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Cupra Born: The First EV Hot Hatch VS Cupra Leon | Fifth Gear Recharged
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2022
- The Seat/Cupra group are well known for producing excellent hot hatches. Now they’ve created an EV one, the Born. It’s the first proper EV hot hatch on sale, but can it beat its petrol-powered sibling? Seat invited us to Spain to find out as Karun puts them against each other on track.
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EV hot hatch? I hope this segment takes off. Great review!
It will, however this Born is really only a warm hatch like a Cerato GT or A250. Hot hatches that are as good or faster than their petrol counterparts will come when solid state batteries arrive on the scene.
@@patrickbateman6885 Solid state batteries may come out by 2030. :) I am excited for this new technology.
Lovely seeing such kind and optimistic comments. I think solid state will come out a little sooner. But will be in hatch low cost category by 2030
REAR WHEEL DRIVE. The best combination ever.
@@Neojhun Agreed. RWD is fun, as we all know 5th Gear and the former Top Gear enjoy that. :)
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Was it the Cupra Leon 300TSI or the lower 242bhp version ?
This test should be done again where both cars compete from a standing start. The electric power 0 - 30 mph would probably produce a more suitable performance figure for daily in town use, over a petrol engined car.
People calling Karun out for saying "Seat Leon" should be mad at Cupra, not him.
Their brand is a joke, they just rebadged a Leon and expect people not to call it a Seat. It's even clear how they made the badgE square to fit the place where the Seat badge goes.
What a joke, at least DS gave completely new front bumpers to the old models that were sold as Citroen DS before it became a separate brand.
It's like they're trying to pull wool over our eyes while we sit here saying "you're pulling the wool over our eyes", but they keep trying anyway. Other than the front end they haven't done much to disguise that it's a tweaked Volkswagen ID.3. Not to mention that the ICE cars are basically identical. Standalone my arse.
Tell you what, Karun does a mighty good job at commentating. It’s probably his voice. Looks like him having a lackluster F1 career is not such a shame after all.
Started off very promising, rear wheel drive is a huge tick but it sounds way underpowered, I was really disappointed by the end. If Tesla came out with a hothatch that would kick the segment into gear. Apparently Vauxhall has EV plans for the Astra VXR, hopefully they don't balls it up.
If I had a girlfriend, and could drive, I would treat her to some nice donuts with the rear wheel drive function of this Born car. ;) I'm sure she'll love it.
I'm in my early-mid 20s and can't drive cos of my ADHD, and I don't have a girlfriend, since I need to learn how to live independently first. Late bloomer here.
The top speed of the Cupra Born is 160kmh (99mph), it might have lost a good deal of time there?
And the Fiat Punto Evo 2013 is 70mph but is a better deal if you want a intense whiplash (3000$)
Surprised and disappointed that it was 13 seconds slower. I'd be quite happy not being forced into electric power by legislation, but if that's to be then I want something to look forward to from a comparatively affordable electric hot-hatch.
You can still buy hybrid until 2035 though
I think that Born is great. Sure it was slower, but dude clearly said that normal Leon understeers. It's no fun to understeer and be unable to use all that power, meanwhile Born has superior handling, but weaker motor. It's no brainer, Born is better.
@@MJ-uk6lu agreed
@@MJ-uk6lu leon is miiiiiiiiiileeeees faster pal. Not even close regardless of understeer
@K 9 The Born / ID3 are supposed to be the EV equivalents of the Leon & the Golf. The Polo equivalent would be the ID2 when its released.
The thing weights 2200kg so its no surprise its slow around a track, a normal Cupra Leon is about 1500-600 kg.
Not nearly enough performance to call it a hot hatch yet IMO, and that is coming in at just under £40,000. The hot hatches when they come will be near £45-50k! Mad money
Yes it was completely embarrassed by it's petrol powered sister car ( although the petrol powered car had better performance numbers from the start. So you could argue about fair comparison but anyway ). Price to performance ratio wasn't great to say the least. More a warm hatch so should of been priced accordingly. Not sure how many they will sell at that price. Styling was surprisingly ok though
@@robsmall6466 I'm all for switching to electric coming from a hot hatch lover. What was great about hot hatches is that they are in amongst the regular cars but had performance to match cars worth much more. That's not the case anymore with the cost.
