Some clarification for the part where I said "...I always felt Star Wars was pretty agnostic when it came to social issues". I was not saying Star Wars never used world issues or events as inspiration for its story telling, (Nazis, Vietnam, etc), but illustrating there is a difference between using events of the past to inspire your storytelling art, and using your storytelling art to inspire change in your present day. It seems in the past, if you wanted to see Star Wars as simply the fun space adventure, you could. If you wanted to see allegory you could, but I always felt the delivery was crafted through a looking glass of the past, not a magnifying glass of the present. Granted the execution and reception of current Star Wars politics and past Star Wars politics might have more to do with social media, but that's another conversation. I wish I had gone into more detail about this in particular, and "agnostic" isn't the word I should have used in hindsight, but you can't edit a video post upload, but thank goodness for the ability to pin a comment.
Very well said. So far I think Rogue One has done the best job with retaining the fun spirit of Star Wars, while having serious themes. It didn't revel in on-the-nose twitter fueled snark or subverting fan expectations in a reactionary way. TLJ was flagrant in that regard. Was it surprising? Sure. But the shock of surprise wears off fast. Nearly every choice made for the sake of unpredictability and "killing the past" resulted in a story that is no longer interesting or intriguing. No one I know cares about how the trilogy will end any more... and that can't be good for business.
I'm crying from laughter! "But we took risks." "F*cking your friend's wife is a risk too, but it doesn't make it a good one!" Lmao that was epic I agree with 100% on everything you said.
I think it safe to say that Disney is mishandling Star Wars, not just in the cinematic department, but in other things as well! Like - What are the 2 things that Disney made with SW video games after acquiring the franchise? 1) Shutting down Lucas Arts. 2) Giving the license for future SW games to EA - One of the most corrupt and hated companies in the gaming industry!
There is a group of elite people hell bent on destroying the USA, and every memory of her. The Disney corp is just doing what their bosses want, which is to destroy one of the biggest American made franchises, and that is Star Wars and Lucas Films. Their next step is to destroy American made Marvel comics. And, Disney is throwing everything they can to destroy Time Warner in hopes to get DC and destroy those American properties as well.
I never thought I'd see the day where I don't see a Star Wars movie on the opening night. I still haven't seen Solo and have no excitement for the next episode.
I really do feel bad for Jake Lloyd. Dude didn't deserve the hate. Folks were so blinded by their hate that they didn't realize that they were spouting profanity at a little kid.
NotDarth Maul The DC fanbase is a close second too. Whether or not you like the films, we can at least agree that the hate Snyder and even Ayer has gotten is unreal and unwarranted. I’ve seen people say that they hope those don’t get another job in Hollywood. It’s like how folks still hate Schumacher for making Batman & Robin.
They are close too but at least that fanbase is mostly unified after JL in their dislike for that film. Episode IX will be a tipping point for either side of the Star Wars fanbase.
I could have excused Leia pulling a Mary Poppins through space. I could have excused that painfully long side-quest of Finn and Rose through the big mean capitalist utopia. I could have excused Rey being stupidly powerful for no discernible reason. I could even have excused that travesty that was Admiral Gender-Studies *extremely unprofessional* attitude towards Poe, and the contrived plot of her not telling him the plan when all their lives *hinge on her plan* But what I will *never* forgive. What I *refuse* to accept, is turning Luke Skywalker, the HOPE of the rebellion, the ETERNAL OPTIMIST, the BELIEVER IN REDEMPTION, that he just *pussies* out of the galaxy, and lets it go to shit after trying to *murder his nephew because he was having a bad dream* The man who said this: "I cannot kill my own father. There is good in him." Also was like this: "THE BOY IS HAVING BAD THOUGHTS, BETTER KILL HIM."
Akiraspin luke skywalker became a broken man. Somehow thats a nutty concept. Moral ambiguity exists, luke skywalker is not the pinnacle of absolute moral superiority.
Hi! We're promoting you because your boss got seriously messed up, and really all of us could if you screw it up! Oh also, this is Po, he just lost our entire bomber fleet and was demoted by the last boss... he also wants to know everything we are up to right now. "... well I'm not telling him shit, I'm gonna go focus on my plan without the demoted-fleet-loosing-guy." is what I would probably say as a dude too...
Akiraspin It was a instant reaction to seeing the dark side in Ben but when he realized what he was doing was wrong the damage had been done it was to late. I also think it’s explores a vulnerable side of Luke a human side.
the88mph A bunch of shitty bombers, that were not so cleverly disguised as a reference to B-17s bombers, for a modern "fleet destroyer" which would have blown them out of the sky before the slow moving bombers could return to the ship and, in hindsight, saved their asses since the First Order tracked them.
Jonathan Green I'm curious as to why you care about what he does. We live in a world where people have computers in their pockets all day long. Is it really that hard to pop on UA-cam when you get a notification and make a comment? Waste of a comment.
Just speaking for myself, it started back in The Force Awakens, when Leia bypasses Chewbacca and goes to hug Rey upon their return. Just going to say it, that hurt to see. But, I thought, whatever. Fast forward to TLJ, the incredible buildup of Rey holding out Luke's lightsaber and he..what. Throws it over his shoulder?? Right there I *knew* Star Wars had gone in a new direction, one that I was not interested in traveling. No hate towards anyone but Lucasfilm does not get any more of my money. Like what you like - and I will do the same.
MrMike11233 for me it was when they killed off Han Solo in the most stupidest way possible, not in a epic sacrifice way but instead getting killed by his Annoying son ugh...
For me it was when I kept predicting what was going to happen scene after scene after scene in TFA, it was surreal, I couldn't believe what I was watching. I knew then that this Lucasfilm is creatively bankrupt, the following movies only reinforced that fact...
Waited two whole years for an epic moment of him to toss it. That was a "WTF???" moment if I hadn't heard that it had happened. I was accusing folks of making the movie up. Seriously. Disney SW is an alternate timeline. EU and the OT is the real SW.
Same. I loved Clone Wars, but wasn't interested too much on THE Clone Wars, or Rebels. I got too watch all clone Wars episodes before Ep III was released.
The prequels were bad but I will give it this, it allowed the expanded universe to be birthed. The Old Republic Era came into existence because of the prequels which it has my respect.
*DISNEY FAN:* No! You must keep Kathleen Kennedy!*MACE:* She's de-canonized the Expanded Universe and silenced the fans! *SHE'S TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT IN CHARGE OF LUCASFILM!*
Han Solo, after the original films, lived a life of failure. Failed as a father, husband and eventually as a smuggler. Killed by his son that he loved. A sad death. Luke, failed as a teacher, Jedi, uncle, and brother. Indirectly responsible or the death of billions. Succeeded only in the end saving maybe 20 people? Leía failed as a politician, general, and mother. And any success she has in the next film will be off screen. And a failed promise as a character with the force. The characters that we the fans loved all failed. And have symbolic at best success in the films. I don’t understand how they could do this and not alienate some fans. Doesn’t mean there is any right disrespectful to the folks who make these movies. But I believe that is a root of all the anger. The sadness that we feel to how these characters were treated has hardened to anger. I’m just bummed. Wish I like this direction, but I don’t. Wish the folks at Lucas well. But this universe is not for me anymore.
Roberto Robert Maybe if people at Lucasfilm didn't turn around and insult those disappointed by TLJ Refraining from being insulting to you customers might have helped
Oh yeah it is truly depressing how they treated these legendary fantasy heroes that had a bit of tarnish but we’re still brightly gold. Now they’re all dead and as you said remembered as failures. I don’t need to see these movies anymore.
Roberto Robert didnt you guys watch the end of the last jedi? Did you only care about the characters feats or as you said their optimistic personality? Fucking grow up..you are all babies..a super vocal minority of trolls and man babies..all the complaints are bullshit
Disney has made life-long SW fans like me actually hate the new movies. I don´t even acknowledge them as canon in my mind. TLJ was the biggest punch on the face to a fanbase ever. I´m so glad that Solo is flopping, hope Kathleen is sacked off in the near future.
Even bigger punch in the face than Mass Effect 3's ending or Andromeda? (joke aside, I am genuinely curious; I haven't seen TLJ yet due to budget reasons)
If they're stupid they'll stay in their little echo chamber and wonder why the biggest film franchise of all time is failing, and never know why because they just think they're right
Vincent Novotny how about losing hundreds of millions in profit? Because that just happened. And it degraded the Star Wars brand name just like TLJ did.
Disney and Lucasfilm are still getting a mixture of reactions. A lot of people seem to think the solution is an "origin story" about whatever character, but they're just setting themselves up for more disappointment. Oversaturating with separate storylines isn't the way. The saga trilogy was already mucked up anyway because of Carrie Fisher's real death and whacking the character of Han Solo in "The Force Awakens." Reminds me of Kathleen Kennedy's own words back when a fourth Jurassic Park movie was put on hold after Michael Crichton died, saying his death took the wind out of their sails and they weren't into it anymore (for a while, anyway).
@@alfa01spotivo Why? Why was that a terrible response? It's a pretty good question. If you're gonna criticize something then at least have some knowledge of said something. Otherwise you're just blowing dust out of your ass.
@@mahchestro9144 This is like stating because I'm a professional illustrator no one who has at least a talent in drawn art should question my quality or have a right to value it. Better remember to tell that to all my clients who make very clear demands for me. . . That is not how the world works. If I eat food, despite not exactly being a chef, am I not allowed to point out something is under-cooked, mouldy, or even the wrong order entirely? The only way to improve is to take and evaluate criticism. It's a form of evolution. By all means take majority with a grain, but that doesn't mean people should shut up and accept The Last Jedi as some kind of masterpiece. No means a big Star Wars fan, didn't even mind The Force Awakens. I did notice no training Rey maybe kicking too much ass. Or Light Sabers now just not being overly lethal like before. Luke also was just present to collect a paycheck. But I think any level of movie goer can tell The Last Jedi had problems. More so than Attack of the Clones.
The Last Jedi is if they made a new Middle Earth trilogy after Lord of the Rings where Aragorn turns out to be a POS king. He runs away to Moria because Gondor was a bad idea. A NEW Dark Lord, who is basically Sauron named "Bloke", suddenly shows up and is more powerful than Sauron. It goes unexplained where he was during LOTR. He ALSO sets his army up in Mordor with orcs that only look SLIGHTLY different. Instead of an unlikely hero like Frodo, who is great because of what he chooses to DO, we get a strong female character who is only great because of her magic powers. She kills Bloke in the 2nd movie of the trilogy, dethrones Aragorn, and does all this without struggle. But you only think that sounds dumb because you hate women.
gsimon123 you forgot when she beat gandalf in one on one combat then became a vala in middle earth cause reasons. I don't even wanna say what she did wit the ring hash tag female gollum.
Well she does magic better than Gandalf it's true. But she also shoots a bow better than Legolas, wields and axe better than Gimli, and can simply walk into Mordor. She did all of this without training I might add. It's also important to note SHE is the one to give advice to Gandalf about how he's been screwing up and how she's got to go save Middle Earth on her own without him now. That's how awesome of a character she is...
gsimon123 I can already see the dialogue from it now; New Boromir: 'A man does simply walk into Mordor...' *Strong Woman interrupts* Strong Woman: 'lucky I'm not a man then!' *pause for laughter*
The biggest mistake Star Wars made is ignoring the Extended Universe.. They literally have 100's of stories that they could pull from, ideas that they could utilise to build the franchise, but they do nothing with them. The MCU exists because of the comics, they cherry pick ideas they love and use them to fill out their own original ideas. Star Wars could do the same, but instead they don't have a clue what to do. They keep looking to the past films and it's just not satisfying.
@@legotech101 The EU wasn't trash. I understand the complications in trying to reconcile all of it together into a cohesive and consistent narrative. But to say it was trash is ludicrous. They could have used the EU characters and history and brought that to life on the screen, in the same way as the MCU has done from the comics. That would have been amazing, especially the Timothy Zahn novels. The Jaina and Jacen story would have been 1000 times better than the hacked up mashed up frankenstein thing that is EPS VII - IX. And then as a big ole FU to the fandom they not only said nah, we are going somewhere "new", all those novels and comics you bought, all the merchandise involving EU properties...that's all fan fiction.
If they kept it canon, they would not have had enough freedom to create new movies and believe it or not : MANY people aren't familiar with the expanded universe. The expanded universe must be a bonus and the movies must NOT depend on it. The only movie that made that mistake was SOLO by putting MAUL in it and what did that lead to ? People getting confused on why is a guy that DIED in the previous movies still alive after all these years. Heck, even people who watched both Clone Wars and Rebels didn't understand how he got here.
Well if you read Marvel comics you would know the MCU overly retell those stories to fit the screen. And not always for the better, some are even weakened to spite the Fox counter part (Age of Ultron) Take Homecoming for example, I don't recall Peter being a crying b+^%> relying on Tonys A.I. and even crying for his name. And that's not even going into how much the MCU has butchered Flash Thompson. A character the late and great Stan Lee loved creating character development for has resulted into "Parker Pe^%$"
Thanks for saying this in an intelligent and approachable way. It is an issue, it does need to be talked about and it's far too easy for movie studios to try to paint everyone as racist / sexist / misogynist for not being wholly supportive and lovestruck by every character, joke and plot element. It doesn't help that there are a few muppets out there who do phrase their arguments in unpleasant ways making it easy for studios to cherry pick examples of bad reviewers. For me, the original movies do feel disrespected. Characters have been neutered, killed off-screen, diluted, and assassinated to make way for political messages dressed up as characters. I've nothing against the idea of a female Jedi, I'd have *loved* to see a Mara Jade / Jedi Leia / Jaina Solo character in there, but Rey's come from nothing, and is effortlessly a better pilot than Han, and a better Jedi than Luke, and just doesn't feel like a real person. "The Force is Female" slogan is needlessly divisive. They also feel rushed and like they're shrinking the universe (which apparently ONLY contains Star Destroyers, Death Stars, TIE Fighters Jedi, X-Wings and "Yo momma" jokes) Five planets blown up in Episode 7. Zero response from the rest of the galaxy. 95% of the Rebellion wiped out in Episode 8. How are we at episode EIGHT and talking about a "spark" that'll ignite a flame? If you're reduced that much by episode 8, you're not a spark, you're a dying ember. Hope Disney listens and weaves their politics naturally back into just being the subtext as opposed to being the ONLY message these movies put across.
Yep I'm aware and have seen some videos like that. My feed is *full* of it, and by this point, I'm a little tired of it. WorldClassBullshitters has *26* Star Wars related videos on page ONE of his channel. Guess how many of them are positive. If that's not milking the backlash, I dunno what is. :p Jeremy's phrased it in an intelligent way that invites discussion and thought, and it's refreshing to see it summed up without the venom of some of the newer channels that have popped up, or being divided into a multi-part eight video series. :P
Yeah. I love Star Wars, or I should say loved. Star Wars feels like a soulless product now. It lost it's heart. It also feels a bit like being in a relationship with an abusive partner. After so many years of disappointment with the last truly good movie being Return of the Jedi I've finally had enough. Star Wars' spell over me is broken. Now I just don't care anymore. They're only movies now. Before they felt as though they transcended being just a movie and were like some sort of social phenomenon.
Entrancement Some very good points made and I agree, especially with your second point. After reading a lot of the expanded universe with some great character developments and adventures for the characters I loved in SW, it is difficult to adjust to the new Disney narrative where the characters have all failed and had their lives fall apart since the OT, only for them to return in the sequels as different characters who are only there to be killed off for the sake of adding drama. I never imagined watching ROTJ that that was the end of those characters' stories, only that is was an end of that chapter and the beginning of a new.
Chris Hansen and they didnt in the past movies until they started to shove it in peoples faces now to push an agenda that people are sick and tired of hearing 24 hours a day
Its hilarious that they hammered that, while the new trailer completely backtracks that message with hey LOOK at the past! We got Lando! We got Palpatine! Just laughable
The Originals: Great concepts, great execution The Prequels: Great concepts, the execution could have been much better Disney's Sequels: Horrible concepts, mediocre execution.
The prequels, all 3 of them, rank as the worse movies I have ever seen. Complete garbage, no redeeming qualities about any of them. The prequels are what ruined Star Wars for me. I'm not sure what 'great concept' you see in the prequels... I don't see it.
I'll have to disagree. I don't think there was any good concept there at all. And I hated the unnecessary connections to the original trilogy. I thought the prequels got worse with each one. Phantom Menace was absolutely terrible, then Attack of the Clones somehow managed to be even worse, then Revenge of the Sith managed to outdo them all and be the worse of all. It is mind boggling to me, that anyone can find something redeemable in the prequels. To each his own, I guess. Cheers.
I don't know anyone who hated Revenge of the Sith. Most people I know herald it as a top 3 film in the franchise. I'm curious why you think its the worst.
It took me 4 tries to get through Revenge Of The Sith. Each time I had to stop watching because it was so uninteresting. You should watch Red Letter Media's reviews of the prequels. They also agree that each prequel was worse than the one before it. Cheers.
Took the words right out of my mouth. Couldn't be more spot on. I refuse to accept that what happened in TLJ was planned from the beginning of the new sequels. There is NO flow and cohesion while completely ruining mystery that fueled TFA. TLJ is also a poorly edited mess that jumps from mediocre story to awful stories.
Say what you will about the flow between TFA and TLJ, but I totally disagree about the editing of TLJ and calling it a mess. I think the cinematography is beautiful and a lot of the scenes really click with me. I was gripped for most of the movie too (even though the Canto Bight scene was a bit of a drag), so I don't think editing was a problem.
Dan Bosca- I felt the exact same way about the series finale of Samurai Jack! Almost word for word what you said! Only instead of Mediocre story, it jumped from an excellent amazing story to awful in just 2 eps!!
Crooks n brooks well for money it’s somewhat understandable. They spent 4 billion so they wanted to show investors that they’d be making that back easily and then some. As for SJW, as what the video mentions, it’s noted there but it’s not tied to the plot and when I watch I just analyze the plot and see how choppy it is and the purpose of it. The plot for TLJ was poorly executed, but the plot for TFA was linear and understandable and left a decent cliff hanger that RJ threw out more or less.
The original trilogy was social justice commentary done right. How strong of a feminist message can you get when Slave Leia chokes her captor with the very chain she's bound to? Or when she takes matters into her own hands and starts gunning down storm troopers. Today's social justice is so superficial. It truly reflects the narcissism that underlies the current ideologies that plague this generation.
