a particular sect of Christianity with the name "Eastern Orthodox" or "Roman Catholic" is so anti-scriptural.
The Bible is clear that he who believes that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God has eternal life and is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already and has not life in him.
Jesus spoke out against sectarianism and even condemned some of his followers for rejecting the faith of other believers because they were not apart of their particular group of people. The Church is the body of Christ and not one denomination or sect has perfect theology, these however are only but minor disputes (at least they should be). The Church is full of diversity and differences of ministries, but still under the same Lord. And instead of condemning each other to hell, like scripture says we should be caring for one another in Christ despite our differences.
@@clint5814
The one true Church is the body of believers, all who preach the biblical gospel and all who believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God and who keep His commandments. Jesus forbid sectarianism and condemned some of His followers because they like you thought lesser about the faith of others, because they did not follow their particular group. Hypocrites! You do not see? For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men, and do not allow those who are entering to go in. As members of the one body of Christ the one true Church, there is differences in ministries but all under the same Lord.
The problem is instead of condemning people like me to hell for rejecting icon veneration, like the apostle Paul says all the members should have the same care for one another.
@@clint5814
Jesus never condemned people because they had disputes regarding certain practices, many of His followers disagreed on many things which where not salvific, no but rather He said the one who believes in the name on the only begotten Son of God is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, for he has not believe in the name of only begotten Son of God. Do you believe this?
@@clint5814
Does your church allow divorce? Would divorce be permissible if there was a risk to life? You who is without sin cast the first stone! As for me, it is not my place to judge individuals, for with which standard that I judge, the same will be brought upon me. You say adulterers are excluded from the kingdom of God, but I say all sinners who do not repent and believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God shall not see the kingdom of God.
@@clint5814
Ah, so youre a Roman Catholic, lots to pick from then. My brother, we will continue this discussion later. I am getting ready for work (nights), so I will get back to you tomorrow if you wish.
You might want to rethink about your churches views on divorce (putting into mind the words of Christ and the apostle Paul), before calling me an unbeliever.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
The Orthodox is the oldest Christian Religion and will remain the true one. It was said recently that the catholics and orthodox shall unite, but the true Easter will not happen. We are Christians, we shall stay unite! But Orthodox dogma will remain the true one.
I spent a long time listening to Eastern Orthodox and answering them from church history and God's Word. You simply make a gratuitous assertion. Did you watch the whole video?
@@ancientpathstvGod’s Word is Jesus Christ. You commit idolatry of the Bible.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
@@mihaaai7834 I came into the Eastern Orthodox Church 20+ years ago coming out of Roman Catholic tradition and a brief stint in the Lutheran church. Over the years, I have learned more about my Christian faith and roots through research and readings, especially doing biblical studies and research. I came to realize that the Eastern Orthodox Church tends to demonize and vilify other faithful believers in Jesus Christ instead of reaching out to fellow believers. This has bothered me for years, many so-called Orthodox don’t even read the Bible, only what the priest tells them.
Christ is Risen!
Amen! We should therefore obey Him and His apostles, not the counterfeit traditions of men.
Indeed he is Risen!
@@ancientpathstvyou follow a heresy, stop teaching us Christianity.
@@emiliaion3094 We follow the Scriptures and the church fathers. You're the heretics.
@@ancientpathstv
You do not reply "Amen!" when someone proclaims that "Christ is Risen!".
You say "Indeed He is Risen!". Αληθώς Ανέστη!
At least learn that, before you pass judgement upon anything related to Christianity.
We must give honour and praise to the Theotokos and saints who are our rulers in heaven along with Christ.
According to scripture!
@@TheReformedCatholic
Matthew 19:27-28
27 Then Peter responded and said to Him, “Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?” 28 And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the [l]regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on [m]His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Firstly do you agree that the saints rule and judge with Christ in heaven over us?
1Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God. 2Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves.
😅 and even this is poorly understood by the Protestants who reject the divine council of God.
I’d like any Protestant to explain the plain meaning of these texts. They cannot has been my experience.
@@TheReformedCatholic so why don’t you exegete the text and tell me, do the saints rule over you, in heaven?
I’m open to an explanation that does not indicate that they rule over the faithful
Since it seems to me that you interpret 12 tribes to mean the disbelieving Jews.
Whilst I would say the 12 tribes are the kingdom of God and the saints rule and judge over us. And we owe them praise and honour as our rulers.
@@TheReformedCatholic I guess you can't respect any person you come across then. Or you'd be worshipping them.
@@TheReformedCatholic do you agree that the saints rule in heaven over you along with Jesus?
@@TheReformedCatholic are the saints alive in Christ or you see them as dead?
now that I've shaved off my beard, and lowered my total testosterone by 200ng/dl, I think I'm ready to accept the truth and convert to the ancient faith of protestantism.
Just bought my first suit and tie, and am ready to sit in the pews and listen to an exhilarating 2 hour sermon
Mock all you want. There's a day of judgment coming for all of us.
@@ancientpathstv no im good I believe in Christ so im saved. I even had my monthly cracker and grape juice 👍
@@DoIoannToKnow Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. Galatians 5:19-23
@@TheReformedCatholic convenient to zero in on the one simple joke and dance right around the hard commentary points I made.
Also you did not refute that heterodoxy is gay. Noted
@@TheReformedCatholic keep your WASP racism in check, westoid - pierogi are Polish.
you're referring to piroshki
God bless Orthodox Christians! ❤❤❤
May He bless them to turn from their lies to the Jesus of the Scriptures!
