That price difference is obviously way too large to ignore - I read that Kia had put their sub £30K EV on hold as it was difficult to make a profit below that figure. They also acknowledged that if sub £30K cars like the MG started to steal their market share, they would be forced to react. Interesting comment and I wonder if MG is being heavily subsidised to achieve this pricing. We have seen their other models jump in price after they have been out for a while so the same could happen to the 4. Grab it while its cheap I guess !
On the MG4, you can dedicate the steering wheel buttons to be your climate control, and drive modes. It also has voice control. As for the 50kw charging times, that's simply not accurate. I've test driven the MG4, it is quiet on the motorway and handled perfectly.
It's ridiculous that car journalists don't spend a little time before these reviews to learn these features, which are so important for a balanced review. Quite a lot of content in here seemed to go against most of the reviews I've watched (I've watched many), such as the build quality (not necessarily materials). The handling on the MG4 is also fantastic, I've test driven one, it was like an electirc go-kart. It seems that some of these journalists have an agenda or preconception about a car or the outcome of a review before the test, then go looking for things to support it.
@@rikkiola agree. With the early reviews, it was clear they had the car for a very limited time. But by now they should have this info. I agree, the MG build quality on the interior seems good - though perhaps this was an indirect reference to oil leaks and bulging under-trays. The MG drive has won rave reviews in every other review I've seen, so I was surprised by this - though I don't know how it compares to the Born, so perhaps it is slightly less good.
I agree. That's always an indicator for me to see if reviewers looked deep enough into the MG4 to have a strong opinion. Even the wind noise on higher speed is only on some MG4 which need a recalibration of the door window. Then it should be quite as far as I know. The quality of the interior was also really good in the MG4 in my opinion. I didn't think that I sat in a cheap car. I agree that the materials on the lower level are much cheaper than in the cupra born, but that's mostly the case and on the upper level the materials feels really nice in my opinion. In mind t hat the entry price has a difference of 10.000 pounds, that's totally bearable.
What Car? Have lost a lot of credibility recently. Making the VW ID Buzz, ‘Car of the Year’ Didn’t help the cause. It isn’t even the best in its class. whatever that is. It certainly isn’t a car and in fact launched as a van. It has poor range and is overpriced, for a box on wheels. Guess which company owns the Cupra Born? 😊
Picked up my MG4 on Thursday, have to say it’s a superb drive. Not noticed serious wind noise on the motorways. Maybe I don’t drive fast enough. Happy with my choice, will upgrade to the four-wheel-drive version as soon as it’s available for extra range and 440 hp
Price difference between these two cars is enormous ,so not really a fair comparison in some respects.Go MG ,10k buys a lot of juice over the years and a 7 year warranty is peace of mind for a long time !
You say it's "not a fair comparison", but that isn't true. It wouldn't a fair comparaison if this guy didn't mention price at all and just compared the two cars. But he DID mention price, and at the end, his conclusion was that even though the Born is a slightly better vehicle, the MG4 is actually the one he'd call the best small electric car because of the incredible value. So, he was fair in his review.
I chose the MG4 51 kWh because it also has a better (LFP) battery in the smallest version, the lfp battery that you can always charge to 100%, I think is a very big advantage.
I made the exact same decision for the exact same reason. NMC only has around 2,000 cycles, whereas LFP is 5,000 or there abouts. There are even safety, thermal and environmental advantages. It's a really important consideration and yet I've never seen a single review mention it... If you had an ICE where one spec had a Wankel engine and another had a standard then they'd devote half the review to the pros and cons but with battery chemistry nobody has a word to say. Almost as if they're too lazy to do basic research like googling "LFP vs MMC".
@Did you really post that ? correct, I'm with a number of ev groups on Facebook and I'm amazed at so few people have no interest in the different batteries of the MG4...... Good choice of battery Sir.
Yeah, as I mentioned above, this is pretty much the only review that slates the driving experience. Guess it's subjective, though this review is by far in the minorty from those I've seen
In what way was it more fun to drive for you? I’m getting my MG4 in a few days, but I’ve selected it mainly because it’s electric, quite powerful and not as expensive as the rest while still offering newest technology. So the driving experience would only be the cherry on top for me
I’ve driven both, the MG4 feels faster and more stable on bends etc. The Cupar Born feels more sluggish and wallowy but feels better quality inside especially the seats. I’m waiting for the MG4 dual motor which will apparently be cheaper than the Born V3 to the tune of 8k and does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds !
I have ordered the 61kw 450km EURO 31500. mg 4 in Ireland. Hope to get it in march. The curpra is 10k more and same range except with creature comforts. Government also reducing the 5k green tax this summer. Get them while you can.
A fact rarely mentioned in reviews is that the Born with the larger battery loses the middle seat in the rear. Not many cars lose passenger carrying capacity with different specifications!
Hello B - 6075, MG Motor Australia, has recently announced (9th May, 2023) the MG4 Range for Australia, with new model to the market, the "Long Range" model, with RWD Motor 180kW (241 hp) and 350Nm, claimed 0 to 100km/hr under 7 secs (my rough guess is 6.8 sec), with 77kWh battery, Range of up to 530km (WLTP). At AUD $55,990 (excluding on-road costs). Drive-away cost is not known at this stage.
Having tested and driven both, in general I have to agree with your conclusions, like you the craptic buttons on the born are totally useless, but you failed to mention that in the MG4 you can assign the wheel buttons to certain funcions and has voice control which seemed to work when i tried it so this is much better than the born, but i agree overal the born is ever so slightly better but nowhere near 10 grand better maybe if it was say 1500 dearer i might be persuaded but no, so i ordered the spanish MG4 luxury version with the 2 tone interior, this to me lifts it to on par with the born interior in looks.
this to me seems a no brainer, the MG4 wins hands down for 2 things IMO. Firstly the 10k price difference, that's madness and secondly the 7yr warranty. When you consider that not everyone can service EVs and fix anything that can go wrong (they are machines after all) it seems crazy to spend 10k more for 4yr less warranty just for a few bits of build quality or smaller compromises.
