Rod Building- Guide Wrap: Finish - A New Type Of Guide Wrap Finish?!?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- No mixing, no/few bubbles to deal with and no rod dryer needed. This may be a good epoxy alternative for some hobby rod builders or people doing their own rod repairs. I will show you how to apply it and set it...no rod dryer/turner needed! I don't want people to think I'm suggesting this is better than epoxy finish, just different. I will go over what I like about it, where I think epoxy would be a better option, how to use it, where you can buy it and other important points.
If you decide to try it out yourself, please leave comments below about your thoughts, likes and dislikes about using this product as a protective thread finish.
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I will be giving this a good testing with a couple repairs on my catfish rods. Thanks for sharing
Nice! Please let everyone know how they hold up in the comments section! I'm planning a build on an ultralight fiberglass rod right now. I catch everything from sunfish of different types to small & largemouth bass to catfish myself using ultralight rods and light spinning reels. The flexibility of this glue should hold up well with the whippy glass rods 👍
The Fishing Hobby , I sure will.
Thanks!
The Fishing Hobby I’ve now used this method on more than a dozen rods, not total builds but repairs for myself and others and not one problem yet. Happy with the results thus far.
@@charlescarter6175 are those mostly catfish rods? I was trying to get an idea of how they hold up on heavier rods than what I use.
I gave this technique a try. It seems to work fine. You're correct about not using it to cover long wraps. I tried doing it on a thread wrapped metal ferrule on a two part rod. It turned out uneven on the long wrap. My next rod using this will be even better now that I learned how to gauge the setup time for the glue. I didn't use steam to set it as it was a very humid day when I tried it, so I let the humidity set it. I also used a rod turner while waiting for the glue to set.
I tried it and was very impressed with how easy it was and that you don't have to have a rod dryer. It leveled out nicely . I was disappointed with my epoxy work and so I'm glad there is another way to make the rods we build and make them look professional. Thanks for sharing.
I recently was given some old rods that I decided to restore. I researched and found you videos on wrapping and finishing guide wraps and have practiced the techniques. I restored one rod and was very happy with the way the wraps and the trim bands looked. Somehow I mixed the epoxy wrong and I ended up with a finish that didn't cure. ☹ Then I came across your video on using clear gorilla glue as a finish and it worked beautifully! I'm going to use this finish on this and other rods.
It’s not a bad alternative!
Im here searching for a simple rod repair and ending up wanting to do my own rod building just by watching your videos.You sir just pushed me into a new hobby and just by using materials I can buy locally in my country without trying to import it.Thank you very much sir for all of your informative videos.Greetings from Suriname.
Thank you and good luck with your rod building!
greatest common sense color preserver ever...
I tried and failed three other ideas, and then looked at Gorilla Glue Clear with an idea... But I was tired of test wraps on a bamboo tomato stake.. until I did one last search and found your video. Well done. Even my old yellowed bottle of GG Clear held color just like you discovered.
Wish I could post a photo of today's results!
Back in the 50's and 60s Dad and I finished guide wraps on salt water surf rods with clear nail polish. Held up pretty darned good and easy to fix or remove. As you've stated, finish on guide wraps just protects the thread and it's the thread wraps that do all the work. I have a coupla 8-1/2' and 12-1/2' shark rods in the build right now and will give the Gorilla Clear a try. Thanx for sharing! 👍👍
Wrapped new guides with Fuji polyester "D" thread on an 8-1/2' heavy action rod for sharking, then stuck it on the rod wrap dryer and whilst it was spinning slowly I squeezed on the Gorilla Clear and brushed it in. No hot water mist or lighter flaming, left it spinning, looks quite good and hard to tell from an epoxy finish. The nylon bristle brush cleaned up nicely with naphtha and can be reused again. This guide wrap finish is The Bomb! Thanx for sharing!!! 👍👍
I've had good luck with brushing on and leaving it running in a rod dryer and no other steps as well since I originally did this video.
I used the clear to refinish an old glass fly rod and polished the finish with plastic polish for head lights turned out really nice and took the tackiness off. just and idea for you to try I am very new to rod building and refinishing and have learned tons from you. I also like building the tools and love the baby bottle chucks i built using your idea.
Very nice! I'll take note of that tip for sure. Thanks for watching my videos and for the feedback too. I'm glad you found something useful! Aren't those baby bottle chucks great? Easy and effective too!