@@WarThunderersindeed may we all be healed by His merciful grace.
Amen! Thank God for the reformers! 🩷
No matter what flavor of protest-ism, post-renaissance so-called church that one belongs to they must ask the question where would you go to church in the first 1,000 years of Christianity? The other option is to believe that everyone everywhere all got it wrong until your little group came along and actually some people really truly believe that craziness.
If you watched the whole video, you would know we addressed this claim.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Great documentary. It was very informative, and I know the Lord will use it to further His kingdom!
Thank you! Be sure to check out the follow up video on Cyril Lucaris.
When anyone in this comment section expresses his/her sympathy towards EO, you always compare them to mormons, gnostics etc. Do you understand that this is logical fallacy? Your entire line of argumentation is logically fallacious.
You really need to study logic more. A gratuitous assertion (proof by assertion) is a logical fallacy. Eastern Orthodox seem to think saying something without (and contrary to) evidence makes it true. It doesn't. You've just given another example.
Mormons similarly ignore the Scriptures and historic evidences against their claims, and assert a mystical experience trumps all that. If you don't want to be compared to Mormons and other Gnostics, stop arguing like them.
@Orm? Logic is not hanging out with you
Once was a protestant went catholic nobis than traditional and eastern and now ROCOR orthdox. The closest to early church.
@@Etihwkcirtap How about engaging the evidence in the video?
@@ancientpathstvnobody wants to go scripture by scripture, they would rather argue then give us scripture. People with no foundation in the word instead just want to attack but never back it up by scripture.
Im a Orthodox, and will stay Orthodox. HOWEVER, this video was interesting to listen to, thank you.
Please deal with the issues raised. Your church anathematizes me. They're preaching an unbiblical gospel.
@@justian1772 Gratuitous assertions make for bad argumentation. We offered documented evidence. You've just blustered.
@@ancientpathstv I'm surprised you know what the word anathema means. We're the only Church still proclaiming anathemas, 2,000 years later. Even the Roman Catholics have fallen to the soft times.
@@CHURCHISAWESUM As shown in the video, the Apostle Paul pronounced anathemas on your gospel in Galatians 1.
@@soare5182 You might want to consult the Merriam-Webster Dictionary. It defines an anathema as a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication; the denunciation of something as accursed; a vigorous denunciation : curse.
If you read through the comments, I've repeatedly been called a heretic and a demon.
Instead of using prayer to ignore the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, I'd prefer you deal with what's in the video and test all things by God's Word in the Bible.
This is a better advertisement of Orthodox Christianity than it is a rebuttal lol. I appreciate that you let the Orthodox clergy sprak for themselves rather than only stating your own claims 👍
We let them speak, because we have no interest in battling straw men. We know no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. As to "advertising Orthodoxy," Mormons claim the same about their critics. They refuse to admit their claims can't stand up to scrutiny.
I'm Catholic the Eastern Orthodox Church is Political Fractured National Churches ROCOR the American Orthodox Church wants nothing to do with Russia. Reason & Theology Michael lofton I like his channel & Tim Staples ex Fundemetalist Baptist now Catholic. 🙏
@@ancientpathstvI agree the Eastern Orthodox pick & choose Council's. I'm Catholic & thought you did a solid job, You should watch the Debate Dr Robert Sungenis vs James White. God bless 🙏
@@frankperrella1202 Thank you! We actually put together one of those debates with Sungenis here in Salt Lake City, along with another with Gerry Matatics. I moderated both. Please watch this other video we made. ua-cam.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/v-deo.html
@@ancientpathstv Awesome I will check it out. 🙏👍
They want to believe in spiritual Platon and Aristoteles Philosophy instead of Christ. I want to follow Christ, so my authority is Christ. And his life and teachings are in the Bible. I don’t need philosophy from church fathers to believe in Christ.
No, your authority is yourself.
So is yours and every single person in history. You choose to lay down your authority to the EO, he chooses to be a protestant. If you woke up tomorrow and chose to not be EO you'd leave.
Great research & presentation, thank you & God bless. Well worth the time to watch.
Thank you!
Almost all of the most vociferous "Orthodox" are recent converts, within the last few decades. Those of us that have a lifelong relationship with Orthodoxy know better and know how full of bologna they are. The fact that they idolize (literally) someone like Dyer is overwhelming evidence that they're not on the right track.
Who is idolizing Jay? Maybe show some humility since Jay is bringing many through the doors of the Church. Maybe a hint of jealousy?
@@arnoldvezbon6131 Dyer has a brilliant mind no doubt but there are many Orthodox concerned about the way he presents himself and the damage that may be doing. He's not a good representative for Orthodoxy, imo.
Not an argument.
@@arnoldvezbon6131 My good friend who recently converted absolutely idolizes Dyer. He probably wouldn't admit that, but you can't deny truth.
@@sethcarter4910 And this is Dyers fault how? Also what is wrong with having respect for people who you perceive as doing good work? Respect for ones abilities is a very masculine thing. Is this alien to you? Maybe you are the one who should introspect in humility. Do you not pray every evening for forgiveness that you laugh at your brothers sins while yours are countless?
Good much needed video
Thank you!
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
protestants continuously demonstrating protestantism does not come from God...
Non-Protestants continuously demonstrating that they can't answer Scripture and the church fathers with anything other than sneering.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
More good stuff! Thank you for this defence of authentic, Biblical Orthodoxy.
Thank you!
