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  • Опубліковано 6 тра 2023
  • UPDATE!
    As far as I’m aware, this was NOT an ATC related situation: it appears the MAS pilot(s) maybe didn’t expect the BA jet to hold for so long? just bad timing for the roll-on 🤷🏼‍♂️
    Of course, we often see two aircraft on the same runway when the lead aircraft is departing from an intersection point, but to line-up this close (behind) is unusual. You can even see the smoke blast from the engines as I zoom 😯
    Even small engines like the CFM56, V2500 (in this case with the BA Jet) or even the CF34 can inflict some serious damage from takeoff thrust.
    Engines and sensors are at most risk for the trailing aircraft. It’s almost as bad as sand-blasting with tiny particles of rubber and grit. In my view they’re lucky one of the Speed or altitude sensors didn’t get blocked!
    One (member) A220pilot said he’d be concerned about damage to his sensors from the Jet blast if he was that close 🚀
    This is something never witnessed before. We’ve seen a few close ones ‘rolling-in’ as the lead aircraft is starting its takeoff run. All the other departures are more ‘timed’ by the pilots, with ATC synchronising the whole thing like a well-timed movement.
    Get involved in the comments 👍🏻

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  • @thirstofficer2332
    @thirstofficer2332 Рік тому +575

    Clearly less than a second behind at the DRS detection point.

    • @MrCubsfan3
      @MrCubsfan3 Рік тому +18

      Should easily be able to get the move done by the first radar vector

    • @xenon3805
      @xenon3805 Рік тому +17

      Pov: max flies a plane...

    • @honeybadger1656
      @honeybadger1656 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@Xenon ah a fellow Max supporter!

    • @sawyerftw2598
      @sawyerftw2598 11 місяців тому +4

      POV: You are a ferrari and max is behind you..

    • @BingF1
      @BingF1 11 місяців тому +2

      @@honeybadger1656 fr max is the best😌

  • @phil_nicholls
    @phil_nicholls Рік тому +694

    Wow! I’ve operated out of LHR for nearly 30 years, and have never seen anyone get this close on a runway. Taxiway, yes - but not on a runway behind an aircraft about to set T/O power. What were these guys thinking? Truly bonkers!
    FOD issues aside, engines do not like ingesting fumes, and there are a number of systems that also do not like being treated to such a blast. On my own aircraft (787) even getting too close while taxiing can trigger our windshear warning systems - for which we then have to delay take off until the system resets!
    I hate pointing the finger at fellow professionals, particularly as I have a soft spot for Malaysia as my wife is from there, but these guys really should have behaved better. What on earth was the Captain doing? And yes, I blame the Captain, as he/she has ultimate responsibility - it takes nothing to just step on the brakes for a few seconds and let the preceding aircraft get out of the way.
    We all sneak on around A1/2/3 when cleared, but we don’t put ourselves directly behind the aircraft in front until they’re much further down the runway and the jet efflux is no longer a consideration.
    Now that you’ve highlighted it, I fully expect these guys to get invited into the office back in KL for tea with no biscuits, or maybe no tea, no biscuits!

    • @MATTFL380
      @MATTFL380 Рік тому +21

      @C H fod isn’t the issue.
      Imagine if the crew had ignored the request by tower to not cross an active runway?
      They were approaching off link 23 and should have held short on A1, I know this as I fly 777’s for BA and LHR is my base.
      This is incursion onto an active runway without clearance, full report pending.
      Why the crew thought it would be ok is totally beyond me, there is no reason for this other than a breakdown in comms between the a/c and tower.
      No doubt this clip will be used in training videos for years to come.

    • @phil_nicholls
      @phil_nicholls Рік тому +11

      @C H you’re not wrong about the FOD etc. But the ‘Speedbird’ can only go when they’re cleared - and the ShortHaul guys don’t hang around unnecessarily, their days are long enough without hanging around on the runway! It’s quite common (though we can’t see) for other SH aircraft to be going from Alpha 6 further down the runway, and have others cleared to line up behind.
      This is all on the Malaysian pilots - there’s plenty of space around Alpha 1-3 to move past the holding points without having to get right behind any aircraft already on the runway. Doing what they did saved them zero time and potentially compromised their aircraft. Muppets!

    • @phil_nicholls
      @phil_nicholls Рік тому +10

      @@MATTFL380 I’m interested in why you think the Malaysian hadn’t been cleared to ‘line up behind’ - do you have evidence for this?

    • @MATTFL380
      @MATTFL380 Рік тому +3

      @@phil_nicholls that SB looked like it might have entered at Alpha 4. must have been heavy 😊
      I’m very surprised the MA350 entered so willingly when 23 and A3 and are so close (assuming the SB used twyA) I could understand if the SB entered A4 via PLUTO but this video clearly shows different.
      I would like to have seen at what point V1 was achieved on the SB, probably A6 😂 ✈️

    • @MATTFL380
      @MATTFL380 Рік тому

      @@phil_nicholls no evidence, just assumption my friend. I highly doubt tower cleared them to line up 27R

  • @thirstofficer2332
    @thirstofficer2332 Рік тому +561

    In a face-to-face view, we could have seen them aggressively flashing the landing lights too.