Thank you for sharing. I have been building fly rods for over 10 years now, and I have had problems in the past with my rod finish not setting up completely and staying tacky. The Gorilla Glue looks great and I wouldn't be so worried about mixing epoxy rod finish. I can't wait to try this on my next rod. I will share my experience as I complete the project.
Good luck and I'm looking forward to hearing how it works out for you.
I’m going to try that on some my old solid fiberglass rods.
Man this video changed my rod building for sure thanks again mate
Old thread but this is a great idea for Gorilla Glue. I have led strip lights on the side of my boat for catfishing. I applied a generous coating of clear gorilla glue on top of the strip. Before I would have to replace the lights every couple of years from just being bumped to often. Now I never replace them. Gorilla Glue rocks. Great channel!
Great idea 👍
I just used gorilla glue clear on all the guide wraps of a complete 9' 5wt. Flyrod. It turned out amazing. Super easy to apply and very smooth, bubble free finish. I did use my rod turner because I have one and it's just easier for me to apply the glue that way anyway. Also, it was completely dry to the touch in 12 hours. I did let it cure a full 24 hours before I used it. I have used it for the last two days catching bass and bluegill without any cracks, chips or deformations. That is great material. Thank you again for sharing this idea. I will be using this on my future rods.
Awesome! If the thought crosses your mind and it isn't too much trouble, update your post after some time has passed and let people know how it is holding up. So far, everyone has had good luck with it. I haven't noticed any discoloration or anything like that myself.
I really like your ideas and invested videos - keep going so we can have fun - thanks !!!
I love your videos. I thank you so much for doing them. I have learned a lot. It taught me how to think outside the box and try different things and methods. Thank you !!!!
I'm glad you enjoy them!
Built 3 saltwater rods using this approach and so far no issues at all. Will let you know if that changes. I first apply a very light coat with a very stiff brush and really try and push it into the threads then come back with the heavier finish coat. I find it levels really well on a rod dryer with some time.
Awesome! Thanks for letting everyone know how that is working out so far. That is something I can't really test myself being in Arkansas. I also find it much easier to do with a rod dryer, but it is workable even without one. You can do epoxy without a dryer for that matter, but with this stuff it will skin over and stop flowing much quicker.
Thanks and I would appreciate any updates you can provide with continued use!
The Fishing Hobby Yea definitely will do. One major thing that I forgot to mention...that first very light coat is crucial in stopping small bubbles even when storing the glue upside down. I use thread that doesn’t need color preserver so initially tried it straight and it would go on without bubbles, but I believe as air trapped under the threads came out tiny tiny bubbles would emerge. Modge podge, color preserver, light glue/epoxy would all stop this. Just an FYI. Another note, I started experimenting with this because I have my wrapping station in the basement and over the winter it’s only 55/60 degrees down there. I’m sure the gorilla glue takes longer to cure in this temp, but it has absolutely no effect at all when applying and how the finish appears. That’s the biggest plus for me.
That's a great thing to bring up and something I didn't think about. Hopefully others will see this comment. The modge podge I used probably helped prevent that on my wraps. Also good to know the temperature range you were able to have success with.
The Fishing Hobby one last thing I thought about after I just finished a rod. I initially use a stiff brush with the epoxy then actually use the end of a zip tie to apply the gorilla glue. Sounds odd, but can move a lot of material around without introducing brush strokes. Also helps to get under guides. Random but effective.
I use a metal tool to move it around sometimes, same idea really. Noted!
I would have never guessed that gorilla glue would be suitable for thread wraps. Personally I've only used the foaming gorilla glue on wood lol.. I'll definitely be getting some next time I'm at the hardware store have a few small jobs this would be well suited for, and some full rod rebuilds that I have in the works.
Try it out on some test wraps and see how you like it. It is definitely a different type of glue than the original Gorilla polyurethane glues. As a wrap finish, it isn't quite as hard as epoxy and doesn't self level as well. For smaller wraps, it is fast and really easy to use. It is also very easy to remove if you need to replace a guide at some point. You can cut it off with a razor without heating it up to soften it like you would do with epoxy.
Thanks for the idea. I started to build a few Trolling Lure Heads and I took the first out of the Mold a little too early and it was a little cloudy.
I put it in the Rod Dryer and top coated it with the Clear Gorilla Glue (rather than mix up another batch of epoxy) and it corrected the cloudiness quite nicely. It seems to be a good possibility to correct mistakes.
If it doesn't last, just cover it again.
Anyway, thanks again for the idea.
Thanks for posting this in the comments and for emailing me about it. I've found several uses for this type of glue!