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
The reasons why I love being Orthodox especially after coming out of Protestantism. Glory be to God!☦️
Mormons also "bear their testimony" when trying to ignore the facts. We've offered documented evidence from the Scriptures and the early church. Is this the best response you can muster?
@@ancientpathstv I don’t think you even know what you presented was nothing but fallacies? And you just don’t know the church history at all and you don’t know the system of orthodoxy and how it works. Hence why your arguments were not threatening at all. I’ve watched the video and it was already refuted by Craig Trulia and Fr.John white does on UA-cam. I’m sure you’ve seen it. Btw Mormons testimony is “burning in the bosom” ain’t not appeal to emotion fallacy that I’m doing lol. Also you say “evidence from scripture”. I hope you know that, you can not argue with Anglican’s, Orthodox, Roman Catholics, or oriental Orthodox with just “scripture” because all believe scripture to be a tradition of the church completed canon in the 6th ecumenical council. So, your mere interpretation won’t work against my church or any of these other churches who claim apostolic authority. You need church history and you need to know their systems to find them consistent. If you think you have good arguments, go debate Jay Dyer😂
@@ancientpathstv also your early church evidence was not good evidence at all if, it’s just going to be quote mines and you take them all out of context lol. Craig Trulia and Fr. John pointed that out and gave out the complete context of what you presented as well. It’s has good editing, I’ll give you that though in regards to the video. But again, this just gives me greater joy to be Orthodox and no longer a Protestant☦️
@@OrthoNektarios They offered insinuation, not refutation. They asserted that I'm a "hyper-rationalist," who would have to reject the Biblical miracles unless I accepted Eastern Orthodoxy's demonstrably counterfeit ones. They asserted that it was "dishonest" to quote Patriarch Kirill, because "not everyone agrees with him," but they never demonstrated that it actually was dishonest. This is like Roman Catholics complaining when someone quotes Pope Francis.
They asserted it was dishonest to quote the Council of Hieria, because it didn't meet the standards of an ecumenical synod. They left out that those standards weren't developed until much later to justify rejecting Hieria. They say no patriarch was present, yet Constantinople was vacant, and the two succeeding patriarchs embraced Hieria as ecumenical.
Fr. Whiteford ignored that I explicitly said fasting was part of the Christian life and then pretended I rejected it entirely. Straw men are so much easier to refute than real ones.
If you believe Fr. Whiteford's appeal to "spores" proving the historicity of the Shroud of Turin, and that this proves the Abgar legend (which was never claimed to be a burial shroud), then there's no reasoning with you.
If you love a lie, any response to your critics counts as a "refutation."
@@OrthoNektarios "Quote-mining" and "cherry-picking" are name-calling that allows you to dismiss evidence without actually having to demonstrate misrepresentation. Unless you can show that a quote was out of context, calling it "quote-mining" is dishonest.
let God-inspired Scripture decide between us; and on whichever side be found doctrines in harmony with the Word of God, in favor of that side will be cast the vote of truth.[1] Basil the Great, The Letters, Letter 189 (To Eustathius the Physician).
I am protestant, after watching the video im still protestant
Would you be willing to participate in public discussion to see if this presentation can withstand further scrutiny?
This
I've already agreed to an interview with an Eastern Orthodox apologist.
@@ancientpathstv Would you mind sharing who you will be interviewing with?
@@TikhonFread Craig Truglia
@@ancientpathstv Oh...
Thank God for Orthodoxy!
Thank God for His Word and the faithful saints of the early church who stood against the Gnostic lies embraced by "Eastern Orthodoxy."
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Justify canon of the Scripture without appealing to the One True Holy Apostolic and Catholic Orthodox Church, whom you deny authority. I'll wait...
As Reformed Christians, we hold that the only true church is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. You might say that we aren't a part of it, but we hold that those who depart from the Divinely inspired Apostolic Witness, the New Testament, cannot be within the Apostolic Church.
Our God, the Trinity, One in essence and undivided, established the canon. The Church can only passively receive it, but it has no authority to establish it.
@@TheReformedCatholic The question is: How do we *know* what are the Scriptures and what books are considered as such. We, the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church know it because the Scriptures are part of our Holy Tradition passed down by apostles all the way to us, but you as the ones that deny Holy Tradition can't have coherent and consistent knowledge of it. So, to answer your question, a first century Jew knew the teachings of the Church because the apostles teached him so, even before Gospels were composed. How you answer this question if the ultimate authority is the Scriptures, which hadn't even existed in that time?
@@PrenticeBoy1688 How do you *know* what books are part of the canon? Last time I checked, the Scriptures don't contain list of books that make the Scriptures.
@@elmitross The same way that the Jews knew what the canon of the Tanakh was: the ministration of the Holy Spirit. The Church is Christ's bride. She doesn't put words into the mouth of her Husband, she merely passively submits to His voice. She isn't infallible, only her Husband as a part of the Triune Godhead is infallible.There were no councils of the preincarnation Church that defined the canon of the Hebrew Scriptures.
The early Church did, indeed, have a Bible: the Septuagint. Christ, Himself, held the Jewish religious leaders to account because they negated God's very written words by following unwritten tradition that was supposedly handed down from Moses.
The Apostles did many miracles in Christ's name, just as the prophets of the Jews worked wonders to establish their credentials to speak as God commanded them. During their lifetime, their God-breathed testimony instructed the Church. Their written witness, the New Testament, is also God-breathed. The Holy Spirit chose those written testimonies and those letters of the Apostles to be preserved and handed down. If the Apostles said things other than what was Divinely preserved, then God has actively chosen not to preserve those things.