  • @cavok1984
    @cavok1984 Рік тому +130

    Always wondered what an A350 trailer would look like? Now I know! I bet the MAS airspeed indicators where showing some airspeed when the BA throttled up

    • @saucyspaghett8165
      @saucyspaghett8165 11 місяців тому

      Definitely because the face of the plane is blasted with jet thrust xD

  • @roestamfadzilyfattawi5014
    @roestamfadzilyfattawi5014 11 місяців тому +47

    Minimum Runway Occupancy Time (MROT)
    | Ensure standard MROT procedures. Refer to RAR and in addition:
    When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject AFT but may cross WY HLDG point (subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) and enter WY upon receipt CLR. There is no requirement for the subject AFT to have commenced its TKOF roll before entering RWY. Be aware of the blast hazard.
    When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding ARR ACFT, may cross WY HLDG point (subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) as soon as the LDG ACFT has passed RWY entry point.
    If back-track WY is required, notify ATC prior to arrival at HLDG point.
    Intersection TKOF
    INT TKOF RWY 27R: A4, RWY 27L: N3 and S3, WY 09R: N8 and N10 are NOT (for purpose of vortex wake) considered by ATC to be INT DEP.
    INT TKOF RWY 09L with A10E not AVBL HN.

  • @dragonage200
    @dragonage200 11 місяців тому +19

    In Malaysia, if someone dawdles in the fast lane on the highway, impatient people would tailgate close enough to swap paint

  • @zdenekanyz9870
    @zdenekanyz9870 Рік тому +123

    Procedure described in London manual for peak hours. You are requested to line up behind departing aircraft without delay to be ready for departure. London is operated on reduced traffic separation and sharp timing and no delays from flight crew is requested. Normally what we do is line up behind the departing traffic immediately they start to roll. This one is little bit closer than usual and also is question to be exposed to direct jet wash... but if the runway is not contaminated I don't see any significant threat.

    • @FN-rr6mk
      @FN-rr6mk Рік тому +16

      U are kidding right .:.? U are supposed to line up behind departing traffic but after they have started the roll on a considerable distance . U gotta use common sense . Can’t write any logical rule .
      I’m pretty sure that captain is in a lot of trouble.

    • @jahurz93
      @jahurz93 Рік тому

      @@FN-rr6mk Dug this out from LHR airport chart
      Minimum Runway Occupancy Time(MROT)
      Ensure standard MROT procedures. Refer to RAR and in addition:
      When receiving conditional line up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject ACFT but may cross RWY HLDG point(Subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) and enter RWY upon receipt CLR. There is no requirement for the subject ACFT to have commenced its TKOF Roll before entering RWY. Be aware of blast hazard.
      When receiving a conditional line up CLR on preceding ARR ACFT, may cross RWY HLDG point(Subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) as soon as LDG ACFT has passed RWY entry point. If back-track RWY is required, notify ATC prior to arrival at HLDG point.

    • @oliverdots
      @oliverdots Рік тому +8

      "IF" there is no contamination? IF? Did anyone see the pilot get out and inspect the runway? Or maybe aircraft are now fitted with RCR? Oh that's Runway Contamination Radar lol.

    • @zdenekanyz9870
      @zdenekanyz9870 Рік тому +18

      @@oliverdots in aviation the contamination is meaning for snow, slush, ice, standing water, or other elements. What you mentioned is FOD and the runway inspection for FOD is performed periodically by airpot vehicles.

    • @Avi-on5jp
      @Avi-on5jp 11 місяців тому +6

      Yeah sure, I operate out of LHR regularly. Line up behind doesnt' mean THIS. It means be READY and taxi to position without delay within a safe range.

  • @daryltan86
    @daryltan86 Рік тому +146

    as an atc, i absolutely love this. too many times we see pilots waste precious departure gaps when they take an absolute age to line up when i give a lineup clearance. get in position and be ready to go!!

    • @khaosai
      @khaosai Рік тому +3

      Which airport ?
      Are there any particular aircraft types or airlines that takes longer than the others ?

    • @motive1236
      @motive1236 Рік тому +4

      What if there is a 777 in front and a ATR behind? Don’t think that would be safe.

    • @Silo-Ren
      @Silo-Ren Рік тому +7

      I'm not too sure about that, tho you being an ATC'r must know more then me, but from watching many Air Disaster shows, many accidents happen when humans rush protocols.

    • @stevecummings2703
      @stevecummings2703 Рік тому +5

      I get the point, but from a FoD point of view it’s a stupid thing to do.

    • @bavarianaviationvideonews5870
      @bavarianaviationvideonews5870 Рік тому +8

      How did you became an ATC ? you dont even know if the BA pilot had a problem.

  • @colinboneham7387
    @colinboneham7387 Рік тому +52

    Any closer and the front jet will be asking if the rear jet has protection on…… haha lol

  • @hanz63_dawn47
    @hanz63_dawn47 11 місяців тому +19

    Actually I've experienced "speedy" pilot from KUL (Kuala Lumpur) to KCH (Kuching) due to rain and delayed flight, so I'm not surprised seeing an A350 was this close to the B.A at runway. 😅

  • @Maplelf
    @Maplelf Рік тому +99

    I was on a BA 772 at EGLL and when lining up I thought we were really close to the aircraft taking off ahead but seems to be common practice when it’s busy.

