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Nicely done. I don't agree with the idea that Papa Smurf lost his nerve, but I would say he lost his zeal. He lost his blind zeal to prosecute the wars of humanity.
A buddy of mine runs dreadwing Eskaton Imperative as his heresy army and it’s in-shop nickname is the war crimes division. Salt the earth and burn the sky.
@@adrienwatson2179 Ah, ah, ah! It's only a Warcrime if the Lords of Terra put you on trial! ... And out there in the void of space, Nobody can hear so much as a scream!
The Imperium of Mankind never comits warcrimes, to suggest such is Heresy and you're not a heretic are you? _The quiet hiss of a heavy flamer can be heard as the words drops off questioningly_
Guilliman did indeed never like the Destroyer-formations. He had them in his Legion, theirs were weapon he could use but never really wanted to. From my reading of the lore, the Primarchs most in farvor of the extensive use of destroyer-weapons and formations was The Lion, Mortarion, Ferrus Manus and Perturabo. Ferrus and Perturabo wouldn't use them needlessly, Mortarion would use them often and the Lions ethos of war was perhaps best embodied by his terrible Dreadwing.
Nemesis is honestly one of the more redeeming (from the Ward Era) formations in my eyes for the Ultramarines, their tendency to try too hard, exemplified in even their Destroyers.
As a newcomer to the lore of Warhammer 30 and 40K, this is what makes Roboute Guilliman so interesting. You can see at the end of the Heresy you have the feeling that he just wanted to save the imperium at all costs, even if it meant tossing out the baby with the bath water. The Codex has instituted out of fear, not really thought through. Yet when you look at the Guilliman of today, you see a man that has regrets. The loss of a father, brothers, and more importantly the thought that he might have been wrong to break up the legions for the imperium has fallen so much. I don’t think if we strapped down Guilliman and gave me a dose of truth serum he would admit that the breaking of the legions were a mistake, but his actions so it. The aggressiveness of the Indomitius Crusade, and more importantly his conversation with Dante, telling him to rebuild Baal into a beacon in the North.
Thats the feeling I got as well. He is a commander weighed down by regrets. Much of the writing has been questionable with maguffin cawl leading the pack but girlyman was at least pretty well written.
@@Colonel_Overkill one of the things I noticed is when he visited the Space Wolves to give them their Primaris marines, he didn’t even care that they were Codex compliant. Does this mean by his actions that the codex by his own admission not something to be dealt with anymore. Heck, you have Dante in the North as Regent, some what in charge of a legion. Yes, they maybe in chapters. Let’s not forget the Dark Angels that literally act like a legion when it is comes to a certain group.
You have to really think about how TERRIBLE Horus turning traitor was. It seems crazy that Guilliman would demand Dorn, The Khan, Leman Russ, The Lion etc split their legions... they were LOYAL, they were true to the Emperor But Horus turning was even MORE unthinkable, He was the greatest, most loved and trusted of ALL his brothers Him turning traitor was impossible. Guilliman must have figured as much, BEFORE the Heresy, it could be thought that some loyalists would have turned traitor farrrrr more easily than Horus. So yeah, mayne not the greatest decision... but you can see why it was neccessary
He didn't have to either Instead of pushing his codex he could have just made it optional and held meetings between the primarchs/legion masters every hundred or so years Divide the galaxy between the nine loyalist legions w 2 per segmentum and the fists taking care of Terra and segmentum solar and you're good
Alchemical weapons, radiation munitions, the creeping horror of phosphex. Each piece of wargear killing is bearer almost as swiftly as it kills it’s target.
I don't think old Rowboat Girlyman intended the codex to last as long as it has in its original format, getting demon stabbed kinda missed up the long term goals. I think the codex was likely a holding pattern plan to maintain order during a period of MASSIVE reorganization. He was likely looking for a structure that would give a crusad enough force to concore anything in front of it, but not enough force that it turn and be treat to what's behind it. G-man had built the largest galactic empire of any primarch WITHOUT marines before the empor found him, dude knew what it took to be in the right position to expand.
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The Destroyer Squads had one singular purpose design by the Emperor of Mankind and that is simply to destroy anything in their way. Whether with Bolter fire or heavy weapons they will pursue, located, and destroy any Human or Xenos enemy, and without any moment of hesitation or doubt will completely and utter decimated any foe in their path, but during Horus Heresy these Destroyer Squad prove to be just as deadly to their former comrades as they were to any other enemy before the Horus Heresy.
I don't think it's as extreme as "Guillamen lost it" since I think that didn't happen until he returned. In the present he might very well be so broken by dissapointment he's only fighting out of stubborness like his father. A point to be made for Robout's mindset is wether he recognized the problem in preserving an Empire that can't expand and had a plan for it. In the Horus Heresy the Primarchs sometimes talk about what will happen after the Crusade. My impresion (not sure) is that he always expected the Emperor to restructure the Emperium. Removing the Destroyers was likely a continuation of the paranoia left after the Heresy, the less heavy weapons available to the "ordinary" soldier the better in his mind.