Funny thing is, they were just trying to get Carrie into that costume. They weren't even trying. A "sexist" act ended up to being a strong anti-Slavery + Female empowerment scene
Silly misogynistic Pig! The real strong female protagonist would never be captured she would just look at the evil worm what's-his-name and he would've killed himself. Haven't you heard? The strength and drama comes from no challenge at all.
You don't have to try just be. Future generations will look at the posturing the way we look at using at sanitariums and Europeans who believed washing was bad for ur health. Silly cultural stuff with unpleasant consequences...
Nicholas Glenn g and g brought me here as well..this dude in the video is doing the whole UA-camr vlogger dumbed down personality thing..i hate how they edit the video and talk super fast with that same annoying voice so I can't subscribe however I did enjoy the video and I agreed with everything he said..so I'm not mad at him :)
The prequels regardless of their quality were still definitively STAR WARS films. They felt like Star Wars. And George Lucas's world building was still extraordinary. Disney's Star Wars feel like they take place in someone's backyard. "Move the grill John, we've got to make room for the Starkiller base!"
Lucas' plan is working. He sold the franchise to Disney, knowing they'd fuck things up. And now the fans are turning on them and are rethinking their judgment on the prequels. That evil bastard has done it.
I have been a Star Wars fan since 1977. I have seen every movie in theaters multiple times. I agree with most of this video except when he talks about the fan backlash for the prequels. Yeah, us older fans didn't like them as much as the OT, but we STILL WENT. All 3, opening night, multiple times. And whether you liked them or not, we were all Star Wars fans and we talked about our disagreements with the movies civilly, for the most part. This time, we are not going to see the movies anymore. And if you DARE express your "displeasure" with Disney's handling of the franchise, there is no civil discussion, it IMMEDIATELY turns into a screeming fit where I find out I'm a racist, sexist, bigot who isn't a real fan. Sometimes it's actual LFL employees who decide to insult me. That's nice. LFL under Kathleen Kennedy's leadership has completely broken the fandom and harmed the brand. This cannot continue.
Loki Fults this post makes me shed a tear, because it is too true. I remember being excited about star wars, but the new films siphoned the excitement out and replaced it with divisiveness and the need to push an agenda at the cost of the writing. I was excited to see episode 7's premiere, because I grew up with star wars. Tho I wasn't born when the OT came out I watched it many times as a kid when it was on dvd with my dad (who actually did watch them when they first came out). It has a feeling of nostalgia, that is now unfortunately muddied, and all I have now is a bad taste in my mouth.
They were HORRIBLE FILMS...geezus...you 90's babies...Look, every damn prequel movie was a disappointment because the WAY in which Lucas illustrated his stories was done in a way that wasn't compatible with cinema....they would've been awesome cartoon, however....but they're live-action, so there's certain things you have to install to make it a worthwhile movie....that's why The Matrix did far better than The Phantom Menace, when those two films came out in 1999....
Me friend thought suicide squad was GOOD. The same person, my friend, who NEVER looks up reviews could point out the main fundamental flaws of The Last Jedi like the casino scene, Lea space flying, Rose saving NO ONE, the commander not telling people the plan, etc. If you can't fool someone that likes Suicide Squad into liking your movie, you've done something terribly wrong.
The thing with the prequels, as much as I dislike the first two, they still are a Star Wars movie. They are good fun, and let us explore the different worlds like Naboo, Kashyyyk, Utapu, Kamino, Genosis, ect... We got to see cool characters like Maul, Dooku, Jango, the Clones, all the different Jedi, and Grievous. There were emotionally involved scenes like Order 66 and Anakin and Obi-Wan's final conversation. I haven't felt any of this from Disney's movies. The planets they visit are either similar to Earth, or just rehashes of the OT planets like Jakku (Tatooine) and Crait (Hoth). It seems like they've condensed the universe, and it doesn't really feel like star wars to me...
Wait, you mean the great Jedi going down like punks in order 66 or the stilted dialogue between Anakin and Obi-Wan? Come on, man, the prequels were garbage (and ROTS was probably the biggest stinker of them all). It's just that contrary to all expectations (corporate leadership, capable screenwriters, capable directors, and, well, no Lucas) the recent additions to the saga turned out to be so crappy, as to make even the prequels look good. But that's just relative, you know...
Lol cool characters....who speak in cringe and don't actually do anything cool. Anakin and obi wans last convo is hilariously awful. To hear J suddenly prop those films up, because like many others, he can't handle a nuanced star war, is also hilariously bad.
Dain L "Who speak in cringe" ...like Poe dameron and his garbage jokes ? And what cool things the new characters did ? Learning to use the force in one second and flying like superman ? Or you probably think drinking green milk from an alien cow is cool
Francis Donaghy well once he did say basement dwellers. But that was for the backlash against Jar Jar but he attacked the audience and said they were racist or sexist. So you're right.
I wish we never got a new SW trilogy. I remember being a kid and thinking about what the origonal heroes were doing after Return of the Jedi. I'm also sad that all those comics are not cannon anymore...
@@zachanikwano Agreed. I just cherry-pick what I love, and have done so for years. Dark Empire is as much trash to me as the Sequel Trilogy, so I ignored it. I just ignore the ST and have no plans to ever watch it again (or anything related to it).
How you know TLJ destroyed it is that after force Awakens there was theories and hype for what was going to happen next. After TLJ we see none of it nobody cares because they killed the potential. Shame really
It sounds like you're basically saying that you don't like it because what you wanted to happen didn't, what you thought should happen didn't, or what you theorized didn't come true.
Michael Rodriguez Given it has no basis in reality and the only real "evidence" boils down to "look at these people who agree with me", it sure as hell is
dont care that the theories wasnt true im just saying the hype for the movie was more intense hense the theories. There where mysteries now there are none really
Solo bombed because: 76% of the audience didn't like "The Last Jedi" (according to Rotten Tomatos actual audience score, WITH the half star reviews INCLUDED, which RT drops from its scoring algorithm). Then, when fans say, "hey, Disney, Lucasfilm, we don't like the hardline feminist and SJW propaganda film direction Kathleen Kennedy (head of Lucasfilm) is taking Star Wars, Kennedy, Rianne Johnson (director of TLJ...and Looper), and others start berating fans (aka customers) on social media. Then, Disney doubles down with Solo, playing around with Lando's sexuality. Combine this nonsense with Kennedy telling fans she can do whatever she wants with Star Wars because she's bringing in the big money and people will buy tickets regardless of how her personal agenda invades the film. What results is fans, customers, keeping their wallets closed. Which brings me to another great Kathleen Kennedy quote, "I don't owe the fans anything. I owe something to the company I work for." Well, with her mismanagement of the Star Wars franchise and mistreatment of "the company-she-works-for's" customers on social media, hopefully she won't work there much longer. Another problem Disney needs to address, besides a Lucasfilm management change is they need to hire WRITERS to write the scripts and hire a director to...direct. With Kathleen Kennedy's corrosive meddling, writers could craft agenda and twitter free stories. Thanks, Mr. Jahns for bringing this story of how Kathleen Kennedy is destroying Star Wars to a wider audience.
Christopher Marabella I've seen posts from you in the comments 4 times now, and in each one it seems like you think you made a strong point. I'm here to inform you that you haven't, in fact most of the time they have absolutely nothing to do with the comment you replied to.
I'm quite annoyed that some reports conclude fans are simply suffering from too much star wars fatigue. We just celebrated star wars day and have a scheduled star wars celebration next year. I don't think that's a fatigue. In fact we can't stop talking about it right now. There is no fatigue. Just frustration.
I was never a huge Star Wars fan. I was a fan but not like how some people are. But when force awakens came out I was excited and overall it paid off I enjoyed it. When rogue one came out I was like neat. I watched it and enjoyed it. But when last Jedi came out I was excited and then.... not. It just felt like it wasn’t part of a trioligy and so much wrong. And then solo was announced and I couldn’t care less. I’m all Star Wars out. Add in the ball drop that has been the battlefront games as well and Star Wars is no longer the power house it was. The ball has been dropped to often now and with them pushing such social commentary into their films they don’t even feel like a fun sci fi flick anymore. The Star Wars name alone isn’t enough to make these films powerhouses anymore.
There's a difference between the lies which dominate regular civilian life, @@godzilla101188 ... and the lies which are corporate America. Lucas HATED the corporate structure of film making ... and then he was betrayed by one of his own, Kathy Kennedy, all in the name of: the God Almighty Disney dollar & Democrat ideology.
It isn't about the quality of the movies, the reason why solo tanked is because of the reaction of Lucasfilm to fans after The Last Jedi. They mocked and marginalized the criticism and incensed the fandom. Classic case of biting the hand that feeds you
you might want to read that again. he was saying the reaction lucas film had to the (fair) criticism and reactions to TLJ was the problem, not that the fans criticism was unwarranted.
You forget how bigger the mass market who don’t follow interviews and bts are compared to us. We are in minority. It has to do with Solo being place in May and not having Harrison Ford as Han Solo. Probably should of never done this movie since everyone wants Harrison Ford
chris rucker yep think it's backlash from TLJ. I actually enjoyed Solo a lot more. The SJW droid is tongue in cheek it doesn't bother me, the characters were much more true to classic form and didn't really feel a political agenda in it. The humour was better and I enjoyed the smaller scope of the story. Was just more fun
1) TLJ and the general direction of the franchise are hated by many fans. 2) KK is hated by many fans. 3) Avengers and DP2 are competing with it. 4) Memorial Day weekend in the US, people are having BBQs and chilling with family. 5) SW always does poorly in China. 6) Marketing for the film was poor, no hype, and many don't know about it. 7) Not Harrison Ford. 8) Not really a necessary story, no one wanted it and it doesn't connect to the current trilogy. 9) Movies are getting pricey. 10) Widely known production issues. 11) Very "meh" reviews. 12) Big weekend for sports, especially overseas (Champions League final last Saturday night, which is huge all around the world). 13) Last SW movie 5 months ago. Yes, Marvel is succeeding with 3 movies a year, but they have worked hard at building a franchise over 10 years that has rewarded fans. Lucasfilm have a bad relationship with a lot of the fandom currently. Not a surprising flop.
@@colematthews8652 you are in luck then! There's plenty of Rose Ticos available pretty much everywhere for a fraction of the cost. You can even have one each week and still not run out for decades to come 😂
This is literally this first time I have not bothered to go to the cinema to go see a Star Wars movie (Solo) since I started to do so with the prequels 20 years ago. Since Last Jedi, I stopped caring with the new ones. But I save my hopes for an Obi Wan movie with Ewan in it.
gutz1981 I think you should give it a chance my dude. I’m in the same boat as you, I hated all of the new films but I decided to go see Solo for the hell of it and I was shocked at how great it was. It’s easily the best of the new films, just feels like vintage Star Wars, not the new garbage.
Honestly, Solo seemed unnecessary at first, but after watching, its not that bad. Its decent for what it was a reignited my spark for Star Wars again. Its worth a shot
Don't bother. Their making a Star Wars movie for the sake of making a Star Wars movie. It should be no surprise that Disney is trying to make Star Wars into some cinematic universe like Marvel. Star Wars=/=Marvel. Solo is an obvious cash crab.
Solo might be a good movie. I’m open to that. But I don’t know because I’m refusing to go out and see it after the bullshit that was TLJ and, most importantly, the behavior of Kathleen Kennedy and company afterward. She insulted the fans that kept this franchise alive and made the purchase even desirable for Disney to begin with. I’m not giving them my money. I’m done. And I don’t even feel conflicted about it, because TLJ was actual shit. It ruined SW. So I don’t even have to worry that I’m missing anything of quality. Kathleen Kennedy managed to sink what should have been an unsinkable ship. She’s made wrong decision after wrong decision, and she refuses to even admit any of them. She’d rather fling shit at the people who she wants money from. And I know she literally said she doesn’t care or need male fans, but I’m a woman... so, joke is on her.
censor everything I cannot disagree with you. Kennedy's arrogance is astounding. I get wanting to garner a new audience, but chucking aside the older fans; the people who supported the franchise thick and thin, bought your merch, helped keep the franchise alive even after the PT. It's like a restaurant owner telling there loyal customers to piss off. It is poor business practice for the sake of an agenda. So yeah; I have no regrets not seeing Solo. If she does not want older fans like me to engage, cool. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Marvel's making great films, anime and manga have been captivating me. Overall, I truly believe if LucasFilm just swallows some humble pie and admits that there were a group of fans taken aback by TLJ and the current direction and promised to change, I believe that would go a long way. There is only so long people will take being crapped upon before they move on.
I’m proper old school Star Wars. Totally agree with you. Yep not going after TLJ. Not taking my kids. Until they sort their crap out. this family and our money is staying clear
I never could have imagined not seeing a new Star Wars movie a few years ago but like you I don't even find myself being conflicted. Perhaps the poor to average reviews helped but I think I still would have ignored it on principle. Disney need to replace Kennedy with someone more like Keven Feige, someone who is passionate about their franchise and knows what direction they want to take it.
Star Wars wasn't "agnostic" on social issues so much as, at least in the original trilogy, painted a picture of good vs evil. Something that's timeless. The new SW films, TLJ in particular, went all preachy on social issues of the day. Something that isn't timeless. I doubt it will age well.
"I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." -- J. R. R. Tolkien Lucas' original trilogy was a masterpiece of universal applicability, because he took his themes from folklore and the hero's journey. The Disney movies are poor attempts at allegory, and that's why they fail, imo.
Particularly enjoyed his point about being subtle with the political messaging. Alas, the Twitter-fueled SJW crowd has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face.
not a sledgehammer to the face, that is one and done.... its more like the child who craves attention and trows a tantrum in the supermarket because their mom wont buy them their favorite cereal.
Shree Dove You know what I like most about the prequels, they actually took fan feedback. The first sucked, but after the back lash from the first one in the second they almost got rid of jar jar, they got rid of child Anakin. Episode 2 and 3 weren't great, especially by star wars standards, but they were decent movies.
Azad Rahul Do you know how to read bro? Comment literally said AFTER the first one they ALMOST got rid of jar jar. The first movie jar jar is in half the scenes he's a main character with tons of lines. The second movie he is visible for a few minutes max and only has like 5 lines. They took the feedback that fans hated him and acted on it to improve the next movie.
DejaVoodooDoll we are not shitty as you who are also brainless- "I'll buy everything that Disney is selling". Thanks but no thanks I would rather see even my most hated Star Wars film till recently-"Attack of the Clones" than that shit "TLJ"!
Any franchise that adds too much overt SJW messaging inevitably falls in popularity. Not only does these conspicuous messages distract from the story, but alienate members of the audience( People are allowed to disagree and dislike SJW extremism without being racists and misogynists as evidenced by the abundant number of non white or male fans who dislike the Last Jedi). Perhaps Star Wars has long been beloved by so many since it has always maintained its character as a fun and thrilling adventure in an unknown galaxy populated by characters we cherish and enjoy.
The issue with the sjw messages is that it immediately dates the movie. Most of the most recognizable movies of all time have themes and messages that are relevant to people of all ages, and tend to remain relevant decades later.
@@satireknight Hilariously, the messages were *anti-war* anti-capitalism. Disney's earliest cartoons were all for fighting in a war and killing Nazis. It's really weird that Disney put out a movie that was all about saying how bad they are.
@tyler norton this may be true with how much more stuff cost like for instance it used to be a couple bucks to go see a movie now its pushing damn near 20 dollars a ticket and kennedy flat out made it known she dont care about the fan basis comparing the take in from now to then is comparing apples to oranges. If you took the OT and threw it in theatres now it would rake in just as much cash and we wouldnt be fed the agenda bullshit.
tyler norton based off the following of an already legit franchise and the expectation of more epic ness that George introduced to us... she made money off a system already in place ...and now has bad reviews...
Last Jedi turned a huge amount of fans off. Even if solo was good it was doomed from the start. I've never seen a movie ruin so many other movies as the last Jedi.
geissler35 The foreign market could care less about about SJW bs. That means they reject the direction Rian Johnson took Star Wars. That message is clear! It doesn't take a genius to see all the plot holes and poor writing choices in TLJ. I would be fine with people identifying those issues and then saying the good outweighs the bad. Fine. That's an opinion. But instead, the most vocal fans of TLJ are saying it's great and haters aren't real Star Wars fans.
geissler35 The Last Jedi is a film about embracing change and embracing what the future holds. Unfortunately, it was made for an audience who can't accept change and is fearful of the future. I am so sorry that this movie didn't pander to you and made all of your stupid internet theories come into fruition and instead opted to do something new and different.
geissler35 its the age old rule. Its easier to destroy than it was to build. A legacy and lore built over 40 years destroyed in 2 bours. Now its just necrophilia what disney is doing to a franchise
Jake Voronkov i guess you can call empty characters, pointless out of place plot lines, giant plot holes, and injecting politics into a beloved franchise "something different" but I'd call it garbage. You know a movie is bad when it degrades other movies along with itself. Oh and no one is upset at "change". They are upset at bad writing and how horrible the og series has been treated by people who clearly don't like it let alone know anything about it. The fan base had open arms for this new trilogy, they just didn't expect it to be handled this poorly.
Jake Voronkov I wish Solo made more money, but I fear you are in the minority here (the world over). TLJ split the fandom. Solo's box office is evidence that I may have a point. But I know you're just an internet troll. How's that working out for you?
Some very very good points in that video: "These new movies feel like our world, not like a galaxy far far away..." I felt exactly the same thing with The Last Jedi and the Soylo trailers... This is why I love Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers, because he just like the Jeremy in this video is not afraid to point those things out! Liked and subbed!
I definitely get Jeremy's point but then Lucas has always used real life as a metaphor or reference in his movies, even before he sold it to Disney. Example: he based the Empire off of Nazi Germany and the space dogfights off of WW2 dogfights. Palpatine's rise to power was based on Rome or Nixon or Hitler coming to power. Lucas even specifically said ROTJ was a metaphor for Vietnam. So yeah, putting nods to real life events in SW movies is not a new thing.
So the movie is bad because you didn't got what you wanted ? You know that Star Wars doesn't belong to you ? I didn't expect Luke to become such a grumpy and pessimistic guy... But WOW that takes balls to make him the way they did and it takes brains to do it as GOOD as they did.
I didn't see Solo and I'll admit it is mainly due to The Last Jedi which ruined it for me. I won't be going to see 9, I have 0 expectations going forward. I would say The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me but that isn't true, because I still have the other good movies in the franchise, It just ruined the future of Star Wars for me.
