I love your videos! VERY INFORMATIVE! Question: Have you done videos on the AME Church, CME or AME Zion Churches, The Catholic Church or the other Baptist Churches (National Baptist Convention, Progressive National Baptist Convention, Full Gospel Baptist Churches)?
I don't have many videos on the Historically Black churches as it's actually quite difficult to get as much information about them as many of the other denominations I study. However, I do have a video on the founding of the Progressive National Baptist Convention: ua-cam.com/video/WHCQ93fZpcg/v-deo.html Here's a playlist of videos on Baptist denominations: ua-cam.com/play/PLvi2eTRD7KTgy14kqKxeXGSu4D4jaM1Vz.html
Would you please do a video explaining the Missionary Baptists? My in laws are part of that. I know there is a very big difference between white Missionary Baptist Churches and black ones. The white ones are part of the American Baptist Association which seems to be completely different from the ABCUSA. This is all very confusing. I'd also like to see something about the UPCI which my brother in law is a pastor for. We went to his church for about a year, but it wasn't for me. I attend an SBC church now because I can't find a Calvary Chapel nearby.
The American Baptist Association broke away from the Southern Baptist Convention due to the latter's unwillingness to affirm landmarkism, a dubious claim that Baptists exist in an unbroken chain that existed alongside (but remained distinct from) the Catholic/Orthodox episcopacy from the very beginning. In other words, they insist that they are the one true branch of Christianity, and they perform some rather impressive historical gymnastics to associate themselves with various schismatic groups throughout the last 2,000 years. The other major difference is that they emphasize local church autonomy even more than the SBC does. This affects how they handle missionary work, how much authority they grant to the association itself, and how they conduct communion (local members only). They're fairly similar to Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, and they often (but not always) share the IFB's strange infatuation with the King James Version of the Bible. As to why the ABA isn't a "black Baptist" denomination, that's pretty simple: the founder of the association, Ben M. Bogard, was a Klansman.
Can you please explain the differences between anti-KJV Onlyism IFB colleges such as BJU,Maranatha etc from pro-KJV Onlyism IFB colleges Pensacola Bible Institute
Interestingly, the relationship between American and SBC denominations can be quite different internationally. I serve in Thailand, and American and SBC (Thai Baptists) often work closely together. However, American Baptists in Thailand are generally much more conservative than in the US, and SBC, Thai Baptists are less conservative than their US counterparts (e.g. both are usually egalitarian theologically but both would generally affirm inerrancy). There's no chance of a merger here either though. They still are too different in church polity.
My question is not whether the American Baptist churches U.S.A. includes people who favor women clergy or few if any behavior standards for voting membership. (I think those questions were adequately answered in the video.) Rather, my question is whether such things a ordination of women / evolutionary origin of the species are promoted among American Baptist churches U.S.A. and not whether members of such congregations perceive their umbrella organization as promoting those kinds of things but how that organization (and its member congregations) are perceived by their neighbors. If you are not a member but have a relative or neighbor who is, what is your perception?
I grew up in a Missionary Baptist Church in rural Missouri. It was independent of large association but did have their own small association. They are highly conservative (KJV only, River only baptism, women wear dresses at church) and I would compare them to IFB though they are separatists from anyone outside of their county for the most part. I left a few years ago and now attend a non-denominational Christian Church. I wish I had a way to show my family how real my church is but they won’t even try to begin to look or listen.
@@lisagrant1591 There is no such thing as a nondenominational church not with standing the name.As soon as they reveal their view on baptism ( believers only, immersion, sprinkling, essential for salvation or evidence only of conversion), communion (transubstantiation, consubstantiation or symbolism), by his stripes we are healed( spiritual or spiritual and physical) you can identify them as Baptist, Church of Christ, Pentecostal, Catholic or Uniting etc each with the word independent in front of it.