One thought, with the removal of the destroyer squads was noy just because of the more defensive mindset/lack of resources, but A) the lack of trust in the Space Marines themselves (as mirrored with other aspects of the Imperium's war machines such as Guard infantry being separate from tanks) so that no one chapter could wield such devastating weapons and B) the overall roll of the Space Marines changed from being the spearhead of the Imperium's armies to being the special forces of the imperium, designed for quick and surgical strikes, thus the long grueling slogs where the Destroyers were needed no longer applies to their combat role. Guilliman's primarch novel "Roboute Guilliman: Lord of Ultramar" goes into his thoughts on Destroyers, and while he didn't like them he did see that there were occasions for their use. In the modern Imperium, I would say the roll the Destroyer squads played is split between the Inquisition (the more esoteric weapons) the Mechanicus (Skitarii Vanguard) and the Navy (orbital dropped weapons up to exterminatus). Note for the navy, the Last Chancers's novel shows the navy can deploy "limited" scale virus and other devastating weapons to targets, much like what the destroyer squads of old did, so they are not just limed to full exterminatus
Baldernort, I have a huge appreciation for your style of "Putting yourself in the shoes" of your subject matter. When talking about destroyers, Guilliman is the enemy, when talking about Eldar, The Imperium and Astartes are MONKE. BUT, when you talk about Gaurdsman, the Astartes are the Angels of the Emperor It really immerses me in your videos!!! Cheers!
The Destroyers are my favourite unit from the Horus Heresy, and once again the Dark Angels are better in an area of expertise then the specialist legions. Plasma flamers, monomolecular acid shells and things such as men of iron and terminators armed with phosphex incinerator cannon are but a few of the things the Dark Angels brought with them.
Indeed. The Death Guard are known for using more Destroyers than anyone else, just as the White Scars use more bikers. But the Dark Angels Deathwing were the *best* destroyers, just as the Raven Wing were (and are) the *best* bikers
@@brooklynkeith2877 They are slaves and one of the upgrades you can give them is a kill switch, in case it goes berserk. They are called the Excindio Class "Battle-Automata"
@@brooklynkeith2877 They are controlled by the Iron Bringer and Dread Bringer jointly, only deployed at the Lions express command. Usually when facing a foe no *living* thing could face. They are a secret from everyone outside the First Legion except the Emperor. Imagine if Mars found out.....
The fact that so few talk about your story in this one is MADNESS!! You turned the pale king from a primarch I hardly regarded as note worthy pre-heresy, into a primarch I NEED to see more stories with. Either you played him up so damn hard, or I just haven't been paying enough attention, cause that cold, deathly facade, mixed with the brutal warrior culture, is just so damn cool.
I get the feeling this guy ends up a demon at some point... Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Thrown! Farts for the Inquisition! Comments for the Algorithm!
The Angels Tears are devastating in combat and in game it’s shown too via their requiem i love when Sanguinius is mentioned yes he was an amazing person but he had his own savagery which really came out in the signus campaign the characters are always well represented here for the good and the bad
I'd go you one further... Gilliman not only lost his courage, but also took council of and husbanded his fears and paranoia. He did all he could to weaken all the other Primarchs while paying only lip service to the restrictions he laid down by keeping his Realm of Ultramar and strict control over his "Puppet Chapters" within it. He broke faith with his brothers and demanded their subservience to his New Order under penalty of death... and he did this in direct violation of the word of his Father by Promoting and using the false and forbidden worship of the Emperor as a God to do so in order to gain control, even knowing this abomination came from the mind of a Fallen Primarch. In this he singlehandedly set back the Empire Of Man and steered it on to a divergent path that lead to internal strife, self sustaining weakness, and built-in ineffectiveness. As with most Cowards, he masked his weakness in _Good Intentions_ and thus paved the road to Hell... Before driving all into it.
Honestly the betrayal and terrors of the heresy gave girlyman a massive case of PTSD. As a result he trashed everything in a knee jerk reaction, had he not been stuffed in a freezer he may have seen sense and rescinded the codex or at least modified it to be less restrictive.
Think about it. Before the Heresy. It was considered UNTHINKABLE that Horus would turn. Horus was the most loyal and beloved So maybe Guilliman thought, if Horus can turn... ANYONE can. Makes sense, it was a MAJOR mistake, but kinda understandable
@@adrienwatson2179 So if one of your family members breaks the law, you throw everyone in Prison??? If you find a spy, you kill everyone??? If one person robs you, you shoot everybody??? NO... He punished loyal Astartes that fought for the Emperor, and he didn't even get there in time to help... Robot Girlyman is an overcompensating dickhead with an inflated sense of self-worth. His reaction is NOT understandable. In fact, it is SUS AF considering he used the circumstances to seize power for himself while weakening PROVEN Loyalist Legions.
I love these tales that you weave great bard, specially with these kinds since we read or hear so few of the wars with xenos that the Great Crusade encountered. The destroyers are some of my favorite formations of the Astartes, the sheer destruction they can met out is utterly unbelievable for a squad, although transhuman, still a squad.
Hey Baldy, that theory on roboute's mental state when he wrote the codex is very thought provoking. When a mind is subjected to extreme trauma it has a tendency to cling to what is familiar and logical thought can be impossible. I had read somewhere that when roboute returned he was shocked that the codex had become the absolute rule by which so many chapters were governed by. This theory is brilliant and in my thoughts extremely likely. Love your vids and story telling.
Excellence as always balderort!. yo there is a new guy on the block, next collab video you do you should include Warrior Tier. i think with both of your voices combined all other lore channels would TREMBLE!
There are about 12 new guys on the block each week. I don’t have time for collabs. I’m sure they’ll all do intensely well. They have every advantage I don’t. So I’m sure hard graft will pay off and I will then have to retire. Goody.
@@panzerspahwagen527 To be honest, Warrior Tier was okay, But he uses the EXACT same "Epic voice" no matter what he says You cant talk about logistics in an "Epic voice" and expect people not to laugh
There are only three words that disturb me at the end of your vids: "To be continued"... because your impatient acolyte always wants more... now. Magnificent... yet again.
