We Play Bloomburrow Rabbits vs Otters vs Mice vs Raccoons! | Commander Clash S16 E30
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IGNORE THE SALT TOMER that was unbelievably satisfying after a long run of greedy manabases
for real, Richard slammed Ojer and then another 4 cmc (including the offspring) on turn 5
So happy to see Tomer back. I love the punishing of greedy manabases. Seth playing a low to the ground aggro deck and having so many tapped and colorless lands was hilarious.
The bounce land copium runs so strong. Whenever I see a guildlessbcommons I actually get nauseous
i saw his decklist too. almost no valiant trigger cards. just boros staples no synergy
@@dougisacat I's good in mono decks with a nomal curve. Otherwise, no.
Tomer, you're my hero don't let Richard's salt gaslight you into not playing non basic land hate
1:08:23 Richard: "It's gotta be literally 20 basics... Because you're copying [Price of Progress], almost no amount would get me out unless I'm playing only basics." Meanwhile, Phil with only one land less than Richard took only 12 damages from PoP x 2 because he wisely chose to fetch some basics when he had the option, use non-land ramp like treasures, and had more basics in general in his deck (6 vs. 2) for his land drops. But literally no way to play around PoP... I like Richard's wild takes, but he got this coming for a long time by greedily meta-gaming his playgroup knowing everybody else focuses on board states rather than resources (mana and cards in hand).
@Lucarioguild7 I would not be upset in the slightest to see Richard getting put down by Price of Progress every single game this season. Would never get tired of it.
He's been talking smack on basics for so long knowing Seth is too big a coward to run Ruination.
If they're doing a viewer submitted week again, I'm SOOO building a deck with nonbasic hate to the max.
@@zaclock-4228 Between this and Crim owning his mono black deck with Ruination a while back you'd hope he'll consider scaling back on non-basics a bit.
Tomer finally punishing all those greedy manabases! Keep it up, let the salt flow!
its baffling to me that richard can say with a straight face "no amount of basic lands would save me from dying to copied price of progress" when Phil took a mere *12* damage as opposed to Richard's 32 and was perfectly fine
Infinite salt
If you look at his deck list, he was literally running 1 Forest and 1 Plains 💀 cry us a salty river. Seth was at least running 6 basics.
Richard really dumb with that one . Price of progress also hits Tomer and he didn't
imagine if tomer hadnt had the pop and instead just blew his lands and he failed to find basics after 2 💀
Price of progress is literally symmetrical. Richards take is, as always, dumb and wrong.
Tomer punishes the table for not playing basics, and then they call him out for playing “storm” 😂
They brag about how little basics they play, get punished then get salty, lol.
Here's the thing, they deserve to be punished for playing too many non-basics. Tomer also deserves to be punished for playing cards that are disproportionately powerful or dangerous in their pod. Both Richard and Tomer can have points. Threat assessment demands that Tomer receive attention because the PoP is really a combo kill in this context.
@@laserflyerbut they wouldn’t be “disproportionately powerful cards” if the rest of the crew just didn’t play with such greedy mana bases, there’s not a single good reason for tomer not to punish that. Literally all they have to do is just build their decks less greedily and it makes the “disproportionately powerful cards” a complete non issue
Richard is a great guy, but I have to admit that seeing him salty about being taken out by PoP was so satisfying!
@@justanotherhuman7106 I can't disagree because you're right; they do play those mana bases making them fair game for Tomer's punish, right? And Tomer running that punish makes him fair game for the target they'll paint on his back. Neither the land or punish choice are made in a vacuum. If my play group has a ton of graveyard decks and I run RIP/Stone as a counter then I can expect to have everyone else in my pod target me for the effective, uninteractable punish. It's just how the game works.
Tomer - *Plays Price of Progress twice*
Richard - "Is this storm?"