Synyster Craig I'm in the same boat as you. I still enjoy many of the new comics and rebels was great and I look forward to another Filloni series but done with the movies.
Star Wars fans agree on 4 things that were generally good. -The original trilogy -The Clone Wars -KOTOR 1 & 2 -The Thrawn Trilogy. We can agree on some things.
Well.. Kotor 2 had it's problems because of being rushed but I generally agree with you. I did like some other EU books as well. How about a movie set in the kotor series? Yes please! Or better yet, Kotor 3!
Kinda like how having a political thing happen in comics or having a political character in comics is different than having a message of toxic masculinity and girls cant do no wrong message at your face. What I'm saying is Marvel is going propaganda route and calling it regular politics, which usually should be about both sides of an argument but not at marvel because that would make their heroes complex and well rounded.
Let me say this.. It ALL started with the last fucking jedi. The prequels were not great, but atleast they successfully extended the universe and gave even more depth to characters we knew and loved. TLJ brought absolutly nothing to the table..
Hate has been plaguing Star Wars since before the first movie came out in 1977 and it never left. None of this started with The Last Jedi. It just got renewed, and so the cycle of hatred exchanged members once again. You just happen to be a new recruit, called in because you don’t like what The Last Jedi did, in fact, bring to the table.
I dont care for people hating on Star Wars for whatever reasons. I just dont like bad movies. And TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie ever made and critique is more than deserved. Completly changing the formular and tone of Star Wars was just a bad idea, If you want to continue an existing Saga successfully. It never even tried to continue the story and exchanged it for some cheap jokes. Thats not storytelling to me. Why even call it SW Episode 7,8,9 then
Cas ual I honestly have a hard time believing we saw the same movie, but you can go on hating the movie all you want; that’s fine with me. It doesn’t annoy me anywhere close to as much as the people who attack the actors and directors for making something they personally don’t like for months on end, insult anyone who actually enjoys the new content, and try to ruin Star Wars for everyone who doesn’t think it already ruined itself. Even if Star Wars isn’t for everyone anymore, it’s not right to tell people how to feel or bully actors off of social media for a piece of fiction.
People really shouldnt insult other people because of some fiction. But there still needs to be critique, especially for Rian Johnson. Star Wars just has influenced too many lifes and became way too big to be handed to some random director who doesnt seem to understand the core. Its like a million dollar chinese restaurant hired a new chefcook, whos capable of making some food, but has absolutely no knowledge about good asian food. Of course longtime customers will complain If it doesnt tastes like good asian food anymore. Some people will complain in a gentle way and some wont, thats just human. But maybe you should exchange your fucking cook If so many people are unsatisfied, instead of blaming the customers who just expected the brands old quality.
I didn't dislike The Last Jedi because I am a die-hard Star Wars fan and Rian Johnson totally crapped on the Star Wars lore, which he did. I hated The Last Jedi because as a movie, it was absolutely terrible. It had the worst writing and plot progression I have ever seen. The movie abandoned reason and logic in order to shoehorn the most forced plotline I have ever seen. It was just a horrible movie. That's why I hated it. And that, compounded with the fact that it's Star Wars, and Star Wars is supposed to be awesome, made it even worse.
This is exactly what I've been saying, it doesn't matter that it's Star Wars, it could have been any franchise, it was just a terrible movie. It was a High-school project movie with AAA special effects. I've literally watched a movie about a tire that roams the countryside exploding people's heads that had a better plot and did a better job of simply being a movie and not a badly stitched together mess of 20min clips with almost no ties to each other.
I agree. Dont consider myself a hardcore fan, enjoyed the world lore and found the original movies, enjoyable, but not fantastic film-making That said, The Last Jedi was an ATROCIOUS piece of cinematic SHIT Every other scene was a What Da Fuq moment for me They destroyed the well-established world lore, the timing was HORRIBLE, the film-makers seemed not to know the source material, or even what genre and type of film that they were even trying to make, and the dialogue was CRAP....NOTHING original was brought to the actual galaxy far, far storytelling, AT ALL.... TOTAL character assassination (in the case of Han Solo, BOTH figuratively and literally) performed on the original core characters of the Star Wars Saga...
But the side plot you're talking about made up about 20 minutes of the overall movie, are you basically saying that because of the small side plot not being too great (which I agree with) ruins the rest of what I believe is a good film? Overall to me the positives massively out way the negatives and this is my problem with TLJ critique because it seems to all focus only on very small parts of the films that people didn't like.
When you say the TLJ didn't feel like it was from a galaxy far far away but felt like something from our galaxy, from earth... That's 100% true! I didn't even realize why it felt so off, but after you said it I realized a lot of the content was so current earth stuff that it totally killed the galaxy far far away setup.
zerbonation yeah, and more precisely one country, since it feels like it's aimed mostly to a US public... All the other films feel both universal in their themes and as if they actually happened in worlds different to our own.
Jeremy, maybe you should do a series where you take a movie you reviewed in the past and have completely changed your mind on. I would actually like to see your reasoning of why you made a change of opinion.
I hated Last Jedi more than any prequel ever, here I said it. I cant believe someone looked at that Rian Johnsons script and thought, yes, make this. He completely fucks numerous JJ Abrahms set ups and replaces all that mystery with completely inept story lines. Not to mention the movie just doesn;t feel like epic at all, it feels like generic SCI-FI pilot. Fuck that movie in the ass.
In all honesty, I concur. I began thinking of my reactions to the prequels and while I recognized flaws, I never outright disliked them. And for the record, I really enjoyed the Force Awakens. But the Last Jedi was just awful. It honestly really was. I find myself not even remotely interested in seeing the next movie, which is not a feeling I had with the prequels.
The main problem is that they keep on shoe horning identity politics into Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy refuses to listen to fans. And JJ Abrahams, Ryan Johnson, and Kathleen Kennedy decides to attack the people who dislikes the Last Jedi besides taking responsibility that the Last Jedi isn't the perfect movie
exactly. Like the rebellion was sparked by a female black ginger?? L3 and Qi'ra save the day multiple times? L3 sounds like an "independent" strong female. LIke comeeee onnn
The rebellion was sparked by multiple cells, not just Enfys. L3 and Qi'ra hardly saved the day, and every other character was annoyed by L3 in the film
Let’s be honest here. The last Jedi was okay. It wasn’t bad. The plot line with Finn was bad and I was confused why the general didn’t let everyone in on the plan, but u would be lying if u said that the plot line and the relationship and dynamic that grew between Kyle Ren and Rey was bad. It was amazing. I feel like if Last Jedi focused more on that plot line it would have been amazing
JamRock Bless well I didn't say that I think the last Jedi is a good movie or a bad movie all I said is that Kathleen Kennedy, Ryan Johnson and JJ Abrahams are acting like the Last Jedi is a perfect movie
I’m from Geeks and Gamers too. And yes, it’s very refreshing to see someone on your caliber saying this stuff. Thank you. This for me, is your best video and most “real” video ever. Regards, Jon Paul
Well now that's it popular to bash Jeremy jumps on board. I' didn't see this commendable courage during the review itself. The follow up 10 things that piss me off alternate and this are damage control. Look, he worked hard, and the perks that film companies give out are very lucrative, but then there is the slippery slope. He's made Disney happy at the expense of his viewers. So now this. I found the video sooo neutral, it was cringy. I was a fan for a long time. Where was that Jeremy here? I saw a tip toeing, shoot down the middle approach, to get the least amount of people Pissed.
Bilal Khalid its the timing, people have been talking about his since Jedi. Tons of UA-camrs ( smaller channels) gave what I consider accurate reviews long ago. Geeks and gamers has been covering this for motnhs. Anyway that my option. Jeremy has provided me with lots of great reviews in the past. Thanks. Time to move on.
I'm guessing TFA is one of them--he was way over the top when that movie came out. I left the theater disappointed after my first viewing--I had reserved two showings that opening night--so while I waited to see it again, I watched his review...needless to say I was wondering if we'd watched the same movie. I was shocked how much he liked it, and so I thought maybe it was me. Then I watched it the second time that night...and hated it more. When I got home and saw more praise from other sources, I knew we were in trouble--something was wrong...REALLY WRONG. It didn't make sense to me--but then other voices clapped back at the love-fest, and a real debate began. The fans of TFA couldn't really argue effectively against the criticism, but they always had this ace up their sleeve: "wait for the next movie and it will all make sense--it's the first movie of the trilogy, be patient--etc"...they no longer have that. Maybe they felt more betrayed than those of us that didn't like TFA...and then came SOLO. It wasn't enough that Rey was a Mary Sue, they had to turn Han into a Gary Stu lol--but in SOLO's defense, no matter what happened in the movie, we knew he and Chewbacca weren't red shirts. SOLO suffered because of TLJ--there's no other reason. Sure, it wasn't a good movie, and had more of the same SJW-type bs in it, but people had already made up their minds they weren't going to see it (at least they weren't going to give DIsney any money to see it--I'm sure they'd watch it if it didn't cost them anything). That's on TLJ, plain and simple. I'll never forget how Jeremy was..."on the fence" about TLJ--I had watched it opening night too, and was thinking to myself "There's no way Jeremy is going to praise this monstrosity!"--when he said he had to see it again to solidify an opinion, I LMAO! I was like "nope, it really was that bad, and he doesn't want to believe it". I think that disappointment allowed him to see TFA in a new light--to really see why so many of us criticized it from the very beginning.
I have never heard of company like LucasFilm who just tries to constantly point fingers and shift blame whenever they take a misstep. For God Sakes they should just acknowledge they may have made some mistakes and move on rather than continue digging the whole deeper and deeper. I firmly believe Solo would have performed far better if LucasFilm had behaved as a civil and responsible company in response to the TLJ backlash.
I have heard of companies that tried to shift the blame for their problems. They all went out of business. I don't think that it would happen to Lucasfilm considering their Disney backing, but I could see a major overhaul if they don't get their shit together.
actually TFA is not that great either, its just a copy of eps.IV, and it kills Han Solo, WHY it kills Luke's Jedi Academy, WHY it reduced the story back to Rebel vs Empire, WHY theres a lot of good Expanded Universe stories, why oh why Lucasart go down the TFA road....
Samuel Richard Halgaklett The point really is that Anakin was Lord Vader when he killed those younglings. That’s why Lucas adjusted it and had Anakin as the Force Ghost at the end. This isn’t to say Anakin is free of blame, cause he certainly isn’t. Just to understand the dynamic of what the Force ghost represents.
Jeremy .... this was a good video essay. I am a fan of many Movies and I’m also a fan of Star Wars. I’m the kid that was there in the beginning watching a new space film in 1977 ..... totally blown away! I may not have the same expectations as my present Star Wars fans but I am that strange fan that loves me some Star Wars! I guess I always will ! Jeremy I say this to you ....”keep up the good work”
The fans boycotted solo in response to the last jedi, and how Kathleen Kennedy as treated the backlash by calling fans bigots racist and sexist, it's not a nice way to treat millions of fans who have made the franchise what it is with their money over the years, and all they wanted was a decent storyline, a bit of continuity, ho and someone with an in depth knowledge of the franchise to helm the ship, Dave feloni, or just ask George for he's treatments,
I am so sick of x wings vs tiefighters and rebels vs Stormtroopers and having to disguise the characters as imperials to sneak onto a Star destroyer/death star. Say what you want about the prequels, at least they were unique, different and had an overlying story arch.
They weren't, will you fucks quit trying to act like the prequels are good juts cause the new ones are bad? New bad films doesn't make old bad films better.
"Unique" literally SW Phantom Menace ends with Skywalker destroying a space station, and if you want to say "there's much more to it than that" there's much more to the new movies, but you can easily make something seem unoriginal when you break it down. The prequels aren't special, they're just as unoriginal as any other movie, only with the added bonus of crappy dialogue, say what you will about the rose and finn scene, at least I didn't have to put up with that for THREE MOVIES, like I did in the prequel.
This is the first time I have skipped an opening weekend for a Star Wars movie. When Lucasfilm decides to return from whatever obscure galaxy they have been lost in, I'll be back.
Omg, I need to address the midichlorians issue. It doesn’t change anything about the Star Wars universe. The reason being, the closer you look at something the more detail you see. A universe is infinite in every direction, including inwardly; that is why there is a quantum scale, it shows some of the building blocks to reality. The physics of the quantum scale are entirely different and weird, and I don’t see why it would be any different in Star Wars. In fact, I think it’s a natural explanation for some of the properties of the force. Furthermore, if we had the technology to look even closer to quantum particles, I’m 100 percent certain we would discover even more because that’s how infinity has to work if our model of the universe is correct. Midichlorians are a logical byproduct of the reality portrayed in Star Wars. Being mad at that concept being introduced into the story is like being angry that you found out you’re made of atoms.
This such an educated answer. To be fair, I was just starting primary school when the Phantom Menace came out so I didn't understand the concept anyways, but I didn't think it was a bad creative decision at all. I just assumed he was taking some sort of blood test just to assess his genetics and health. Didn't really seem like a childhood destroying concept that the internet ranted on about years later
Star Wars could make $500m a month, if the movies were of very high quality. This was not because of fatigue. Three big reasons are. 1. Characters and story took a dive. The new movies were rehashes of the old plot, and characters were mediocre at best. 2. People are sick of having far-Left, inter-sectional, Marxist/ Postmodernism ideology, pushed at them through games, movies, comics. They want quality stories, not high budget political indoctrination. 3. The Fans got fed up with having their concerns belittled, and being insulted. I have never seen an imdustry treat their customers so badly, going so far as to say that males, who make up the majority of SW fans, are not wanted. When you spit this right in the faces of your customers how can you not expect a backlash? When you hand your customers a crap product, ignore their objections, and then insult them to their faces, you have just killed your business.
How in the actual fuck is having female characters, characters of different races and sexualities, or any of that, Marxist? What is communist about diversity? God, you people make me cringe.
m chlfx you’d have to rewatch the film with an open mindset and looking for the flaws that may oppose your world views. It’s challenging to see if you aren’t looking for it but when you do you’ll understand people’s complaints. I don’t know if you’ve ever read or watched something as a kid and watched it again as an adult and you see it much differently. A similar thing happens when individuals watch something, each person gravitates to things differently. For example in the force awakens when Finn grabs Rey’s arm and Rey tells him to let go of her one person might see that as a great achievement for empowering women, and breaking social norms. Others may see at as contrived, unnecessary, and way out of the realm of a galaxy far far away, as well as belittling men. Two very different interpretations and imo equally valid, getting mad at the other side doesn’t help either side.
I don't see how that empowers women or belittles men. People look way too deep into things. Star Wars isn't and never will be that deep. The morality in Star Wars is almost completely black and white, which is childish, and not at all reflective of real life. What I took from that scene was that Rey didn't really trust Finn, and with good reason. And I'm pretty sure that's all there is to it.
Jason Wright Exactly, Did Lucas Films Learn NOTHING from Ghostbusters 2016? They knew their movie sucked, but called everyone a sexist bigot if they hated the movie
The Current state of Star Wars is a state of denial. Star Wars fans are _pissed_ . I know, not all of us, but a pretty significant portion of us. The thing is, it's not just about Last Jedi. It certainly _started_ with Last Jedi, but the way Lucasfilm employees have handled the anger has just made everything worse. I _hated_ Last Jedi. The treatment of Luke Skywalker was wretched and ignored everything about his character, Poe and Finn were reduced to bumbling comic relief, a painful amount of the runtime was devoted to a pointless and illogical plan that never made any sense, while Rey was elevated to godlike status. In Force Awakens her strange abilities were an interesting mystery - how does she know all the things she knows? In TLJ, we learn that...there is no reason. She's just that special. She is the absolute _definition_ of a Mary-Sue character, which removes all interest. So, having created a film that's torn a dedicated and devoted fanbase apart, how do the high muckety-mucks at Lucasfilm respond? With insults. Accusations that critics of this festering turd "can't handle strong female characters". Accusations of misogyny. Here's the thing, Lucasfilm - the only people bringing up Rey's sex are yourselves. Nobody else cares, except insofar as it clearly influenced the way she was written. If the leadership at Lucasfilm aren't interested in listening to feedback, the result is obvious - backlash. Boycott. Loss of interest in their products. That's why Solo is bombing - it's not about Solo, it's about Star Wars, and the way it treats its audience.
I have said pretty much all of these things (often less articulately). It’s amazing to see a channel 100x my size use their platform to make the same point I have!
This video is exactly why someone I watch calls you a “God.” You have a great perspective! Sadly, many in the SW fandom are extremely toxic. Imo way too much energy and time is being devoted to ripping everyone associated with these movies to shreds. As you said, it’s a MOVIE! There are real issues in our world they could use that same passion and energy for, but it is being wasted on who and how a movie is made. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it. Good for you Jeremy!
Here's what happened to me. I saw Force Awakens and, while there were things I didn't like, I overall thought it was good. I was excited for TLJ. I came out with bits that I liked, but something in me hurt. I couldn't put my finger on it. Then I saw it again. The wound of Han Solo's fate, which hadn't yet healed upon hearing the news of Carrie Fisher, was made a gaping hole seeing Luke fade off into the sunset at the end. To me, THAT killed Star Wars. It was as if Disney literally told me, my hardcore fans for parents, and everyone who loved the movies before that THIS was the end, at least for us. It wasn't even a good note that it went out on. It was like Rocky V, Transformers The Last Knight, or Batman and Robin all rolled up into one. The worst part about it, is that those in charge decided that it was in their best interest to insult the people who loved Star Wars and that they only want new fans. The line "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" stood out like a sore thumb as their message to us. Thank you Jeremy for your thought provoking video. I hope you've taken the time to read this knowing that we the fans (perhaps former fans) of Star Wars will simply go back to watch the original, when Star Wars was still the fun space opera.
RodimusPrimal That's how I felt. At first I thought TLJ wasn't so bad. But soon enough something started to really hurt. After seeing Luke die again... then remembering how Han died. Then realizing Carrie is dead as well. It all came up to me like a punch in the face. The past was now killed. Their message that the old needed to die was clear. Us fans who loved these characters didn't matter. The new fans are now here... everything else didn't matter. I would've been okay with Han, Luke and Leia being killed off, but in a way that made it satisfying. But they didn't make It that way. So it hurts.