Yeah, not to mention, who even notices "cheap materials in the interior" outside of tech UA-camrs whose job it is to review expensive cars 24/7? Most people who'll jump into my MG4 own cheap cars from 2012 and will actually be impressed by the MG4's interior if anything.
Small electric vehicles? Compact family runners I think. Pretty large and more than adequate space. I've got a Born. Think I would have seriously thought on the MG4 with that price when it would have been available.
The MG4 is nearly as good as the rivals as you say, then add in £10k cheaper spec dependant and can you honestly say the Born is a £10k worth better car? I probably am a bit biased as I have ordered a Trophy model.
Trophy battery size is similar to the Cupra Born smaller battery size, which is what you should compare to. Then, the price difference is not that big, although still sustancial.
Picked up my MG4 Long Range trophy today. I accept there are a few niggles, but the ride is great...I didn't find to much wind noise.... customisable buttons on the starting wheel can access the AC..... price wins every time though.
This is a pointless comparison. The Cupra goes from around £36k - £40k. It would be better to compare it the Megane E-Tech or Niro EV. Just ordered an MG4 SE Standard range and there is absolutely nothing to touch it at the price. Poor review i'm afraid.
It is not mentioned that the fast charging ability on the MG4 is much better than with the Curpra, especially in Winter. MG4 has a pre-conditioning ability. Even in winter, 140 kW is possible up to 50%, 100 kW with 60%. (I live in southern Bavaria.) It can happen that the Cupra only loads with 30 kW. The main issue for me to choose the MG4 was the price and the delivery time. In Germany, governmental grant ("Bafa-Prämie") ends in August 2023 for company cars.
The MG4 SE Normal Range is equipped with LFP batteries that have a much less degradation rate, and can tolerate better 100% charging. I think that this should be another plus for the MG4 standard range.
I'm buying a used ID.3 and I am very happy to have made that choice. I've found a Life 58mWh for under £25k with average miles and considering that we will do probably 8,000 miles a year it will soon be well below average miles. The ID.3 just felt more comfortable, more composed on the road and more practical for rear seat passengers than the MG. You pays your money ...
I'm waiting for the 77kWh extended range version of the 4, it should still come in cheaper than the base model Born, and I reckon the 440BHP AWD 4 will still be significantly under that €40K price point.
@@m.ahussain4005 Yup, I've heard that figure, too, with the 77kWh version being between the X (the 440bhp) and the current LR. The X will sell at about the same price as the entry level, RWD, short range Volvo EX30. I really think that the EX30, even though it's a damned SUV, would be more attractive to me than the Born. As for the 440 BHP version? I've spent enough time in performance cars to know that, ultimately, they're simply frustrating. So the 77kWh 4, especially with the pale interior trim, is looking like the one for me.
The residual value forecast, and thus monthly payments, will be more important than list price comparisons. Also, many employees are given a monthly allowance so the decision is about which car is best for the monthly payments allowance. Both cars will succeed.
Had a 77kWh V3 Cupra Born on order until the delivery date potentially got moved from March to June. Now, I’ll have an Extended Range MG4 in my driveway on the 1st March so I can have a 24 plate, otherwise delivery was quoted at “a couple of weeks” oh and it’s nearly £8500 cheaper - BONUS!
I had so many problems with Born it went after 5 months (6 weeks in dealership!) but my brother has constant issues with mg4. I’ve got BM i4 now and totally different beast: fantastic
Yes agreed and accepted but I’d prefer a secondhand i4 with 20/25k on clock to a new Cupra any day: and they’re same price. I think there’s a real issue with cheaper EVs.
@@andybalfour1654 you can do it also on the SE but it works for less functions (e.g. you can’t assign 360 camera in the SE because there are no cameras)
I have the ID.3 and I love the car, but when the lease is up, it is going to be hard to justify getting anything other than the MG4 right now given the price difference.
Why don't car companies, advertise real world range. They must have accumulated thousands of hours of data, during the development process. They could at least average it out. Wouldn't that be preferable, to what are unrealistic and deceiving figures. Most people buy vehicles, that suit their needs. I am sure, real world range is an important part of the decision-making process. This ambiguity; I am sure, is putting a lot of people off buying a fully electric vehicle. Especially as the real world range, can differ from 30 to 50 less miles from the advertised range. That is completely unacceptable.
All they have done is replaced fake mpg figures with fake WLTP figures. I have just ordered an MG4 SE standard range for just under £27k. As you say, people should buy to suit their needs.
And how do you think they would advertise "real range"? They must have a standardized way to measure it, and in Europe that is WLTP. Sure the method could be stricter, so you can look at EPA range (method used in the US, which gives a range substantially lower than WLTP) if the car is sold in the US. But VW cannot just invent a method and unilaterally advertise a car as "real range of XXX". Also, while people focus on range shortfall (which is at the greatest in winter on motorway) I can guarantee you that at low speed and ideal temperature you can exceed the WLTP, by a margin. People don't understand how much range varies as a function of speed, it is much more than in combustion engine cars, that is not an insignificant detail. If you search the website ev-database you will find estimates of "real range". A headline number, plus city, mixed driving and motorway in both summer and winter.
@@lozkko I would rather they underestimated the range in that case. You see on UA-cam, how many people have been caught out on a really cold day and left stranded, because the battery has died a lot sooner than they had anticipated. Like I said in my original post, there is plenty of data for all shapes and sizes of vehicles and batteries. To my type of thinking, deliberately inflating the range of a vehicle, it’s tantamount to fraud. And almost as bad as diesel gate. And we all know what happened to Volkswagen and other car manufacturers, because of that. They just have to keep it honest.