Man... i feel sorry for those xenos. They were minding their own buisness and then had the Death guard dropped on them. Thats some seriously bad luck. The only thing worse would have been the night lords.
Gentle storyteller, I love the tale you've been weaving of Sergeant Ullic (sp?) and his squad's journey through your 30k unit entries. You're really capturing the indomitable endurance of Mortarion's XIV! If the tale spans millennia, I'm definitely curious to see how and where it goes. Please, keep up the excellent work.
Great work as usual Brother Balders. Thank you for covering one of my favourite units, and I must say Ullek (sp?) and his squad are quickly rising up the ranks of your amazing characters.
I do not think the phasing out of Destroyer weaponry was a matter of resources or lost technology. A hundred techno-barbarian warlords each with a tiny patch of Terra's corpse to rule over managed to scrape together the resources to develop and produce them. I'd say it was more a corollary to the hard cap of 1,000 astartes per chapter. Having seen enough of what these weapons can do in astartes on astartes combat, Gulliman must have known these weapons made such numerical limits pointless. 1,000 rogue astartes each armed with them could be a match for one of the smaller pre-heresy legions and just as much a threat. But that's just my opinion.
I can see the Sons Of Sanguinius holding up pretty well to radiation. They have the blood of Sanguinius running through their veins and he was highly immune to radiation. Even as an infant when he was discovered he was unaffected by it while those who found him had to be sealed up in heavy rad-suits just to venture out. I think the Angels recruited from Baal would be even more immune than those recruited from Terra.
I've finally built up the courage to listen to your Heresy Era story. I say courage, as I am well acquainted with your storytelling by now, and Chaos is nothing for the faint. Should be a wild ride. Thanks in advance Baldermort. I hope to be able to repay you for your craft, one day soon.
Ah yes, more HH lore. I love it. I'm planning on getting into 30k with loyalist Emperor's Children, though that is partly an excuse for me to save money and use my 40k Space Marines since they are descendants of loyalist EC, lol. Dunno if I'll use Destroyers for them, but now I'm tempted to add some of the warcrime boys to my list.
My gods baldermort. Your point is made, my primarch took away what they were made to do, conquer. But I do not agree it wasn't for the best, for the imperiums perseverance for 10000 year's, showing the skill and zeal, it is still there, and holding the line, and now, the push has begun again. What will 10th edition look like, we can only wonder
You know, I thought the fatman and the mini nukes it fires in Fallout were tongue-in-cheek stupid enough (And fit so perfectly in that parodical setting), but... rad grenades are something else, even by Warhammer standards. Kamikaze space marines! We can indeed go grimderper! My thanks to you, sir, from one baldy to another. Hmm, maybe we've both been too close to destroyer squads...
Fat Man style tactical nukes were a thing but shot from a recoilless rifle launcher. A last ditch suicidal thing but they were thought of. Small tactical nukes can be carried by modern craft. Really they should be used more often in lore by Marines especially against ork WAAAGH!’s or Emperor help you tyranids. It’s the only way to stop that large a force in its tracks. And air burst tactical nukes aren’t *that* bad for a biosphere. Your average Mechanicum factory would do far worse. But we have to be Derp even when being smart would be darker.
You have me cheering on the Death Guard Brother Baldermort! True herasy but by the gods this was an amazing tale and one I really hope you expand on. Fantastic amazing and thoroughly enjoyable. You've been putting out some real bangers in short order!
Funny thing, while there are no rules for them in 40k, I can't really find anything that says they are truly gone. They're barely even mentioned in any source, actually. Also, Guilliman did use them, particularly during the Heresy and Scouring. The 22nd Chapter was the reason the Ultramarines weren't overrun at Calth and eventually prevailed. I also think you're forgetting that Guilliman was fairly pragmatic, a less generous soul might say hypocritical, when it came to the Codex Astartes. The 4th Chapter, what became the Aurora Chapter during the 2nd Founding, has been noted as NOT following Guilliman's ideas and yet they are considered Codex Compliant despite being noted as armored warfare specialists second to none with multiple times the vehicles of other chapter, which isn't possible without exploiting a loophole a mile wide with a nudge and a wink. They're also noted as maintaining in sevice Heresy-era vehicles and Firestorm, their homeworld, is supposed to be some giga-Forgeworld. I think it's much the same with the Nemesis Chapter. They have almost no deployment record between M31 and M41, but they're still around, which is usually an indication of Inquisition shenanigans. What is the Inquisition most famous for? Exterminatus. What were Destroyer units used for? Exterminatus. So, yeah, they probably are still rocking around doing the Imperium's dirty work and they probably have an alliance with a specific Forgeworld that never lost the ability to produce those sorts of weapons.
Loved you’re take on the destroyer units. I’m building a word bearers legion with argel tal but also I love the moritat centurion. So jet pack ashen circle, destroyer assault squads with some twisted gal vor bak & a mhara gal dread it is remember death to the false god emperor & let the galaxy burn in phosphex bombs, melta, hellfire & toxin bombs 😈.
Warhammer 30k is so jam-packed with uber-maximum lethality weapons. Some of the absolute highlight would be; Phospex-flame weapons, Rad-bombs, Wartex-missiles, warp-missiles Life-eater virus-bombs and of course the unknown dark tech the Dreadwing had reserved for its exclusive use, my personal farvorite being the "psychic-delete heavybolter. Yes that one is canon....