The Reformed Protestant claim is that we, as members of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, have sought to return to the Apostolic part. We only have one reliable record of their teaching, a God-breathed record: the Holy Scriptures. Later additions and innovations to the Scriptures only serve to muddy the the crystal clear water of Divine revelation.
@@PrenticeBoy1688 Ok, how do you know which written testimonies Holy Spirit chose to be part of the Scriptures, and which didn't? Has He revealed that somehow, apart from the Holy Tradition, and the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church? If the Church is fallible, as you say, how do we know that She hasn't erred about canon? How do we know Holy Spirit at all, apart from Christ's Church? Your position is incoherent and your reasoning is circular.
I had to leave the Eastern Orthodox tradition, as i just could no longer venerate, kiss, and bow to images made by man's hand. I am anathema. This all came about when i really began questioning the interpretation of God's Law. I was Orthodox for thirteen years, and Jesus, not Mary, is my Savior. The division in Orthodoxy is just as rampant as it is 8n protestand traditions. I was baptized as Constantine, i have since taken back my name Dani-el. This video has really solidified my coming out from among her. Praise be to the only Savior and Mediator between God and man... Jesus Christ our Righteous King.
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
*Revelation 2:9*
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
*Galatians 5:4*
You clearly were not properly catechized.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
@@b.r.holmes6365 Wouldn’t that be a failing of the infallible church?
@b.r.holmes6365 sounds like he was though
You definitely wouldnt debate Jay Dyer and Craig from Orthodox Theology will come out with a response to your absurd video.
So if I go on Craig's podcast, would you actually deal with the arguments in the video, or would you keep moving the goalposts?
Why would he need to debate them? It seems the evidence in this video speaks for itself. Why don't you try refuting it? Because you can't.
Oh Jay Dyer is Eastern Orthodox now, he's grifted place to place so much it's hard to keep tract.
@Veganismdebunked812 Ah yes. The same Peter Dimond who pauses videos and concludes that the weird expression of the person on the video is proof they are possessed by demons. Clearly an intellectually and spiritually inclined person worthy of Dyer's time.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Lazy scholarship and poor epistemology. 0/10 would not watch again.
If the scholarship and epistemology are poor, it seems you could actually answer them with something other than name-calling. 🙂
@@Agnosticuzumaki Gratuitous assertions make for poor argumentation. Be brave enough to actually engage the evidence in the video. You're also parading your ignorance. I have a temple, sacraments, a priesthood, and a laying on of hands. You're arguing against a straw man.
@@Agnosticuzumaki You just keep blustering and ignoring the evidence in the video. That won't make the truth go away.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
This is a really well put together video. I have been looking into Orthodox a fair bit recently, however this video has also helped to anchor me into discerning between tradition and biblical teaching. I like the comparison you make of when Jesus rebukes the Pharisees of their traditional practices that were not supported by biblical teachings. This definitely opened my eyes to not just blindly accept traditions as being the "spoken" teachings passed down through the churches. Thank you for your perspective you have brought
Thank you!
Ive told many Catholic women and men that if "God" would, is calling me to become priest, that is the only objection i have to Catholicism because i want children and wife because naturally i feel the emotional and physical need to do so. I feel so much stress thinking how i am not going to get what I've longed for over decade what i truly needed the moment i was self exposed to pornography. Im Catholic but i just know priesthood is not for me. I dont see Protestantism as true neither.
@@IsraelCountryCubePlease watch. ua-cam.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/v-deo.html
Any church that has such a history of constantly moving the goal posts of redemptoion and sactification and justification etc etc rooting them not in any scripture , but is wild mysteries and myticisms- is just a cult- no matter how old or well established.
A powerful exposé of EO. And even more grateful for the Reformers.
Thank you! I think you might also enjoy our most recent video. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
What denomination are you if you don't mind me asking. I've left EO
@@rossk3482 I'm a pastor in the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. We were kicked out of the mainline Presbyterian church in 1936 for insisting they maintain biblical truth. Now they ordain lesbians and homosexuals as pastors. We're "orthodox" in that we still submit to the historic and biblical faith.
@@ancientpathstv Who ordains gays and lesbians sorry?
@@rossk3482 No problem. The Protestant Reformers broke from Rome when they apostatized from the gospel and killed those who called it back to the historic, biblical faith. They didn't see themselves as having left, but Rome as having abandoned true catholicism.
The Reformed church in Scotland was known as the Presbyterian church. The Presbyterian Church in the United States (PCUSA) similarly apostatized over time and kicked out those who called for it to repent in 1936. The Orthodox Presbyterian Church was formed to maintain the historical and biblical faith. The mainline PCUSA continued its apostasy and now ordains lesbians and homosexuals as pastors. Many Eastern Orthodox critics try to lump us in with them, so they can ignore our criticisms, but we have no more connection with them than we do with Rome.
There are no perfect churches, but true apostolicity means holding to what the apostles actually taught.
As the numbers of people dissatisfied with protestantism and whom inquire into Orthodoxy continually increases, the more desperate, inaccurate and slanderous the critics become, and more videos intended for retention purposes will be made.
What was slanderous? You just sound butt hurt lol
well said
@kudryavkalaika875 lol protestants don't teach a different God lol. We hold to all 6 ecumenical councils with the 7th being controversial. All the reformers held the doctrine of the trinity, the incarnation, the death burial and resurrection of Jesus and the teachings of the apostles.
@kudryavkalaika875 that's a technical dispute. They don't deny the triune God or Jesus Christ lol.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
I am in the process of converting to orthodoxy. This video didnt change my decision.