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому +6

      It’s very common practice at many airports to line up planes behind departing planes to increase the take off rate. Especially if there’s a heavy, they may line them up at the beginning and have multiple smaller planes take off in front as there is a larger separation time if they were to let a heavy go prior to smaller planes

    • @Moon-zv9pz
      @Moon-zv9pz 11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah... But some proclaiming the best knowledge in airplane always commenting useless stuff...they just want attention not like u, who explain in the best ways possible

  • @FerrariF2008Racer
    @FerrariF2008Racer Рік тому +25

    I remember one of my departure from LHR out of 09R where my plane lined up simultaneously with two other planes, therefore 3 lineups at the same time on the same runway. But there was much more spacing in between us compared to this

  • @kevin19358
    @kevin19358 Рік тому +39

    Wow. This is the 1st time that I see a Malaysia airlines is line up on the same runway and it's too close to British airways that is about to takeoff. Amazing.

    • @Foxbat-yj1ex
      @Foxbat-yj1ex 11 місяців тому

      Are you proud of the captain's behaviour?

    • @biggbro9
      @biggbro9 11 місяців тому +2

      ATC gave the go ahead to line up, so what's the issue then?

    • @shaf3006
      @shaf3006 11 місяців тому

      Minimum runway occupancy with AT. Clearance the jet in front is smaller so what's is the hu ha ?

    • @kevin19358
      @kevin19358 11 місяців тому

      No.

    • @kevin19358
      @kevin19358 11 місяців тому

      The British Airways was clear to take off, but roll down the runway slowly and Malaysian airline don't want to wait, so he line up and wait on the same runway as British Airways was clear to takeoff.

  • @asdc2076
    @asdc2076 Рік тому +38

    It's unfortunate that these birds aren't equipped with horns. I can't imagine the honking at LHR during peak hours! 😂

    • @BornOnce
      @BornOnce Рік тому

      You beat me to it!

    • @phil_nicholls
      @phil_nicholls Рік тому +9

      We do have horns - though generally used for getting the attention of ground crew.

    • @rehepeks
      @rehepeks 11 місяців тому +2

      @@phil_nicholls Imagine a horn that can be audible over sound of jet engines. Magnificent!

    • @typer4539
      @typer4539 11 місяців тому

      Use 🚢 horn

  • @trevor1933
    @trevor1933 Рік тому +7

    Thank you for sharing this . Never seen that before. Hopefully the passenger's didn't pay to much attention to it .

  • @Witchaven
    @Witchaven 11 місяців тому +4

    Used to travel through LHR frequently 15-20 years ago and saw this happen often enough back then, so nothing new. Q larger a/c behind smaller ones on the rwy during peak operations. If I recall correctly they even had an extended pre-section of rwy that appeared to be there for this very reason. Although the spacing here does seem a little closer than I recall.

  • @huguesetienne-simonetti4546
    @huguesetienne-simonetti4546 Рік тому +28

    MROT concept in Heathrow, as soon as you are cleared for line-up on sequence and red extinguished. With the night curfew, if every aircraft takes 30 seconds more than needed to line-up and take-off, how many flights will be cancelled at the end of the day?

  • @steffan632
    @steffan632 11 місяців тому +8

    Makes you wonder if they were given clearance to line up behind and wait for the departing BA 320.
    Would love to listen to the ATC audio of this.

    • @rehepeks
      @rehepeks 11 місяців тому +1

      With longer spacing thats fine. This is way too close for me.

    • @tonyvu2011
      @tonyvu2011 11 місяців тому +4

      I think it only looks close due to the zoom lens effect of the camera. No safety rule was breached, otherwise we would have heard it all over the news and especially with Malaysia Airlines due to 2 losses of aircrafts.

  • @user-dw8ud2hw5d
    @user-dw8ud2hw5d Рік тому +6

    Wonder how long the BA aircraft held or whether he rolled forward a little and then stopped. I would like to have seen the whole sequence, including the BA lime up before passing judgement.

  • @richardchester2148
    @richardchester2148 Рік тому +5

    Not strictly an incursion if cleared to line up behind the departing '320. Whilst good airmanship to be ready in position and ready to go, there was probably little benefit to this manoeuvre due to separation from the previous departure, and arguably 'if' there was any FOD on the runway, there'd maybe be a danger of the '350 being in the firing line of said potential FOD if launched from the jet blast of the '320, dependent of course on the distance between the jets (possible foreshortening on the lens, I wasn't there so can't say for sure) . To be honest when I'm given a line up after previous departing, I'd be reluctant to get what appears to be as close as the '350 did (but at MAN we frequently line up via T1 with traffic yet to depart from VA intersection on 23L or via Juliet with departing traffic going from M on 23R) but to each their own...

  • @ruelmeen
    @ruelmeen Рік тому +12

    Minimum Runway Occupancy Time (MROT)
    When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject ACFT but may cross RWY HLDG point and enter RWY upon receipt CLR.
    There is no requirement for the subject ACFT to have commenced its TKOF roll before entering RWY. Be aware of blast hazard.
    Bigjet tv please highlight this comment. Thanks

    • @shashiaviator2362
      @shashiaviator2362 Рік тому

      Thanks for you accurate response.

    • @Stvescr
      @Stvescr Рік тому +2

      No. It states 'but may cross'. The pilots are in control of their aircraft at all times and their discretion in this instance was poor.

    • @lee7557
      @lee7557 Рік тому

      Amazing

  • @tonyf9076
    @tonyf9076 Рік тому +6

    And 9 months later a babybus will be born...