@@Steve-Cross they are not deliberately overstating the range. The WLTP specifies how the test must be conducted. How much driving is done at what speed and what the temperature is. The manufacturers cannot change the WLTP test. Do note that before the WLTP test there was the NEDC test, which was completely unrealistic (definitely overstated, even driving at very low speeds you couldn't achieve the range). Even if you think the test should be more stringent, you need to specify what test conditions you want. For instance, in the UK not very important to drive at say 85mph, as that is illegal, in Germany it would be. Likewise, temperature is more important in some countries than others. At the end of the day, what matters is being able to compare range of say a Renault vs one of a VW and a Kia. To do that you need a standardised test. As I say, you can look at EPA if available, and EV-database provides very good estimates based on different driving conditions.
10-80% of 77kwh battery is 70%. 70% of 77kwh is 53.9kwh. 51 minutes to charge 53.9kwh with 50kw. Hmm, what am I missing? Should those charging speeds not be the other way round?
I'm not sure if but either of these, I have a Kia e-Niro 4+ on lease and when it goes back, I'll probably buy a slightly used one for around £32k in 4+ trim. It's a far better day than either of these and the infotainment system just works! Normal dials for climate control too. Enough said methinks.
Not sure why you were comparing cheap vs cheap and expensive vs expensive versions. The MG4 with larger battery is very close to the Cupra Born smaller battery, 61 to 58. So, in that regard, the price difference is not as big.
If MG can improve build quality and reliability it may be a respected brand outside the UK. Chinese manufacturing quality could actually be a redemption for the disgraceful quality of the past. EVs today can be made anywhere as they are far simpler with much fewer moving parts. The differentiation will be the batteries, charging tech, quality and reliability as always.
Interesting video. I like the idea of electric traction but can't justify the expense. I will have to stick with my ageing ICE until there's a sub 4M car available at a sensible price with a good range. I get 300+ miles for £45 of petrol without a problem. Not "green" but not wasting resources on a new car.
2nd generation of both of this cars will be more important and exiting. Maybe VW will acknowledge some things by then, or not. The Chinese will, that’s for sure. Megane E have many of this issues smartly resolved, they just screwed on a range and price. Oooops for 2023.
But if looks aren't high on your list of needs or requirements, that matters much less. Value for money and practicality often rate higher than looks for many....
@@Brian-om2hh that's true. luckily everyone have their own opinions. Perhaps its getting used of the looks as well. I always thought the ID3 was hidious, nowadays I think it looks kinda cool.
I find it funny when difference between interiors is made by soft touch plastics. I wouldn't pay a dime for those. I don't have a habit of touching my car so the difference is pointless.
Really a no brainer the price, the 7 year warranty and the spec of MG cars will soon have this brand a mainstream brand just look at Datsun cheap as chips to start now you need to sell a kidney:)
Charging speed really don’t make sense, how can the smaller battery that charges faster be slower than the bigger battery that charges slower. Highly unprofessional review….
Look at the video work in the rear seating..... The Born has way more leg room + feet can go under the seat in front. The MG4 is way tighter + no way to put feet under the seat. I tried the MG4 months ago and thought the rear was dreadfully tight. Overall the MG4 shows its price! Cheap!! The MG5 is actually way better... More space, more comfort, good quality and in the middle of the two cars here on price!
What about reliability? I know a Telegram group of MG4 owners that are reporting lots of unforgivable failures even few days after the delivery of the car, such as oil leaks.
@@rikkiola I don’t own an MG4 so I defer to your knowledge BUT that is not what lots of owners (and apparently assorted dealers) on that forum are saying. 🤷♂️
Hasn’t put me off. You just need to find a dealer you can trust with any problems that crop up if any. There are MG4 owners on the forums who’ve not had any issues.
Not a problem. Just an overfill of the reduction gearbox. Dealers are recalling where required to remedy and MG have adjusted in production. I have already been told that my car will have been corrected in production before I take delivery in May this year.
The Born is not 40% better than the MG4, yet is 40% more expensive. MG4 has better warranty. However both are too expensive, too short range, too long to refill. Buy a diesel.
Which one will leak oil, have bulging under trays, have umpteen software glitches, potentially lock its owners inside and be the most unreliable car you’ve ever owned? Seriously, the MG is nowhere near ready for general sale, if I had my time again I wouldn’t even look at one.
@@Justin-wu4yw I’m picking my MG4 X up on Friday,I’m hoping the problems have been sorted but at the end of the day we have a 7 year warranty so I’m not too fussed.
Well is a bloody good knock off! Especially with the 7 year warranty, it’s as good as if not arguably better…I think people will buy it over the Cupra.
I've ordered my MG4. I remember my first Ford Escort. Rubber flooring, painted dash and doors, wind-down windows, windscreen wiper wash pump on the floor and bubbling holes in the wings. The only soft material to be found in it was me. It did not stop me from buying Ford Escort / Focus since. Looking forward to driving my aFORDable MG4 into the sunset
This reviewer must have had an MG dud... The Trophy i own is quiet, smooth, comfortable, responsive, and the battery is 64kwh not 61kwh. And the Stereo sounds awesome in the Trophy.
Agree…but then compare the original Mini with a modern Mini, or original Civic with a modern one. We’ve become used to ‘small’ cars getting bigger and bigger.
Based on the review the Born is the "best small electric car" and the MG4 is inferior in almost every way except price where it's hugely ahead. So the Born is the best, if you have the money.
10,000 pounds difference in base models says it all. When are any European manufacturers going to match a price like the MG. Cannot see anything coming soon.