The biggest issue i feel that went wrong with this is they didnt make a proper trilogy. There should have been ONE director or at least ONE vision for all three movies. All the great trilogies or plan a proper beginning middle and end to is cohesive. Think about it, the main reason people are pissed about stuff that happening in the Last Jedi is because nothing was delivered from the force awakens. The first movie of this trilogy hyped up so much things and it made Luke returning an important thing, it made mystery of snokes identity and reys parents an important thing and they made Rey and Kylos training significant, all for the last Jedi to toss all that away. Snoke died quickly with no backstory, luke died randomly without really returning to himself, Reys parents were nobody and Rey and kylo barely got any training. Just 2 lessons from luke for rey.... Its like the second movie was its own separate movie with the same characters. Almost nothing was taken from the first movie except the setting they are starting in where Rey is already with Luke. Also i didnt mind that look was in a dark place but at least redeem him by the end. They tossed way luke and snoke in the lamest way. IF they were gonna do that at least give them a last hurrah. Like making a luke vs Snoke death match or something. Anyway with this lame second movie, there is also nothing to look forward to for the last one. I mean are we gonna watch Reys Mary sue ass beat Kylo again? She beat him in the first with no training, Beat him in the second with the force pull (he passed out while she was find to escape) and now we gotta watch a third beaten...... yay...... . All in all i feel like Ryan Johnson just did whatever he wanted without actually thinking about a trilogy. He really set things up for a really lame last movie with nothing to look forward to.
I think they should have done what marvel did. They mapped the whole stuff out since 2008. According to one source all the way up to 2028 around the time captain America 2 was a big hit. It was more or less LET'S SELL TOYS AND HAVE STAR WARS EVERY YEAR! Instead of just planning and seeing where to go from there with Force Awakens. It's like f*** it. The fans were right. ALL CONTROL TO ME!! And they forgot to respect the things set in stone because George is out of the picture or some shit so We can make our own special edition series from now on.
I'm glad Jeremy touched on the social justice thing. But I would say the reason Solo failed so hard was more about how the producers reacted to how the fans reacted. After TLJ, the fans reacted as Jeremy said. If they want social messages in their star wars, make it less heavy handed and still tell a good story. The creators simply called the people criticizing TLJ angry basement-dwelling white males who are too narrow minded. People got angry at that and said they are not watching Solo. And then people didn't watch Solo. And for some reason, Disney is surprised when the Solo boycott has been a big thing since the release of TLJ.
In todays society when anyone make a point that you don't agree with either you are a racist or just a shit person. Many fans said that Kylo is far more interesting character and he should be the lead, people accused them of women hating and worst Disney legitimized these abuses against fans by saying fans don't like Rey because she is a girl. If you are not a racist or sexist and are misunderstood by people who think you are the reaction will not be kind. Now we have reached a point of no return where anyone who doesn't like Star Wars is a Trump Sumpporter and true fans who love all things Star Wars are supposedly enlightened.
100% accurate, this is the exact reason why there was so much backlash and hate. People had problems with TLJ, but then they get called names by the people making these movies akin to what children do, and they somehow expected that would go differently?! And by identifying it as "white males" they succeeded in pissing off not just white males, female's, black's, mexican, jewish, asians etc...I mean it was beyond stupid, and you had people that were defending TLJ doing the exact same thing, and then pretending that they never did. It's the internet people, you say something there it is there forever and people WILL find it! At the end of the day, all these people that are mad that it bombed the way it did only have themselves to blame for it, maybe they should you know, try looking in the mirror every once in awhile!
"We've always been told the core of the Star Wars movies is the saga of the Skywalker's. How can it be the saga of the Skywalker's when there is one living Skywalker left who's last name is Solo? which is a bullshit last name. Who will probably die by the end." I need to get that printed on a t-shirt.
Obviously they didn't, nobody did and Fisher's loss was devastating but my initial thought upon learning of her death wasn't "Oh, what are they going to do about Episode IX?" it was about her family and especially her daughter Billie. Fisher's tragic death aside, even if Leia featured in Episode IX I would still be of the opinion that the sequel trilogy has lost its main focus in having these new films solely focused on the conflict of a Skywalker protagonist. Yes, we have Kylo Ren as Ben Solo and yes he comes from the Skywalker bloodline but (and this is key) he isn't/wasn't portrayed or sold to us as the audience that he was the protagonist of the sequel trilogy no he was the villain and Rey was the protagonist. Whatever you opinion is of the Rey Skywalker theory, its fair to say that for us as a majority we were led to believe that after Episode VII Rey had a significant (past) connection to Luke we just didn't have the solid proof but the illusions, similarities, scene set up, story arc etc. were all pointing to Rey Skywalker and thus would've made the most sense considering that these new films would show the continued conflict of the Skywalker family with this new generation through Rey and Ben being cousins. I personally saw great poerty in that line of story writing but alas it seems that theory has been debunked unless JJ can make a serious 180 on Johnson's "reveal" through the words of Kylo Ren, a known manipulator and liar but that argument is for another day. Bottom line is from my point of view we've always had a Skywalker who wears the Skywalker name as the protagonist representing the light and him/her battling with themselves or a bigger enemy (the Empire) and that's how it should've continued (just my opinion). If we're genuinely to believe Ben is the Skywalker protagonist of these new films then its a complete copy and paste of Anakin/Darth Vader's story from the Original Trilogy. And another redemption arc story that's already been done and seen before through the eyes of Vader and Luke but hey, at least Luke was Vader's son thus a Skywalker (protagonist). It's just a damn shame what they've done with Rey's character (just my opinion don't hate me). Her being the first Skywalker protagonist (Leia never went by the Skywalker name & Luke was the main character) had such amazing potential and would've brought new life to the story through the eyes of a daughter trying to discover the past of her father and family she never knew. As i've said before we were all led on by Disney that this was the case, even people who weren't avid Star Wars fans who came out of Episode VII we're all of the opinion that Rey was Luke's daughter. It would've made the most sense to anyone who follows the Star Wars method of story telling with the Skywalker Saga. Rey Skywalker representing the light Ben Solo representing the dark. A duel of cousins so to speak but nope we were robbed. I honestly feel for JJ and wish him the best of luck for Episode IX I really do.
I actually think having Ben/Kylo die in the sequel trilogy, thus ending the Skywalker line, COULD be a powerful piece of storytelling. The Force essentially created a being to restore balance and after a mere three generations, the Force was done with them, and the line is dead. This could be particularly effective if Kylo were to help affect some kind of paradigm shift in our understanding of the Force. (Based on the current direction of SW storytelling, I sincerely doubt this will happen, but there's always hope.) If that were the plan, it would have made more sense to show Rey turning to the Dark Side while Kylo abandoned it. If Rian Johnson wanted to subvert expectations, THAT'S the way to do it. In fact, it almost seemed as if that's what was going to happen in TLJ. If you compare Kylo and Rey throughout the film, Kylo is calm, collected, and dispassionate throughout while Rey seems to continually give in to her emotions, particularly negative emotions. When she's fighting in Snoke's throne room, just look at the rage on her face while she kills the guards...then look at Kylo's face; he displays absolutely no emotion. Even they way they fight is the exact opposite of how they SHOULD; Rey is aggressive, going out of her way to attack while Kylo fights almost totally defensively, quietly and calmly dispatching any enemies who come close to him. Even in Rey and Kylo's Force DMs, Rey is yelling, angry, full of hate while Kylo approaches her with dispassion and calm. Kylo is ACTUALLY acting like Jedi while Rey is acting like a dark sider. Imagine how unexpected that would have been. That's almost Vader claiming to be Luke's father level of unexpected. Then, at the end of the film, Kylo returns to his mother, begs forgiveness, and rededicates himself to the Light, while Rey goes on a rampage and kills off the rest of the First Order, falling completely despite "helping" the Resistance survive. Then Episode IX would have to be a story told entirely on a personal level as Kylo/Ben confronts Rey to either redeem her or kill her. (I can't take credit for all of that. Anti-Trekker posted a lengthy review of TLJ in which he mentioned the Rey/Kylo switch; I just expanded on it a little.)
I see where you're coming from but I highly doubt Kennedy and Disney would've mapped out Rey's character from the beginning as her representing the light only then for her to turn to the dark side as its already been done and seen before through the eyes of Anakin/Darth Vader. But again, I see your point. I wouldn't have gone so far as to say Ben/Kylo was "dispassionate and calm" yes, he wasn't necessarily as vocally angry like Rey was (and she had every right to be) but Ben/Kylo is a trained manipulator and liar. He's to target and exploit his enemies weakness and to later use it to further his own gain. It's a trademark sign of one fallen to the Dark Side one in which Rey so far is unfamiliar with, thus is unaware its happening on her (her parents "reveal"). Yes Rey yells, is angry and expresses her moments of hatred towards Ben/Kylo and Luke during parts of TLJ, but one can hardly judge her too harshly for that and her hatred is justified. For Ben/Kylo killing Han and turning his back on a family that loved him and for Luke who up and ran away from everything and everyone when the Galaxy and his sister needed him the most. Rey is still young to the ways of the Force and young herself in how best to channel and discipline her emotion and rage but she is learning and will put her natural skills to fight for good as it seems. But as i've said before, all of this would've had a much greater impact on her had she been revealed as the secret Skywalker of the sequel trilogy like her father once was. But that's just my honest opinion, we'll see how JJ best handles that in IX.
Actually, within the Star Wars universe and the mythos created over 40 years ago, we can judge her behavior specifically: It's literally the Dark Side. Hatred is NEVER justified for a Jedi. Period. That's the whole point of the Jedi - dispassionate detachment. Rey demonstrates the exact opposite of that, not once, but (as you point out) throughout the entire film. And there is no leeway given for acting with anger, hatred, aggression regardless of the Jedi's level of training or experience with the Force. In fact, the whole reason the Jedi took infants to be trained was so they wouldn't have the opportunity to act with those emotions before they learned of their connection to the Force...because it would ruin them before they were able to train. The fact that Rey's story and behavior is blatantly contradicting the established mythos is part of the problem. As far as the Force is concerned, Jedi NEVER have the "right" to be angry or to experience hatred.
I love this video and must have watched it more than several times. As a star wars fan, I love your thoughts on the nuances and how the newer movies have really changed. Please do more comparative analysis videos or just more movies that are truly picked apart :) thank you, Jeremy.
Some clarification for the part where I said "...I always felt Star Wars was pretty agnostic when it came to social issues".
I was not saying Star Wars never used world issues or events as inspiration for its story telling, (Nazis, Vietnam, etc), but illustrating there is a difference between using events of the past to inspire your storytelling art, and using your storytelling art to inspire change in your present day.
It seems in the past, if you wanted to see Star Wars as simply the fun space adventure, you could. If you wanted to see allegory you could, but I always felt the delivery was crafted through a looking glass of the past, not a magnifying glass of the present.
Granted the execution and reception of current Star Wars politics and past Star Wars politics might have more to do with social media, but that's another conversation. I wish I had gone into more detail about this in particular, and "agnostic" isn't the word I should have used in hindsight, but you can't edit a video post upload, but thank goodness for the ability to pin a comment.
Jeremy Jahns that's very true. I haven't heard anyone compare it that way but I think it explains why so many are rallying against the new movies.
LEarn how to speak in complete sentences without editing, you moron!
Very well said. So far I think Rogue One has done the best job with retaining the fun spirit of Star Wars, while having serious themes.
It didn't revel in on-the-nose twitter fueled snark or subverting fan expectations in a reactionary way. TLJ was flagrant in that regard. Was it surprising? Sure. But the shock of surprise wears off fast.
Nearly every choice made for the sake of unpredictability and "killing the past" resulted in a story that is no longer interesting or intriguing. No one I know cares about how the trilogy will end any more... and that can't be good for business.
Well said Jeremy. This video has given me a newfound respect for you
*T H I S*
'This is gonna piss off half of you.'
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
Rex Longfellow I see what you did ;)
Haha
👌
This does put a smile on my face. I hope they remember you.
Thanos? Is that you?
I'm crying from laughter!
"But we took risks."
"F*cking your friend's wife is a risk too, but it doesn't make it a good one!"
Lmao that was epic
I agree with 100% on everything you said.
Also hitting on her to lmao.
"your wife's friend", not
"your friend's wife".
Although, you shouldn't f-k either )))
I think it safe to say that Disney is mishandling Star Wars, not just in the cinematic department, but in other things as well!
Like - What are the 2 things that Disney made with SW video games after acquiring the franchise?
1) Shutting down Lucas Arts.
2) Giving the license for future SW games to EA - One of the most corrupt and hated companies in the gaming industry!
Honestly, letting EA handle the games is like the biggest crime Disney could've done to Star Wars.
There is a group of elite people hell bent on destroying the USA, and every memory of her. The Disney corp is just doing what their bosses want, which is to destroy one of the biggest American made franchises, and that is Star Wars and Lucas Films. Their next step is to destroy American made Marvel comics. And, Disney is throwing everything they can to destroy Time Warner in hopes to get DC and destroy those American properties as well.
They mishandle *almost everything they have made!* Look at Hercules!
Exactly
Yur, fucking killed star wars games.
I never thought I'd see the day where I don't see a Star Wars movie on the opening night. I still haven't seen Solo and have no excitement for the next episode.
Same here. And I grew up with SW, I saw every single movie in the theater since 1977. Now I've lost interest. Move along.
I saw Solo. In the end, almost ironically, it was fine. Won’t blame you for skipping it, though. It’s not a necessity.
Me too. never thought i would lack enthusiasm for a Star Wars movie. Bravo Disnney in killing the excitement.
Rogue one is the last good Star Wars movie I watched.
Pterotactical half the fandom probably feels the same as you
I really do feel bad for Jake Lloyd. Dude didn't deserve the hate. Folks were so blinded by their hate that they didn't realize that they were spouting profanity at a little kid.
3DSDF Honestly a greater tragedy than Darth Plagueis.
The toxicity of Star Wars fans is almost unrivalled.
which is why I don't like Star Wars fans.
NotDarth Maul
The DC fanbase is a close second too. Whether or not you like the films, we can at least agree that the hate Snyder and even Ayer has gotten is unreal and unwarranted. I’ve seen people say that they hope those don’t get another job in Hollywood. It’s like how folks still hate Schumacher for making Batman & Robin.
They are close too but at least that fanbase is mostly unified after JL in their dislike for that film. Episode IX will be a tipping point for either side of the Star Wars fanbase.
George Lucas: WOW I made a mistake with Jar Jar Binks
Disney: Hold my blue milk
Neale Misquitta Completely irrelevant
OMG HAHAHAHA YES!!!
Only one mistake by George Lucas??? XD
... Except Lucas still doesn't think he made a mistake with Binks.
But nice try.
Jar Jar Binks: I'm the worst character in the series.
Rose Tico: Hold my beer.
L3-37: Get your presumptuous ass off my seat.
I could have excused Leia pulling a Mary Poppins through space. I could have excused that painfully long side-quest of Finn and Rose through the big mean capitalist utopia. I could have excused Rey being stupidly powerful for no discernible reason.
I could even have excused that travesty that was Admiral Gender-Studies *extremely unprofessional* attitude towards Poe, and the contrived plot of her not telling him the plan when all their lives *hinge on her plan*
But what I will *never* forgive. What I *refuse* to accept, is turning Luke Skywalker, the HOPE of the rebellion, the ETERNAL OPTIMIST, the BELIEVER IN REDEMPTION, that he just *pussies* out of the galaxy, and lets it go to shit after trying to *murder his nephew because he was having a bad dream*
The man who said this: "I cannot kill my own father. There is good in him."
Also was like this: "THE BOY IS HAVING BAD THOUGHTS, BETTER KILL HIM."
Akiraspin luke skywalker became a broken man. Somehow thats a nutty concept. Moral ambiguity exists, luke skywalker is not the pinnacle of absolute moral superiority.
SoyBoyLibtard224 it was in no way set up. Such a massive change in character must be justified. The film fails to adequately do this.
Hi! We're promoting you because your boss got seriously messed up, and really all of us could if you screw it up! Oh also, this is Po, he just lost our entire bomber fleet and was demoted by the last boss... he also wants to know everything we are up to right now.
"... well I'm not telling him shit, I'm gonna go focus on my plan without the demoted-fleet-loosing-guy." is what I would probably say as a dude too...
Akiraspin It was a instant reaction to seeing the dark side in Ben but when he realized what he was doing was wrong the damage had been done it was to late. I also think it’s explores a vulnerable side of Luke a human side.
the88mph A bunch of shitty bombers, that were not so cleverly disguised as a reference to B-17s bombers, for a modern "fleet destroyer" which would have blown them out of the sky before the slow moving bombers could return to the ship and, in hindsight, saved their asses since the First Order tracked them.
Jeremy I am glad that you are talking about it
Jonathan Green I'm curious as to why you care about what he does. We live in a world where people have computers in their pockets all day long. Is it really that hard to pop on UA-cam when you get a notification and make a comment? Waste of a comment.
Jonathan Green he is everywhere means you're everywhere too
Just speaking for myself, it started back in The Force Awakens, when Leia bypasses Chewbacca and goes to hug Rey upon their return. Just going to say it, that hurt to see. But, I thought, whatever. Fast forward to TLJ, the incredible buildup of Rey holding out Luke's lightsaber and he..what. Throws it over his shoulder?? Right there I *knew* Star Wars had gone in a new direction, one that I was not interested in traveling. No hate towards anyone but Lucasfilm does not get any more of my money. Like what you like - and I will do the same.
MrMike11233 for me it was when they killed off Han Solo in the most stupidest way possible, not in a epic sacrifice way but instead getting killed by his Annoying son ugh...
For me it was when I kept predicting what was going to happen scene after scene after scene in TFA, it was surreal, I couldn't believe what I was watching. I knew then that this Lucasfilm is creatively bankrupt, the following movies only reinforced that fact...
Rey and Leia knew each other for like 5 minutes...
AndJusticeforAll567 No she didn't at all. That was literally the first time they met.
Waited two whole years for an epic moment of him to toss it. That was a "WTF???" moment if I hadn't heard that it had happened. I was accusing folks of making the movie up. Seriously. Disney SW is an alternate timeline. EU and the OT is the real SW.
"Yeah, fucking your wife's friend is a risk, that doesn't make it good."
I laughed so hard
It sure as hell feels good though.
You sound like you're speaking from experience....
Whole family gave up after TLJ. No one bothered to see Solo, and no one's even taking off work for EP9.
Wow you were really optimistic. Star wars was over for me after tfa
About half way through TLJ I knew sw was over
Please do not even go to EP9. Boycott Star Wars and demand Kennedy’s resignation.
boycott please
While flawed, I liked the prequels for the fact that they expanded (in film) what was mostly a small galaxy into an expansive universe
Same.