The IFB disliked Graham for many reasons but I will relate the most important of the reasons as follows: Billy Graham in 1936 enrolled in Bob Jones College (as it as called then) BUT stayed only for one semester. He left because he was not comfortable with the extreme fundamental position (with all that it implies) of the college. Graham transferred to Florida Bible Institute and graduated in 1940 upon which he was ordained a minister by the Southern Baptist Convention. Bob Jones University became a bitter enemy of Graham as he became a national figure on the evangelical scene. They called him a liberal and a turncoat because he had rejected their narrow view of the Christian religion. In other words, it was a "religious" case of sour grapes......Graham proved to be a man known all over the world as a mighty preacher of the gospel and this one fact made him despised in their eyes......since he was not among their "fundamental" clan.
Hyles "said" all the right things while preaching (as far as IFB theology goes). In practice he demanded complete loyalty and ignored obvious signs of problems within his own family. His son left his family for another woman, one daughter married the man who would succeed him only to have that man take a minor across state lines and end up in prison, and another daughter is now on the Ted Talk circuit having completely abandoned Christianity.
Afraid of losing members. In 1995 literally said, "We apologize to all African Americans for condoning and/or perpetuating individual and systemic racism in our lifetime, and we genuinely repent of racism of which we have been guilty, whether consciously or unconsciously." Ask them today and they'll say systemic racism is a hoax perpetuated by the woke mob.
The slavery of ancient Rome was fundamentally different from the slavery of the transatlantic trade. Moreover, Paul tells Philemon to accept his slave back, no longer as a slave but as a brother in Christ. In a system where slavery exists, the greater bonds of Christianty overcome any false division on class, for in Christ there is neither slave nor free. But that certainly doesn't mean Christians should be SUPPORTING slavery. Christians shouldn't be taking any part in politics, let Ceaser do as Ceaser wills, but followers of Christ should look only to his kingdom.
Shame on you! Primitive Baptists (who maintain the original American Baptist doctrines and practices--despite what Southern and American Baptists say, the earliest documents prove the Calvinistic Primitives to be the historical Baptist teachings prior to the two missionary groups forsaking their heritage) was totally omitted by you. By 1900, this groups congregations and associations stretched from Maine to California.
Not all American Baptists were Calvinist. You had General Baptists (non-Calvinist) and Particular (or Primitive). And yes, the SBC started out as Calvinist, but after the Civil War generally (and thankfully) abandoned the apostasy of Calvin (who nowhere in his Institutes gives any reference to a salvation experience but claimed his right standing with God was based on his infant baptism).
@@reedermh I hate to break it to you but the Primitive and Particular Baptists are EXTREMELY STRONG, RIGID CALVINISTS and until the third or fourth decades of the 1800s, they were in the majority.
@@josephr.gainey2079 I didn't say they weren't strong. I said that not all American Baptists held to Calvinist teaching. And again, thank God the SBC moved away from that heresy (notwithstanding attempts to reimpose it upon an unwilling membership).
Hahaha Primitive Baptists cannot trace their roots to the non-Catholic, non-Protestant Christians before the Reformation. They literally came from Calvinists infiltrating and taking over established non-Calvinist Baptist congregations. I know most Primitive Baptists will deny being Calvinists but actions speak louder than words and they are essentially 2-3 point Calvinists. So while they might night be nearly as idolatrous as 5-7 point Calvinists, the bad leaven they do believe in severely hinders the work and fruit of the Holy Spirit in their lives if they are even saved at all.
I must say, as a Southern Baptist anyway, you give one of the most fair commentaries I have ever seen. It is very good.
Thank you for putting together these videos!
I love your videos! VERY INFORMATIVE!
Question:
Have you done videos on the AME Church, CME or AME Zion Churches, The Catholic Church or the other Baptist Churches (National Baptist Convention, Progressive National Baptist Convention, Full Gospel Baptist Churches)?
I don't have many videos on the Historically Black churches as it's actually quite difficult to get as much information about them as many of the other denominations I study. However, I do have a video on the founding of the Progressive National Baptist Convention: ua-cam.com/video/WHCQ93fZpcg/v-deo.html
Here's a playlist of videos on Baptist denominations: ua-cam.com/play/PLvi2eTRD7KTgy14kqKxeXGSu4D4jaM1Vz.html
Have you ever thought about doing the IFB and NIFB comparison
Would you please do a video explaining the Missionary Baptists? My in laws are part of that. I know there is a very big difference between white Missionary Baptist Churches and black ones. The white ones are part of the American Baptist Association which seems to be completely different from the ABCUSA. This is all very confusing. I'd also like to see something about the UPCI which my brother in law is a pastor for. We went to his church for about a year, but it wasn't for me. I attend an SBC church now because I can't find a Calvary Chapel nearby.