You can’t start a review saying they’ve taken the id3 and fixed all the issues such as the infotainment system, and then proceed to pick holes in its infotainment system! 😂
I agree but not at this price point. If you was going to spend £40k on an EV, you wouldn't be looking at the MG4 in the first place. It's a pointless comparison.
Those charging figures and WLTP, one time it says 135kw charging for trophy then WLTP of 218 miles. I might be wrong but all figures should be as per cars on the video. So comparing charging times it should say 117kw for SR with 218miles of range. Some people will be watching this video maybe even making decisions of buying it, when its all wrong, as informations given are randomly picked out of different versions of mg4.
It is not communicated that the MG4 charging ability is much better than Born/ID.3. MG4 holds 140 kW up to 50% and even offers this performance in Winter. Born/ID.3 does not. The new MG platform is 2 years newer than the ID MEB platform.
@@martinv.352 Wrong section to reply to. But yes technically charging figures should look better on mg with battery heating, that ID's don't have. 140 is probably for trophy with lithium ion batteries, so SE SR can not be compared really, different technology, but should possibly charge faster anyway.
The Cupra Born was not even in the price range we were looking at. The MG drives nicely. It makes it possible for us to get into an electric vehicle. The Cupra Born price would not help us leave the internal combustion engine behind. We have removed gas from the house and wanted to complete the process of reducing our carbon footprint as much as possible. For us the cars to compare in our price range ate the BYD Dolphin, the MG4 Essence 64, and the GWM Ora. Which would you pick?
For an intensive and limit pushed use, in business or other professional area, a cupra born. For a casual or even a family relating use, and if the resources are limited, might accept an mg4.
That price difference is obviously way too large to ignore - I read that Kia had put their sub £30K EV on hold as it was difficult to make a profit below that figure. They also acknowledged that if sub £30K cars like the MG started to steal their market share, they would be forced to react. Interesting comment and I wonder if MG is being heavily subsidised to achieve this pricing. We have seen their other models jump in price after they have been out for a while so the same could happen to the 4. Grab it while its cheap I guess !
On the MG4, you can dedicate the steering wheel buttons to be your climate control, and drive modes. It also has voice control. As for the 50kw charging times, that's simply not accurate. I've test driven the MG4, it is quiet on the motorway and handled perfectly.
It's ridiculous that car journalists don't spend a little time before these reviews to learn these features, which are so important for a balanced review. Quite a lot of content in here seemed to go against most of the reviews I've watched (I've watched many), such as the build quality (not necessarily materials). The handling on the MG4 is also fantastic, I've test driven one, it was like an electirc go-kart. It seems that some of these journalists have an agenda or preconception about a car or the outcome of a review before the test, then go looking for things to support it.
@@rikkiola agree. With the early reviews, it was clear they had the car for a very limited time. But by now they should have this info. I agree, the MG build quality on the interior seems good - though perhaps this was an indirect reference to oil leaks and bulging under-trays. The MG drive has won rave reviews in every other review I've seen, so I was surprised by this - though I don't know how it compares to the Born, so perhaps it is slightly less good.
I agree. That's always an indicator for me to see if reviewers looked deep enough into the MG4 to have a strong opinion. Even the wind noise on higher speed is only on some MG4 which need a recalibration of the door window. Then it should be quite as far as I know. The quality of the interior was also really good in the MG4 in my opinion. I didn't think that I sat in a cheap car. I agree that the materials on the lower level are much cheaper than in the cupra born, but that's mostly the case and on the upper level the materials feels really nice in my opinion. In mind t hat the entry price has a difference of 10.000 pounds, that's totally bearable.
@@rikkiola this is the organisation, that made the Volkswagen ID buzz car of the year. Enough said.😂🤣😂
What Car? Have lost a lot of credibility recently. Making the VW ID Buzz, ‘Car of the Year’ Didn’t help the cause. It isn’t even the best in its class. whatever that is. It certainly isn’t a car and in fact launched as a van. It has poor range and is overpriced, for a box on wheels. Guess which company owns the Cupra Born? 😊
Picked up my MG4 on Thursday, have to say it’s a superb drive. Not noticed serious wind noise on the motorways. Maybe I don’t drive fast enough. Happy with my choice, will upgrade to the four-wheel-drive version as soon as it’s available for extra range and 440 hp
I did a 150 mile motorway trip in my MG4 last week and I didn't notice it being noisy.
But surely if you don't drive fast enough, why might you need 440 bhp?
@@Brian-om2hh 440bhp doesn't necessarily have to be used to drive at high speeds. Power is just as much fun when used to accelerate.
In summary, then... "The Cupra Born is the BETTER car all round - but, because everyone likes a bargain, buy the MG4" 🤣
So…the MG4 is the better car!…I think so.
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Price difference between these two cars is enormous ,so not really a fair comparison in some respects.Go MG ,10k buys a lot of juice over the years and a 7 year warranty is peace of mind for a long time !
You say it's "not a fair comparison", but that isn't true. It wouldn't a fair comparaison if this guy didn't mention price at all and just compared the two cars. But he DID mention price, and at the end, his conclusion was that even though the Born is a slightly better vehicle, the MG4 is actually the one he'd call the best small electric car because of the incredible value. So, he was fair in his review.
I chose the MG4 51 kWh because it also has a better (LFP) battery in the smallest version, the lfp battery that you can always charge to 100%, I think is a very big advantage.
Any thoughts on why the EU top version (Trophy in UK) has a heat pump as standard while UK car not even an option?.
I made the exact same decision for the exact same reason. NMC only has around 2,000 cycles, whereas LFP is 5,000 or there abouts. There are even safety, thermal and environmental advantages.
It's a really important consideration and yet I've never seen a single review mention it...