*Copies price of progress*
Richard: stupid Storm Combo deck
For real, the storm accusations are ridiculous. Is Jeska's will a bit too strong of a card for these theme decks? Maybe, but it's definitely not storm 😂
I can’t tell if Richard is a relentless troll or just… kinda… dumb? If he honestly thinks that was Storm
Alania is the storm that is approaching
The Commander literally has STORM in the name, what else do you call a non-deterministic combo that revolves around casting multiple cards?
Tomer didn't cast Price of Progress without copying it with an Otter. Perfectly on-theme victories.
The price of progress is so satisfying *chef's kiss* i love seeing the non basic hate
(*Spoiler*)
Tomer killing everyone with an Otter-copied Price of Progress after the table had been trash talking Otters and basics all game was so satisfying 😂
Richard being extra salty about Jeska's Will this week. Tomer has built the most tame 'storm' deck ive ever seen.
Absolutely loved seeing Richard get taken out by Price of Progress not once but twice. Someone's gotta punish these nonbasics, and I'm glad Tomer's rising to the occasion.
@@lloydbeaufils3335 but Tomer was playing good cards, surely Richard could just take out players playing good cards so it's something that does not matter?
@wedgearyxsaber What? Richard had two Lost Vales. He was playing good cards.
Wow thanks for the spoiler...
Everyone but Tomer is so greedy with their land base that Price of Progress is pretty much a silver bullet for everyone else at the table. Seth was basically stranded with colorless lands the first game and Tomer destroying them actually fixed his mana.
That copied Price of Progress was so satisfying! Made extra juicy with Richard's salt as well, calling casting and copying a single spell "Storm"
"No amount of basics" - guy who would have lived with two basics
Nah they can’t because they lack mana rocks it looks like
its actually incredible how good nonbasic land hate is in this meta. ive never seen a price of progress do that much damage LOL
Ya, most of them are greedy, but Richard is insanely greedy. In both games if any of his lands were basics he would have lived. I wonder if he'll learn from this or not, heh
@@sashajelten No, because he was playing against a "storm" deck.
“I can’t play around this”
Richards kinda forgetting how price is symmetrical and Tomer is living through it
Armageddon is symmetrical too.
@@wchenfuli mean 1. They have very different effects and 2. Armaggedon also has stuff to counter it.
@@donb7519 The effect of both cards usually just plays as "counter this or you don't get to play the game".
@@wchenful price is just a burn spell. It literally just deals damage.
@@donb7519 Yes, and armageddon just destroys lands. The point is that both cards are super oppressive and generally lock a large percentage of casual decks out of the game. I can name a ton of other different effects which have the same outcome - infinite combos, stax, thoracle consult, underworld breach etc. Every single one has a different function but an identical outcome.
Love the price of progress, I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much salt over it, but that’s just some good seasoning on this good food
👑TOMER👑
Next week on podcast
Richard; “you can’t play non basics people will just kill you”
Tomer, I look forward to you running Ruination and From the Ashes in future weeks. Punish the greedy mana bases! Edit: they OTTER run more basics!
Loved the Price of Progress! But mass LD just isn't fun, even if it is punishing greedy manabases
I laughed so hard at that price of progress. So happy for Tomer
I love how the comments show the large support Tomar has for punishing the greed of the rest of the crew. Though I’m willing to bet that price of progress will be banned by Richard by next episode (like he did with Ruination).
It's fun to see Richard so salty about the price of progress kill. About time someone capitalized on the non basic greed
not just non-basic greed, also the rediculous "do nothing but greedily ramp" that's been plaguing every Green deck
It feels so good to have price of progress punish the rampant land debauchery going on here
THE RETURN OF THE KING.
Seriously, when Tomer mentioned the value of basic lands i expected something like this to happen but i didn't expected that final victory. What an amazing game!!!
Love the salt over Price of Progress. Tomer is the hero we wanted and needed.