Horus Heresy needs a game with different campaigns as the Primarch's in different sectors of the Galaxy. There would have to be multiple games for different legions and areas of the Galaxy but it would be so epic of done correctly
Yes papa smurf lost his spine, but he was also consorting with chaos so he could become the new Emperor of Mankind. That's why I will never play a codex compliant chapter.
Dear Uncle Baldermort. Tytyty for all the videos. As I told you before on Patreon (Kenneth Henshaw) I watch the Space Wolves and Imperial Fists videos over and over. This Cancer and Chemo is kicking my old ass but I’ll be an ugly Snotling if your videos don’t make me feel better. Tytytyty.
I’m so sorry brother Henshaw. I’ve been remiss. I got covered in a landslide of cobblers recently. (Red tape and paperwork) and it’s annihilated my response times. Sorry. :(. I cannot tell you how sorry I am you are going through all of that. It’s awful. Keep fighting! Kick it’s ass back brother.
The difference between roboute and any other Primarch is that they win when the enemy can not fight back when he has not the muscle to raise a fist to the Emperor. Roboute only wins when the enemies farms feed the Guard when his factories make lasguns when his people praise the Emperor for it is all they ever have known and all they ever will know
My Thousand Sons have a good number of Destroyer squads with them. After Prospero, several squads that had been ruined by either Prospero or other purges decided to rearm as Destroyers, to wreak Vengeance on a galaxy that had wronged them.
Two episodes in, and I am so very glad I have treaded this fearful path. The Death Guard are my favorite of the Fallen Legions. It's a pity I must go to bed, so I can play D&D tomorrow morning. But I know what I will be doing directly after.
Oh I can't wait to hear about the Ordo Sinister....I do hope it's worthy of a good story ...a real meat and 3 veg affair with gravy and roast potatoes 😍😍😍
I think one interesting thing is I heard irl marines explain they are an offensive force, go, do something, return. And in a recent war were asked to be a defensive for e which was weird and against what they had learned. It was discomforting and put them on the wrong foot. Just something I read, but interesting comparison to the space marines being used as a shield instead of sword under Guiliman
The story section is a great depiction and remind that the imperium, despite being the pov faction, is evil. The death knell of a race, an offensive action instead of a defensive one against a similarly powerful alien empire to maintain their own holdings.
Personally, I think Guilliman was worried that kind of power falling into the wrong hands again. The Heresy had destroyed a lot, and he couldn't let anything more be destroyed or run that risk if he could avoid it.
SPACE MARINE DESTROYER SQUADS IN WARHAMMER 30000
The hideous weapons of the Unification wars and old night are banned. But there are some few that carry these forbidden arms, by writ of the Emperor or his sons alone.
The Legion Destoyer squads.
All stories are written by myself and are never, ever, to be considered cannon. They are simple ways to engage the listener so they can share the vision of the warhammer universe. In this instance, the 30K period of the Horus Heresy.
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That was awe inspiring! Ulek (sic?) is a total bad assss, doubled for the extra dose. Very cool, thank you, o mighty floaty skull.
Nicely done. I don't agree with the idea that Papa Smurf lost his nerve, but I would say he lost his zeal. He lost his blind zeal to prosecute the wars of humanity.
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A buddy of mine runs dreadwing Eskaton Imperative as his heresy army and it’s in-shop nickname is the war crimes division. Salt the earth and burn the sky.
You don't deploy Dreadwing, you commit Dreadwing.
Did someone say warcrimes???
(Flesh Tearer player here)
Reporting for duty
@@adrienwatson2179 Ah, ah, ah! It's only a Warcrime if the Lords of Terra put you on trial!
... And out there in the void of space, Nobody can hear so much as a scream!
They aren't War Crimes if you're the Victor, they're merely "unfortunate engagements with widespread collateral damage." ;)
The Imperium of Mankind never comits warcrimes, to suggest such is Heresy and you're not a heretic are you?
_The quiet hiss of a heavy flamer can be heard as the words drops off questioningly_
Guilliman did indeed never like the Destroyer-formations. He had them in his Legion, theirs were weapon he could use but never really wanted to.
From my reading of the lore, the Primarchs most in farvor of the extensive use of destroyer-weapons and formations was The Lion, Mortarion, Ferrus Manus and Perturabo. Ferrus and Perturabo wouldn't use them needlessly, Mortarion would use them often and the Lions ethos of war was perhaps best embodied by his terrible Dreadwing.
Indeed. The Lion and Mort had similar roles as Primarchs; to leave nothing standing of an enemy but there screams on the wind....
Nemesis is honestly one of the more redeeming (from the Ward Era) formations in my eyes for the Ultramarines, their tendency to try too hard, exemplified in even their Destroyers.
As a newcomer to the lore of Warhammer 30 and 40K, this is what makes Roboute Guilliman so interesting. You can see at the end of the Heresy you have the feeling that he just wanted to save the imperium at all costs, even if it meant tossing out the baby with the bath water. The Codex has instituted out of fear, not really thought through. Yet when you look at the Guilliman of today, you see a man that has regrets. The loss of a father, brothers, and more importantly the thought that he might have been wrong to break up the legions for the imperium has fallen so much. I don’t think if we strapped down Guilliman and gave me a dose of truth serum he would admit that the breaking of the legions were a mistake, but his actions so it. The aggressiveness of the Indomitius Crusade, and more importantly his conversation with Dante, telling him to rebuild Baal into a beacon in the North.