The American Baptist Association broke away from the Southern Baptist Convention due to the latter's unwillingness to affirm landmarkism, a dubious claim that Baptists exist in an unbroken chain that existed alongside (but remained distinct from) the Catholic/Orthodox episcopacy from the very beginning. In other words, they insist that they are the one true branch of Christianity, and they perform some rather impressive historical gymnastics to associate themselves with various schismatic groups throughout the last 2,000 years.
The other major difference is that they emphasize local church autonomy even more than the SBC does. This affects how they handle missionary work, how much authority they grant to the association itself, and how they conduct communion (local members only). They're fairly similar to Independent Fundamentalist Baptists, and they often (but not always) share the IFB's strange infatuation with the King James Version of the Bible.
As to why the ABA isn't a "black Baptist" denomination, that's pretty simple: the founder of the association, Ben M. Bogard, was a Klansman.
Look up Primitive (Original) Baptists of America, called Strict or Particular Baptist in the UK.
Can you please explain the differences between anti-KJV Onlyism IFB colleges such as BJU,Maranatha etc from pro-KJV Onlyism IFB colleges Pensacola Bible Institute
You answered your own question, that being whether a group exclusively uses KJV or not.
Look up Primitive (Original) Baptists of America, called Strict or Particular Baptist in the UK.
I've been in both ABA AND SBC and settled in the ABA Landmark Baptist Bride believer
Southern Baptist Convention shouldn’t have apologized.
What’s done is done.
SBC headed in that direction
WOW! It’s hard enough finding the right Doctrine. But once you do now you have to find witch Baptist Church to fallow...
Avoiding the klanish one is a good start.
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Interestingly, the relationship between American and SBC denominations can be quite different internationally. I serve in Thailand, and American and SBC (Thai Baptists) often work closely together. However, American Baptists in Thailand are generally much more conservative than in the US, and SBC, Thai Baptists are less conservative than their US counterparts (e.g. both are usually egalitarian theologically but both would generally affirm inerrancy). There's no chance of a merger here either though. They still are too different in church polity.
My question is not whether the American Baptist churches U.S.A. includes people who favor women clergy or few if any behavior standards for voting membership. (I think those questions were adequately answered in the video.) Rather, my question is whether such things a ordination of women / evolutionary origin of the species are promoted among American Baptist churches U.S.A. and not whether members of such congregations perceive their umbrella organization as promoting those kinds of things but how that organization (and its member congregations) are perceived by their neighbors.
If you are not a member but have a relative or neighbor who is, what is your perception?
Do IFB vs non denominational Christians
I grew up in a Missionary Baptist Church in rural Missouri. It was independent of large association but did have their own small association. They are highly conservative (KJV only, River only baptism, women wear dresses at church) and I would compare them to IFB though they are separatists from anyone outside of their county for the most part. I left a few years ago and now attend a non-denominational Christian Church. I wish I had a way to show my family how real my church is but they won’t even try to begin to look or listen.
@@lisagrant1591 There is no such thing as a nondenominational church not with standing the name.As soon as they reveal their view on baptism ( believers only, immersion, sprinkling, essential for salvation or evidence only of conversion), communion (transubstantiation, consubstantiation or symbolism), by his stripes we are healed( spiritual or spiritual and physical) you can identify them as Baptist, Church of Christ, Pentecostal, Catholic or Uniting etc each with the word independent in front of it.