It sounds very interesting in your applications. I haven't had much success in other applications for one on one application though.
that is great that way i wont have to buy a dryer still i start doing more then 5 or 6 rods a month thank you for your tips keep it up
It works well for personal use rods.
I'm going to try it on my personal rod. This is a nice find. Thanks.
You might read through the comments and finds tips others have given. Some pretty good ideas and everyone who has tried it so far likes it.
Will give it a try next guide repair
It looks good !!!! TY for the new idea.
Thanks for watching!
Best new technique, great.
Very cool maybe one day I will attempt this.
I like working on things (kind of like you). I think you would probably like rod building 👍
I’ve found another gorilla glue product I’m trying out. It’s the clear epoxy it has a set time of 5 minutes as well. Trying it out on a scrap piece of a rod.
Go for it! The thing I don't like about fast setting epoxy for wraps is that they tend to be more brittle and don't release their bubbles as easily. I have used Devcon 2 ton epoxy when I first started out several years ago. It sets up pretty quick compared to epoxy made for rod wraps and it is harder to get the bubbles out. I managed to get some good looking jobs done with it for personal use. Once I bought some rod wrap specific epoxy, I never went back to messing around with other types of epoxy. It was just easier to use. One other drawback may be a lack of UV inhibitor in most epoxy. Epoxy breaks down in UV light, so rod wrapping finish epoxies have extra UV inhibitor added in. If it is for personal use, there is no harm in trying anything out in my book. Anything can always be redone if needed!
I would really like to see someone use uv curing resin for wrapping guide wraps
I've thought about it myself, but never tried it.
@@TheFishingHobby I tried it before for some UL rods, the results are good in so far.
However, the viscosity of the UV resin I tried is a bit high, it is not easy to control and the resin is not soaked into the thread very well. The result would be good is applying UV light while using a rod dryer or rotating the rod.
As I don't know are there any UV inhabitors in the resin, it would be a safe bet to wrap the guide with some dark colour thread or "warm" colour thread if you consider to use UV resin as finish for wraps to minimize the yellowing risk.
That's the first testing trip after I build the rod, you may see the stripper guide's resin is quite thick...
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@@vassilihk good information, thank you! If your UV curing resin is polyester based then it should not yellow like epoxy can from what I understand.
I was just asking myself yesterday if i could use that gorilla glue for fixing my rods! Thank you so much for sharing! 👌🏽👍🏽😀🙏🏽
Just keep in mind this isn't the original gorilla glue or the white gorilla glue. This one is called "clear" gorilla glue. It is a totally different sort of glue than the others.
I was just looking last night at Walmart at all they had. I was actually looking a two part epoxy that didn't set up so fast. I even had this in the buggy and end up putting it back. I would have definitely got it if I had seen this first. That's about what I want.
It works well and is easier to remove later than epoxy. It isn't perfect but all wrap finishes have some drawbacks. The clear gorilla glue is great for most short wrap situations. Long decorative wraps wouldn't be easy to get level and epoxy would be a better choice. I will probably play around with it to see if I can come up with a leveling method for longer decorative wraps, but that may not be possible.
@@TheFishingHobby . What would be best to clear coat an old rod with? I have a Mitchell spidercast rod I've had for 20 years or better. I'm refinishing it right now. I'm just not sure what would hold up with out cracking or ruining the blank its self.
@@jonathononeal2570 there is a product called Bullard's CPXtra that I've gotten good results with for refinishing rod blanks. I'm planning on doing a video next week about something else that works well and can be found locally for refinishing a rod blank. If you haven't already, subscribe to my channel and turn on notifications so you will know when I've uploaded that video. I'm going to show how to apply it and I think it will work well for most people 👍
@@TheFishingHobby . I already have .lol. I'm waiting lol.
Here is the blank finish video: ua-cam.com/video/l1ra8-R7y_Y/v-deo.html
Hope that helps you out!
FWIW, naphtha (lighter fluid) will quickly clean off the GC from nylon brushes used to spread and "paint" the thread. That solvent will leave a trace of petroleum on the brushes, which is removed using denatured alcohol.
Good to know, thanks!
@@TheFishingHobby See my caveat, just edited into my above post.
I will be testing this on a new shark rod. Should work great.
Awesome! I'd be curious to see how it holds up on a heavier rod like that. Let me know how it works out for you if it isn't too much trouble.