Thats the feeling I got as well. He is a commander weighed down by regrets. Much of the writing has been questionable with maguffin cawl leading the pack but girlyman was at least pretty well written.
Also guillimane and the ultramarines are totally different in 30k. They are so bad ass. "Know No Fear" is a banger of a book.
@@Colonel_Overkill one of the things I noticed is when he visited the Space Wolves to give them their Primaris marines, he didn’t even care that they were Codex compliant. Does this mean by his actions that the codex by his own admission not something to be dealt with anymore. Heck, you have Dante in the North as Regent, some what in charge of a legion. Yes, they maybe in chapters. Let’s not forget the Dark Angels that literally act like a legion when it is comes to a certain group.
You have to really think about how TERRIBLE Horus turning traitor was.
It seems crazy that Guilliman would demand Dorn, The Khan, Leman Russ, The Lion etc split their legions... they were LOYAL, they were true to the Emperor
But Horus turning was even MORE unthinkable,
He was the greatest, most loved and trusted of ALL his brothers
Him turning traitor was impossible.
Guilliman must have figured as much, BEFORE the Heresy, it could be thought that some loyalists would have turned traitor farrrrr more easily than Horus.
So yeah, mayne not the greatest decision... but you can see why it was neccessary
He didn't have to either
Instead of pushing his codex he could have just made it optional and held meetings between the primarchs/legion masters every hundred or so years
Divide the galaxy between the nine loyalist legions w 2 per segmentum and the fists taking care of Terra and segmentum solar and you're good
Alchemical weapons, radiation munitions, the creeping horror of phosphex.
Each piece of wargear killing is bearer almost as swiftly as it kills it’s target.
I don't think old Rowboat Girlyman intended the codex to last as long as it has in its original format, getting demon stabbed kinda missed up the long term goals.
I think the codex was likely a holding pattern plan to maintain order during a period of MASSIVE reorganization. He was likely looking for a structure that would give a crusad enough force to concore anything in front of it, but not enough force that it turn and be treat to what's behind it.
G-man had built the largest galactic empire of any primarch WITHOUT marines before the empor found him, dude knew what it took to be in the right position to expand.
Your take seems a bit biased (one must assume so when it comes to a lore with favorites among different chapters), but it bears weight.
@@PodreyJenkin138 I mean biased towards. Again, that is just an assumption on my part
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The Destroyer Squads had one singular purpose design by the Emperor of Mankind and that is simply to destroy anything in their way. Whether with Bolter fire or heavy weapons they will pursue, located, and destroy any Human or Xenos enemy, and without any moment of hesitation or doubt will completely and utter decimated any foe in their path, but during Horus Heresy these Destroyer Squad prove to be just as deadly to their former comrades as they were to any other enemy before the Horus Heresy.
and if they didn't die in the line of duty they died from the cancer the use of their weapons caused.
I don't think it's as extreme as "Guillamen lost it" since I think that didn't happen until he returned. In the present he might very well be so broken by dissapointment he's only fighting out of stubborness like his father. A point to be made for Robout's mindset is wether he recognized the problem in preserving an Empire that can't expand and had a plan for it. In the Horus Heresy the Primarchs sometimes talk about what will happen after the Crusade. My impresion (not sure) is that he always expected the Emperor to restructure the Emperium. Removing the Destroyers was likely a continuation of the paranoia left after the Heresy, the less heavy weapons available to the "ordinary" soldier the better in his mind.
One thought, with the removal of the destroyer squads was noy just because of the more defensive mindset/lack of resources, but A) the lack of trust in the Space Marines themselves (as mirrored with other aspects of the Imperium's war machines such as Guard infantry being separate from tanks) so that no one chapter could wield such devastating weapons and B) the overall roll of the Space Marines changed from being the spearhead of the Imperium's armies to being the special forces of the imperium, designed for quick and surgical strikes, thus the long grueling slogs where the Destroyers were needed no longer applies to their combat role.
Guilliman's primarch novel "Roboute Guilliman: Lord of Ultramar" goes into his thoughts on Destroyers, and while he didn't like them he did see that there were occasions for their use.
In the modern Imperium, I would say the roll the Destroyer squads played is split between the Inquisition (the more esoteric weapons) the Mechanicus (Skitarii Vanguard) and the Navy (orbital dropped weapons up to exterminatus). Note for the navy, the Last Chancers's novel shows the navy can deploy "limited" scale virus and other devastating weapons to targets, much like what the destroyer squads of old did, so they are not just limed to full exterminatus
Baldernort, I have a huge appreciation for your style of "Putting yourself in the shoes" of your subject matter.
When talking about destroyers, Guilliman is the enemy, when talking about Eldar, The Imperium and Astartes are MONKE.
BUT, when you talk about Gaurdsman, the Astartes are the Angels of the Emperor
It really immerses me in your videos!!!
Cheers!
Oh sweet the perfect way to end the work week! Thanks Balders!
Thanks for getting this episode out Mr. Baldimort, I like these Heresy episodes and stories.
The Destroyers are my favourite unit from the Horus Heresy, and once again the Dark Angels are better in an area of expertise then the specialist legions. Plasma flamers, monomolecular acid shells and things such as men of iron and terminators armed with phosphex incinerator cannon are but a few of the things the Dark Angels brought with them.
Indeed. The Death Guard are known for using more Destroyers than anyone else, just as the White Scars use more bikers. But the Dark Angels Deathwing were the *best* destroyers, just as the Raven Wing were (and are) the *best* bikers
the dark angels have men of iron tech that isnt hostile ?