We document even more Eastern Orthodox lies in our most recent video. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
If you love lies, you'll have no excuse on the day of judgment.
@@ancientpathstv Are you always a rude person, or only on UA-cam?
@@jordanmills3938 Are Eastern Orthodox rude when they anathematize me and call for me to be unforgiven in this life and the next? Or is it only when someone responds that you consider them "rude"?
@@ancientpathstv with all due respect, if you think its rude for someone to say anathema, then you lack the capacity to be a man.
@@mariorizkallah5383 You're not being honest. That's not what I said. I believe we have an obligation to anathematize heresy, but Eastern Orthodoxy anathematizes me on the basis of lies. The commenter was accusing me of being "rude" for some undefined response.
As an Orthodox Christian, you have created an evil video that points to known political actors within the Russian Orthodox church, and not all of Orthodoxy, and you've made claims that are unjustified. There are numerous Orthodox Christians which openly condemn statements by the Russian Patriarch, as well as, the self appointed Ukrainian Patriarch. You also have a very poor understanding of Orthodox doctrine, teachings, and scripture. Even Paul tells us, "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." 2 Thessalonians 2:15. So both Scripture and Tradition help us in growing our faith. You want to claim Sola Scriptura, well that is a quote straight from Paul's mouth. Why would Paul say this? Because at the time he wrote this letter to the Church of Thessalonica, there was no "scripture" except the Old Testament. None of the gospels had been written, neither the Book of Acts, no Revelation, none. It wouldn't be until several more years before the first, most likely the Gospel of Mark was actually written (some would argue their may have been one that proceeded this, but it is most likely lost to history). So when you say, Orthodox follow man-made traditions - what were all the churches that Paul and the Apostles preached to following? It was what these teachings, and the teachings of the early church fathers (those who were taught by the Apostles) that have become tradition. Further, several councils throughout Church history have been convened to determine "tradition", for example the Nicene Creed, the nature of Christ, the Holy Spirit, basically all the things that today we call church doctrine is completely based on Scripture and Church Tradition/Teachings. So, I say this in a very Christian way - before you point the finger at others so broadly, remove the log from your own eye! The spirit of division does not come from Christ, so our efforts are more successful when we strive to uphold the Gospel of Jesus. Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." John 10:27-28 I pray you seek Truth, for it will truly set you free.
Josiah Trenham said when Paul died he left them with "two little epistles." No, he left them with a complete Old Testament, and nearly complete New Testament. We documented our claims. Church fathers and ecumenical councils contradict one another. Please try engaging the content of the video with more than emotion and name-calling. We document even more Eastern Orthodox lies in our most recent videos. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
If what we're saying is wrong, try to document it. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Based cooking brother now submit to Rome 💪
@@SolarSiege The same "cooking" destroys Rome's claims. ua-cam.com/video/utIAnY5I8CU/v-deo.html
@@stefan5234 If it's so bad you should be able to refute it with evidence, and not just name-calling.
@@ancientpathstv I will pray for your immortal souls. According to you, all "Christians" prior to Luther went to Hell? I think your understanding of the Bible is twisted, your understanding of the accepted Church Councils is wrong (even according to Luther). Further, there was no New Testament when Paul was killed. It hadn't been completed yet. There were merely letters flying around between various early churches. I think you should spend more time studying and not guessing, because if you open your own study Bible, it will most likely give you the dates when the Gospels and letters were written. However, they weren't compiled together until much later. Like Jesus said to the woman at the well, "You worship what you do not know" and you point your finger at things you do not completely understand. There's nothing wrong with that, but before wrongly pointing your finger, you need to ensure your standing on biblically solid ground, because in these cases you're not. I don't know why these days American Christians feel they need to attack Orthodox Christians. You would not have the faith you practice today without the Orthodox Church holding to the original teachings of the Apostles and Early Church Fathers. Ask any pastor and/or theologian, and he/she will agree. I pray God blesses you and you spend more time spreading the Gospel instead of attacking fellow Christians because of the way they express their faith in worship.
This makes no sense. If the Eastern Orthodox Church is a failure then why is the Holy Spirit not only in my Church, but actively transforming the Eucharist into the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ as I, and others, partake in it?
How about responding to what's in the video, and not just its title?
@@ancientpathstv What would be the point in that? Would we debate like Western rationalists? You will say this, I will say that, yet your opinion, unchanged by the Holy Spirit, will remain the same. Yet the Holy Spirit will remain in my Church and bless the faithful with Sacraments and miracles.
@@jonf4287 You make truth claims in calling your critics "rationalists," but then dematerialize into a mysticism that makes you comfortable in your lies. I encourage you to have the courage not to play such games.
@@jonf4287 you mean the blood and flesh of all slavic and orthodox peoples flowing since 2000 years, defeat after defeat, islam, communism, western imperialism etc...half your lands are gone...your women disgraced, children converted...orthodoxy is a huge failure
@@ancientpathstv The only claim to truth that I've made is that the Holy Spirit performs transubstantiation of our Eucharist. I've not called anyone anything.
Christian brothers don’t kill each other. If they do they’re not Christian. It’s as simple as that.
it's more like there faith drives them not to kill, they can still kill.
Roman Catholicism fell to heresy, accept the truth.☦️
Brother this just shows u didn’t watch the video lmao, the dude is a protestant. Not a Catholic.