If you had an ICE where one spec had a Wankel engine and another had a standard then they'd devote half the review to the pros and cons but with battery chemistry nobody has a word to say. Almost as if they're too lazy to do basic research like googling "LFP vs MMC".
So glad to see that I am not alone on this. But the engine comparison is exactly how I saw it too cheers
@Did you really post that ? correct, I'm with a number of ev groups on Facebook and I'm amazed at so few people have no interest in the different batteries of the MG4...... Good choice of battery Sir.
Me too, opted for the LFP battery as as far as I’m concerned superior to the NMC types. You can charge to 100% without much battery degradation.
Sorry to disagree I have driven both and the MG4 is by far the more fun to drive
Yeah, as I mentioned above, this is pretty much the only review that slates the driving experience. Guess it's subjective, though this review is by far in the minorty from those I've seen
@@rikkiola Agreed
Disagree as much as you want, still as with all opinions, subjective and personal.
totally agree with you, I have reviewed both to be able fitting a wheelchair and mg has correct shaped boot for if
In what way was it more fun to drive for you? I’m getting my MG4 in a few days, but I’ve selected it mainly because it’s electric, quite powerful and not as expensive as the rest while still offering newest technology. So the driving experience would only be the cherry on top for me
I’ve driven both, the MG4 feels faster and more stable on bends etc. The Cupar Born feels more sluggish and wallowy but feels better quality inside especially the seats. I’m waiting for the MG4 dual motor which will apparently be cheaper than the Born V3 to the tune of 8k and does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds !
Born is super heavy.
I have ordered the 61kw 450km EURO 31500. mg 4 in Ireland. Hope to get it in march. The curpra is 10k more and same range except with creature comforts. Government also reducing the 5k green tax this summer. Get them while you can.
A fact rarely mentioned in reviews is that the Born with the larger battery loses the middle seat in the rear. Not many cars lose passenger carrying capacity with different specifications!
And now, MG is about to launch a new MG4 with the same 77kWh battery as the Born that loses a seat. This one's going to sting.
@@manthe3711 In which market? 77kwh mg4 have 5 seats in majority of market
Hello B - 6075, MG Motor Australia, has recently announced (9th May, 2023) the MG4 Range for Australia, with new model to the market, the "Long Range" model, with RWD Motor 180kW (241 hp) and 350Nm, claimed 0 to 100km/hr under 7 secs (my rough guess is 6.8 sec), with 77kWh battery, Range of up to 530km (WLTP). At AUD $55,990 (excluding on-road costs). Drive-away cost is not known at this stage.
@kwccoin3115 The Australian Spec' MG4 Long Range, up to 530km (WLTP) with 77KWh battery, has 5 seats.
Having tested and driven both, in general I have to agree with your conclusions, like you the craptic buttons on the born are totally useless, but you failed to mention that in the MG4 you can assign the wheel buttons to certain funcions and has voice control which seemed to work when i tried it so this is much better than the born, but i agree overal the born is ever so slightly better but nowhere near 10 grand better maybe if it was say 1500 dearer i might be persuaded but no, so i ordered the spanish MG4 luxury version with the 2 tone interior, this to me lifts it to on par with the born interior in looks.
this to me seems a no brainer, the MG4 wins hands down for 2 things IMO. Firstly the 10k price difference, that's madness and secondly the 7yr warranty. When you consider that not everyone can service EVs and fix anything that can go wrong (they are machines after all) it seems crazy to spend 10k more for 4yr less warranty just for a few bits of build quality or smaller compromises.
Yeah, not to mention, who even notices "cheap materials in the interior" outside of tech UA-camrs whose job it is to review expensive cars 24/7? Most people who'll jump into my MG4 own cheap cars from 2012 and will actually be impressed by the MG4's interior if anything.
@@manthe3711same with the colour of you can’t decide 😅 doesn’t matter once you’re inside does it 🤷♀️
Small electric vehicles? Compact family runners I think.
Pretty large and more than adequate space.
I've got a Born. Think I would have seriously thought on the MG4 with that price when it would have been available.
In my opinion the benchmark is the Renault MeganE not the cupra that is a rebadged VW ID3…
Agreed!
The MG4 is nearly as good as the rivals as you say, then add in £10k cheaper spec dependant and can you honestly say the Born is a £10k worth better car? I probably am a bit biased as I have ordered a Trophy model.
Trophy battery size is similar to the Cupra Born smaller battery size, which is what you should compare to. Then, the price difference is not that big, although still sustancial.
Who says the Born is worth the 10k difference? You did actually watch the vid, right?
Dug huff, I did watch the video, I am allowed my opinion with my interpretation of the video, you comment just reveals that you are a troll
Picked up my MG4 Long Range trophy today. I accept there are a few niggles, but the ride is great...I didn't find to much wind noise.... customisable buttons on the starting wheel can access the AC..... price wins every time though.
I was sold on the MG until I tried the Cupra.
I mean, the seats in the Cupra feels like sitting in a hug.
This is a pointless comparison. The Cupra goes from around £36k - £40k. It would be better to compare it the Megane E-Tech or Niro EV. Just ordered an MG4 SE Standard range and there is absolutely nothing to touch it at the price. Poor review i'm afraid.
Actually Cupra 77kwh V3 with options now over £45k
Cupra Born is a magical car: it can charge 77kwh in 10 hours with 7kw charger! Car journalism at its finest!
It is not mentioned that the fast charging ability on the MG4 is much better than with the Curpra, especially in Winter. MG4 has a pre-conditioning ability. Even in winter, 140 kW is possible up to 50%, 100 kW with 60%. (I live in southern Bavaria.) It can happen that the Cupra only loads with 30 kW. The main issue for me to choose the MG4 was the price and the delivery time. In Germany, governmental grant ("Bafa-Prämie") ends in August 2023 for company cars.