@@brooklynkeith2877 They are slaves and one of the upgrades you can give them is a kill switch, in case it goes berserk. They are called the Excindio Class "Battle-Automata"
@@brooklynkeith2877 They are controlled by the Iron Bringer and Dread Bringer jointly, only deployed at the Lions express command. Usually when facing a foe no *living* thing could face. They are a secret from everyone outside the First Legion except the Emperor. Imagine if Mars found out.....
what a glorious bloodpumping battle master B ^^ thank you for the hearty carnage followed by the more delicatly presented lore
YES !!!! Finally a DeathGuard Narrative SSF !!! #HYPED
The fact that so few talk about your story in this one is MADNESS!! You turned the pale king from a primarch I hardly regarded as note worthy pre-heresy, into a primarch I NEED to see more stories with. Either you played him up so damn hard, or I just haven't been paying enough attention, cause that cold, deathly facade, mixed with the brutal warrior culture, is just so damn cool.
Nope. Morty is really interesting. I took the drink from a black library novel. It’s legit. He’s just scary, but very cool. ;)
I get the feeling this guy ends up a demon at some point...
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The Angels Tears are devastating in combat and in game it’s shown too via their requiem i love when Sanguinius is mentioned yes he was an amazing person but he had his own savagery which really came out in the signus campaign the characters are always well represented here for the good and the bad
Gods damn, that was a beautiful work baldermort!
Minotaurs Chapter: ...you mean just squads?
I'd go you one further... Gilliman not only lost his courage, but also took council of and husbanded his fears and paranoia. He did all he could to weaken all the other Primarchs while paying only lip service to the restrictions he laid down by keeping his Realm of Ultramar and strict control over his "Puppet Chapters" within it. He broke faith with his brothers and demanded their subservience to his New Order under penalty of death... and he did this in direct violation of the word of his Father by Promoting and using the false and forbidden worship of the Emperor as a God to do so in order to gain control, even knowing this abomination came from the mind of a Fallen Primarch. In this he singlehandedly set back the Empire Of Man and steered it on to a divergent path that lead to internal strife, self sustaining weakness, and built-in ineffectiveness. As with most Cowards, he masked his weakness in _Good Intentions_ and thus paved the road to Hell... Before driving all into it.
Honestly the betrayal and terrors of the heresy gave girlyman a massive case of PTSD. As a result he trashed everything in a knee jerk reaction, had he not been stuffed in a freezer he may have seen sense and rescinded the codex or at least modified it to be less restrictive.
Think about it.
Before the Heresy.
It was considered UNTHINKABLE that Horus would turn.
Horus was the most loyal and beloved
So maybe Guilliman thought, if Horus can turn... ANYONE can.
Makes sense, it was a MAJOR mistake, but kinda understandable
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So if one of your family members breaks the law, you throw everyone in Prison???
If you find a spy, you kill everyone???
If one person robs you, you shoot everybody???
NO... He punished loyal Astartes that fought for the Emperor, and he didn't even get there in time to help... Robot Girlyman is an overcompensating dickhead with an inflated sense of self-worth. His reaction is NOT understandable. In fact, it is SUS AF considering he used the circumstances to seize power for himself while weakening PROVEN Loyalist Legions.
Another fine video staring your Death Guard Legionnaires!
Oh… they’ve got things to do. Muhahaha. :)
I love these tales that you weave great bard, specially with these kinds since we read or hear so few of the wars with xenos that the Great Crusade encountered.
The destroyers are some of my favorite formations of the Astartes, the sheer destruction they can met out is utterly unbelievable for a squad, although transhuman, still a squad.
Destroyer squads are my favorite. I'm printing custom destroyer squad pauldrons for my NL and SOH armies and then UM after those are done.
Hey Baldy, that theory on roboute's mental state when he wrote the codex is very thought provoking. When a mind is subjected to extreme trauma it has a tendency to cling to what is familiar and logical thought can be impossible. I had read somewhere that when roboute returned he was shocked that the codex had become the absolute rule by which so many chapters were governed by. This theory is brilliant and in my thoughts extremely likely. Love your vids and story telling.
Another fantastic video about a truly epic unit of Legion warfare. And , like everything good in 30k, they were ruined by Rowboat
To be fair, I think he was dealing with severe ptsd with most of his brothers dead, gone, missing, or angry at him. That's a lot to deal with
Fuck yeah more heresy stuff. PUT IT MY VEINS!! 11!1
Excellence as always balderort!. yo there is a new guy on the block, next collab video you do you should include Warrior Tier. i think with both of your voices combined all other lore channels would TREMBLE!
There are about 12 new guys on the block each week.
I don’t have time for collabs. I’m sure they’ll all do intensely well. They have every advantage I don’t. So I’m sure hard graft will pay off and I will then have to retire. Goody.
@@Baldermort i didnt mean it like that man, sorry. wasnt trying to upset you, your still my favorite lore master.
@@panzerspahwagen527 To be honest, Warrior Tier was okay,
But he uses the EXACT same "Epic voice" no matter what he says
You cant talk about logistics in an "Epic voice" and expect people not to laugh
There are only three words that disturb me at the end of your vids: "To be continued"... because your impatient acolyte always wants more... now.
Magnificent... yet again.
YES! SO GOOD! KEEP MAKING ENTRIES!
Wonderful great FUN thankyu lore master Baldermort thankyu good sir
Good morning baldemort! Another good video before work 💪🏾
Oh, happy day! A lovely tale for my long drive. Thanks for this Baldimort.