Been using gorilla 5min epoxy glue for a few years now on so many builds and never any issues. It does take practice though. You gotta work fast
I think if what you are using works well for you, it is hard to argue with that! I've used off the shelf epoxies but not the Gorilla Glue epoxy specifically. I personally find the Flex Coat epoxy well worth the price. It is so much easier to work with for me. It flows well for quite a while and it is also thinner and self levels much better. I have a few rods with Devcon 2 ton epoxy and Bob Smith Industries 30 minute slow cure epoxy that are still holding up just fine. For me, it was a lot more stressful to get it on, leveled out and get rid of bubbles before it started to set up. I've heard that Alumilite's Clear Cast epoxy is a product that is much more similar to rod building epoxy. I haven't tried it myself, but it is one that can be found locally by most people in hobby shops like Michaels. From what I've read, rod building epoxy is casting epoxy with extra UV protection added. That is probably why people have had good luck with the Alumilite product.
I tried this on a a guide and it worked out fine. I don't think I will use this on my rods as the standard method. My main complaint about this is that it isn't scratch resistant and it gets a scuffed appearance.
However, the fact that I can toss a few guides, thread with bobbin, and some of this glue into a field repair kit is awesome!
I agree with you, great for repairs. It is also a lot easier to get it off if you need to redo a guide or do a permanent repair with epoxy. Always good to have options.
After it is steam set, can you apply another coat? Or is it a one coat deal?
Also do you think it's possible to get invisible wraps with silk thread to work with this? I'm tempted to try it.
I know I ask a lot of questions here, really appreciate all your input!
Hey, no problem! I just use one coat. It doesn't really penetrate much into the thread like epoxy does so if you tried invisible wraps it would more than likely just end up blotchy looking.
That's a good idea!
Thanks!
Is it ok to apply while the rod is turning? Would it produce the same result?
I applied this on a different project while turning and it turned out really good. Here is a link to that project and a follow up video as well:
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@@TheFishingHobby thanks
@@annebrowne5868 no problem!
interesting, but i don't think i can trust it for everything. If it's not soaking into the thread (which is why it keeps an NCP look), it also means it's not soaking through to the blank. The tunnels along the guide foot are probably big air gaps also. For light power rods, no problem. For anything bigger, bottom fishing, or casting out and hauling in mats of grass, I don't think it would last long except maybe the guides near the tip.
That was my concern too but several people left comments that they have used it on heavier rods with no problems. The thread does all the heavy lifting, epoxy protects the thread and keeps it in place. As long as it does those two things, it should hold up well.
I really like your videos they are really help full Im an experience rod fixer and this is changing the game for me Im also starting a you tube channel an I will like to mention I hope is no problem whit you my channel will be like your except i will be mostly in Spanish do to the need for it for the Hispanic community thank i hope I will hear from you soon. THANK YOU SO MUCH
No problem at all, glad you like the idea. Good luck with your channel 👍
Thanks are you still making the rod raping machine
@@sonsofthesea6859 yes, I just listed more for sale. I was out of them for a while so I had to build some more. Here is the link: www.ebay.com/itm/142777828781
Can you apply this to a finished rod as like a varnish
I wouldn’t. It is too thick for that.
Very interesting. I will give it a go
What sort of ring was the black very thin one with the white rap?
It was just a broken guide that the insert had come out of 😀
I'm calling the Gorilla Clear as the "faux epoxy guide wrap finish" that's as good if not better than messing with epoxy, yet looks like a glossy epoxy finish.
Glad you like it!
Hi, just found the page, how do you clean the brush after using the Gorilla glue, Excellent video.
I just used a disposable brush. I didn't attempt to clean it.
@@TheFishingHobby Thanks👍
Now how is it for removing a rod guide if needed, example. My cousin broke a rod I made him, it was not that old. So he wanted another one like it. So the guides were still good, you just need to heat up the epoxy and a light cut with a razor blade and the guide is off. Will this glue do the same if needed.
It is much easier to remove than cured epoxy because it is softer than epoxy. You don't need to heat it, just cut into it like you would do normally, get a thread started and pull the thread off. It is easy to remove more like the old varnish rod wrap finish.
I use the wood glue gorilla glue under my foam grips I also use the 2 part 5 min epoxy for my tip tops and reel seat gimble s etc etc it holds very strong never had one fail yet even when trying to take off tip tops or etc you have to cut it off because of how good it holds and bonds to the rod
Can you thin it? Maybe to improve the leveling properties for turning if you wanted?