  • @thebenevolentpatriarch424
    @thebenevolentpatriarch424 Рік тому +65

    Curious to know what the conversation with ATC was at that point. 😮😮

    • @soupfork2105
      @soupfork2105 Рік тому +18

      VASAviation might have it, I'll drop him a line.

    • @daniellowe5271
      @daniellowe5271 Рік тому +14

      @@soupfork2105 sadly not, it’s illegal to record ATC in the U.K.

    • @dmanc85
      @dmanc85 Рік тому +7

      @@737simviator liveatc doesn't have recordings of UK airports available as it's illegal to record in the UK.

    • @AlejandroGuidotti
      @AlejandroGuidotti Рік тому +1

      @@dmanc85 it must surely be considered "an insult".

    • @PainzDead
      @PainzDead Рік тому

      @@dmanc85 why is it illegal in UK and not in say america?

  • @3MinutesofAviation
    @3MinutesofAviation 10 місяців тому +1

    Crazy capture! May I feature this situation in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. Cheers!

  • @2be1withU
    @2be1withU Рік тому +18

    The Malaysian pilots want to know what it feels like to be a jetblast surfer at St Maarten's airport

  • @B777Skipper
    @B777Skipper Рік тому +17

    It’s mentioned in the airport info pages. All legal.

    • @125brat
      @125brat 11 місяців тому

      It might be legal, but is it sensible to risk FOD and efflux ingestion with the consequences of system issues or engine or airframe damage? I know it's unlikely, but sods law lines up the holes in the Swiss cheese - time pressures, reducing distances, hurrying checks etc.

  • @carlhanlon7939
    @carlhanlon7939 Рік тому +45

    Pity no one was tuned in to the tower at the time. The normal clearance from the ATC is “to line up and wait behind the departing aircraft behind”. The emphasis is on the word “behind” and the pilot has to say “behind” which is a legal statement at the end of his readback. So once he’s been cleared onto the runway then it’s up to him on how close to the one in front he wants to be. LGW do this very regularly but the 2 runway entries are further apart so this incursion never really happens.

    • @miniena7774
      @miniena7774 Рік тому +9

      No, it isn't. "Line up and wait" is common, not "line up and wait behind the departing aircraft behind." I've no clue why you thought otherwise. Have you ever listened to ATC?

    • @ahmadfarizbinmokhtar7106
      @ahmadfarizbinmokhtar7106 Рік тому +1

      Popcorn time for me

    • @nankinink
      @nankinink Рік тому +2

      @@miniena7774 Not a pilot, but listen to ATCs all the time. I've never heared any ATC saying "line up behind aircraft departing" as well.. might happen in tiny airports with tiny planes, but with airlines and major airports, nope

    • @ansarisaad773
      @ansarisaad773 11 місяців тому +1

      @@miniena7774 Correct terminology is "behind the departing/arriving XXX, line up and wait behind". At least if you go by EASA terminology

    • @krishenhodges8505
      @krishenhodges8505 11 місяців тому

      It is line up and wait "behind" the departing aircraft. Which is the correct terminology. In this situation.

  • @xxtigerofqatarxx2079
    @xxtigerofqatarxx2079 11 місяців тому +5

    Malaysia airlines: out of my way Malaysian Airlines is heading to Kuala Lumpur for on time expecting no delays on my arrival at KUL

  • @manualflight
    @manualflight 11 місяців тому +6

    I have witnessed this before in Toronto. Two Air Canada lined up to Runway 23. 787 behind an A320.

    • @typer4539
      @typer4539 11 місяців тому +1

      No issues is it??

    • @shaf3006
      @shaf3006 11 місяців тому +2

      Smaller aircraft at the front no issue

  • @michaelgregory846
    @michaelgregory846 Рік тому +3

    This happened to me first week in March on 27L… but I didn’t get as close to the departing aircraft. 😂

  • @garethdyos8018
    @garethdyos8018 Рік тому +12

    That did seem very close indeed!

  • @paulnobleii4239
    @paulnobleii4239 11 місяців тому +5

    I can only imagine what the other guys, who were holding short, were thinking 😂.

  • @NicolasCereghino30
    @NicolasCereghino30 11 місяців тому +1

    I really love your UA-cam channel and I love aviation history and my most favorite airplane is the C-17 globemasterIII and there’s an airshow at McCord Air Force base on McCord Air field for the thunderbirds expo featuring the C-17 globemasterIII at 62nd Airlif wing through July 15- July 16 and I really want you to do a livestream for that airshow.

  • @MrSchwabentier
    @MrSchwabentier 11 місяців тому +4

    That pilot is clearly a BMW driver in his personal life

  • @thomasjarvis3608
    @thomasjarvis3608 Рік тому +4

    “Babe I can’t I have to wait for clearance”
    “My parents aren’t home”

  • @nikolauswolff5791
    @nikolauswolff5791 Рік тому +54

    Normally the controllers give the pilots the order to move from point A to B. Here he must have said Malaysia 5 line up and wait behind the British A 320 and the pilots followed. It's indeed a little to close but not to. I would say.....