Brother Baldermort! What a performance! Your storytelling and technical knowledge are second to none! BBB, B3 (bravo brother Baldermort) indeed!
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Man... i feel sorry for those xenos.
They were minding their own buisness and then had the Death guard dropped on them. Thats some seriously bad luck.
The only thing worse would have been the night lords.
When the Astartes arrive, Chapter or Legion, there is no good news to be found in their heraldry. It's only bad news, or WORSE news.
A squad of Doom Slayers... fear given form
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Gentle storyteller, I love the tale you've been weaving of Sergeant Ullic (sp?) and his squad's journey through your 30k unit entries. You're really capturing the indomitable endurance of Mortarion's XIV! If the tale spans millennia, I'm definitely curious to see how and where it goes. Please, keep up the excellent work.
I like this mans narration skills
Let's say the Geneva Convension was forgotten in Malcador's museum ^^
Great video, as always :3
Some where in the background the Dreadwing of the Mighty 1st just whistles while wiping out the world’s of the traitors.
Great work as usual Brother Balders. Thank you for covering one of my favourite units, and I must say Ullek (sp?) and his squad are quickly rising up the ranks of your amazing characters.
I do not think the phasing out of Destroyer weaponry was a matter of resources or lost technology. A hundred techno-barbarian warlords each with a tiny patch of Terra's corpse to rule over managed to scrape together the resources to develop and produce them.
I'd say it was more a corollary to the hard cap of 1,000 astartes per chapter. Having seen enough of what these weapons can do in astartes on astartes combat, Gulliman must have known these weapons made such numerical limits pointless. 1,000 rogue astartes each armed with them could be a match for one of the smaller pre-heresy legions and just as much a threat.
But that's just my opinion.
As always, your stories are the best in the fandom! Can't wait for more of these Death Guards!
Wow. Nicely done
I can see the Sons Of Sanguinius holding up pretty well to radiation. They have the blood of Sanguinius running through their veins and he was highly immune to radiation. Even as an infant when he was discovered he was unaffected by it while those who found him had to be sealed up in heavy rad-suits just to venture out. I think the Angels recruited from Baal would be even more immune than those recruited from Terra.
except for his mutant wings.
I have never played Warhammer. But I will listen to your videos all day. You make the storyline so interesting.
I've finally built up the courage to listen to your Heresy Era story. I say courage, as I am well acquainted with your storytelling by now, and Chaos is nothing for the faint. Should be a wild ride. Thanks in advance Baldermort. I hope to be able to repay you for your craft, one day soon.
thank you brother Baltermort for the story and the lore !
"The Destroyer Squad is dead. Long Live the Primaris Destroyor Squad."
Ah yes, more HH lore. I love it. I'm planning on getting into 30k with loyalist Emperor's Children, though that is partly an excuse for me to save money and use my 40k Space Marines since they are descendants of loyalist EC, lol. Dunno if I'll use Destroyers for them, but now I'm tempted to add some of the warcrime boys to my list.
This is a VERY interesting story, I'm excited to hear the rest!!
I just love your channel you are a legend in the making sir. May you be as legendary as Bob Ross
I don't know how you keep getting better, but you just do.
The evil sneer I could feel and hear in your to be continued was a thing of wonder.
Yeah I really liked how you approached this story superbly done ESPECIALLY (emphasizing not yelling) liked the ending
Thanks brother Urahara. Always.
My gods baldermort. Your point is made, my primarch took away what they were made to do, conquer. But I do not agree it wasn't for the best, for the imperiums perseverance for 10000 year's, showing the skill and zeal, it is still there, and holding the line, and now, the push has begun again. What will 10th edition look like, we can only wonder
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I suspect if The Lion returns, these units will come back…with a vengeance, to coin a phrase…
So glad there was a "to be continued" at the end.
You know, I thought the fatman and the mini nukes it fires in Fallout were tongue-in-cheek stupid enough (And fit so perfectly in that parodical setting), but... rad grenades are something else, even by Warhammer standards. Kamikaze space marines! We can indeed go grimderper! My thanks to you, sir, from one baldy to another. Hmm, maybe we've both been too close to destroyer squads...
Fat Man style tactical nukes were a thing but shot from a recoilless rifle launcher. A last ditch suicidal thing but they were thought of. Small tactical nukes can be carried by modern craft.
Really they should be used more often in lore by Marines especially against ork WAAAGH!’s or Emperor help you tyranids. It’s the only way to stop that large a force in its tracks.
And air burst tactical nukes aren’t *that* bad for a biosphere. Your average Mechanicum factory would do far worse. But we have to be Derp even when being smart would be darker.
YEEESSSS THE CONTINUATION TO THE STORY IS HEEERRRREEEE!
You have me cheering on the Death Guard Brother Baldermort! True herasy but by the gods this was an amazing tale and one I really hope you expand on. Fantastic amazing and thoroughly enjoyable. You've been putting out some real bangers in short order!
I love hearing the difference in HH era units, it really demonstrates how the setting has evolved
Love it! ❤
Funny thing, while there are no rules for them in 40k, I can't really find anything that says they are truly gone. They're barely even mentioned in any source, actually.