I loved Clone Wars, but wasn't interested too much on THE Clone Wars, or Rebels. I got too watch all clone Wars episodes before Ep III was released.
Josh Margolis same here, they expanded on so much lore and backstory, not to mention the comics and video games and tv shows etc. that they spawned.
Um, no. The prequels were badly written, poorly paced and recycled stuff over and over ... like poetry.
cruizerdave you can't tell me something I haven't already heard about why the prequels suck. I honestly don't care anymore
The prequels were bad but I will give it this, it allowed the expanded universe to be birthed. The Old Republic Era came into existence because of the prequels which it has my respect.
Fans: the senate will decide your fate
Kennedy: I am the senate
Sultan Fans: not yet
Nicholas Barsanti Kennedy: It’s treason then
UNLIMMMITED POWERRRRRR
Fans: The oppression of your feminist agenda will never return. You have lost!
*DISNEY FAN:* No! You must keep Kathleen Kennedy!*MACE:* She's de-canonized the Expanded Universe and silenced the fans! *SHE'S TOO DANGEROUS TO BE LEFT IN CHARGE OF LUCASFILM!*
Han Solo, after the original films, lived a life of failure. Failed as a father, husband and eventually as a smuggler. Killed by his son that he loved. A sad death.
Luke, failed as a teacher, Jedi, uncle, and brother. Indirectly responsible or the death of billions. Succeeded only in the end saving maybe 20 people?
Leía failed as a politician, general, and mother. And any success she has in the next film will be off screen. And a failed promise as a character with the force.
The characters that we the fans loved all failed. And have symbolic at best success in the films.
I don’t understand how they could do this and not alienate some fans. Doesn’t mean there is any right disrespectful to the folks who make these movies. But I believe that is a root of all the anger. The sadness that we feel to how these characters were treated has hardened to anger. I’m just bummed. Wish I like this direction, but I don’t. Wish the folks at Lucas well. But this universe is not for me anymore.
Roberto Robert Maybe if people at Lucasfilm didn't turn around and insult those disappointed by TLJ
Refraining from being insulting to you customers might have helped
Oh yeah it is truly depressing how they treated these legendary fantasy heroes that had a bit of tarnish but we’re still brightly gold. Now they’re all dead and as you said remembered as failures. I don’t need to see these movies anymore.
Kill the old beloved ones and make me not care about the new ones, this is basically the Disney Star Wars.
Roberto Robert didnt you guys watch the end of the last jedi? Did you only care about the characters feats or as you said their optimistic personality? Fucking grow up..you are all babies..a super vocal minority of trolls and man babies..all the complaints are bullshit
@ geo, "Fucking grow up..", were you trolling, or do you actually have so little self awareness as to cry like a baby while calling others babies?
Dude Jeremy because of THIS - 5:53-6:25 - I just subbed. Myself also guilty as charged. Thx for your honesty , humility, and self awareness.
Disney has made life-long SW fans like me actually hate the new movies. I don´t even acknowledge them as canon in my mind. TLJ was the biggest punch on the face to a fanbase ever. I´m so glad that Solo is flopping, hope Kathleen is sacked off in the near future.
Guille I'm 20, been watching since I was 4 and then bam Disney ruined it for me
Guille Agreed
Even bigger punch in the face than Mass Effect 3's ending or Andromeda? (joke aside, I am genuinely curious; I haven't seen TLJ yet due to budget reasons)
If Disney aren't paying attention to the fans, they mostly certainly are now. Thanks Jeremy for addressing this!
SKYMAN UNIVERSE I don't agree. They are stubborn and will not give in.
If they're stupid they'll stay in their little echo chamber and wonder why the biggest film franchise of all time is failing, and never know why because they just think they're right
I highly doubt that a single video will make them change anything.
Vincent Novotny how about losing hundreds of millions in profit? Because that just happened. And it degraded the Star Wars brand name just like TLJ did.
Disney and Lucasfilm are still getting a mixture of reactions. A lot of people seem to think the solution is an "origin story" about whatever character, but they're just setting themselves up for more disappointment. Oversaturating with separate storylines isn't the way. The saga trilogy was already mucked up anyway because of Carrie Fisher's real death and whacking the character of Han Solo in "The Force Awakens." Reminds me of Kathleen Kennedy's own words back when a fourth Jurassic Park movie was put on hold after Michael Crichton died, saying his death took the wind out of their sails and they weren't into it anymore (for a while, anyway).
Amazing video Jeremy! Thanks for making it, I agree 100%
I'm not even a fan, but God the storytelling and the character development in 7 and especially 8 was just completely nonexistent or off.
Yeah, I could somewhat stomach TFA, but TLJ was the last straw and where I drew the line!
Because you are such a clever writer that knows exactly what makes Star Wars or anything good... Who are you again ?
GEEKFOREVER
Lol that was a terrible response
@@alfa01spotivo Why? Why was that a terrible response? It's a pretty good question. If you're gonna criticize something then at least have some knowledge of said something.
Otherwise you're just blowing dust out of your ass.
@@mahchestro9144 This is like stating because I'm a professional illustrator no one who has at least a talent in drawn art should question my quality or have a right to value it. Better remember to tell that to all my clients who make very clear demands for me. . .
That is not how the world works. If I eat food, despite not exactly being a chef, am I not allowed to point out something is under-cooked, mouldy, or even the wrong order entirely?
The only way to improve is to take and evaluate criticism. It's a form of evolution. By all means take majority with a grain, but that doesn't mean people should shut up and accept The Last Jedi as some kind of masterpiece.
No means a big Star Wars fan, didn't even mind The Force Awakens. I did notice no training Rey maybe kicking too much ass. Or Light Sabers now just not being overly lethal like before. Luke also was just present to collect a paycheck. But I think any level of movie goer can tell The Last Jedi had problems. More so than Attack of the Clones.
"let the past die, kill it if you have to"
"Oh, great, F you too"
Pretty much the best description of Disney v. the Fans I have ever heard.
true
oh the nihilism is strong with this movie
The person who said that is literally the villain in the movie. How stupid are you people? Are you just incapable of critical thought?
ibigrooster11
Yes, he is
What's the final theme for ep.9 I wonder..
"I think your heart's in the right place but your head's up your ass."
OOOOOOOH, SNAP! That's gotta be one of your best lines Jeremy!
The Last Jedi is if they made a new Middle Earth trilogy after Lord of the Rings where Aragorn turns out to be a POS king. He runs away to Moria because Gondor was a bad idea. A NEW Dark Lord, who is basically Sauron named "Bloke", suddenly shows up and is more powerful than Sauron. It goes unexplained where he was during LOTR. He ALSO sets his army up in Mordor with orcs that only look SLIGHTLY different. Instead of an unlikely hero like Frodo, who is great because of what he chooses to DO, we get a strong female character who is only great because of her magic powers. She kills Bloke in the 2nd movie of the trilogy, dethrones Aragorn, and does all this without struggle. But you only think that sounds dumb because you hate women.
gsimon123 you forgot when she beat gandalf in one on one combat then became a vala in middle earth cause reasons. I don't even wanna say what she did wit the ring hash tag female gollum.
Well she does magic better than Gandalf it's true. But she also shoots a bow better than Legolas, wields and axe better than Gimli, and can simply walk into Mordor. She did all of this without training I might add. It's also important to note SHE is the one to give advice to Gandalf about how he's been screwing up and how she's got to go save Middle Earth on her own without him now. That's how awesome of a character she is...
Be quiet don't give them any ideas...
I love the bad guy called "Bloke" lol
gsimon123
I can already see the dialogue from it now;
New Boromir: 'A man does simply walk into Mordor...'
*Strong Woman interrupts*
Strong Woman: 'lucky I'm not a man then!'
*pause for laughter*
The biggest mistake Star Wars made is ignoring the Extended Universe.. They literally have 100's of stories that they could pull from, ideas that they could utilise to build the franchise, but they do nothing with them. The MCU exists because of the comics, they cherry pick ideas they love and use them to fill out their own original ideas. Star Wars could do the same, but instead they don't have a clue what to do. They keep looking to the past films and it's just not satisfying.
ElricBro the EU was trash you know it
@@legotech101 The EU wasn't trash. I understand the complications in trying to reconcile all of it together into a cohesive and consistent narrative. But to say it was trash is ludicrous. They could have used the EU characters and history and brought that to life on the screen, in the same way as the MCU has done from the comics. That would have been amazing, especially the Timothy Zahn novels. The Jaina and Jacen story would have been 1000 times better than the hacked up mashed up frankenstein thing that is EPS VII - IX. And then as a big ole FU to the fandom they not only said nah, we are going somewhere "new", all those novels and comics you bought, all the merchandise involving EU properties...that's all fan fiction.
They fkd up big
If they kept it canon, they would not have had enough freedom to create new movies and believe it or not : MANY people aren't familiar with the expanded universe. The expanded universe must be a bonus and the movies must NOT depend on it.
The only movie that made that mistake was SOLO by putting MAUL in it and what did that lead to ? People getting confused on why is a guy that DIED in the previous movies still alive after all these years. Heck, even people who watched both Clone Wars and Rebels didn't understand how he got here.
Well if you read Marvel comics you would know the MCU overly retell those stories to fit the screen. And not always for the better, some are even weakened to spite the Fox counter part (Age of Ultron)
Take Homecoming for example, I don't recall Peter being a crying b+^%> relying on Tonys A.I. and even crying for his name. And that's not even going into how much the MCU has butchered Flash Thompson. A character the late and great Stan Lee loved creating character development for has resulted into "Parker Pe^%$"
Thanks for saying this in an intelligent and approachable way. It is an issue, it does need to be talked about and it's far too easy for movie studios to try to paint everyone as racist / sexist / misogynist for not being wholly supportive and lovestruck by every character, joke and plot element. It doesn't help that there are a few muppets out there who do phrase their arguments in unpleasant ways making it easy for studios to cherry pick examples of bad reviewers.
For me, the original movies do feel disrespected. Characters have been neutered, killed off-screen, diluted, and assassinated to make way for political messages dressed up as characters. I've nothing against the idea of a female Jedi, I'd have *loved* to see a Mara Jade / Jedi Leia / Jaina Solo character in there, but Rey's come from nothing, and is effortlessly a better pilot than Han, and a better Jedi than Luke, and just doesn't feel like a real person. "The Force is Female" slogan is needlessly divisive.
They also feel rushed and like they're shrinking the universe (which apparently ONLY contains Star Destroyers, Death Stars, TIE Fighters Jedi, X-Wings and "Yo momma" jokes)
Five planets blown up in Episode 7. Zero response from the rest of the galaxy. 95% of the Rebellion wiped out in Episode 8. How are we at episode EIGHT and talking about a "spark" that'll ignite a flame? If you're reduced that much by episode 8, you're not a spark, you're a dying ember.
Hope Disney listens and weaves their politics naturally back into just being the subtext as opposed to being the ONLY message these movies put across.
Yep I'm aware and have seen some videos like that. My feed is *full* of it, and by this point, I'm a little tired of it.
WorldClassBullshitters has *26* Star Wars related videos on page ONE of his channel. Guess how many of them are positive.
If that's not milking the backlash, I dunno what is. :p
Jeremy's phrased it in an intelligent way that invites discussion and thought, and it's refreshing to see it summed up without the venom of some of the newer channels that have popped up, or being divided into a multi-part eight video series. :P
Couldn't have put it better myself. It really makes me appreciate the prequels though.
Great comment
Yeah. I love Star Wars, or I should say loved. Star Wars feels like a soulless product now. It lost it's heart.
It also feels a bit like being in a relationship with an abusive partner. After so many years of disappointment with the last truly good movie being Return of the Jedi I've finally had enough. Star Wars' spell over me is broken. Now I just don't care anymore.
They're only movies now. Before they felt as though they transcended being just a movie and were like some sort of social phenomenon.
Entrancement
Some very good points made and I agree, especially with your second point. After reading a lot of the expanded universe with some great character developments and adventures for the characters I loved in SW, it is difficult to adjust to the new Disney narrative where the characters have all failed and had their lives fall apart since the OT, only for them to return in the sequels as different characters who are only there to be killed off for the sake of adding drama. I never imagined watching ROTJ that that was the end of those characters' stories, only that is was an end of that chapter and the beginning of a new.
No matter if you 100% agree with the message, no normal human being goes into a Star Wars movie hoping to see their politics represented.
Ironically, people take Star Wars more seriously than politics.
Chris Hansen and they didnt in the past movies until they started to shove it in peoples faces now to push an agenda that people are sick and tired of hearing 24 hours a day
Chris Hansen Women agenda.
damn you are one blind slave !
Darth Vanquish you realize that SW has always been about politics?
"Your heart is in the right place, but your head 's up your ass."
Pretty much all of the 2010s.
The Last Jedi made me appreciate the Prequels....more
For me, nope. They still suck. But now they've got to dig to reach for the bottom (the sequels).
I’ve always loved the prequels, they’re the best era. The sequels aren’t even cannon George (the creator of Star Wars) had nothing to do with them.
tyler norton where the hell are you getting your sources from 😂
@tyler norton have a look at the fan reviews on rt its shite the movie is horrible
I've always loved the Prequels
"Let the past die." "Oh great, f u too." Hahah AMEN!
Billy Ziggler and that’s why ‘fans’ hate these films.
Its hilarious that they hammered that, while the new trailer completely backtracks that message with hey LOOK at the past! We got Lando! We got Palpatine! Just laughable
@@ram76921 Well, yeah. Did *anyone* other than Kennedy and her goons realize it? I think JJ's doing what he can to fix it.
Me: "ah, good old nostalgia!"
Disney: "hol up while we kill that for you."
The Originals: Great concepts, great execution
The Prequels: Great concepts, the execution could have been much better
Disney's Sequels: Horrible concepts, mediocre execution.
The prequels, all 3 of them, rank as the worse movies I have ever seen. Complete garbage, no redeeming qualities about any of them. The prequels are what ruined Star Wars for me. I'm not sure what 'great concept' you see in the prequels... I don't see it.
I'll have to disagree. I don't think there was any good concept there at all. And I hated the unnecessary connections to the original trilogy. I thought the prequels got worse with each one. Phantom Menace was absolutely terrible, then Attack of the Clones somehow managed to be even worse, then Revenge of the Sith managed to outdo them all and be the worse of all.
It is mind boggling to me, that anyone can find something redeemable in the prequels. To each his own, I guess. Cheers.
I don't know anyone who hated Revenge of the Sith. Most people I know herald it as a top 3 film in the franchise. I'm curious why you think its the worst.
It took me 4 tries to get through Revenge Of The Sith. Each time I had to stop watching because it was so uninteresting. You should watch Red Letter Media's reviews of the prequels. They also agree that each prequel was worse than the one before it. Cheers.
if nothing else it fleshed out the universe with some awesome lore
Took the words right out of my mouth. Couldn't be more spot on. I refuse to accept that what happened in TLJ was planned from the beginning of the new sequels. There is NO flow and cohesion while completely ruining mystery that fueled TFA. TLJ is also a poorly edited mess that jumps from mediocre story to awful stories.
To be fair, TFA wasn’t that good either. It was just a remash of ANH and ESB
Say what you will about the flow between TFA and TLJ, but I totally disagree about the editing of TLJ and calling it a mess. I think the cinematography is beautiful and a lot of the scenes really click with me. I was gripped for most of the movie too (even though the Canto Bight scene was a bit of a drag), so I don't think editing was a problem.
yeah but it followed the originals so you know it couldn't be that bad but TLJ was a huge mess with bad writing and poor execution
Disagree. Sure it wasn't super original but it was mostly good and enjoyable.
Dan Bosca- I felt the exact same way about the series finale of Samurai Jack! Almost word for word what you said! Only instead of Mediocre story, it jumped from an excellent amazing story to awful in just 2 eps!!
I believe we all should forgive GL for making the prequels.
At least, he was still trying to entertain us, not trying to fill our heads with BS.
@happosai27 I like episode 1 and episode 3.
@@mrfinch5246 I like the stuff with Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Jango Fett, the arena battle and the subsequent battle against Count Dooku in Episode 2.
Disney’s just trying to do the same thing, it’s not their fault you people are so contradictory and hard to understand.
Shadowkey392 no they are not! Their main focus is money and sjw propaganda
Crooks n brooks well for money it’s somewhat understandable. They spent 4 billion so they wanted to show investors that they’d be making that back easily and then some.
As for SJW, as what the video mentions, it’s noted there but it’s not tied to the plot and when I watch I just analyze the plot and see how choppy it is and the purpose of it. The plot for TLJ was poorly executed, but the plot for TFA was linear and understandable and left a decent cliff hanger that RJ threw out more or less.
The original trilogy was social justice commentary done right. How strong of a feminist message can you get when Slave Leia chokes her captor with the very chain she's bound to? Or when she takes matters into her own hands and starts gunning down storm troopers. Today's social justice is so superficial. It truly reflects the narcissism that underlies the current ideologies that plague this generation.
Funny thing is, they were just trying to get Carrie into that costume. They weren't even trying.
A "sexist" act ended up to being a strong anti-Slavery + Female empowerment scene
MegaAnitoon today's social justice also gives us blend characters like Ray who have no arc because she automatically the best at everything already
That's not Social Justice because Leia gets captured four times, and she gets objectified by Jabba putting her in a bikini.
Silly misogynistic Pig! The real strong female protagonist would never be captured she would just look at the evil worm what's-his-name and he would've killed himself.
Haven't you heard? The strength and drama comes from no challenge at all.
You don't have to try just be. Future generations will look at the posturing the way we look at using at sanitariums and Europeans who believed washing was bad for ur health. Silly cultural stuff with unpleasant consequences...
Great video. Glad to hear a bigger channel address this. Geeks & Gamers gave you a shout out for this video.
Yeah I come from G&G as well. Good to see the truth coming out about Disney’s pile of s**t
Nicholas Glenn I also showed up from G&G. Now I am going to watch more of Jeremy's stuff. May very well sub!
Yea
Nicholas Glenn g and g brought me here as well..this dude in the video is doing the whole UA-camr vlogger dumbed down personality thing..i hate how they edit the video and talk super fast with that same annoying voice so I can't subscribe however I did enjoy the video and I agreed with everything he said..so I'm not mad at him :)
*Lucasfilms* pile of shit
The prequels regardless of their quality were still definitively STAR WARS films. They felt like Star Wars. And George Lucas's world building was still extraordinary.