@@hap1678Exactly, both Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism have fallen to heresy.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
As an ex protestant for over 35 years.. watching this fills me with grief and embarrassment for protestants that are missing out on so much. So misguided in a world of protestant theological ideas. Lost in a buffet of 30,000 options. This is the fruit of rejecting Tradition and this mentality of every man for himself "theology" rooted in 'Sola Scriptura'. The most rotten fruit no doubt is the reformed bunch, who’s puppet master god decrees sin be committed then sends his puppets to hell… except of course for those lucky puppets the puppet master forced to love him.
Truly sick.
Your condescending tone and complete avoidance of the issues is all to familiar from 25 years in Utah. You'd make a good Mormon.
@@ancientpathstv Your so called issues have been dealt with time and time again. ua-cam.com/users/liveM9zmSLzYDIg?feature=share
@@culpepper7665 As I constantly have to remind Mormons, a response isn't necessarily an answer. I'm scheduled to appear on Craig Truglia's show next week.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
14:50 - What??? Paul did not write or leave a bible, he wrote like 7 letters not the Gospels or Revelations. The Church tells us what is Canon. 19:15 - Refuted by Joshua 7:6 - Thanks for selling me on Orthodoxy
Paul left a complete Old Testament, a complete Pauline corpus, the Book of Acts, and probably most of the rest of the New Testament. You seem to think the church waited centuries before knowing what came from the apostles. Irenaeus in the second century didn't. He named all four gospels, quoted from them, and rejected the counterfeits. Try again.
All that is a lot more than the "two little epistles" Trenham was describing.
It’s funny how hubris many Protestants are when they think they know the scriptures better than those who have the same mindset as those who wrote it.
Think of the scriptures like a camcorder with all of your early family vacations. You are showing them to your grandchildren. Do the videos have the entirety of what was said done on those vacations? No, the have the highlights, and important moments. But as Paul said, there were some things that were written, and some things that were taught verbally in person.
Yes we have everything we need in the Holy Scriptures, but the menu is not the meal. The meal is found in the Orthodox life which the Scriptures describe.
We document the lies of Eastern Orthodoxy, and the best you can offer in rebuttal is a bad analogy? Eastern Orthodoxy can't provide a single word of Paul's teaching other than what's in the Bible. It simply claims everything it does is based on oral tradition. We demonstrate that what you insist is was delivered orally contradicts not only the Scriptures, but the faith of the early church.
@@ancientpathstv
REBUTTAL TO “THE FAILURE OF THE EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCH”
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One day, maybe even soon, all of us who profess faith in Christ will be undeniably united under the sword of persecution. The EO, RC, and protestant alike will be united because when persecution is global it will not matter one bit which sect any of us belong to, only who our Lord is. Declaring anathama on those who have faith in Christ is really a luxury the EO church takes for granted, because there will come a day when whether they like it or not they'll be considered by the world to be equal to the protestant. Also every time I hear the EO pray the anathama to the protestant prayer the ONLY thing I can think of is the parable of the pharisee and the tax collector. God have mercy on us all. Great Video!!!
God bless you all, form an Orthodox. Much love ☦️❤️
Please watch the video and the two followups on Cyril Lucaris and the Filioque. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Great stuff! There are barely any well-researched resources out there from Protestants regarding Eastern Orthodoxy, so I'm overjoyed and blown away by the release of this documentary.
Thank you for all of the hard work it no doubt took to put this documentary together -- may it build up and strengthen any Protestants struggling with the claims of Eastern Orthodoxy 🙏
Thank you! Please be sure to check out our other videos, as well.
Just exactly when Protestantism was founded?
@@georgemichalopulos382 Did you watch the video?
@@georgemichalopulos382in 0 AD
@@Stigma-ba115 😂
Well put together presentation. Thank you for the time you took to put this together.
Thank you! It was a chore. 🙂
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
"As the numbers of people dissatisfied with protestantism and whom inquire into Orthodoxy continually increases, the more desperate, inaccurate and slanderous the critics become, and more videos intended for retention purposes will be made." well said
Great job of avoiding all the issues in the video. As with Hannegraaf, most converts were never confessional Protestants. They've exchanged one feeling-based religion for another. We actually engage Eastern Orthodox arguments, while you make gratuitous assertions about slander, without offering any evidence.
Statistically, Protestants and Roman Catholicism are continually growing worldwide (Protestants faster than Catholics) while Eastern Orthodox is declining in numbers and giving way to new protestant movements in predominantly orthodox countries. Don’t let the EO orthobro internet fad fool you. The loudest voice is not always the largest. You’re better off engaging the arguments presented than continuing in a triumphal delusion.
@@Athabrose I guess since your rainbow churches are growing they must be true huh?
@@OrangeRaft that’s just a silly comment. Most of the growth of Protestantism is in the global south in places like Africa that take hard stances against homosexuality.
@@Athabrose ah you removed your comment though🤣
This is still one of the best videos on UA-cam. It really highlights Rome’s and the East’s accretions. It inspired me to look into 1st through 3rd century churches. It’s helped me a lot into finding resources for evangelizing and teaching in my church.
Pastor Jason, I'm pivoting here from my previous, argumentative thread to say this: You are by far the best Protestant apologist I've encountered, and the depth of your research and engagement with history is incredible. Plus the love and effort you clearly poured into the production quality, something severely lacking in this corner of the internet... truly impressive work.
I'm glad you mentioned your interview with Craig Truglia--I'm watching it now, and I feel like it's providing some vital context for your work here. I understand the tone of this video in a way I hadn't, and I very much appreciate your strong skepticism. You bring up a lot of good challenges to Orthodoxy, and though I may disagree with many of your conclusions, that only makes them more valuable to encounter. So, thank you! And keep up the good work.