@@DavidTapster True. This is BMW, Merc and Audi money. Better off purchasing a Fiesta ST. Even the hybrid Suzuki Swift Sport is quicker for all out speed. Hot hatches with this level of performance simply won't sell for that price. I'd like to see mixed motoring to be honest. Think Jason Plato said on the last episode he would prefer hybrid. Possibly the best compromise given the infrastructure and power generation issues. All electric for those who can and want to. Hybrid for those who can't ( lack of off street parking for example )
@@robsmall6466 yeah, electric is still not the number one seller yet. This is the introduction, give it another 5 years or so and you'll start to see the prices come down hopefully!
@@robsmall6466 it's not a lot of Merc at that money.
Besides, TCO on EV'S is way lower, sticker price doesn't tell the entire picture.
I've mentioned this before but When will Fifth Gear update their interior cameras? Looks like it was shot in 2011
Nice. Really like this but... at nearly £40k it's model 3 money - and the basic Tesla will do 0-60 in 5.5seconds, is more efficient and had better charging infrastructure. I'd much rather have the Born based on looks but it's really hard to make the argument.
Yet the Tesla has a horrendous interior with a massive tablet that should be illegal since its just a massive smartphone/tablet. Also terrible build quality and reliability with countless of people reporting build quality and reliability issues.
Other companies like Hyundai, BMW, VW, etc. make cars around that price bracket which are far superior to the overrated Apple of the Automotive world.
@@ishshah8695 I don't think I agree with any of that. Chinese plant Model 3 don't have the build issues you describe. I personally like the Model3 interior - even if the minimalism has gone a little 'too far'. And "overrated Apple"? The Apple who make the best laptops and tablets in the World? odd comment IMO
@@ishshah8695 Amen my brother. That Tesla tablet is ugly. I want a dashboard, and an infotainment center that is flush with the interior. :)
All cars go the same speed
Not the first attempt at a hot hatch EV, the Mini Cooper S electric was the first.
Also which Leon was it, the 245 or 300bhp? Either way the Born is only 231bhp with e boost and speed limited to 99mph, so not really surprising the more powerful, lighter and non limited car was quickest on a track.
It has quad tailpipes so is the 300hp version
Unfortunately Fifth gear isn't telling us which version of Leon was this one nor if the El Born was with adaptive suspension or not...
If it had 350bhp and AWD I would definitely be interested in switching to electric power I currently drive a Formentor VZ2 310 which I am very happy with.
350hp Dual Motors. One for Each REAR Wheel.
15cm shorter roofline, 400kg less, drop the MVP shape, it might shave 7 or 8 seconds.
Compared to the VW ID and other EVs is this the sportiest "not a hatch"?
Probably a normal A3 "not a hatch" does the same time.
This is more a soft hatch than hot like a Kia Cerato GT or A250. Maybe hot by Gen 5-6 Golf GTI levels, but not by Mark 7.5/8, Type R, Renault RS, A35, Octavia RS, 128ti, or as shown here the Cupra Leon. Hot electrics hatches, sedan, SUVs, coupe (bar a few) that are similar, as good or better will come when solid state batteries show up, but for now petrol is still the way.
If this is VAG's first attempt and it handles so well, they could just reuse this platform for longer and wider coupe, add more power and they can easily take on Tesla.
They have taken on tesla
With the Taycan/Etron GT
Is the Volkswagen Group seriously trying to make us believe that Cupra is a standalone manufacturer? Compare the side profile and rear end to the Volkswagen ID.3 and you'll realise straight away that it's the same flippin' car. The switchgear in the interior is virtually identical too not to mention that the ICE cars share the same names and design language as Seat. I don't get it.
Since dieselgate it's been clear that the VW group has been told to save money wherever possible. I guess this lack of separation between the manufacturers is another byproduct. But you're right, this is just an ID.3 with a tweaked nose and slightly different dynamics. They started with a very underwhelming product so I'm sure it was a difficult task to make it exciting.