Also, Guilliman did use them, particularly during the Heresy and Scouring. The 22nd Chapter was the reason the Ultramarines weren't overrun at Calth and eventually prevailed. I also think you're forgetting that Guilliman was fairly pragmatic, a less generous soul might say hypocritical, when it came to the Codex Astartes. The 4th Chapter, what became the Aurora Chapter during the 2nd Founding, has been noted as NOT following Guilliman's ideas and yet they are considered Codex Compliant despite being noted as armored warfare specialists second to none with multiple times the vehicles of other chapter, which isn't possible without exploiting a loophole a mile wide with a nudge and a wink. They're also noted as maintaining in sevice Heresy-era vehicles and Firestorm, their homeworld, is supposed to be some giga-Forgeworld.
I think it's much the same with the Nemesis Chapter. They have almost no deployment record between M31 and M41, but they're still around, which is usually an indication of Inquisition shenanigans. What is the Inquisition most famous for? Exterminatus. What were Destroyer units used for? Exterminatus. So, yeah, they probably are still rocking around doing the Imperium's dirty work and they probably have an alliance with a specific Forgeworld that never lost the ability to produce those sorts of weapons.
There are no rules for them as the weapons and squads were phased out. They don’t exist. That’s why they don’t exist.
"and this here is a chain bayonette,"
*Attaches bayonette to bolter*
"Let me show you its features >:D "
Thank you , BM .
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Keep up the great videos man!
3-4 Amazingly made videos in as many days? Mr and Mrs B are spoiling us rotten.
Loved you’re take on the destroyer units. I’m building a word bearers legion with argel tal but also I love the moritat centurion. So jet pack ashen circle, destroyer assault squads with some twisted gal vor bak & a mhara gal dread it is remember death to the false god emperor & let the galaxy burn in phosphex bombs, melta, hellfire & toxin bombs 😈.
Excellent as always
Impressive as always, sir.
Warhammer 30k is so jam-packed with uber-maximum lethality weapons. Some of the absolute highlight would be; Phospex-flame weapons, Rad-bombs, Wartex-missiles, warp-missiles Life-eater virus-bombs and of course the unknown dark tech the Dreadwing had reserved for its exclusive use, my personal farvorite being the "psychic-delete heavybolter. Yes that one is canon....
There's a reason Vulkan forbade a lot of the destroyer weapons. Not just for his son's, but any forces attached to them
@@johnroberts4456 i can only imagine what he would say/do if he knew about the dreadwings weapons cache
friday, off work, painting heresy Imperial Fists, got the new baldermort video on, lifes good.
Horus Heresy needs a game with different campaigns as the Primarch's in different sectors of the Galaxy. There would have to be multiple games for different legions and areas of the Galaxy but it would be so epic of done correctly
bruh, we need more mortarion. that was lit!
Yes papa smurf lost his spine, but he was also consorting with chaos so he could become the new Emperor of Mankind. That's why I will never play a codex compliant chapter.
Excellent video
Dear Uncle Baldermort. Tytyty for all the videos. As I told you before on Patreon (Kenneth Henshaw) I watch the Space Wolves and Imperial Fists videos over and over. This Cancer and Chemo is kicking my old ass but I’ll be an ugly Snotling if your videos don’t make me feel better. Tytytyty.
I’m so sorry brother Henshaw. I’ve been remiss. I got covered in a landslide of cobblers recently. (Red tape and paperwork) and it’s annihilated my response times. Sorry. :(.
I cannot tell you how sorry I am you are going through all of that. It’s awful. Keep fighting! Kick it’s ass back brother.
Gotta love the 30K drinking game death guard style
Love it Young man and yes he did 🤘🤘😈🤘🤘
Thank you , great post.
Be it radiation or Phosphex my the fows of the Destroyer cadres die an agonizing death
Destroyers-when a Legion of demigod supersoldiers with chainsaw swords aren't terrifying enough
The difference between roboute and any other Primarch is that they win when the enemy can not fight back when he has not the muscle to raise a fist to the Emperor. Roboute only wins when the enemies farms feed the Guard when his factories make lasguns when his people praise the Emperor for it is all they ever have known and all they ever will know
My Thousand Sons have a good number of Destroyer squads with them. After Prospero, several squads that had been ruined by either Prospero or other purges decided to rearm as Destroyers, to wreak Vengeance on a galaxy that had wronged them.
That was awesome
Two episodes in, and I am so very glad I have treaded this fearful path. The Death Guard are my favorite of the Fallen Legions. It's a pity I must go to bed, so I can play D&D tomorrow morning. But I know what I will be doing directly after.
Oh I can't wait to hear about the Ordo Sinister....I do hope it's worthy of a good story ...a real meat and 3 veg affair with gravy and roast potatoes 😍😍😍
"It's only a war crime if you lose!"
- Sun Tzu
I think one interesting thing is I heard irl marines explain they are an offensive force, go, do something, return. And in a recent war were asked to be a defensive for e which was weird and against what they had learned. It was discomforting and put them on the wrong foot. Just something I read, but interesting comparison to the space marines being used as a shield instead of sword under Guiliman
Hey Baldy, would you make a Horus Heresy playlist? You would? Thanks bud, you're the best.!
Your content is amazing,
You could make a video talking about your favourite toothpaste and you would make it interesting ❤
The story section is a great depiction and remind that the imperium, despite being the pov faction, is evil. The death knell of a race, an offensive action instead of a defensive one against a similarly powerful alien empire to maintain their own holdings.
Personally, I think Guilliman was worried that kind of power falling into the wrong hands again. The Heresy had destroyed a lot, and he couldn't let anything more be destroyed or run that risk if he could avoid it.
Abbadon was sooo butt hurt on Terra
After the justarin got slaughtered near the palace...."why you mad bro?"
The Emperor gets a lot of flak for some questionable choices but at least he knew not to shit where you eat