Disney's Star Wars feel like they take place in someone's backyard. "Move the grill John, we've got to make room for the Starkiller base!"
Lucas' plan is working. He sold the franchise to Disney, knowing they'd fuck things up. And now the fans are turning on them and are rethinking their judgment on the prequels.
That evil bastard has done it.
I have been a Star Wars fan since 1977. I have seen every movie in theaters multiple times. I agree with most of this video except when he talks about the fan backlash for the prequels. Yeah, us older fans didn't like them as much as the OT, but we STILL WENT. All 3, opening night, multiple times. And whether you liked them or not, we were all Star Wars fans and we talked about our disagreements with the movies civilly, for the most part. This time, we are not going to see the movies anymore. And if you DARE express your "displeasure" with Disney's handling of the franchise, there is no civil discussion, it IMMEDIATELY turns into a screeming fit where I find out I'm a racist, sexist, bigot who isn't a real fan. Sometimes it's actual LFL employees who decide to insult me. That's nice.
LFL under Kathleen Kennedy's leadership has completely broken the fandom and harmed the brand. This cannot continue.
Loki Fults this post makes me shed a tear, because it is too true. I remember being excited about star wars, but the new films siphoned the excitement out and replaced it with divisiveness and the need to push an agenda at the cost of the writing. I was excited to see episode 7's premiere, because I grew up with star wars. Tho I wasn't born when the OT came out I watched it many times as a kid when it was on dvd with my dad (who actually did watch them when they first came out). It has a feeling of nostalgia, that is now unfortunately muddied, and all I have now is a bad taste in my mouth.
They were HORRIBLE FILMS...geezus...you 90's babies...Look, every damn prequel movie was a disappointment because the WAY in which Lucas illustrated his stories was done in a way that wasn't compatible with cinema....they would've been awesome cartoon, however....but they're live-action, so there's certain things you have to install to make it a worthwhile movie....that's why The Matrix did far better than The Phantom Menace, when those two films came out in 1999....
NIcholas Davis noone is arguing the QUALITY of the prequels, it's the fact that despite being bad they at least felt like Star Wars.
I’m from the future, Episide 9 is bad
vik saggu Watching it tomorrow. Wish me luck. Wanna see how this bullshit ends...
K-LA-K i hope you like it because i didnt
Very bad
9 was way better than 7 and 8.
Elias Crooker all of them were disappointing
Me friend thought suicide squad was GOOD. The same person, my friend, who NEVER looks up reviews could point out the main fundamental flaws of The Last Jedi like the casino scene, Lea space flying, Rose saving NO ONE, the commander not telling people the plan, etc. If you can't fool someone that likes Suicide Squad into liking your movie, you've done something terribly wrong.
Starbursts
Hahahaha thats how you know its bad. But imo Squad is just a tad bit worse
well film is subjective... if they are more a DC fan, they may be predisposed to liking the suicide squad :) hehe
Your friend is like a reverse Armond White xd
The thing with the prequels, as much as I dislike the first two, they still are a Star Wars movie.
They are good fun, and let us explore the different worlds like Naboo, Kashyyyk, Utapu, Kamino, Genosis, ect...
We got to see cool characters like Maul, Dooku, Jango, the Clones, all the different Jedi, and Grievous.
There were emotionally involved scenes like Order 66 and Anakin and Obi-Wan's final conversation.
I haven't felt any of this from Disney's movies. The planets they visit are either similar to Earth, or just rehashes of the OT planets like Jakku (Tatooine) and Crait (Hoth). It seems like they've condensed the universe, and it doesn't really feel like star wars to me...
Wait, you mean the great Jedi going down like punks in order 66 or the stilted dialogue between Anakin and Obi-Wan? Come on, man, the prequels were garbage (and ROTS was probably the biggest stinker of them all). It's just that contrary to all expectations (corporate leadership, capable screenwriters, capable directors, and, well, no Lucas) the recent additions to the saga turned out to be so crappy, as to make even the prequels look good. But that's just relative, you know...
ifikrates They "went down like punks" because they were either outnumbered or caught off guard .And prequels were never garbage those are great movies
Well, if your position is that the prequels were great movies, I consider myself relieved from the obligation to continue this debate any further.
Lol cool characters....who speak in cringe and don't actually do anything cool. Anakin and obi wans last convo is hilariously awful. To hear J suddenly prop those films up, because like many others, he can't handle a nuanced star war, is also hilariously bad.
Dain L "Who speak in cringe" ...like Poe dameron and his garbage jokes ? And what cool things the new characters did ? Learning to use the force in one second and flying like superman ? Or you probably think drinking green milk from an alien cow is cool
It's not the same as the prequels. George Lucas never called the fans racists, sexists or man babies.
Francis Donaghy exactly! !
Who said racists sexist or man babies
Francis Donaghy well once he did say basement dwellers. But that was for the backlash against Jar Jar but he attacked the audience and said they were racist or sexist. So you're right.
farrel mukhesh Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, Freddie Prince Jr, Pablo Hidalgo, and a lot of people who are involved in Disney's Star Wars
I mean, if you're not any of those things, why would you be offended?
I wish we never got a new SW trilogy. I remember being a kid and thinking about what the origonal heroes were doing after Return of the Jedi. I'm also sad that all those comics are not cannon anymore...
They still exist. If fandoms are good at anything, it's creating their own fanon or accepting fanon. Choose what you love, be it canon or not.
Yeah my head canon is all I care about
@@zachanikwano Agreed. I just cherry-pick what I love, and have done so for years. Dark Empire is as much trash to me as the Sequel Trilogy, so I ignored it. I just ignore the ST and have no plans to ever watch it again (or anything related to it).
Timothy zahns episode 7-9 books are my head canon
I move for a vote of No Confidence in Kathleen Kennedy’s leadership
Chris yep
We need Palpatine to fix this mess.
Kathleen Kennedy: "I AM THE SENATE"
A single vote of no confidence? Oh man if I know my prequels she is F*CKED!!!! XP
Well said..👏👏
How you know TLJ destroyed it is that after force Awakens there was theories and hype for what was going to happen next. After TLJ we see none of it nobody cares because they killed the potential. Shame really
Maybe in your echo chamber
It sounds like you're basically saying that you don't like it because what you wanted to happen didn't, what you thought should happen didn't, or what you theorized didn't come true.
Michael Rodriguez
Given it has no basis in reality and the only real "evidence" boils down to "look at these people who agree with me", it sure as hell is
dont care that the theories wasnt true im just saying the hype for the movie was more intense hense the theories. There where mysteries now there are none really
Tons. Try a quick search.
Solo bombed because:
76% of the audience didn't like "The Last Jedi" (according to Rotten Tomatos actual audience score, WITH the half star reviews INCLUDED, which RT drops from its scoring algorithm).
Then, when fans say, "hey, Disney, Lucasfilm, we don't like the hardline feminist and SJW propaganda film direction Kathleen Kennedy (head of Lucasfilm) is taking Star Wars, Kennedy, Rianne Johnson (director of TLJ...and Looper), and others start berating fans (aka customers) on social media.
Then, Disney doubles down with Solo, playing around with Lando's sexuality.
Combine this nonsense with Kennedy telling fans she can do whatever she wants with Star Wars because she's bringing in the big money and people will buy tickets regardless of how her personal agenda invades the film.
What results is fans, customers, keeping their wallets closed. Which brings me to another great Kathleen Kennedy quote, "I don't owe the fans anything. I owe something to the company I work for."
Well, with her mismanagement of the Star Wars franchise and mistreatment of "the company-she-works-for's" customers on social media, hopefully she won't work there much longer.
Another problem Disney needs to address, besides a Lucasfilm management change is they need to hire WRITERS to write the scripts and hire a director to...direct. With Kathleen Kennedy's corrosive meddling, writers could craft agenda and twitter free stories.
Thanks, Mr. Jahns for bringing this story of how Kathleen Kennedy is destroying Star Wars to a wider audience.
Tx240 it's so basic not to insult your customers and yet they'd rather do that than admit a mistake.
She destoryed them so much, the 3 before Solo all made a billion without the help of China much
Christopher Marabella I've seen posts from you in the comments 4 times now, and in each one it seems like you think you made a strong point. I'm here to inform you that you haven't, in fact most of the time they have absolutely nothing to do with the comment you replied to.
I'm quite annoyed that some reports conclude fans are simply suffering from too much star wars fatigue. We just celebrated star wars day and have a scheduled star wars celebration next year. I don't think that's a fatigue. In fact we can't stop talking about it right now. There is no fatigue. Just frustration.
I was never a huge Star Wars fan. I was a fan but not like how some people are. But when force awakens came out I was excited and overall it paid off I enjoyed it. When rogue one came out I was like neat. I watched it and enjoyed it. But when last Jedi came out I was excited and then.... not. It just felt like it wasn’t part of a trioligy and so much wrong. And then solo was announced and I couldn’t care less. I’m all Star Wars out. Add in the ball drop that has been the battlefront games as well and Star Wars is no longer the power house it was. The ball has been dropped to often now and with them pushing such social commentary into their films they don’t even feel like a fun sci fi flick anymore.
The Star Wars name alone isn’t enough to make these films powerhouses anymore.
Kathleen lied to George. Liars are not cool!
Michael S she stabbed him in the back...a nice old man who was donating billions to charity..and she and Bob iger betrayed him
Michael S lol stop
@@fridaynightnicktoons6885 What happened? Dont know what you are talking about.
Michael S damn have u never lied? 😂
There's a difference between the lies which dominate regular civilian life, @@godzilla101188 ... and the lies which are corporate America.
Lucas HATED the corporate structure of film making ... and then he was betrayed by one of his own, Kathy Kennedy, all in the name of: the God Almighty Disney dollar & Democrat ideology.
Thank you for making a video on this.
TFP Radgirl
you're welcome
It isn't about the quality of the movies, the reason why solo tanked is because of the reaction of Lucasfilm to fans after The Last Jedi. They mocked and marginalized the criticism and incensed the fandom.
Classic case of biting the hand that feeds you
chris rucker Disagree. The Last Jedi was awful. The criticism is fair.
you might want to read that again. he was saying the reaction lucas film had to the (fair) criticism and reactions to TLJ was the problem, not that the fans criticism was unwarranted.
TLJ disappointed a lot of people and it definitely affected the number of people who went to see the next movie, even if it's unrelated.
You forget how bigger the mass market who don’t follow interviews and bts are compared to us. We are in minority. It has to do with Solo being place in May and not having Harrison Ford as Han Solo. Probably should of never done this movie since everyone wants Harrison Ford
chris rucker yep think it's backlash from TLJ. I actually enjoyed Solo a lot more. The SJW droid is tongue in cheek it doesn't bother me, the characters were much more true to classic form and didn't really feel a political agenda in it. The humour was better and I enjoyed the smaller scope of the story. Was just more fun
1) TLJ and the general direction of the franchise are hated by many fans. 2) KK is hated by many fans. 3) Avengers and DP2 are competing with it. 4) Memorial Day weekend in the US, people are having BBQs and chilling with family. 5) SW always does poorly in China. 6) Marketing for the film was poor, no hype, and many don't know about it. 7) Not Harrison Ford. 8) Not really a necessary story, no one wanted it and it doesn't connect to the current trilogy. 9) Movies are getting pricey.
10) Widely known production issues. 11) Very "meh" reviews. 12) Big weekend for sports, especially overseas (Champions League final last Saturday night, which is huge all around the world). 13) Last SW movie 5 months ago. Yes, Marvel is succeeding with 3 movies a year, but they have worked hard at building a franchise over 10 years that has rewarded fans. Lucasfilm have a bad relationship with a lot of the fandom currently.
Not a surprising flop.
Mark Hogan very well structured and correct statement. Was about to comment the same thing
KK?
Also people are still pissed over EAs bullshit from last year
@The NerdyDude referring to Kathleen Kennedy
I don't the majority of fans hated the last Jedi, I still think it's in the 70% who liked it and 30% didn't. The 30% is just louder
Jar jar binks > rose
I would take rose any day over jar jar
Rose and Haldo are the 2 worst characters in Star Wars in my opinion
Agreed
@@colematthews8652 you are in luck then! There's plenty of Rose Ticos available pretty much everywhere for a fraction of the cost. You can even have one each week and still not run out for decades to come 😂
At least I'd fuk Jar Jar.
This is literally this first time I have not bothered to go to the cinema to go see a Star Wars movie (Solo) since I started to do so with the prequels 20 years ago. Since Last Jedi, I stopped caring with the new ones. But I save my hopes for an Obi Wan movie with Ewan in it.
gutz1981 I think you should give it a chance my dude. I’m in the same boat as you, I hated all of the new films but I decided to go see Solo for the hell of it and I was shocked at how great it was. It’s easily the best of the new films, just feels like vintage Star Wars, not the new garbage.
Honestly, Solo seemed unnecessary at first, but after watching, its not that bad. Its decent for what it was a reignited my spark for Star Wars again. Its worth a shot
Don't bother. Their making a Star Wars movie for the sake of making a Star Wars movie. It should be no surprise that Disney is trying to make Star Wars into some cinematic universe like Marvel. Star Wars=/=Marvel. Solo is an obvious cash crab.
gutz1981 literally my feelings as well
I really do not want an obi wan they might ruin the character. I'm still not going to see solo, I have the will power to resist.
"But it's Risky! So is banging your wife's friend but it doesn't make it a good thing." - Had me rolling
Solo might be a good movie. I’m open to that. But I don’t know because I’m refusing to go out and see it after the bullshit that was TLJ and, most importantly, the behavior of Kathleen Kennedy and company afterward. She insulted the fans that kept this franchise alive and made the purchase even desirable for Disney to begin with. I’m not giving them my money. I’m done. And I don’t even feel conflicted about it, because TLJ was actual shit. It ruined SW. So I don’t even have to worry that I’m missing anything of quality. Kathleen Kennedy managed to sink what should have been an unsinkable ship. She’s made wrong decision after wrong decision, and she refuses to even admit any of them. She’d rather fling shit at the people who she wants money from. And I know she literally said she doesn’t care or need male fans, but I’m a woman... so, joke is on her.
censor everything you’re missing out, it’s pretty damn good, can’t wait to see it again
Thats fair.
censor everything I cannot disagree with you. Kennedy's arrogance is astounding. I get wanting to garner a new audience, but chucking aside the older fans; the people who supported the franchise thick and thin, bought your merch, helped keep the franchise alive even after the PT. It's like a restaurant owner telling there loyal customers to piss off. It is poor business practice for the sake of an agenda. So yeah; I have no regrets not seeing Solo. If she does not want older fans like me to engage, cool. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Marvel's making great films, anime and manga have been captivating me.
Overall, I truly believe if LucasFilm just swallows some humble pie and admits that there were a group of fans taken aback by TLJ and the current direction and promised to change, I believe that would go a long way. There is only so long people will take being crapped upon before they move on.
I’m proper old school Star Wars. Totally agree with you. Yep not going after TLJ. Not taking my kids. Until they sort their crap out. this family and our money is staying clear
I never could have imagined not seeing a new Star Wars movie a few years ago but like you I don't even find myself being conflicted. Perhaps the poor to average reviews helped but I think I still would have ignored it on principle. Disney need to replace Kennedy with someone more like Keven Feige, someone who is passionate about their franchise and knows what direction they want to take it.
Star Wars wasn't "agnostic" on social issues so much as, at least in the original trilogy, painted a picture of good vs evil. Something that's timeless. The new SW films, TLJ in particular, went all preachy on social issues of the day. Something that isn't timeless. I doubt it will age well.
it is badd from beggining so its silli to expect it age well ;)
Its hasn't aged well even 2 years from release
This right here is the right comment
"I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author." -- J. R. R. Tolkien
Lucas' original trilogy was a masterpiece of universal applicability, because he took his themes from folklore and the hero's journey. The Disney movies are poor attempts at allegory, and that's why they fail, imo.
Love that quote.
That that right there nails it
microtoast true. Thoughtful insight. Thanks
Jeremy made some good points in the video!
Particularly enjoyed his point about being subtle with the political messaging. Alas, the Twitter-fueled SJW crowd has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face.
Fire stupid Kennedy!
not a sledgehammer to the face, that is one and done.... its more like the child who craves attention and trows a tantrum in the supermarket because their mom wont buy them their favorite cereal.
Max Davies **glances sidelong at modern Lucasfilm**
That's one hell of a tantrum...
Arwan Shrivastava He's quite fortunate not to be called Jar Jar Jahns
You know Disney has screwed the pooch when we as fans find ourselves feeling nostalgic about the prequels.
Shree Dove
You know what I like most about the prequels, they actually took fan feedback. The first sucked, but after the back lash from the first one in the second they almost got rid of jar jar, they got rid of child Anakin. Episode 2 and 3 weren't great, especially by star wars standards, but they were decent movies.
John Smith They got rid of jar jar. THEY GOT RID OF JAR JAR? DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE FUCKIN MOVIE?
Azad Rahul
Do you know how to read bro?
Comment literally said AFTER the first one they ALMOST got rid of jar jar. The first movie jar jar is in half the scenes he's a main character with tons of lines. The second movie he is visible for a few minutes max and only has like 5 lines. They took the feedback that fans hated him and acted on it to improve the next movie.
Shree Dove yep
DejaVoodooDoll we are not shitty as you who are also brainless- "I'll buy everything that Disney is selling". Thanks but no thanks I would rather see even my most hated Star Wars film till recently-"Attack of the Clones" than that shit "TLJ"!
Any franchise that adds too much overt SJW messaging inevitably falls in popularity. Not only does these conspicuous messages distract from the story, but alienate members of the audience( People are allowed to disagree and dislike SJW extremism without being racists and misogynists as evidenced by the abundant number of non white or male fans who dislike the Last Jedi). Perhaps Star Wars has long been beloved by so many since it has always maintained its character as a fun and thrilling adventure in an unknown galaxy populated by characters we cherish and enjoy.
OK I dislike Mara Jade she is a Mary Sue. There I said it.
@@evacody1249 Explain.
The issue with the sjw messages is that it immediately dates the movie. Most of the most recognizable movies of all time have themes and messages that are relevant to people of all ages, and tend to remain relevant decades later.
@@satireknight Hilariously, the messages were *anti-war* anti-capitalism. Disney's earliest cartoons were all for fighting in a war and killing Nazis. It's really weird that Disney put out a movie that was all about saying how bad they are.
Which part was SJW messaging?
Or are you just saying that because you saw a lady with Pink hair, a female jedi and an Asian actor?