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 Рік тому +1

      Doesn’t that normally mean waiting until the aircraft in front has actually started rolling

    • @PeakyRacers
      @PeakyRacers Рік тому

      @@tomstravels520 typically the answer would be yes however pilots do like to keep to schedule not sure I'd cat that as rushing or impatient though 🤔

    • @floridah7016
      @floridah7016 Рік тому

      @@tomstravels520 Yes, although in LHR they expect you to cross the hold-short line but line up the actual runway once the aircraft has started the take-off roll and there is no risk of jetblast damage

    • @747heavyboeing3
      @747heavyboeing3 11 місяців тому

      "Negative, I can't accept that " proper response

    • @janrichter8662
      @janrichter8662 11 місяців тому

      I guess as much as close than VfB Stuttgart to the relegation? :D

  • @Imintune...
    @Imintune... 11 місяців тому +2

    Suppose to wait for takeoff clearance before entering on to the runway. Could be a inbound on the same runway
    .

    • @CadizRacing
      @CadizRacing 11 місяців тому

      This isn’t how it’s done in LHR/LGW, etc. They’ll often give you a clearance to line up behind a departing aircraft.

  • @LouisSiah
    @LouisSiah 11 місяців тому +1

    Tudia, like he's driving a Myvi tailgating the rest on the highway.

  • @sammy61187
    @sammy61187 Рік тому +5

    Not really that close with Heathrows ridiculous schedule it's good to see a pilot actually getting the job done

  • @C1063
    @C1063 Рік тому +1

    Thats insane procedure brother 😮🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @fexryourfriend
    @fexryourfriend 11 місяців тому +2

    As a Malaysian I feel honored that the plane is Malaysian

  • @k3n_ng
    @k3n_ng Рік тому +4

    the aircraft can handle strong wind (hence it can fly)

  • @simonpeart7981
    @simonpeart7981 Рік тому +3

    The ATC won’t be having a word if the ATC told them to lineup and wait. If the Malaysian pilots saw any issue with the order from ATC, they would have refused.

  • @shanestephens2877
    @shanestephens2877 11 місяців тому +1

    Maybe a pilot can confirm: Would this actually speed things up ? Surely your not going to get your "cleared for take off" until the previous departing had reached a certain distance in front (subject to a/c type, speed, wake turbulence etc) or had turned asuming the previous was on a different SID. Again i asume they line the departing a/c up for departure in alternating SIDs ? Dover, Clacton, Southampton, Strumple, Daventry/Olney, Dover, clacton etc etc (examples of direction of exit points before someone says Strumple is an atc sector not a departure point)

  • @CaptJames
    @CaptJames Рік тому +23

    Id love to hear the ATC

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому

      I mean, they often line up planes behind departing planes. It’s quite common although this guy is particularly close to the aircraft in front

    • @CaptJames
      @CaptJames Рік тому

      @@joshuam20 indeed

  • @MattStylesDJ
    @MattStylesDJ Рік тому +1

    I've seen this a couple times at LAS during busy times.

  • @genericcommenter2676
    @genericcommenter2676 Рік тому +5

    Atc: Malaysian 350 you’re No.3 for departure.
    Malaysian: Negative, we’re No. 2

  • @MiesterUnknown
    @MiesterUnknown 11 місяців тому +2

    Suddenly everyone here in the comment section is an aviation expert with 30,000 hours of flight time. 🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @Sydsquad
    @Sydsquad Рік тому

    That’s wild Jerry!😮

  • @zarith87
    @zarith87 11 місяців тому +2

    its standard practice in LHR its called Minimum Runway Occupancy Time, no law or rules broken here.. its even recommended in the AOI..

    • @MorganThomas757
      @MorganThomas757 11 місяців тому

      Standard know it alls thinking someone's broken the rules on the web 😛

  • @IgnacioBuiattiPhotion
    @IgnacioBuiattiPhotion Рік тому +5

    EPIC CATCH! Honestly, if you think about it, they fly at so high speed that this A320 jet blast if probably less strong that the wind they get on cruise level

    • @youri737
      @youri737 11 місяців тому +2

      I don’t think wind speed is the issue here though! I would be more concerned about all the bits of asphalt, sand and other debris flying into the engines or against the fuselage. Not to mention, the pilots have no clue if there is arriving traffic. I know LHR uses 2 runways but still.

    • @j134679
      @j134679 11 місяців тому

      @Youri Rutten definitely safe from incoming. ATC command here is usually "behind a320 aircraft taking off at RWY number, line up and wait behind". Usually, the plane would sneak up to the runway but only continue onto it once the first one is already moving - so this is still rather close.

    • @rehepeks
      @rehepeks 11 місяців тому

      Jetblast is very turbulent and there is FOD flying around.

  • @ChloeDeCet
    @ChloeDeCet 11 місяців тому +2

    Since this is LHR, this could be that the airport is busy...

  • @12barmac
    @12barmac Рік тому +2

    I was on a flight from Heathrow and we lined up behind Concorde and when she put the power down we felt it....

  • @keithbrown9198
    @keithbrown9198 Рік тому +3

    27 years ATC. There's no way in the USA the following departure would've been cleared onto the runway while the preceding departure was still in position and holding for takeoff, and we operate the busiest air traffic system in the world. It serves almost no advantage and derogates safety. If this is routine as at least one commenter said, then someone needs to take a good hard look at that procedure.