Phil:
Richard: Lets Hop to it
Tomer: Otterly Amazing
Seth: Hoping to Squeak out a victory
I respect the German distain for cringe
it's hard to fit waschbär in a converation
"I'm here to strangle chickens and eat trash and I'm all out of chickens"
if he has said pile of trash instead pile of raccoons that would have fit
Germans discovered comedy in 2020, Phil will get around to make jokes like this
Why are they surprised the spellslinging focused tribe slung spells? They were less annoyed when crim broke the rules of abc week
Because the rest of them are basically playing draft chaff tribal and Tomer is just playing a spell slinger deck. I'm towards the end of game 1 and it is... a lot of Tomer taking his turn.
@@boopmcdoop7841 but otters want to be in a spell slinger deck? Like most of them refrence instants and sorceries
@@donb7519 right, and I think for a properly balanced pod, when they had whatever kind of discussion they have each week about whose playing what, the rest probably shoulda just asked Tomer to pick a different kindred for the week. except squirrels, and maybe rats, because Otters, Squirrels, and Rats are waaaay above the other 7 kindreds in terms of raw power.
Or, alternatively, Tomer coulda built a Spellslinger deck that doesn't focus on "storming off" (defined here as casting/ copying multiple instants and sorceries in succession during a single turn in order to accrue resources and value that buries your opponents). For example, an otter deck focused on combat tricks to take advantage of their many prowess triggers. Or an X-spells deck, focusing on casting a few really big instants and sorceries each turn rather then a lot of cheap ones/copies. Building sub-optimally like that would be more in line with the others, as they had a token commander with almost no ways to make tokens (beylan), a racoon deck focused on just casting raccoons rather then their synergy with animating artifacts and enchantments (honestly, the precon commander might be a good stax commander), and a mouse deck with a commander that would much rather be a voltron commander with lots of equipment matters stuff.
@@donb7519 The prowess otter commander would be waaaaay less toxic of a pick. Seth and Richard are trying to win through combat damage with creatures that are pretty mediocre even in limited, while Tomer wins by just playing/copying commander staple instants and sorceries.
Game 2 was much better, but Game 1 was, in my opinion, pretty lame due to Tomer's deck.
How was it lame? Yeah the combat focused deck isn't going to storm off, obviously. And pretty weird that the "draft chaff" decks are triple ramping and copying 3-mana lands😅
Hey, Niuttuc, just here to say I still appreciate your work! These games are looking so clean and all transitions and sounds are so smooth.
Thanks, man. Great job!
No problem, particularly since I don't edit them anymore, so it's much easier on me! Shout-out to Morgan @geeknseek for the work instead!
@@Niuttuc You don't? Sorry, man. I didn't know. Didn't intended to make this awkward. So Morgan, thank you for such a smooth editing. It feeels pretty nice.
@@terraqueo89 Thanks and you're welcome!
very cool copy spell deck! Disregard salt from the rest of the table, as audience we loved the plays and also the nonbasic obsession punish!
Tomer plays a 2 mana spell "Look at this man going full CEDH over here."
I'm so glad you guys rule 0'd Lutri into the 99.
The amount of actions Seth needs to take just to attack with one 6/6 per turn is hilarious to me
Richard “watch out tomer I might play interaction”
Yes, please cast fog against the spellslinger deck 🤭
The man who doesn't believe in spot removal when noncombat damage enters the room
Me watching Tomer copy price of progress: YES... HA HA HA... YES!
Sicko!
As a legacy burn player, PoPping people out of the game is a time honored tradition that will always put a smile on my face
tomer is the hero the comments section has been begging for
DESTROY THEM TOMER. The people are with you.
Slight spoiler...
Thank you, Tomer for wrecking these terrible mana bases. I can't wait to see Blood Moons, Back to Basics and Ruinations in the future.
Was anyone else just a little surprised at how much arm hair Tomer has? I didn't realize... HE WAS AN OTTER
Tomer crushing the non-basic meta was very satisfying
Most cathartic Richard kill I’ve ever witnessed
I am starting to think it is objectively correct in the Clash pod to not run Yavimaya or Urborg.