@@MrRedRye Correct. I’m greatly disappointed to see that the I.D.3 and 4’s interiors are all crapy, cheap, hard materials and the screens look like they will fall off. Hopefully when they arrive here in Australia, that the quality will be greatly improved like VW do for the Australian market.
Glorified ID.3 Volkswagen renamed and they put the price to higher than a faster car which is cheaper
Seriously?
Not a standalone manufacturer. A standalone brand, when it used to be just a version name under the SEAT brand. The name is irrelevant though. The speed limit, however, is ridiculous!
Tesla might be quicker, but the born just look freaking cool! 5,5 vs 6,6 0-100 come, in real life driving that dosent matter. it actually goes 0-70 (kph) in 2,6 (tried it) so if is battle at light stops, it kicks must cars😜
I really like the look over Id.3 (and the boring Tesla models). but again, taste can by discused..
Problem is if you want to make a reasonably fast petrol car you do two things ,you tune the engine and remove weight. In an ev you can remove weight yes but you end up putting it back in with increased battery packs .what advantages it does have is instant torque. But most evs in this segment will be heavier than their ice counter parts.
Was it the Cupra Leon 300TSI or the lower 242bhp version ?
It's the 300TSI Cupra Leon as it had 4 exhausts. The 245TSI Leon has dual exhausts like the Golf GTI
Daring! I knew it would be miles slower.... But at least they gave it a try. 👍 EV6 GT later in 2022... Maybe better?
A base EV6 will perform comparably to this, the GT will destroy it
Most of these Fifth Gear reviews are not real world usage. Speed tests are done on private test tracks or they find a country with lax speed limits.
I suppose is the 300hp Leon that's why the difference. This is a more expensive car the the El Born. They fair comparison would have been with 245hp Leon that has about the same price with the Born.
40 grand for a Golf R? I dont know where u get that, but i will sign for it😝
I would say the BMW i3s Is a hot hatch. it also has a sub 7 sec. 0-62mph and it is pretty funny on B-roads!
Opportunity wasted? Launching with a 30%power deficit and c £8k bloat? - Think Cayman launching against the 911...
Seat are reigning in the E Cupra's potential to place it firmly behind their ICE version whilst they can produce more ICE than E and at better margins
When they have higher production capacity and margins, they will probably add 1, hopefully two front motors and integrate full torque vectoring - increasing power in line with desirability / prod capacity to create the goal of c. 90% prod to orders ratio
I would prefer more commitment, ramp up production with heavier investment in order to draw sales away from the coming Chinese onslaught - It would be easy for them to instantly outclass the Cupra R - could prob make it cheaper by the yr end too :)
£29k E Cupra R, 280 ml range,10% more acceleration and perhaps 20% less VNE would be very appealing as a daily hot-hatch :)
Elements of VW ID3 in the body work?Need to see them next to one another.
How is this the first electric hot hatc? The i3s was an electric hot hatch....so is the mini electric
Expert, honest review. 👍
Didn't know Barcelona was in southern Spain 🤣🤣
Power to weight ratio and top speed don't help. Plus look closer at that body and windows, it's an MPV in disguise! It almost tricked me but definitely is not a hot hatch.
It's not an MPV, it's a Volkswagen ID.3 in a little bit of disguise.
The i3s also fits in this category
Hotpoint washing machines.
Off topic a bit, but, all these ev are. Great (not really 😂) but I haven't seen any n-cap saftey reports on any ev model??
Karun to test the new VZ version? 🤔
Waiting for the Renault 5 Alpine
Looks like a rebadged ID3 🥱
It is
Because it is... Look at the side profile, roof line, charging port cover, the way the rear lights interact with the rear quarter panel, the rear aero treatment, interior switchgear.
Min 3:51, and also 4:18, is he driving in ECO mode (ECO clearly visible on the central screen) or is it the air con??
Anyway, I really like the Born, but at about 40k £ I'd buy a Tesla Model 3, faster, more efficient and spacious and with a way better infotainment and standard equipment.