The MG4 SE Normal Range is equipped with LFP batteries that have a much less degradation rate, and can tolerate better 100% charging. I think that this should be another plus for the MG4 standard range.
I like MG4
Me too mate!!!
I'm buying a used ID.3 and I am very happy to have made that choice. I've found a Life 58mWh for under £25k with average miles and considering that we will do probably 8,000 miles a year it will soon be well below average miles.
The ID.3 just felt more comfortable, more composed on the road and more practical for rear seat passengers than the MG.
You pays your money ...
I'm waiting for the 77kWh extended range version of the 4, it should still come in cheaper than the base model Born, and I reckon the 440BHP AWD 4 will still be significantly under that €40K price point.
36k I've heard it'll be
@@m.ahussain4005 Yup, I've heard that figure, too, with the 77kWh version being between the X (the 440bhp) and the current LR.
The X will sell at about the same price as the entry level, RWD, short range Volvo EX30.
I really think that the EX30, even though it's a damned SUV, would be more attractive to me than the Born.
As for the 440 BHP version? I've spent enough time in performance cars to know that, ultimately, they're simply frustrating. So the 77kWh 4, especially with the pale interior trim, is looking like the one for me.
The residual value forecast, and thus monthly payments, will be more important than list price comparisons. Also, many employees are given a monthly allowance so the decision is about which car is best for the monthly payments allowance. Both cars will succeed.
Had a 77kWh V3 Cupra Born on order until the delivery date potentially got moved from March to June. Now, I’ll have an Extended Range MG4 in my driveway on the 1st March so I can have a 24 plate, otherwise delivery was quoted at “a couple of weeks” oh and it’s nearly £8500 cheaper - BONUS!
Driven both on test which lead to taking delivery on the Borne. Much better handling!!
Don't get why you didn't use the Trophy when comparing the driving experience of these cars.
I had so many problems with Born it went after 5 months (6 weeks in dealership!) but my brother has constant issues with mg4. I’ve got BM i4 now and totally different beast: fantastic
For twice the price...
Yes agreed and accepted but I’d prefer a secondhand i4 with 20/25k on clock to a new Cupra any day: and they’re same price. I think there’s a real issue with cheaper EVs.
@@gesp5151 How about a new Tesla Model 3 vs a used BMWi4?
I’m wary of Tesla because of build quality issues that engineers have communicated to me.
@@gesp5151 Even with the facelift?
Cupra is a full £10k!!!! More!!!
Bit unfair, you can assign actions to the star buttons on the MG4
Only on trophy models, not SE
@@andybalfour1654 you can do it also on the SE but it works for less functions (e.g. you can’t assign 360 camera in the SE because there are no cameras)
@@andybalfour1654You can assign climate controls on SE. I have one.
@@andybalfour1654 you need to keep up mate. You can assign functions to the star buttons
@@andybalfour1654wrong
I have the ID.3 and I love the car, but when the lease is up, it is going to be hard to justify getting anything other than the MG4 right now given the price difference.
MG4 is the choice!
Why don't car companies, advertise real world range. They must have accumulated thousands of hours of data, during the development process. They could at least average it out. Wouldn't that be preferable, to what are unrealistic and deceiving figures. Most people buy vehicles, that suit their needs. I am sure, real world range is an important part of the decision-making process. This ambiguity; I am sure, is putting a lot of people off buying a fully electric vehicle. Especially as the real world range, can differ from 30 to 50 less miles from the advertised range. That is completely unacceptable.
This is actually what the WLTP figure is supposed to do, isn't it?
All they have done is replaced fake mpg figures with fake WLTP figures. I have just ordered an MG4 SE standard range for just under £27k. As you say, people should buy to suit their needs.
And how do you think they would advertise "real range"? They must have a standardized way to measure it, and in Europe that is WLTP. Sure the method could be stricter, so you can look at EPA range (method used in the US, which gives a range substantially lower than WLTP) if the car is sold in the US. But VW cannot just invent a method and unilaterally advertise a car as "real range of XXX". Also, while people focus on range shortfall (which is at the greatest in winter on motorway) I can guarantee you that at low speed and ideal temperature you can exceed the WLTP, by a margin. People don't understand how much range varies as a function of speed, it is much more than in combustion engine cars, that is not an insignificant detail. If you search the website ev-database you will find estimates of "real range". A headline number, plus city, mixed driving and motorway in both summer and winter.
@@lozkko I would rather they underestimated the range in that case. You see on UA-cam, how many people have been caught out on a really cold day and left stranded, because the battery has died a lot sooner than they had anticipated. Like I said in my original post, there is plenty of data for all shapes and sizes of vehicles and batteries. To my type of thinking, deliberately inflating the range of a vehicle, it’s tantamount to fraud. And almost as bad as diesel gate. And we all know what happened to Volkswagen and other car manufacturers, because of that. They just have to keep it honest.
@@Steve-Cross they are not deliberately overstating the range. The WLTP specifies how the test must be conducted. How much driving is done at what speed and what the temperature is. The manufacturers cannot change the WLTP test. Do note that before the WLTP test there was the NEDC test, which was completely unrealistic (definitely overstated, even driving at very low speeds you couldn't achieve the range). Even if you think the test should be more stringent, you need to specify what test conditions you want. For instance, in the UK not very important to drive at say 85mph, as that is illegal, in Germany it would be. Likewise, temperature is more important in some countries than others. At the end of the day, what matters is being able to compare range of say a Renault vs one of a VW and a Kia. To do that you need a standardised test. As I say, you can look at EPA if available, and EV-database provides very good estimates based on different driving conditions.