I think that applies in general. If you're running them in a dual or mono-colored deck they are usually just fixing your opponents' mana.
The fact they run them when Richard loves to go colorless in his 3 color deck
Unless you have land walk of the matching type then it usually is incorrect to play them.
There are some good synergies if you play them. Arbor Elf lets you untap any forest so if you have something like Bounceland it is 4 mana then. I also use Yavimaya as a part of silly 3 card combo that wipes all opponents lands. They can also help you play around some stax efects but usually this is not relevant. I definetely agree with you however that because they all run so many utility lands it tends to help others more.
yes, Yavimaya on turn 2/3 absolutely helped both Richard and Seth play on curve what they needed, crazy to just allow that lol
Can we collect Richard's tears from this episode? More complaining over price of progress than crim literally not following the prompt of last week's episode but go off king 😂
Man, I didn't know that copying a single spell like, once, counted as a Storm win. Richard really dumping some knowledge on us. Just like how single target removal is always terrible.
...Wait a second...
YES TOMER PUNISH THEM FOR THEIR GREEEEEED!
Richard realizing he has no game against spellslinger decks and gets hated out with price of progress is gold. Tomer played all the otters too while the table was playing their open the ways and trouble in pairs so there's really no argument against it
Tomer is definitely the hero we needed but didn't deserve.
Love seeing him blowing the others out of the water because of their extra greedy land bases.
It's extra feels good because Richard got a lil salty for it too.
For me, the feel goods of seeing Tomer punish the pod for their greedy manabases is kinda offset by just how unbalanced the pod overall was. Even with their greedy mana bases, Seth, Richard, and Phil were all essentially playing draft-chaff. deck, while tomer brought an actual tuned spellslinger/storm deck (I argue storm because it was focused on repeatedly casting/ copying a bunch of spells to drown his opponents in value, which is exactly what storm does, there are other spellslinger archetypes that don't do this). Since the other 3 were bringing janky decks, woulda been nice to see Tomer follow along in the spirit and play a more janky deck, like frogs or bats.
That aint storm, its spellslinger. Also, otters encourage spellslinging, so it was still within the theme.@darkflame9410
@@zachadsit5095 hence why I said spellslinger/storm. “Spellslinger” is just slang for “instants and sorceries matter”. The otters encourage a storm-style spellslinger deck (where you try to win by casting/copying many spells a turn to bury your opponents). But there are also spellslinger decks that focus on just casting 1-2 big spells (like the spellslinger precon from Strixhaven) or even combat tricks like Zada.
My complaint isn’t that the otters weren’t on theme though, it’s that they were much stronger than the rest of the pod’s decks. If it had been a pod of Otters vs Birds vs Squirrels vs Rats, then I think it would’ve been more balanced. But the other guys were playing mice, rabbits, and raccoons. Meaning they were essentially playing draft chaff and all of them pointed out their decks had next to no synergies because there wasn’t enough support to do so. My complaint was maybe it would’ve been better (from a balance perspective) for tomer to have played a “weaker” kindred, like frogs or bats.
@@darkflame9410 Just look at the decklists. Everyone was playing powerful cards alongside the janky support from Bloomburrow. Seth played a trouble in pairs along with common mice like tomer played jeska's will with common otters. Hell, Phil had a Jeska's will in the decklist. Richard running his classic suite of Teferi's protection and farewell. seth had the one ring in his list. How is it Tomer the only one who isn't playing fair? I think its just cuz his commander is a little more powerful than the rest in a vacuum.
@@darkflame9410 I also just double checked for you. Tomer played every otter in his color identity in paper. All 19 of them. Not counting changelings. He full committed to the theme even playing the otter divination. Rest of the table did the same and just rounded out their cards with classic staples. What else did you want him to do? Play a worse commander?
So satisfying to see the table get so salty. Nice job Tomer!
Richard's in white and green: You can't counter Price of Progress! There's no counterplay!