Thank you! Please check out all our claims. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
Please be sure to check out our followup video. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
@@stefan5234 If it's so bad you should be able to refute it with evidence, and not just name-calling.
I don't understand why you used a clip at the 1:01:19 of a Coptic priest. The Oriental Orthodox aren't even in communion with the Eastern Orthodox.
I used it because it nicely summarizes the Eastern position on Helvidius. Helvidius was pre-Chalcedon. Like many American Coptic priests, Fr. Abraham Wassif is a St. Vladimir's graduate, who's articulating the same thing an Eastern Orthodox priest would say, but because it's coming from a Copt, it's supposedly suspect. It demonstrates that Eastern Orthodox will grasp at anything to claim I know nothing and ignore the overwhelming evidence against their position.
@@ancientpathstvI see. I'm Oriental Orthodox and watched your video fully (took 3 days to get through it all). Good production and editing I will give you that just a marathon to watch.
@@famicommike9014 Thank you! There was a lot of information to pack in. 🙂 I could have done a whole lot more, but I was trying to crystallize the main issues and yet deal with them substantively. I've had Eastern Orthodox not only complain about Wassif, but even the clip of Patriarch Kirill. 🙂
@@ancientpathstv well if it means anything, the EO don't even recognize the Oriental Orthodox churches like the Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, etc etc as Orthodox since the Council of Chalcedon.
On a funny but odd note, My Greek Fat Wedding the movie of all things did introduce me to Orthodoxy back in 2009.
Great video. Eastern Orthodoxy looks very appealing to the untrained eye, but this video gives very good reasons to avoid it.
judge not by appearance but with righteous judgment
Judge according to the scripture not what it looks like on the exterior
That's why we aren't so-called Orthodox. We believe in salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone, according to the Scriptures alone, to the glory of God alone.
@@RyanSmith-zk4ve ironically that is orthodoxy, eastern orthodox isn't even orthodox 😆
@@tomtemple69eastern orthodoxy is not eastern nor orthodox 😂
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Kyrill is merely stating that a soldier has not sinned. He has committed a righteous act in fulfilling his duty to his nation. You have to be wilfully ignorant here.
You've misunderstood what I said. He's saying that the soldier's sacrifice can at least partially atone for his sins. That's the Galatian heresy.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Oh the Orthobros ain't gonna like this one 😂😂😂
@@hmldjr Orthobros backing their statement with scriptural proof and decent argument (level: impossible)
@@gregcoogan8270A clear example. Empty words with nothing backing them up.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
Well after watching the video, I’ve decided that Orthodoxy is the truth. Thank you
The Mormons play the same game of mocking their critics, rather than trying to answer their argumentation. A day of judgment is coming when you'll regret your foolishness.
@@ancientpathstv Something tells me he didn't watch the video and his decision was already made before opening the video.
@@SamuelWysocki We see the same thing from Eastern Orthodox as we see from Mormons. Instead of engaging the evidence, they mock and "bear their testimony."
Presumably your mind was already made up before watching the video and your ears were closed to it.
I’ve been searching through the internet, through books, and through the scriptures for the truest form of Christianity. It’s so hard and there’s so much out there. Thank you for this resource. Thank you for especially going to primary sources instead of playing the telephone game. Thank you for hearing out the other side and not shouting curses or damnations. As someone who has been searching into Catholicism and Orthodoxy (Eastern and Oriental) as well as the different expressions of Protestantism, it has been a weary search. I’m nowhere near the end of that search but I have more fuel to the fire thanks to this video. Of the many debate and dialectic videos I’ve seen, this is without a doubt one of the greatest. Perhaps the greatest in a response to Orthodoxy (which doesn’t have much opposition at this time). May God bless you and keep you and the team that helped you make this video. I pray that you have the strength to continue to pursue the Way, the Truth, and the Life- our Lord Jesus Christ. I ask that you pray the same for me. Don’t know if you’ll see this comment but I hope you will be encouraged and continue with the channel!
PS. This may be too forward of me but if you were to make a video comparing the classical branches of Protestantism (Anglican, Reformed, Lutheran, and others if any) in such depth as this video that would be much appreciated! God bless and thank you again!
And to all you Orthodox, Catholics, and Protestants. May the Lord bless you and keep you. May your search for the Truth be blessed with the experience of the person of the risen Christ. I consider each of you who does the will of our Lord as my brothers and sisters. Let us pursue Christ and be filled with love for Him above all else. Let us stand together in Christ and look to the resurrection of the dead and the life of the age to come. But until that day, let us continue to fight not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darkness. God bless you all.
Thank you for the kind note. Please check out our other videos on this channel, including An Earnest Plea to Roman Catholics and The Atheist Illusion. If you're looking for a perfect church, God makes clear in the Scripture that you won't find it in this world, but that doesn't mean you can't find faithful churches. There is a qualitative difference between those who tremble at God's Word and those who don't. I also encourage you to watch the debate I did with the pastor of First Baptist Church of Salt Lake City. I'm not much of a debater, but I think it was made clear that as with the Pharisees of old, there are those who hide from God in religion. Remember, no one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars. Stay in God's Word, on your knees, and in fellowship with His people. If I can be of assistance, contact me through www.gospelutah.org.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
It might be incredibly frustrating and disappointing to see how little engagement Eastern Orthodox are willing to participate in, but I've heard they actually have an incredibly rigorous and compelling counter-critique to every point you made.