10-80% of 77kwh battery is 70%. 70% of 77kwh is 53.9kwh. 51 minutes to charge 53.9kwh with 50kw. Hmm, what am I missing? Should those charging speeds not be the other way round?
the MG4 you have many sortcuts to set all you need when you know it, also alot of bug fixed
How about Born vs Megane E-Tech ?
I think your conclusion is wrong. You’ve already said the Born is better in every area (apart price).
the real value becomes clear in how they hold up after a few years of usage
Surely youve mixed up the charging speeds?
VW seem to be withdrawing Heat Pumps from their range!
It’s hard to ignore £10,000! That alone makes the decision for me…
I'm not sure if but either of these, I have a Kia e-Niro 4+ on lease and when it goes back, I'll probably buy a slightly used one for around £32k in 4+ trim. It's a far better day than either of these and the infotainment system just works! Normal dials for climate control too. Enough said methinks.
What about the residual value of the MG4, slightly used?. Everything is relative.
@@HIOP0 66% residual value on. the mg
@@nigelparry4911 AGE, MILEAGE & SOURCE?.
@@HIOP0 look on CAP
@@nigelparry4911 ANYONE CAN TYPE THAT, CLEARLY SHOWS THAT YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL FACTS, JUST A REDIRECT TO A SOURCE YOU YOURSELF HAVE NO ACCESS TO.
I like the design of both brands but i dont like vag group brands cupra is orignal a Seat👎
Not sure why you were comparing cheap vs cheap and expensive vs expensive versions.
The MG4 with larger battery is very close to the Cupra Born smaller battery, 61 to 58. So, in that regard, the price difference is not as big.
If MG can improve build quality and reliability it may be a respected brand outside the UK. Chinese manufacturing quality could actually be a redemption for the disgraceful quality of the past.
EVs today can be made anywhere as they are far simpler with much fewer moving parts. The differentiation will be the batteries, charging tech, quality and reliability as always.
Interesting video. I like the idea of electric traction but can't justify the expense. I will have to stick with my ageing ICE until there's a sub 4M car available at a sensible price with a good range. I get 300+ miles for £45 of petrol without a problem. Not "green" but not wasting resources on a new car.
Wow, that sounds costly! As an EV owner for 2+ years now, those 300 miles would cost me about £12, charging at home....
2nd generation of both of this cars will be more important and exiting. Maybe VW will acknowledge some things by then, or not. The Chinese will, that’s for sure. Megane E have many of this issues smartly resolved, they just screwed on a range and price. Oooops for 2023.
Cupra born looks way more better than the MG.
But if looks aren't high on your list of needs or requirements, that matters much less. Value for money and practicality often rate higher than looks for many....
@@Brian-om2hh that's true. luckily everyone have their own opinions. Perhaps its getting used of the looks as well. I always thought the ID3 was hidious, nowadays I think it looks kinda cool.
The best car is the car you can actually afford.
I've no doubt the Born is slightly better than the MG4, but Doug really does seem to not like it as much as any other reviewer on the internet.
Hey.... haters gonna hate i'm afraid.
he never gives a full. marks on any cars he has reviewed, I prefer other reviewers I'm. afraid
Also the Born cannot pull a trailer or take anything on the roof, while the MG4 can pull a 500 kg trailer and take 60 kilos on the roof.
I find it funny when difference between interiors is made by soft touch plastics. I wouldn't pay a dime for those. I don't have a habit of touching my car so the difference is pointless.
I thought the MG4 is a family car? Not a giant 7 seater but a car which is suited for a family. A small car is a different segment
At the end of the day its just this persons judgement ,just get a test drive on both and make your own mind up
very simple if I had lots of money I go for the Cupra with the big battery and if not then go with the mg4
0:38 The CUPRA born is obviously manufactured by Cupra.
Every MG review this guy is down on it.
Even regardless of price the mg4 is still the better car
Really a no brainer the price, the 7 year warranty and the spec of MG cars will soon have this brand a mainstream brand just look at Datsun cheap as chips to start now you need to sell a kidney:)
Charging speed really don’t make sense, how can the smaller battery that charges faster be slower than the bigger battery that charges slower. Highly unprofessional review….
Look at the video work in the rear seating..... The Born has way more leg room + feet can go under the seat in front. The MG4 is way tighter + no way to put feet under the seat.
I tried the MG4 months ago and thought the rear was dreadfully tight. Overall the MG4 shows its price! Cheap!! The MG5 is actually way better... More space, more comfort, good quality and in the middle of the two cars here on price!
What about reliability? I know a Telegram group of MG4 owners that are reporting lots of unforgivable failures even few days after the delivery of the car, such as oil leaks.
What’s with the infantile turnups 🙄
more sales pitch....
More than a year to wait for the Cupra. They really don’t want to sell electric cars.
MG4 Xpower vs Cupra born is nearl same price. and that MG4 will kill the cupra
Noise on MG forums about an oil leak/design flaw and poor and confusing response from MG and different dealers about it. Puts me off tbh
that's already resolved. Was slightly overfilled oil, now rectified. no new MG4s should have this
@@rikkiola I don’t own an MG4 so I defer to your knowledge BUT that is not what lots of owners (and apparently assorted dealers) on that forum are saying. 🤷♂️
Hasn’t put me off. You just need to find a dealer you can trust with any problems that crop up if any. There are MG4 owners on the forums who’ve not had any issues.
Not a problem. Just an overfill of the reduction gearbox. Dealers are recalling where required to remedy and MG have adjusted in production. I have already been told that my car will have been corrected in production before I take delivery in May this year.
oh been fed up with these old remarks. about. the very first mg models having these problems
The new more powerful X power MG4 will be 36k.....
The Born is not 40% better than the MG4, yet is 40% more expensive. MG4 has better warranty. However both are too expensive, too short range, too long to refill. Buy a diesel.