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому +1

      Not really, the first plane was given takeoff clearance, the next plane is then cleared to line up on the runway. It works perfectly and gives Heathrow the high takeoff rate it needs to operate the number of flights it handles. Typically though the pilots have the sense to not taxi right up behind the next plane.
      I personally like to see the plane rolling before fully lining up on the runway

    • @747heavyboeing3
      @747heavyboeing3 11 місяців тому

      Exactly, what an unsafe practice.

    • @747heavyboeing3
      @747heavyboeing3 11 місяців тому

      Why are I intersection takeoffs accept these days?
      Every foot of runway might be needed in an aborted takeoff is necessary. I'd refuse and not alone . "That's negative require full length "

    • @keithbrown9198
      @keithbrown9198 11 місяців тому +1

      @@747heavyboeing3 Well in airline operations, I agree, but I was a private pilot (I still have my license but haven't been current in years) I used to fly out of an airport with a 10,600 ft (3,231m) runway and I'm paying for fuel so that extra mile or so of taxi gets expensive, I would always accept an intersection takeoff that still gave me 6,000 ft (1,829 m) of runway in a Piper Cherokee... I know the saying "the three worthless things to a pilot are fuel left at the pump, altitude above, and runway behind" or something like that, but economics can be important as well. It's a personal/professional decision, but kind of unrelated to this topic.

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 11 місяців тому

      @@747heavyboeing3 Not unsafe, your incorrect opinion isn’t really valid and intersection departures occur extremely frequently and without issue every day.

  • @ciknour5208
    @ciknour5208 11 місяців тому

    Never thought I wld see this too. Like this is madness

  • @hbaviation2008
    @hbaviation2008 Рік тому +3

    Looks like something out of Real Flight Simulator or Microsoft Flight Sim Multiplayer😂😂

  • @mrade5321
    @mrade5321 Рік тому +4

    The A320's rear parking sensors must have been going mental. Beep beep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

  • @frenchlatinoboyfrenchlatin7225

    Runway rage ?
    Good the BA 320 pilot didn't brake checked him...

  • @Skunk-420
    @Skunk-420 Рік тому

    Wow! never seen this happen before!

  • @EightPawsProductionsHD
    @EightPawsProductionsHD Рік тому +6

    It IS an ATC related issue, because only ATC can clear an aircraft to enter or cross an active runway. Maybe ATC were not expecting the BA to hold for so long and issued the line up behind and wait too early? If The Malaysian entered the runway without clearance, some serious crap would have ensued and likely their take-off clearance would have been denied so that tower could have had a chat with the pilots on the blower.

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому +2

      They cleared the plane to line up behind a departing plane, whilst this is usually a “without delay” sorta instruction, it is up to the pilot to decide at what speed to taxi onto the runway. I personally like to see the departing plane at least rolling before fully lining up.
      No laws or rules were broken here though as it’s common practice to line planes up behind other planes

  • @MELSOFF
    @MELSOFF 11 місяців тому

    I may be wrong but if he got on the runway it means that he had the clearance to right? Otherwise he would have told him to hold short which is a very clear instruction which can't really be missed or misunderstood

  • @yichenma4721
    @yichenma4721 11 місяців тому +3

    Could it be that Tower cleared BA to takeoff and there was a bit of delay, while the tower instructed MAS line up and wait? And the MAS crew thought it was fine to line up and wait knowing the BA will be on the roll.

    • @Steve-ol2ws
      @Steve-ol2ws 11 місяців тому

      Most likely. Although if they required to wait on runway they should have requested/informed

    • @NarasimhaDiyasena
      @NarasimhaDiyasena 11 місяців тому

      Seems like what occured. The MAS crew looked hesitant before the committed to the final part of the turn likely after reconfirmation from tower.

  • @clairewest6676
    @clairewest6676 Рік тому +11

    Astonishing, never seen that before. Would love to know what the explanation is.

    • @Jcshh
      @Jcshh Рік тому +4

      At LHR it's not uncommon for large jets to line up and wait behind smaller ones and depart straight after, this is definitely the closest i've seen though!

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому +1

      Yeah like the other Josh said, it’s common to see heavy planes lined up on the runway and sometimes even just sit there whilst they get a few smaller planes out on intersection departures ahead of the heavy.
      Basically, there’s a time separation they must follow and as you can imagine, the time they must wait for a medium wake aircraft following a heavy is much higher than if the heavy followed the smaller aircraft

    • @NQY-flyer
      @NQY-flyer Рік тому +1

      @@joshuam20 indeed so but that was too close so a definite incursion in my view Tower and MAS crew both at fault

  • @MKwan82
    @MKwan82 11 місяців тому

    Was issued that before. "Line up and wait, no delay. Traffic on a 4 mile final."

  • @ThatPilotKyle
    @ThatPilotKyle Рік тому

    Malaysia too, what a shock.

  • @hirsty1979
    @hirsty1979 Рік тому

    Hi, wheres this filmed from? Thx

  • @charlesfrenzel3530
    @charlesfrenzel3530 11 місяців тому

    DFW and ORD use to operate this way all the time. Only requirement is 2000 feet between departures

  • @TC.C
    @TC.C Рік тому +4

    They didn’t even attempt to stop before completely lined up on the runway!

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому +1

      Lining planes up behind other planes is quite common

  • @uditabhattacharya2824
    @uditabhattacharya2824 Рік тому +5

    it's very common to see upto 13 planes lined up at Mumbai Chhatrapati Shivaji International, but none of them line up so close!