Kathleen Kennedy has to go.
"You may fire (her) when ready" - Wilhuff Tarkin
Yes, she is ruining good products.💯💯💯💯💯
Execute order 66
@tyler norton this may be true with how much more stuff cost like for instance it used to be a couple bucks to go see a movie now its pushing damn near 20 dollars a ticket and kennedy flat out made it known she dont care about the fan basis comparing the take in from now to then is comparing apples to oranges. If you took the OT and threw it in theatres now it would rake in just as much cash and we wouldnt be fed the agenda bullshit.
tyler norton based off the following of an already legit franchise and the expectation of more epic ness that George introduced to us... she made money off a system already in place ...and now has bad reviews...
Last Jedi turned a huge amount of fans off. Even if solo was good it was doomed from the start. I've never seen a movie ruin so many other movies as the last Jedi.
geissler35 The foreign market could care less about about SJW bs. That means they reject the direction Rian Johnson took Star Wars. That message is clear! It doesn't take a genius to see all the plot holes and poor writing choices in TLJ. I would be fine with people identifying those issues and then saying the good outweighs the bad. Fine. That's an opinion. But instead, the most vocal fans of TLJ are saying it's great and haters aren't real Star Wars fans.
geissler35 The Last Jedi is a film about embracing change and embracing what the future holds. Unfortunately, it was made for an audience who can't accept change and is fearful of the future.
I am so sorry that this movie didn't pander to you and made all of your stupid internet theories come into fruition and instead opted to do something new and different.
geissler35 its the age old rule. Its easier to destroy than it was to build. A legacy and lore built over 40 years destroyed in 2 bours. Now its just necrophilia what disney is doing to a franchise
Jake Voronkov i guess you can call empty characters, pointless out of place plot lines, giant plot holes, and injecting politics into a beloved franchise "something different" but I'd call it garbage. You know a movie is bad when it degrades other movies along with itself.
Oh and no one is upset at "change". They are upset at bad writing and how horrible the og series has been treated by people who clearly don't like it let alone know anything about it. The fan base had open arms for this new trilogy, they just didn't expect it to be handled this poorly.
Jake Voronkov I wish Solo made more money, but I fear you are in the minority here (the world over). TLJ split the fandom. Solo's box office is evidence that I may have a point. But I know you're just an internet troll. How's that working out for you?
Some very very good points in that video: "These new movies feel like our world, not like a galaxy far far away..." I felt exactly the same thing with The Last Jedi and the Soylo trailers...
This is why I love Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers, because he just like the Jeremy in this video is not afraid to point those things out!
Liked and subbed!
"solo"
Max Von Britannia Nope, It's Soylo because it's for cucks
Swapnil Singh oh right i forgot the meme
Thought it was just a spelling error
I definitely get Jeremy's point but then Lucas has always used real life as a metaphor or reference in his movies, even before he sold it to Disney. Example: he based the Empire off of Nazi Germany and the space dogfights off of WW2 dogfights. Palpatine's rise to power was based on Rome or Nixon or Hitler coming to power. Lucas even specifically said ROTJ was a metaphor for Vietnam. So yeah, putting nods to real life events in SW movies is not a new thing.
Didn't get to see an ultra-powerful Luke. Been waiting for years and years to see that. Go to hell, Disney.
I don't really think we needed an overpowed luke I think what we got was good just my opinion tho
He Force projected himself across the Galaxy, you blind doofus. "Waaaah! My theories didn't come true! Waaaah!!!!"
Yeah, he only made the most impressive use of the force we've ever seen. By far.
So the movie is bad because you didn't got what you wanted ? You know that Star Wars doesn't belong to you ? I didn't expect Luke to become such a grumpy and pessimistic guy... But WOW that takes balls to make him the way they did and it takes brains to do it as GOOD as they did.
@@pandamera1 I know, right ?
I didn't see Solo and I'll admit it is mainly due to The Last Jedi which ruined it for me. I won't be going to see 9, I have 0 expectations going forward. I would say The Last Jedi ruined Star Wars for me but that isn't true, because I still have the other good movies in the franchise, It just ruined the future of Star Wars for me.
Synyster Craig I'm in the same boat as you. I still enjoy many of the new comics and rebels was great and I look forward to another Filloni series but done with the movies.
Synyster Craig That’s fair to say!
Star Wars fans agree on 4 things that were generally good.
-The original trilogy
-The Clone Wars
-KOTOR 1 & 2
-The Thrawn Trilogy.
We can agree on some things.
CGI was trash. Animated Clone Wars was the best.
Animated CW was good, but a little too style over substance compared to the CGI show.
tom bob
The entire EU was amazing.
My only bad entries = episode 7, 8 and rebels.
Well.. Kotor 2 had it's problems because of being rushed but I generally agree with you. I did like some other EU books as well. How about a movie set in the kotor series? Yes please! Or better yet, Kotor 3!
What Jeremy is suggesting and what Disney are doing is the difference between having a movie with a message and having a propaganda piece.
Scerttle propoganda? Where did you see that?
Angry Morty You know that one casino planet? Yeah, there.
Either have a movie with a message or a message with a movie. Disney is doing the latter.
Kinda like how having a political thing happen in comics or having a political character in comics is different than having a message of toxic masculinity and girls cant do no wrong message at your face. What I'm saying is Marvel is going propaganda route and calling it regular politics, which usually should be about both sides of an argument but not at marvel because that would make their heroes complex and well rounded.
Moonw1ng Shoehorned political messages, yeah. Propaganda? Not so much.
Let me say this.. It ALL started with the last fucking jedi. The prequels were not great, but atleast they successfully extended the universe and gave even more depth to characters we knew and loved. TLJ brought absolutly nothing to the table..
Yeah, although Attack of the Clones still sucks in my opinion.
Hate has been plaguing Star Wars since before the first movie came out in 1977 and it never left. None of this started with The Last Jedi. It just got renewed, and so the cycle of hatred exchanged members once again. You just happen to be a new recruit, called in because you don’t like what The Last Jedi did, in fact, bring to the table.
I dont care for people hating on Star Wars for whatever reasons. I just dont like bad movies.
And TLJ is the worst Star Wars movie ever made and critique is more than deserved.
Completly changing the formular and tone of Star Wars was just a bad idea, If you want to continue an existing Saga successfully.
It never even tried to continue the story and exchanged it for some cheap jokes. Thats not storytelling to me. Why even call it SW Episode 7,8,9 then
Cas ual I honestly have a hard time believing we saw the same movie, but you can go on hating the movie all you want; that’s fine with me. It doesn’t annoy me anywhere close to as much as the people who attack the actors and directors for making something they personally don’t like for months on end, insult anyone who actually enjoys the new content, and try to ruin Star Wars for everyone who doesn’t think it already ruined itself. Even if Star Wars isn’t for everyone anymore, it’s not right to tell people how to feel or bully actors off of social media for a piece of fiction.
People really shouldnt insult other people because of some fiction. But there still needs to be critique, especially for Rian Johnson.
Star Wars just has influenced too many lifes and became way too big to be handed to some random director who doesnt seem to understand the core.
Its like a million dollar chinese restaurant hired a new chefcook, whos capable of making some food, but has absolutely no knowledge about good asian food.
Of course longtime customers will complain If it doesnt tastes like good asian food anymore. Some people will complain in a gentle way and some wont, thats just human.
But maybe you should exchange your fucking cook If so many people are unsatisfied, instead of blaming the customers who just expected the brands old quality.
I didn't dislike The Last Jedi because I am a die-hard Star Wars fan and Rian Johnson totally crapped on the Star Wars lore, which he did. I hated The Last Jedi because as a movie, it was absolutely terrible. It had the worst writing and plot progression I have ever seen. The movie abandoned reason and logic in order to shoehorn the most forced plotline I have ever seen. It was just a horrible movie. That's why I hated it. And that, compounded with the fact that it's Star Wars, and Star Wars is supposed to be awesome, made it even worse.
This is exactly what I've been saying, it doesn't matter that it's Star Wars, it could have been any franchise, it was just a terrible movie. It was a High-school project movie with AAA special effects. I've literally watched a movie about a tire that roams the countryside exploding people's heads that had a better plot and did a better job of simply being a movie and not a badly stitched together mess of 20min clips with almost no ties to each other.
Rubber is 100x better than TLJ.
I agree. Dont consider myself a hardcore fan, enjoyed the world lore and found the original movies, enjoyable, but not fantastic film-making That said, The Last Jedi was an ATROCIOUS piece of cinematic SHIT Every other scene was a What Da Fuq moment for me They destroyed the well-established world lore, the timing was HORRIBLE, the film-makers seemed not to know the source material, or even what genre and type of film that they were even trying to make, and the dialogue was CRAP....NOTHING original was brought to the actual galaxy far, far storytelling, AT ALL.... TOTAL character assassination (in the case of Han Solo, BOTH figuratively and literally) performed on the original core characters of the Star Wars Saga...
But the side plot you're talking about made up about 20 minutes of the overall movie, are you basically saying that because of the small side plot not being too great (which I agree with) ruins the rest of what I believe is a good film? Overall to me the positives massively out way the negatives and this is my problem with TLJ critique because it seems to all focus only on very small parts of the films that people didn't like.
No, not just the Casino Royale nonsense. The entire movie was stupid effin scene followed by stupid effin scene.
Makes me sad to say this, but i'm glad we won't get another one for at least a year and a half.
a year and a half in not a prolonged period of time. it was 16 years between the originals and the prequels.
Mar10 i know, its just better than a year or 6 months.
Im actually just hoping for a brighter future for Star Wars /:
When you say the TLJ didn't feel like it was from a galaxy far far away but felt like something from our galaxy, from earth... That's 100% true! I didn't even realize why it felt so off, but after you said it I realized a lot of the content was so current earth stuff that it totally killed the galaxy far far away setup.
zerbonation yeah, and more precisely one country, since it feels like it's aimed mostly to a US public... All the other films feel both universal in their themes and as if they actually happened in worlds different to our own.
Having a world that's essentially a casino out of a James Bond film didn't exactly help with that. Apparently tuxedos are an intergalactic trend.
Jeremy, maybe you should do a series where you take a movie you reviewed in the past and have completely changed your mind on. I would actually like to see your reasoning of why you made a change of opinion.
This. This is why I subscribed to you. You are 100% correct sir.
I totally agree with you bro. I think it can get better if Kathleen Kennedy is out of the picture.
Loganis Maximus it's not gonna happen until they burn it to the ground
That's not what he said at all.
This is your best video Jeremy! By far!! As a Star Wars & movie fan in general I nearly cried watching this video. Keep it up!!!
The last Jedi is the worst SW movie by far far.
The worst S(J)W movie by far far.
Personally I feel like you haven't seen Attack of the Clones in a while but you do you, man.
I hated Last Jedi more than any prequel ever, here I said it. I cant believe someone looked at that Rian Johnsons script and thought, yes, make this. He completely fucks numerous JJ Abrahms set ups and replaces all that mystery with completely inept story lines. Not to mention the movie just doesn;t feel like epic at all, it feels like generic SCI-FI pilot. Fuck that movie in the ass.
Its the worst movie ever.
Its done something which has eclipsed other films in terms of how badly it has effected a franchise
In all honesty, I concur. I began thinking of my reactions to the prequels and while I recognized flaws, I never outright disliked them. And for the record, I really enjoyed the Force Awakens. But the Last Jedi was just awful. It honestly really was. I find myself not even remotely interested in seeing the next movie, which is not a feeling I had with the prequels.
"A drunk behind the wheel." THANK YOU! That is the PERFECT analogy for RJ's direction of 'TLJ'.
Just like Josh Trank on Fant4stic.
Not true even if you did not like it rian jhonson still kinda had a vision for the last jedi
Cole Matthews yeh that’s what we wanted..someone who kinda had a vision lol
@@colematthews8652 so just partially drunk then 😂
@@colematthews8652 ‘kinda’ isn’t enough 💀💀
The main problem is that they keep on shoe horning identity politics into Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy refuses to listen to fans. And JJ Abrahams, Ryan Johnson, and Kathleen Kennedy decides to attack the people who dislikes the Last Jedi besides taking responsibility that the Last Jedi isn't the perfect movie
exactly. Like the rebellion was sparked by a female black ginger?? L3 and Qi'ra save the day multiple times? L3 sounds like an "independent" strong female. LIke comeeee onnn
The rebellion was sparked by multiple cells, not just Enfys. L3 and Qi'ra hardly saved the day, and every other character was annoyed by L3 in the film
Let’s be honest here. The last Jedi was okay. It wasn’t bad. The plot line with Finn was bad and I was confused why the general didn’t let everyone in on the plan, but u would be lying if u said that the plot line and the relationship and dynamic that grew between Kyle Ren and Rey was bad. It was amazing. I feel like if Last Jedi focused more on that plot line it would have been amazing
Adrian J That's the only plot point that wasn't infuriating. Everything else was basically garbage.
JamRock Bless well I didn't say that I think the last Jedi is a good movie or a bad movie all I said is that Kathleen Kennedy, Ryan Johnson and JJ Abrahams are acting like the Last Jedi is a perfect movie
I’m from Geeks and Gamers too. And yes, it’s very refreshing to see someone on your caliber saying this stuff. Thank you. This for me, is your best video and most “real” video ever.
Regards,
Jon Paul
Well now that's it popular to bash Jeremy jumps on board. I' didn't see this commendable courage during the review itself. The follow up 10 things that piss me off alternate and this are damage control. Look, he worked hard, and the perks that film companies give out are very lucrative, but then there is the slippery slope. He's made Disney happy at the expense of his viewers. So now this. I found the video sooo neutral, it was cringy. I was a fan for a long time. Where was that Jeremy here? I saw a tip toeing, shoot down the middle approach, to get the least amount of people Pissed.
Bilal Khalid its the timing, people have been talking about his since Jedi. Tons of UA-camrs ( smaller channels) gave what I consider accurate reviews long ago. Geeks and gamers has been covering this for motnhs. Anyway that my option. Jeremy has provided me with lots of great reviews in the past. Thanks. Time to move on.
stavros g very true. Geeks and Gamers has been calling for active boycotts.
Guys like this guy are just jumping on when he knows the end result now.
100% agree!
Bilal Khalid there have been boycotts for 6 MONTHS. Just accept he is a bandwagoner.
3:16 CONFIRMED: Lando actually is in Episode 9!
John Striker And he’s going to die.
Cries ALOT!
*Lando is confirmed for Episode IX
Fans: “You’re going to kill him aren’t you?”
James Bancroft Lol, this didn't age well.
You should do a video on recent movies that you've changed your mind on. That would be really interesting.
I'm guessing TFA is one of them--he was way over the top when that movie came out. I left the theater disappointed after my first viewing--I had reserved two showings that opening night--so while I waited to see it again, I watched his review...needless to say I was wondering if we'd watched the same movie. I was shocked how much he liked it, and so I thought maybe it was me. Then I watched it the second time that night...and hated it more. When I got home and saw more praise from other sources, I knew we were in trouble--something was wrong...REALLY WRONG. It didn't make sense to me--but then other voices clapped back at the love-fest, and a real debate began. The fans of TFA couldn't really argue effectively against the criticism, but they always had this ace up their sleeve: "wait for the next movie and it will all make sense--it's the first movie of the trilogy, be patient--etc"...they no longer have that. Maybe they felt more betrayed than those of us that didn't like TFA...and then came SOLO. It wasn't enough that Rey was a Mary Sue, they had to turn Han into a Gary Stu lol--but in SOLO's defense, no matter what happened in the movie, we knew he and Chewbacca weren't red shirts. SOLO suffered because of TLJ--there's no other reason. Sure, it wasn't a good movie, and had more of the same SJW-type bs in it, but people had already made up their minds they weren't going to see it (at least they weren't going to give DIsney any money to see it--I'm sure they'd watch it if it didn't cost them anything). That's on TLJ, plain and simple. I'll never forget how Jeremy was..."on the fence" about TLJ--I had watched it opening night too, and was thinking to myself "There's no way Jeremy is going to praise this monstrosity!"--when he said he had to see it again to solidify an opinion, I LMAO! I was like "nope, it really was that bad, and he doesn't want to believe it". I think that disappointment allowed him to see TFA in a new light--to really see why so many of us criticized it from the very beginning.
countreekidd Perhaps
"If you want Star Wars without social justice you've got the original trilogy"
Yep that's why I won't watch anymore Disney Star Wars movies.
Bjørn Halfhand you’ve also got the prequel trilogy and The Clone Wars.
And so many side stories to exlore in the legends. So many games that aren’t EA shite
John D. Yep. Lots of good Star Wars to enjoy. 6 movies and the fantastic CW.
XrosSpirit I've been re-reading the "tales of..." series. Really nostalgic. Might reinstall KOTR 1 & 2 too.
ummmm whats social justice about the new star wars man they're just pretending to be woke, theres no actual social commentary there
I have never heard of company like LucasFilm who just tries to constantly point fingers and shift blame whenever they take a misstep. For God Sakes they should just acknowledge they may have made some mistakes and move on rather than continue digging the whole deeper and deeper. I firmly believe Solo would have performed far better if LucasFilm had behaved as a civil and responsible company in response to the TLJ backlash.
I have heard of companies that tried to shift the blame for their problems. They all went out of business. I don't think that it would happen to Lucasfilm considering their Disney backing, but I could see a major overhaul if they don't get their shit together.
I've seen this in the buisness industry several times. When high up managers can't accept accountability and blame it on others
The last jedi makes the force awakens pointless to watch now .
stevie b I agree. I can’t watch it now that I know how bad it gets in TLJ.
stevie b , yeah alot of people feel that way. Check out youtuber Jeremy.... not this Jeremy the Jeremy from Geeks and Gamer.
stevie b the last jedi also defeat the org. Trilogy. That great win for the Skywalkers turned out to be subversion.... Yay
stevie b TFA was shite as well. Just a hack attempt. Still Mary sued to oblivion and ruined the force. Fuck TFA
actually TFA is not that great either, its just a copy of eps.IV, and it kills Han Solo, WHY
it kills Luke's Jedi Academy, WHY
it reduced the story back to Rebel vs Empire, WHY
theres a lot of good Expanded Universe stories, why oh why Lucasart go down the TFA road....
The prequels only added to the original trilogy, the sequels killed the ending of the original trilogy and its characters.
Samuel Richard Halgaklett The point really is that Anakin was Lord Vader when he killed those younglings. That’s why Lucas adjusted it and had Anakin as the Force Ghost at the end.