Richard when he leaves the commander that doubles spells in play for a turn cycle
Richard dying to Price of Progress is the highlight of my week. Great games as always!
Why isn’t Richard playing birds
I waited all week to see Richard play birds. He’s talked up his birds a lot and I’ve never seen him play it.
They're too strong.
Or Seth frogs
@@ricepresidents he played it on older eps of clash, when they were on mtgo
A right and just question my liege!
I expect so much more of this from tomer going forward lmao, it’s good to have the [spoiler]
King of basics is back
Tomer popping off with nonbasic land hate and forcing searching for basics is amazing.
Price of Progress FTW! Punish those non-basics!
Seth your mana base for a low to the ground aggressive deck was a touch painful to watch...
but MDFCs!!!!!!!!!!!
The crew complaining about Tomer's spellslinger deck when otters literally want you to sling spells, they don't have the otter mindset. Let's go Tomer, represent the otters!
IGNORE THE SALT TOMER your storm kills were so funny to watch
4:45 me sowing
1:08:06 me reaping
Lol Tomer is the main character this week
Otters have to win. For Lutri's sake.
Otters workship lutri who has been prebanned to save all otters from their sins
Tomer was the hero of the game lol 🤣
I really enjoy tomers non basic hate.
Calling that storm is an insult to storm. I’ve noticed a trend where “casual”commander is becoming bland green based midrange fest with slightly different flavors.
When Richard played a Izzet deck a few weeks back it felt underwhelming and underpowered. Even though he won a game it was bc everyone ignored him bc he wasn’t doing much. But a similar thing happens to every deck that doesn’t play green.
It was so nice to see a non green deck actually win and be viable. That’s do to it doing what its supposed to do and not apologizing for it.
Yes Richard you did loose to a combo deck that untaps and can potentially win. With actual otters btw lutri coming in last second for the clutch was so amazing. But you also didn’t run any interaction to deal with it. If you built your deck to only play with and handle opposing creature decks then that’s on you for running into a combo deck.
If you’re gonna salt out about “combo” decks then you will homogenize the format into a green based midrange fest as it’s slowly becoming.
Punish the greedy mana! Tomer you are my hero and I am sooo happy to have you back!
I really hope we get a Redwall Secret Lair because I want a Mathias version of Mabel.
You know what else would have stopped Tomer's "storm"?
Single target removal on his commander 😂 I think they're feeling the sting without Crim to police the threats
what a cathartic game
Sad that there's no frog this week after Tomer Flubbed it.
I see what you did there.
Justice for Tomer the entire table needs to be punished more if a FOG meta can exist punish non-basics until a basic meta exists
I miss Crim. The world is a wild and scary place with no removal.
absolutely incredible thank you for being the basic land hero we needed tomer.
Greatly amused at how often 'are we dead' is asked when there's just one big mouse.
Richard constantly doubling after getting exposed is hilarious lol
Seeing the crew get salty that they got punished for running nonbasics will always be hilarious
I love Richard, but tutoring basics instead of non-basics definitely would have made a difference. He was just being stubborn. Until the crew starts tuning down their mana bases a little bit, they deserve to be Price of Progress'd or Ruination'd or Bloodmoon'd every game.
I'm getting to the point where I long for a season where a player using a card locks themselves out of using it for the rest of the season (except basics and various mana fixing lands). Even their jank-themed decks feel more optimized than most actual commander decks I see in the wild.
But you don't understand, he'd have to run all basics to not be killed... when Richard was the only one to die to the double PoP and could have survived by having 2 basics out of his 8 lands that showed that clearly the only way to survive is by running a deck with over half the lands be basics, 2/8 is greater than one half that's just math. And it's not like he could have used his fetchlands to get a basic land instead of a nonbasic after seeing that his opponent was running PoP.
Richard just casually being a true flavored rabbit deck by stipping out multible Offsprings at once.
Cinder Glade with 6 basics is a bold move.