... it's just only passed down through oral tradition 😏
Lord willing, in a few weeks, we'll have a new video out, detailing the story of the 17th-century Patriarch Cyril Lucaris. Their "oral tradition" about him doesn't stand up so well to the documentation that the modern age makes available. They rejected his attempts to reform the church, conspired with the Roman Catholics, falsely accused him to the Turks, and then claimed him as a martyr for Orthodoxy. They venerate the icon of the man who publicly denounced the veneration of icons.
“passed down through oral tradition” like the “toll houses”.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
OP 😂😂😂😂
Thanks Jesus for our Orthodoxy ☦️♥️
Thank you Jesus for your Spirit giving me eyes to see and ears to hear the truth of Your Word in the Bible. Thank you for showing me that true orthodoxy isn't to be found in medieval fictions.
Eastern Orthodoxy is built on a mountain of lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
My friend, you don't understand nothing about Ortodoxy.
Then refute the argumentation.
@@noicemanMatthew 15:8-9 NASB1995
[8] ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me. [9] But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’ ”
Orthodox are the new Pharisees
Did Patriarch Cyril Lucaris understand Orthodoxy? ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
OP, I'd Hazzard a guess he knows so much more about it than you, that it would be legitimately difficult to quantify.
You get an F minus for misrepresenting Christian Orthodoxy.
We offered documented evidence. You offer name-calling with zero evidence. We expose more Eastern Orthodox lies in our latest video. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
@@heisenberg4996 According to Merriam-Webster, name-calling is, "the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective consideration of the facts." We offered documented facts. All you've offered in rebuttal are opinions. Baseless assertions aren't facts.
@@dimitrisiliadis4939 Arbitrarily assigning a "grade" is name calling. It's a gratuitous assertion and bad argumentation. We offered documented evidence. All you offer is bluster. No one has anything to fear from the truth, but liars.
F minus to you for being an Orthodox Idol Worshiper.
@@ancientpathstv I did not offer name calling . I offered my opinion about your presentation. Stay humble brother.
Although this video has some good points (some of which I have no answer for as I am not a scholar), I still think Eastern Orthodoxy provides a better foundation than Reformed Christianity. The spiritual practice of the EO church is far superior than anything I found in Protestantism. Protestantism, generally speaking, has severed itself from the history of the Church; never did I hear about the lives of the saints, nor did I hear about the Ecumenical Councils. Beauty has also been stripped from many Reformed churches, which grieves me, as art can be used to glorify God and educate parishoners. The church calendar has been done away with for no good reason; the church calendar helps us Christians to remember and celebrate important events in history. I truly cannot go back to Reformed Christianity, it is spiritually malnourished.
I think EO has the Gospel of Christ.
My only critique of Orthodoxy is that it needs to evangelize more and needs to address parishes that have become 'ethnic clubs'.
May God bless you.
Your experience doesn't sound very Protestant. Our congregation recites the Nicene Creed every week. As demonstrated in our most recent video, Eastern Orthodox anathematize Protestants and ask God that we be unforgiven in this life and the next, so instead of sharing your subjective opinion, how about actually dealing with the evidence? God has spoken, and presented a radically different gospel than Eastern Orthodoxy. You ignore Him at your peril. Here's the most recent video, which demonstrates even more Eastern Orthodox lies. ua-cam.com/video/_yQBY2lPWUc/v-deo.html
@@ancientpathstv Well, sorry to burst your bubble but it was a 'Protestant experience'; I have attended Anglican, Presbyterian and Baptist churches, and the only one to recite the creed were the Anglicans (who didn't even follow their BCP - what a joke). I believe the anathemas are in place as a warning to those who willingly cause theological chaos and dissent. Do you think the resulting theological chaos of the Reformation is a blessing or a good thing?
One of my biggest gripes with Protestantism is its proposal of 'Branch Theory', as it isn't compatible with the writings of the Apostles, nor the Nicene Creed, nor the Saints who succeeded the Apostles. Catholicity isn't found in multiplicity of doctrine, rather, it is found in unity of doctrine and the Eucharist (I found that out the hard way over the past few years).
I simply cannot fathom the idea that Christ's church apostatised on fundamental issues at such a wide level, so early on, only for it to be 'corrected' by the Reformers centuries later. It calls into question the providence of God and Christ's words that the 'Gates of Hades shall not prevail'.
One thing I have gathered from your video, and other critics of Orthodoxy, is that people don't like the exclusivity of the Orthodox Church. To me, that criticism makes no sense, especially when I hear it from Calvinists (such as yourself), as they are literally the most exclusive Christians in existence (James White is a prime example).
All I can say about these 'lies', the ones you speak of, is that maybe you're just misinterpreting the data? I don't know.
May God bless you and guide you.
@@kyrie-eleison-23 well said Kyrie Eleison. I agree with you.
Wrong
@@kyrie-eleison-23 The "most exclusive Christians in the world"? I find that funny. Dr. White (a Baptist) has preached numerous times in our Presbyterian church and shared communion with us. Meanwhile Eastern Orthodoxy calls for me to be unforgiven in this life and the next. How about actually dealing with the content of the video?
St Gregory Palamas:
"Man was led into his captivity when he experienced God's wrath, this wrath being the good God's just abandonment of man. God had to be reconciled with the human race, for otherwise mankind could not be set free from the servitude. A sacrifice was needed to reconcile the Father on high with us and to sanctify us, since we had been soiled by fellowship with the evil one. There had to be a sacrifice which both cleansed and was clean, and a purified and sinless priest"