Which one will leak oil, have bulging under trays, have umpteen software glitches, potentially lock its owners inside and be the most unreliable car you’ve ever owned?
Seriously, the MG is nowhere near ready for general sale, if I had my time again I wouldn’t even look at one.
Seriously?. All you have done is read the alarmist forums, rather than check the actual facts of these matters.
Well buy the Cupra then!
I’ve had my MG4 since October and no issues at all
@@Justin-wu4yw I’m picking my MG4 X up on Friday,I’m hoping the problems have been sorted but at the end of the day we have a 7 year warranty so I’m not too fussed.
The MG4 is pathetic. It's the knockoff Cupra Born for those who couldn't afford the actual thing.
😅
Well is a bloody good knock off! Especially with the 7 year warranty, it’s as good as if not arguably better…I think people will buy it over the Cupra.
Cheap? none of these cars are cheap. Until the price is in parity with current ICE cars, there will be few EV sales!!
I recently test drive both, and in my opinion, the Cupra is quieter, higher quality and personally felt safer
Much more expensive.
I've ordered my MG4. I remember my first Ford Escort. Rubber flooring, painted dash and doors, wind-down windows, windscreen wiper wash pump on the floor and bubbling holes in the wings. The only soft material to be found in it was me. It did not stop me from buying Ford Escort / Focus since. Looking forward to driving my aFORDable MG4 into the sunset
aFORDable 😂
Incorrect conclusion, the MG is the best VALUE FOR MONEY small EV available, not the best small EV
Especially with the 7 year warranty !
The price doesn't even make these comparable expecially with the 7 year warranty. MG all the way.
This reviewer must have had an MG dud... The Trophy i own is quiet, smooth, comfortable, responsive, and the battery is 64kwh not 61kwh. And the Stereo sounds awesome in the Trophy.
Agree with you mate…I was impressed with the MG4 I’ve ordered one.
Completely agree. I'm really impressed with the stereo especially when activating the 3D sound and virtual subwoofer.
I’m happy to pay extra for German made and build quality with Spanish design and suspension tuning thanks.
The price makes the difference
Yes...
£10K cheaper & 7 year warranty... for many pockets, MG is going to do well for sales....
It's rather sad that car journalists consider cars like these to be small.
Agree…but then compare the original Mini with a modern Mini, or original Civic with a modern one. We’ve become used to ‘small’ cars getting bigger and bigger.
Sad?...Fact of life (tape measure)
Well they are compared with a road hogging Range Rover!
Based on the review the Born is the "best small electric car" and the MG4 is inferior in almost every way except price where it's hugely ahead. So the Born is the best, if you have the money.
METRIC please…. Come on… the rest of the world lives in 2023
Doesn't know what he's talking about this guy
Yeah, didn't really feel this review at all, not sure why.
10,000 pounds difference in base models says it all.
When are any European manufacturers going to match a price like the MG. Cannot see anything coming soon.
MG owned and made in China. Cupra owned and made in Spain under the VW group and based off the VW id3
You can’t start a review saying they’ve taken the id3 and fixed all the issues such as the infotainment system, and then proceed to pick holes in its infotainment system! 😂
So what your saying is you get what you pay for!
As in most things in life and completely logical.
The Cupra has a 3 year warranty vs MG’s 7 year warranty. I think in this case you’re paying less for higher quality 👀
SE sucks.. but no navi, no heatpump, and an EV without heatpump is just stupied.
The Renault Megane E-TEC is way better than both of these.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And way more expensive. Way way more expensive.
@@mikewilliams3384 Cupra Born v3 £40,151, Renault Megane E-TEC £40,995
And £10k more expensive
I agree but not at this price point. If you was going to spend £40k on an EV, you wouldn't be looking at the MG4 in the first place. It's a pointless comparison.
I like your Star Trek jumper :)
This is why I'm looking at a born V2 lol
Those charging figures and WLTP, one time it says 135kw charging for trophy then WLTP of 218 miles. I might be wrong but all figures should be as per cars on the video. So comparing charging times it should say 117kw for SR with 218miles of range. Some people will be watching this video maybe even making decisions of buying it, when its all wrong, as informations given are randomly picked out of different versions of mg4.
yes it was a poor review compared to others on you tube
It is not communicated that the MG4 charging ability is much better than Born/ID.3. MG4 holds 140 kW up to 50% and even offers this performance in Winter. Born/ID.3 does not. The new MG platform is 2 years newer than the ID MEB platform.
@@martinv.352 Wrong section to reply to. But yes technically charging figures should look better on mg with battery heating, that ID's don't have. 140 is probably for trophy with lithium ion batteries, so SE SR can not be compared really, different technology, but should possibly charge faster anyway.
MG 4
The Cupra Born was not even in the price range we were looking at. The MG drives nicely. It makes it possible for us to get into an electric vehicle. The Cupra Born price would not help us leave the internal combustion engine behind. We have removed gas from the house and wanted to complete the process of reducing our carbon footprint as much as possible. For us the cars to compare in our price range ate the BYD Dolphin, the MG4 Essence 64, and the GWM Ora. Which would you pick?
For an intensive and limit pushed use, in business or other professional area, a cupra born. For a casual or even a family relating use, and if the resources are limited, might accept an mg4.
With the software 3.0 in the born you are getting 170kW charging speed and 30 minutes charging time from 10 - 80%
You missed the fact that you can adjust heating and climate from the star buttons on the steering wheel also the driving mode.
I wouldn't buy a car with a top speed of 100MPH. This is not my idea of "evolution" at all!
Feels like everything possible was made to try and make the pricier
Born a winner. Biased review.
So, the Born is best and the MG is the cheapest, I'm sure that was his conclusion.
Born, got bored, died. Ditto t'other. You only live twice, 007.