    • @muhdaizat4409
      @muhdaizat4409 11 місяців тому

      13 airplanes lined up on the runway ? Thats funny

    • @threebigideas3488
      @threebigideas3488 11 місяців тому +1

      You're confusing taxiway with runway.

  • @King-bt2ud
    @King-bt2ud Рік тому +2

    UK pilots, does ATC clear you onto a runway before the other plane even starts the takeoff roll? Unclear if this is a runway incursion or is actually legal in the UK.

    • @joshuam20
      @joshuam20 Рік тому +1

      Perfectly legal, this is typically how it would go. Departing plane is cleared for takeoff, then the next plane is cleared to line up behind the departing plane. That plane is then cleared to enter the runway and it’s up to him whether he gets close enough to potentially have debris thrown into his plane.
      Most pilots would slow roll into the runway until the departing aircraft is on takeoff roll

    • @King-bt2ud
      @King-bt2ud Рік тому

      @@joshuam20 Thanks, good to know. This is different from how we operate in the US.

  • @jabbothyheart
    @jabbothyheart 11 місяців тому +1

    They must have interpreted the instruction "behind departing Airbus, line up and wait.." literally.

  • @mohdharis4471
    @mohdharis4471 Рік тому

    should ATC hold plane b4 the plane entering the runway?

  • @martinpawley647
    @martinpawley647 Рік тому

    Holding points mean anything to you sir?

  • @Steve-ol2ws
    @Steve-ol2ws 11 місяців тому

    Normally AC on runway will be cleared TO, followed by next aircraft cleared to line up behind the departing. Why did speedbird sit there for so long?

  • @vst9266
    @vst9266 11 місяців тому

    How they allowed this manouver?

  • @LordBagdanoff
    @LordBagdanoff 11 місяців тому

    Please upload the full video of this scene

    • @BigJetTV
      @BigJetTV  11 місяців тому

      It was live, it's here E J ua-cam.com/users/liveRjsxwwO2I2Y?feature=share

  • @RuiPlaneSpotter
    @RuiPlaneSpotter Рік тому +1

    Nice my Friend!

  • @stevecummings2703
    @stevecummings2703 Рік тому +24

    It would only be a runway incursion if he lined up without clearance. Presumably it was a “behind the departing A320 line up and wait behind”. Not the best example of airmanship but each to his own!

    • @johnp6987
      @johnp6987 Рік тому +5

      Maybe so, but the baby bus wasn’t even rolling and the 350 wouldn’t get take off clearance any quicker due to spacing

    • @stevecummings2703
      @stevecummings2703 Рік тому +1

      @@johnp6987 indeed

    • @eduardogarcia1483
      @eduardogarcia1483 Рік тому +2

      Heathrow has a special regulation regarding it, when you're cleared to line up, you may enter the runway as long the stop bars are off.
      I can't agree completely with this move, but this is definitely not a runway incursion in LHR...

    • @brandonahmad6739
      @brandonahmad6739 Рік тому

      On the Airport Info Chart,its all legal,part of MROT(minimum runway occupancy time)

  • @AlexJ1037
    @AlexJ1037 Рік тому

    Yeow! I thought that it was never OK for more than one aircraft to occupy an active runway. ⁉️

  • @davefandango1303
    @davefandango1303 Рік тому +4

    In summary, the Air Malaysia came from a stand a long way away, due to the runway departure, they were made to go the long way round, they ran a few A320s ahead of them, meanwhile on the fast taxi way they had another BA and a Star Alliance waiting which they may have anticipated could potentially be run ahead of them, the Air Malta had to wait 3 mins after the A380, then the BA A320 took a bit longer than anticipated, at which point Air Malaysia rolled onto the runway before the BA throttled up.
    Air Malaysia left 30 mins late.
    So unqualified as I am, I would suggest they were rushing for departure, probably frustrated to be put behind the tiddlers who would have to wait after the A380, though they may have been too heads down to realise why the A320s were taking so long (not seeing the A380 before, and probably anxious about whether the two waiting A320s (including a BA) would get put ahead of them, while doing pre flight, so when they got the call advanced. Not helped by BA taking a little longer than expected to push off.
    But, they should have recognised the risk at the end of the taxi way and stopped. Called for confirmation. And not advanced further until. They at that point could not be overtaken, so their runway departure was guaranteed next. And whether it was a junior pilot in charge or not, the Captain has allowed his aircraft and passengers to be put in potential danger.

    • @davefandango1303
      @davefandango1303 Рік тому +1

      The risk to outboard sensors, engines, and even just the basic customer experience (the cabin will have filled with spent Jet A1), is dangerous and was wholly avoidable.

    • @davefandango1303
      @davefandango1303 Рік тому +1

      Also important to note, the spacing would still have been maintained, so the plane did not roll any earlier than it would have done if it had held short, before entering the runway. And they risked a longer wait if they'd had a problem due to jet wash.

  • @UnitedkingdomArmyPMC
    @UnitedkingdomArmyPMC Рік тому +2

    Patience pilot

  • @kelvinmendes2858
    @kelvinmendes2858 11 місяців тому

    Were they dealt with?