Maybe, I haven't looked into it really. If I were going to try that, I'd probably just use regular rod building epoxy. To me there are two major points I like about using this stuff. 1st is less trouble with bubbles and the second is not needing to use a rod dryer. If you were able to thin it, that would require mixing something in which would probably introduce bubbles and then having to use a rod dryer. It isn't hard to get a near epoxy finish level with this stuff (especially without a camera in the way 😁) and I can set it aside without worrying about it in about 10 minutes as long as it isn't laid on something that would touch the glue.
@@TheFishingHobby I see that you mention there is no need for a rod dryer, however, I am curious how does it perform if a rod dryer is used?
@@briandank2391 it works best if you use a dryer. I'm going to link two videos of a reel seat I made and used the clear gorilla glue on. The first one shows how I did it and I did use a rod dryer on it. The second video shows the results up close.
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@@TheFishingHobby new to your channel and dig your content! Think I will try the gorilla glue clear on guide wraps with a drying motor and use the steam method to set them when I have them all done.
Yeah, give it a shot and see what you think. I think it is perfectly fine for just about any freshwater rod and even saltwater except for big game species.
Well after a couple of years what is the long term outcome of using gorilla glue vs. epoxy?
It works fine. It is easier to remove if needed for future repairs. I like the look of epoxy better but this product does a good job of protecting the thread.
i live buy the Gulf of Mexico so i am going to wrap salt water rod no big game fish 15 to 30 pound fish so when i start wrapping rod i will surly let you know how it works for me I have a question can i refinish white fiber glass rod an if i can what would you suggest thank you for you videos
If you just need a new clear coat, Bullard's CPXtra works great. You might read down through other people's comments who have used this clear gorilla glue in rods. One person has used it on several catfish rods with success. That would be probably similar to the types of rods you are wanting to build. Good luck!
@@TheFishingHobby thank you
How do you store your gorilla glue? I keep mine in the refrigerator.
I keep the clear gorilla glue like I used in this video in a windowsill in my laundry room. They recommend it be stored somewhere with regular exposure to light.
How long for it to skin over? I did a minute and it is running...
I don't know the specific amount of time and that would vary some depending on temperature and humidity levels and how thick it is applied. I did this one indoors at about 70°F room temperature. I rotated it by hand as shown in the video until it starts to move more slowly and then I used the steam from the cup to hurry the process along. I used a pretty thin coat too. If you have low humidity levels in your area, it will take longer to cure because it is a moisture curing glue. Not an exact answer, but hopefully it will help.
@@TheFishingHobby lol..well I know the answer is "more"!
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You think it will work on putting on the guide tip
I do, but there are some potential issues you may run into. My 2 biggest concerns would be removal if you need to replace the tip in the future. It is easy enough to take off a guide wrap where you can easily remove it because you have direct access to the glue. Inside a tip you can't cut the glue directly and it doesn't soften with heat like hot melt glue does. Second would be setup time during install. It takes it a little while to firm up so you would probably need to clamp it in place somehow so it couldn't shift position on you while it cures.
Can you use this for the grip on a fly rod?
On a cork grip? You can put it on cork but it will darken the cork quite a bit from its natural color. I also would just wipe it on and not try to build up any depth, almost like a stain. I have put some on cork, it feels nice and pretty natural. It makes it a little easier to clean.
@@TheFishingHobby Hey Hobby, thanks for getting back so quick and the info. I'm wanting to use it to attract the cork to the blank. This is my first build, I will start as soon as I get the glue and blank, and if it will work for that I'll give it a try. Thanks for the info. I think it will really help me out with this first one.
I'm sorry, I completely missed your comment somehow. It should bond the cork to the blank without any issues. I'm sure you already tried it or did something else by now.
@@TheFishingHobby Yep. Have built 3 rods using this product and it works great. Thanks for the info and site. Stay safe out there.
Thank you for the update and you stay safe as well!
How is the gorilla glue working out for you sir?
Haven't had any issues yet. A lot of people in the comments are having good luck with it too. Only thing I've noticed is that you get less bubbles if you use color preserver on the thread before using the Gorilla glue. I think air trapped in between the threads release and get into the glue without the color preserver. The CP seems to prevent that.
Im just seeing this a year later. Do you have an update on how its holding up in the elements?
Yeah, it works just fine. Epoxy is still my favorite, but this is great for beginners struggling with epoxy or for a quick repair. Check through the other comments and you'll see what others think about it who have tried it. I also have a video that shows how a reel seat I did with the clear gorilla glue turned out here: ua-cam.com/video/0yaqBmmT6HE/v-deo.html