Can you please explain why IFB admired the late Rev Dr Jack Hyles & against the late Dr Billy Graham
The IFB disliked Graham for many reasons but I will relate the most important of the reasons as follows: Billy Graham in 1936 enrolled in Bob Jones College (as it as called then) BUT stayed only for one semester. He left because he was not comfortable with the extreme fundamental position (with all that it implies) of the college. Graham transferred to Florida Bible Institute and graduated in 1940 upon which he was ordained a minister by the Southern Baptist Convention. Bob Jones University became a bitter enemy of Graham as he became a national figure on the evangelical scene. They called him a liberal and a turncoat because he had rejected their narrow view of the Christian religion. In other words, it was a "religious" case of sour grapes......Graham proved to be a man known all over the world as a mighty preacher of the gospel and this one fact made him despised in their eyes......since he was not among their "fundamental" clan.
Hyles "said" all the right things while preaching (as far as IFB theology goes). In practice he demanded complete loyalty and ignored obvious signs of problems within his own family. His son left his family for another woman, one daughter married the man who would succeed him only to have that man take a minor across state lines and end up in prison, and another daughter is now on the Ted Talk circuit having completely abandoned Christianity.
I think american babtists and cbf will merge preatty soon though
How many sects of Baptist are there?
More than you'd think. The Evangelical Protestants owe a lot to the Baptists for their man made traditions.
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More so than the catholics?
So they waited 130 years after the Civil War to apologize for their support of slavery? Why did they think it mattered by then?
Its never too late.
Afraid of losing members.
In 1995 literally said, "We apologize to all African Americans for condoning and/or perpetuating individual and systemic racism in our lifetime, and we genuinely repent of racism of which we have been guilty, whether consciously or unconsciously." Ask them today and they'll say systemic racism is a hoax perpetuated by the woke mob.
It didn’t. And doesn’t. Just grifters trying to bring down God’s Church.
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SBC acccepts the use of aborted baby parts in medical injections?
Or they were conservative (SBC) until lately...
Apostasy! Apostasy every where!
St Philemon in the Bible owned slaves and St Paul told slaves to obey their masters, even the froward ones.
How many slaves did Jesus have?
The slavery of ancient Rome was fundamentally different from the slavery of the transatlantic trade. Moreover, Paul tells Philemon to accept his slave back, no longer as a slave but as a brother in Christ. In a system where slavery exists, the greater bonds of Christianty overcome any false division on class, for in Christ there is neither slave nor free. But that certainly doesn't mean Christians should be SUPPORTING slavery. Christians shouldn't be taking any part in politics, let Ceaser do as Ceaser wills, but followers of Christ should look only to his kingdom.
Shame on you! Primitive Baptists (who maintain the original American Baptist doctrines and practices--despite what Southern and American Baptists say, the earliest documents prove the Calvinistic Primitives to be the historical Baptist teachings prior to the two missionary groups forsaking their heritage) was totally omitted by you. By 1900, this groups congregations and associations stretched from Maine to California.
Not all American Baptists were Calvinist. You had General Baptists (non-Calvinist) and Particular (or Primitive). And yes, the SBC started out as Calvinist, but after the Civil War generally (and thankfully) abandoned the apostasy of Calvin (who nowhere in his Institutes gives any reference to a salvation experience but claimed his right standing with God was based on his infant baptism).
@@reedermh I hate to break it to you but the Primitive and Particular Baptists are EXTREMELY STRONG, RIGID CALVINISTS and until the third or fourth decades of the 1800s, they were in the majority.
@@josephr.gainey2079 I didn't say they weren't strong. I said that not all American Baptists held to Calvinist teaching. And again, thank God the SBC moved away from that heresy (notwithstanding attempts to reimpose it upon an unwilling membership).
There are no primitive Baptists in UK.
Hahaha Primitive Baptists cannot trace their roots to the non-Catholic, non-Protestant Christians before the Reformation. They literally came from Calvinists infiltrating and taking over established non-Calvinist Baptist congregations. I know most Primitive Baptists will deny being Calvinists but actions speak louder than words and they are essentially 2-3 point Calvinists. So while they might night be nearly as idolatrous as 5-7 point Calvinists, the bad leaven they do believe in severely hinders the work and fruit of the Holy Spirit in their lives if they are even saved at all.
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Or they were conservative (SBC) until lately...