THANK YOU TOMER. Phil optimizes sooooo heavily for specifically the Clash meta, a slow and uninteractive one. If you cant stop a shoddy, multipstep jeskas will tuen, you deserve to die to it! Single target removal at instant speed instead of wrath sorceries woild have saved him.
Dang, them making fun of Tomer for running a lot of basics and then proceeding to lose because of all their nonbasics is the ultimate karma
Birds - left out because BIRDS AREN'T REAL
Price of progress is like my favorite card to see lately! So satisfying
Hehe, “Hair to Craigblade”
Poor Elusive Otter Tomer Forgot it existed in his literally every Otter
It was too elusive, even for me :(
Bloomburrow printed all these otters with cool spellslinger and storm synergies. I hope no one builds them to utilize those synergies though. I would be upset if I saw the cards in this set used the way they were intended, and would much rather just see the otters getting through for combat damage every turn with maybe some lords and anthem effects to make them big. That's the flavor I'm looking for in showcasing these cards.
I swear, Richard has never had fun in his life.
Love Tomer getting kills off of Price of Progress. How the turn tables.
Tribal Bloomburrow week seems pretty fair. Even with strong card adv engines, they can only play weird fable creatures. Feels balanced.
There are to many comments about the delight that is Price of Progress for me to like them all.
Crim would have owned that casting Jeska's Will 3 times in one turn counts as "storming off" and that's why he's the best heel.
When Crim first showed up I did not vibe with him, but man, he quickly (VERY quickly) became my favorite Goldfish member simply because he has no qualms being the bad guy lol. And this is no hate to the rest of the group, I just love that Crim has no issue being the heel and revels in the Boo's. MTG needs more Heels in general - people we love to hate.
@@joshuavelo4265 Absolutely. I have 0 problem with a player having "that deck" when they revel in the heat the attract. Owning the villain role makes it fun.
Seth has "I was painting stuff" hands today.
Lol, yeah. I've been painting my house and it turns out paint is hard to get off your hands sometimes.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander It is! I have "painting clothes" for a similar reason.
That price of progress in game one had me ROLLING with laughter.
Mad that otters are doing the thing it was supposed to do 😅
YES TOMER!!!
We need Crim back just for that Otter pun in the first 20 seconds, get him off the naughty step 😂
So, I have been confused lately. Tomer is back for several episodes, and they keep saying "last season" or "this season", indicating that there was a season change-over, but the episode names do not indicate this, and there were no stats or a farewell episode. What is the current season and cast, and how is it working currently?
Crim was gone for a month doing wotc stuff and is still in the process of moving into a new place. I subbed in for the last episodes of the season (this is the season finale). Because Crim isn't set up yet we're going ahead and starting the next season next week, but we will be getting a stats episode with Crim soon! Probably in 2 weeks.
@@tomerabramovici32 Are we allowed to know what "WotC stuff" means? I don't have social media so I never know if something is a secret, or if it was discussed outside of UA-cam.
Did Phil have the option of bats? Feels like the bloomburrow creature type that would thrive in Commander actually.
Doesn’t have green in it so he’s allergic to the color combination 😂
Tomer: I'm playing every otter ever printed.
Lutri: ...
Lutri was in there! :D
@@Vaeldrath Banned!
@@InOzWeTrustonly banned because of that companion ability! Perfectly fine card in the 99, or the command zone
@@winter945 technically Companion shouldn't work in EDH because we don't have sideboards.
I say we un-allow the Companion exception and free the otter.
0:37 does that include banned one?
I feel like the otters lend themselves to storm, so I was a bit confused when Tomer was denying it as heavily, cause that's what the otters want to do. Prowess, storm, copies ya know?
The amount of salt after price of progress was insane tho
yeah, I feel like maybe otters just weren't a good pick for this pod, they lean to heavily into a naturally strong archetype. I'd have pitted the otters against something like the Squirrels and/or rats.
The salt for the price of progress from Richard is something else