The Tesla model 3 is pretty much the iPhone of cars at the moment, and people might choose alternatives just to be different.
On top of that, some people will prefer a hatchback and/or prefer something with stiffer handling.
On your main point though, that's a keen eye you have! I wonder if you're right that the reviewer had the car in the wrong mode 😂
@@overlordKrunK thanks haha! To be honest I checked online and "ECO" should be referred to the aircon, also because the most energy saving mode is called "range", but the presenter should had it off maybe.
About the Model 3, I agree with you, the Born seems to have more character and it is a hatchback, which I do prefer, but in pure efficiency/value for money terms, at a similar cost my modest opinion is that the Model 3 it's better. Hopefully there will be cheaper Born versions that will be higher value for money, and that maybe I could afford 😂
Didnt know they drive cupra in india!
I thought EVs was to stop the pollution ?
58kWh, not 58kW...
Born? Bored more like
Cupra Leon Not SEAT Cupra
Cupra is a standalone brand now remember
A standalone brand selling rebadged Seats and Volkswagens...
for 40k you can almost get a Tesla model 3 which is way quicker
You can get a Model 3 for not much more
It looks more like a minivan
Vs Cupra Leon. Lmao get it right 😂
That's what I thought.
Just another reason why battery EVs will never make it into the mainstream. Weight. 13 seconds let us not forget is an eternity. If these were 2 petrol powered cars competing, we would say the slower one was not even in the same universe with that kind of time gap.
It's a pretty impressive leap to go from "one of the world's first production electric hatchbacks is 13 seconds slower on the track lap than its closest ICE counterpart" to "battery EVs will never make it into the mainstream".
Perhaps you mean BEVs won't become mainstream in motorsports, or a mainstream choice for car buyers who want a daily driver that they can take to the track?
@@overlordKrunK First of all, you have some real selective and delusional reading skills. The first part of your quoting I never said.
To your next point, nope, I mean exactly what I said. Perhaps you haven't considered that battery prices are going through the roof because there isn't enough materials to make them. Perhaps you have not considered most grids are far from being able to support BEV, and even if they could prices of electricity would go up significantly with significant demand. There goes your home heating bill, and your so called "cheap to fill" BEV. Perhaps you haven't considered most battery components come from conflict zones...
Its ok though. I understand not everyone is educated on this matter, or contains the level of intellectual ability needed to comprehend it all.
First ? What about the mini SE?
The Model 3 would beat the Leon...
Model 3 performance certainly would. I'm not sure about the base model 3, and even that car is 5k more than the Cupra Leon.
Is everyone letting this statement go? ua-cam.com/video/35x_-T7dBrY/v-deo.html
Hmm. Seems a bit slow, boring and expensive.
It is just a I.D.3 in a slightly different body and just as crap as that car. Not pulling the wool over my eyes VW.
"It looks great"... Say what?
😆🤣😆🤣🤣
He has the most irritating voice. Bring back Tiff and Jonny Smith
What's "hot" about a car with a top speed of 180Km/h?
The presenter is terrible
Just get a Tesla, much faster.
Just get a corvette, even faster.
@@alexandruandreivasile5041didnt know they made an ev corvette
I would consider Tesla for daily driving, I’d look elsewhere for fun, my fun doesn’t come from “fart mode” and drag racing.
Not everyone wants a Tesla, or can afford a Tesla, or likes the odious little man that owns the company. An 'affordable' and fun electric car is what the majority are hoping for.
I went straight for the Rimac, will blow any tesla out of the water...
Electric vehicles are disgusting bullshit because they are so flawed. Look at this "cupra born" it's hideously disgusting, looks like a fricking mini van and goes like crap. It's extremely awful, way too fricking heavy, so hideous shape, too extremely low top speed... It's just so extremely awful. The problem with EVs is not that they are electric it's in the fact they are extremely flawed in every way. Look at porsche mission R or whatever it is called... It's electric yet it's a great car, take notes goddammit
Compare a £38k hatch that's affordable to a decent chunk of the population to an EV supercar, I do wonder why the Porsche is far better.