  • @Jethz
    @Jethz Рік тому +15

    Was that a BMW driver in the Malaysian? Maybe he/she forgot that they were in a plane and not their car? 😅

    • @marcusianaviation9372
      @marcusianaviation9372 Рік тому +3

      BMW drivers are reckless overseas too? I thought it was just a Malaysian thing 😂

    • @nissancubesdashboardpubes8026
      @nissancubesdashboardpubes8026 Рік тому +2

      I was just thinking this looks like the aviation equivalent of tailgating lol

    • @aqimjulayhi8798
      @aqimjulayhi8798 Рік тому

      Probably a Myvi driver since the Myvi is the most popular Malaysian car and it too has reputation of being aggressive tailgaters.

  • @FN-rr6mk
    @FN-rr6mk Рік тому

    Description of macho attitude at its BEST

  • @debbee5771
    @debbee5771 Рік тому +9

    Wanted a tow 😆

  • @keithhumpherys8343
    @keithhumpherys8343 Рік тому

    It is one way to get the dust off you windows before taking off.

  • @hilman94
    @hilman94 Рік тому +5

    Whatever airport games you're playing, this is where the danger index alert raises and you'll loose some point 😅

  • @reedchrisj
    @reedchrisj Рік тому

    I used to work for a company which had MAS as a customer. Frankly, not surprised.

  • @Magyar9Andras
    @Magyar9Andras 11 місяців тому +1

    If the tower gives the clearance "line up behind departing traffic" and the traffic in front got a take off clearance then its all good

    • @LeeAviation
      @LeeAviation 8 місяців тому

      Yeah, but there are still rules you must follow. Keeping distance between aircrafts is very important. The rule was broken here and the pilots should’ve known that. Most pilots would, and should, wait for the departing traffic to start its takeoff roll before entering the runway.

  • @heathb4319
    @heathb4319 Рік тому +1

    He was just helping suck some more air past the little plane so he could take off easier.

  • @tiadaid
    @tiadaid Рік тому +4

    I've asked around, and someone shared with me the AOI for Heathrow which covers MROT (Minimum Runway Occupancy Time) procedures.
    "When receiving a conditional line-up CLR on a preceding DEP ACFT, remain behind the subject ACFT but may cross the RWY HLDG point (subject to there being no illuminated red stop bar) and enter RWY upon receipt CLR. (Emphasis mine) THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE SUBJECT ACFT TO HAVE COMMENCED ITS TKOF ROLL BEFORE ENTERING RWY. Be aware of the blast hazard."
    So while peculiar, what's happening here is not exactly wrong.
    And according to FR24, the plane landed almost 1 hour early in Kuala Lumpur, too.

    • @TravellingTechie
      @TravellingTechie Рік тому +1

      Beware of the blast hazard is the crucial part here. I operate out of Heathrow and you do not do this ever. Airmanship dictates that you can be ready to line up, beyond the hold line, but not actually on the runway.

    • @tiadaid
      @tiadaid Рік тому

      @@TravellingTechie The crew were no doubt aware of blast hazards, they’re not really that close.

    • @TravellingTechie
      @TravellingTechie Рік тому +2

      @@tiadaidI'm an Airbus pilot, this is poor. I'm literally looking at the Airbus manual right now. The dangerous blast distance at breakaway power on an A320-200 with IAE V2500 engines is 300ft/90m behind the rear of the engine. In effect, stretching out the same length again behind the aircraft. That's just the 'dangerous zone', rated at 30ft/s or 9m/s airspeed. Beyond that objects and/or dust can still be picked up and sandblast the aircraft behind. Not to mention confuse pitot instruments and engine pressure sensors. No one does this.

    • @NQY-flyer
      @NQY-flyer Рік тому

      @@TravellingTechie hmm Blast hazard says it all really an incursion for sure

  • @hirisk761
    @hirisk761 Рік тому +3

    someone at Malaysian about to get the "Tea and Biscuit " meeting

    • @exiapiemon3296
      @exiapiemon3296 17 днів тому

      More like Teh Tarik (Pulled Milk Tea) and Nasi Lemak (Coconut Rice).
      Comment from Malaysian.

  • @johnnorth9355
    @johnnorth9355 Рік тому

    Trying to get rid of some condensation on the windshield ?

  • @chowroger4937
    @chowroger4937 11 місяців тому

    The view and sound in business class must be very impressive 😂

  • @LanSuckAtEverything
    @LanSuckAtEverything 11 місяців тому

    that 1 pilot in cockpit : will be fine 🥱

  • @KC-RallyPlanes
    @KC-RallyPlanes Рік тому

    That’s a bit close? And a lovely new A350. Treating the plane like a rental car😁🤣

  • @MieQeciQ
    @MieQeciQ 11 місяців тому +1

    BA wait far too long to perform the take off roll, surely MA not expected that long.....love to hear from ATC....

  • @kleeblattchen38
    @kleeblattchen38 11 місяців тому

    im guessing his clearance was something in the likes of "lineup runway runway 27R and wait after british airways" and technically that's exactly what he did but isn't there some sort of rule how long you have to wait?

  • @Aviationboiiii
    @Aviationboiiii 11 місяців тому +1

    The way he speak british was so funny😂😂😂

  • @PCEngineer2007uk
    @PCEngineer2007uk Рік тому +1

    I'm sure in the UK that's classed as a runway incursion. Maybe not in the states, but in the UK another aircraft can't enter the active runway until the preceding a/c have cleared (either departing or arriving).