This isn’t to say Anakin is free of blame, cause he certainly isn’t. Just to understand the dynamic of what the Force ghost represents.
“So Disney, I think your heart is in the right place but your head’s up your ass.” Lol!
Jeremy .... this was a good video essay. I am a fan of many Movies and I’m also a fan of Star Wars. I’m the kid that was there in the beginning watching a new space film in 1977 ..... totally blown away! I may not have the same expectations as my present Star Wars fans but I am that strange fan that loves me some Star Wars! I guess I always will ! Jeremy I say this to you ....”keep up the good work”
The fans boycotted solo in response to the last jedi, and how Kathleen Kennedy as treated the backlash by calling fans bigots racist and sexist, it's not a nice way to treat millions of fans who have made the franchise what it is with their money over the years, and all they wanted was a decent storyline, a bit of continuity, ho and someone with an in depth knowledge of the franchise to helm the ship, Dave feloni, or just ask George for he's treatments,
I am so sick of x wings vs tiefighters and rebels vs Stormtroopers and having to disguise the characters as imperials to sneak onto a Star destroyer/death star. Say what you want about the prequels, at least they were unique, different and had an overlying story arch.
how is it that this movie tries to escape all those expectations yet still manages to copy so much...
The prequels are so much more interesting. They have problems, but I do generally like them for the stories they tell
It still came from George Lucas. And we can always count that as legit SW saga. But these new films.
Nope
They weren't, will you fucks quit trying to act like the prequels are good juts cause the new ones are bad? New bad films doesn't make old bad films better.
"Unique" literally SW Phantom Menace ends with Skywalker destroying a space station, and if you want to say "there's much more to it than that" there's much more to the new movies, but you can easily make something seem unoriginal when you break it down.
The prequels aren't special, they're just as unoriginal as any other movie, only with the added bonus of crappy dialogue, say what you will about the rose and finn scene, at least I didn't have to put up with that for THREE MOVIES, like I did in the prequel.
This is the first time I have skipped an opening weekend for a Star Wars movie. When Lucasfilm decides to return from whatever obscure galaxy they have been lost in, I'll be back.
Omg, I need to address the midichlorians issue. It doesn’t change anything about the Star Wars universe. The reason being, the closer you look at something the more detail you see.
A universe is infinite in every direction, including inwardly; that is why there is a quantum scale, it shows some of the building blocks to reality. The physics of the quantum scale are entirely different and weird, and I don’t see why it would be any different in Star Wars. In fact, I think it’s a natural explanation for some of the properties of the force.
Furthermore, if we had the technology to look even closer to quantum particles, I’m 100 percent certain we would discover even more because that’s how infinity has to work if our model of the universe is correct.
Midichlorians are a logical byproduct of the reality portrayed in Star Wars.
Being mad at that concept being introduced into the story is like being angry that you found out you’re made of atoms.
This such an educated answer. To be fair, I was just starting primary school when the Phantom Menace came out so I didn't understand the concept anyways, but I didn't think it was a bad creative decision at all. I just assumed he was taking some sort of blood test just to assess his genetics and health. Didn't really seem like a childhood destroying concept that the internet ranted on about years later
Star Wars could make $500m a month, if the movies were of very high quality. This was not because of fatigue. Three big reasons are.
1. Characters and story took a dive. The new movies were rehashes of the old plot, and characters were mediocre at best.
2. People are sick of having far-Left, inter-sectional, Marxist/ Postmodernism ideology, pushed at them through games, movies, comics. They want quality stories, not high budget political indoctrination.
3. The Fans got fed up with having their concerns belittled, and being insulted. I have never seen an imdustry treat their customers so badly, going so far as to say that males, who make up the majority of SW fans, are not wanted. When you spit this right in the faces of your customers how can you not expect a backlash?
When you hand your customers a crap product, ignore their objections, and then insult them to their faces, you have just killed your business.
How in the actual fuck is having female characters, characters of different races and sexualities, or any of that, Marxist? What is communist about diversity? God, you people make me cringe.
it force diversity
m chlfx you’d have to rewatch the film with an open mindset and looking for the flaws that may oppose your world views. It’s challenging to see if you aren’t looking for it but when you do you’ll understand people’s complaints. I don’t know if you’ve ever read or watched something as a kid and watched it again as an adult and you see it much differently. A similar thing happens when individuals watch something, each person gravitates to things differently. For example in the force awakens when Finn grabs Rey’s arm and Rey tells him to let go of her one person might see that as a great achievement for empowering women, and breaking social norms. Others may see at as contrived, unnecessary, and way out of the realm of a galaxy far far away, as well as belittling men. Two very different interpretations and imo equally valid, getting mad at the other side doesn’t help either side.
I don't see how that empowers women or belittles men. People look way too deep into things. Star Wars isn't and never will be that deep. The morality in Star Wars is almost completely black and white, which is childish, and not at all reflective of real life. What I took from that scene was that Rey didn't really trust Finn, and with good reason. And I'm pretty sure that's all there is to it.
Jason Wright Exactly, Did Lucas Films Learn NOTHING from Ghostbusters 2016?
They knew their movie sucked, but called everyone a sexist bigot if they hated the movie
The Current state of Star Wars is a state of denial. Star Wars fans are _pissed_ . I know, not all of us, but a pretty significant portion of us. The thing is, it's not just about Last Jedi. It certainly _started_ with Last Jedi, but the way Lucasfilm employees have handled the anger has just made everything worse.
I _hated_ Last Jedi. The treatment of Luke Skywalker was wretched and ignored everything about his character, Poe and Finn were reduced to bumbling comic relief, a painful amount of the runtime was devoted to a pointless and illogical plan that never made any sense, while Rey was elevated to godlike status. In Force Awakens her strange abilities were an interesting mystery - how does she know all the things she knows? In TLJ, we learn that...there is no reason. She's just that special. She is the absolute _definition_ of a Mary-Sue character, which removes all interest.
So, having created a film that's torn a dedicated and devoted fanbase apart, how do the high muckety-mucks at Lucasfilm respond? With insults. Accusations that critics of this festering turd "can't handle strong female characters". Accusations of misogyny. Here's the thing, Lucasfilm - the only people bringing up Rey's sex are yourselves. Nobody else cares, except insofar as it clearly influenced the way she was written.
If the leadership at Lucasfilm aren't interested in listening to feedback, the result is obvious - backlash. Boycott. Loss of interest in their products. That's why Solo is bombing - it's not about Solo, it's about Star Wars, and the way it treats its audience.
Werrf1 no you white people are pissed us non Stars fans don't give a s***
I have said pretty much all of these things (often less articulately). It’s amazing to see a channel 100x my size use their platform to make the same point I have!
Mindless Entertainment Love your channel Jessi
I also love your channel Jessi you're gonna get there, to the magic world of 720p uploads!
The legend herself!
You point being that you want nostalgia and not good movies?
Jessi gave me the courage to come out as a last jedi hater, im glad to be seeing her in so many discussions
This video is exactly why someone I watch calls you a “God.” You have a great perspective! Sadly, many in the SW fandom are extremely toxic. Imo way too much energy and time is being devoted to ripping everyone associated with these movies to shreds. As you said, it’s a MOVIE! There are real issues in our world they could use that same passion and energy for, but it is being wasted on who and how a movie is made. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it.
Good for you Jeremy!
Here's what happened to me. I saw Force Awakens and, while there were things I didn't like, I overall thought it was good. I was excited for TLJ. I came out with bits that I liked, but something in me hurt. I couldn't put my finger on it. Then I saw it again. The wound of Han Solo's fate, which hadn't yet healed upon hearing the news of Carrie Fisher, was made a gaping hole seeing Luke fade off into the sunset at the end. To me, THAT killed Star Wars. It was as if Disney literally told me, my hardcore fans for parents, and everyone who loved the movies before that THIS was the end, at least for us. It wasn't even a good note that it went out on. It was like Rocky V, Transformers The Last Knight, or Batman and Robin all rolled up into one. The worst part about it, is that those in charge decided that it was in their best interest to insult the people who loved Star Wars and that they only want new fans. The line "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" stood out like a sore thumb as their message to us. Thank you Jeremy for your thought provoking video. I hope you've taken the time to read this knowing that we the fans (perhaps former fans) of Star Wars will simply go back to watch the original, when Star Wars was still the fun space opera.
Solo is a fun adventure though
RodimusPrimal I could predict luke and han were gonna die anyway so it didn't bother me. Id give last jedi a 7
I felt the same way watching it.
This
RodimusPrimal That's how I felt. At first I thought TLJ wasn't so bad. But soon enough something started to really hurt. After seeing Luke die again... then remembering how Han died. Then realizing Carrie is dead as well. It all came up to me like a punch in the face. The past was now killed. Their message that the old needed to die was clear. Us fans who loved these characters didn't matter. The new fans are now here... everything else didn't matter. I would've been okay with Han, Luke and Leia being killed off, but in a way that made it satisfying. But they didn't make It that way. So it hurts.
You know it's serious when Jeremy makes a 15 minute video
Last jedi killed my enthusiasm.
MoarPower mine too
Same :/
Same here
Just watch The Expanse.
Its better than Star Wars.
I wouldn't go that far, but it certainly curbed mine.
I still think this is your best video by far. I keep coming back to it. You hit so many nails on the head.
The biggest issue i feel that went wrong with this is they didnt make a proper trilogy. There should have been ONE director or at least ONE vision for all three movies. All the great trilogies or plan a proper beginning middle and end to is cohesive.
Think about it, the main reason people are pissed about stuff that happening in the Last Jedi is because nothing was delivered from the force awakens. The first movie of this trilogy hyped up so much things and it made Luke returning an important thing, it made mystery of snokes identity and reys parents an important thing and they made Rey and Kylos training significant, all for the last Jedi to toss all that away. Snoke died quickly with no backstory, luke died randomly without really returning to himself, Reys parents were nobody and Rey and kylo barely got any training. Just 2 lessons from luke for rey....
Its like the second movie was its own separate movie with the same characters. Almost nothing was taken from the first movie except the setting they are starting in where Rey is already with Luke.
Also i didnt mind that look was in a dark place but at least redeem him by the end. They tossed way luke and snoke in the lamest way. IF they were gonna do that at least give them a last hurrah. Like making a luke vs Snoke death match or something.
Anyway with this lame second movie, there is also nothing to look forward to for the last one. I mean are we gonna watch Reys Mary sue ass beat Kylo again? She beat him in the first with no training, Beat him in the second with the force pull (he passed out while she was find to escape) and now we gotta watch a third beaten...... yay......
. All in all i feel like Ryan Johnson just did whatever he wanted without actually thinking about a trilogy. He really set things up for a really lame last movie with nothing to look forward to.
I think they should have done what marvel did. They mapped the whole stuff out since 2008. According to one source all the way up to 2028 around the time captain America 2 was a big hit. It was more or less LET'S SELL TOYS AND HAVE STAR WARS EVERY YEAR! Instead of just planning and seeing where to go from there with Force Awakens. It's like f*** it. The fans were right. ALL CONTROL TO ME!! And they forgot to respect the things set in stone because George is out of the picture or some shit so We can make our own special edition series from now on.
Ninjastorm540 But were your expecctations subverted? Because all that matters -- Rian Johnson probably
I'm glad Jeremy touched on the social justice thing. But I would say the reason Solo failed so hard was more about how the producers reacted to how the fans reacted. After TLJ, the fans reacted as Jeremy said. If they want social messages in their star wars, make it less heavy handed and still tell a good story. The creators simply called the people criticizing TLJ angry basement-dwelling white males who are too narrow minded. People got angry at that and said they are not watching Solo. And then people didn't watch Solo. And for some reason, Disney is surprised when the Solo boycott has been a big thing since the release of TLJ.
In todays society when anyone make a point that you don't agree with either you are a racist or just a shit person. Many fans said that Kylo is far more interesting character and he should be the lead, people accused them of women hating and worst Disney legitimized these abuses against fans by saying fans don't like Rey because she is a girl. If you are not a racist or sexist and are misunderstood by people who think you are the reaction will not be kind. Now we have reached a point of no return where anyone who doesn't like Star Wars is a Trump Sumpporter and true fans who love all things Star Wars are supposedly enlightened.
100% accurate, this is the exact reason why there was so much backlash and hate. People had problems with TLJ, but then they get called names by the people making these movies akin to what children do, and they somehow expected that would go differently?! And by identifying it as "white males" they succeeded in pissing off not just white males, female's, black's, mexican, jewish, asians etc...I mean it was beyond stupid, and you had people that were defending TLJ doing the exact same thing, and then pretending that they never did. It's the internet people, you say something there it is there forever and people WILL find it! At the end of the day, all these people that are mad that it bombed the way it did only have themselves to blame for it, maybe they should you know, try looking in the mirror every once in awhile!
"We've always been told the core of the Star Wars movies is the saga of the Skywalker's. How can it be the saga of the Skywalker's when there is one living Skywalker left who's last name is Solo? which is a bullshit last name. Who will probably die by the end."
I need to get that printed on a t-shirt.
Saoirse Kavanagh Lucasfilm didnt know Carrie Fisher was going to die
Obviously they didn't, nobody did and Fisher's loss was devastating but my initial thought upon learning of her death wasn't "Oh, what are they going to do about Episode IX?" it was about her family and especially her daughter Billie. Fisher's tragic death aside, even if Leia featured in Episode IX I would still be of the opinion that the sequel trilogy has lost its main focus in having these new films solely focused on the conflict of a Skywalker protagonist. Yes, we have Kylo Ren as Ben Solo and yes he comes from the Skywalker bloodline but (and this is key) he isn't/wasn't portrayed or sold to us as the audience that he was the protagonist of the sequel trilogy no he was the villain and Rey was the protagonist.
Whatever you opinion is of the Rey Skywalker theory, its fair to say that for us as a majority we were led to believe that after Episode VII Rey had a significant (past) connection to Luke we just didn't have the solid proof but the illusions, similarities, scene set up, story arc etc. were all pointing to Rey Skywalker and thus would've made the most sense considering that these new films would show the continued conflict of the Skywalker family with this new generation through Rey and Ben being cousins. I personally saw great poerty in that line of story writing but alas it seems that theory has been debunked unless JJ can make a serious 180 on Johnson's "reveal" through the words of Kylo Ren, a known manipulator and liar but that argument is for another day.
Bottom line is from my point of view we've always had a Skywalker who wears the Skywalker name as the protagonist representing the light and him/her battling with themselves or a bigger enemy (the Empire) and that's how it should've continued (just my opinion). If we're genuinely to believe Ben is the Skywalker protagonist of these new films then its a complete copy and paste of Anakin/Darth Vader's story from the Original Trilogy. And another redemption arc story that's already been done and seen before through the eyes of Vader and Luke but hey, at least Luke was Vader's son thus a Skywalker (protagonist).
It's just a damn shame what they've done with Rey's character (just my opinion don't hate me). Her being the first Skywalker protagonist (Leia never went by the Skywalker name & Luke was the main character) had such amazing potential and would've brought new life to the story through the eyes of a daughter trying to discover the past of her father and family she never knew. As i've said before we were all led on by Disney that this was the case, even people who weren't avid Star Wars fans who came out of Episode VII we're all of the opinion that Rey was Luke's daughter. It would've made the most sense to anyone who follows the Star Wars method of story telling with the Skywalker Saga. Rey Skywalker representing the light Ben Solo representing the dark. A duel of cousins so to speak but nope we were robbed. I honestly feel for JJ and wish him the best of luck for Episode IX I really do.
I actually think having Ben/Kylo die in the sequel trilogy, thus ending the Skywalker line, COULD be a powerful piece of storytelling. The Force essentially created a being to restore balance and after a mere three generations, the Force was done with them, and the line is dead. This could be particularly effective if Kylo were to help affect some kind of paradigm shift in our understanding of the Force. (Based on the current direction of SW storytelling, I sincerely doubt this will happen, but there's always hope.) If that were the plan, it would have made more sense to show Rey turning to the Dark Side while Kylo abandoned it. If Rian Johnson wanted to subvert expectations, THAT'S the way to do it. In fact, it almost seemed as if that's what was going to happen in TLJ. If you compare Kylo and Rey throughout the film, Kylo is calm, collected, and dispassionate throughout while Rey seems to continually give in to her emotions, particularly negative emotions. When she's fighting in Snoke's throne room, just look at the rage on her face while she kills the guards...then look at Kylo's face; he displays absolutely no emotion. Even they way they fight is the exact opposite of how they SHOULD; Rey is aggressive, going out of her way to attack while Kylo fights almost totally defensively, quietly and calmly dispatching any enemies who come close to him. Even in Rey and Kylo's Force DMs, Rey is yelling, angry, full of hate while Kylo approaches her with dispassion and calm. Kylo is ACTUALLY acting like Jedi while Rey is acting like a dark sider. Imagine how unexpected that would have been. That's almost Vader claiming to be Luke's father level of unexpected. Then, at the end of the film, Kylo returns to his mother, begs forgiveness, and rededicates himself to the Light, while Rey goes on a rampage and kills off the rest of the First Order, falling completely despite "helping" the Resistance survive. Then Episode IX would have to be a story told entirely on a personal level as Kylo/Ben confronts Rey to either redeem her or kill her. (I can't take credit for all of that. Anti-Trekker posted a lengthy review of TLJ in which he mentioned the Rey/Kylo switch; I just expanded on it a little.)
I see where you're coming from but I highly doubt Kennedy and Disney would've mapped out Rey's character from the beginning as her representing the light only then for her to turn to the dark side as its already been done and seen before through the eyes of Anakin/Darth Vader. But again, I see your point.
I wouldn't have gone so far as to say Ben/Kylo was "dispassionate and calm" yes, he wasn't necessarily as vocally angry like Rey was (and she had every right to be) but Ben/Kylo is a trained manipulator and liar. He's to target and exploit his enemies weakness and to later use it to further his own gain. It's a trademark sign of one fallen to the Dark Side one in which Rey so far is unfamiliar with, thus is unaware its happening on her (her parents "reveal").
Yes Rey yells, is angry and expresses her moments of hatred towards Ben/Kylo and Luke during parts of TLJ, but one can hardly judge her too harshly for that and her hatred is justified. For Ben/Kylo killing Han and turning his back on a family that loved him and for Luke who up and ran away from everything and everyone when the Galaxy and his sister needed him the most. Rey is still young to the ways of the Force and young herself in how best to channel and discipline her emotion and rage but she is learning and will put her natural skills to fight for good as it seems. But as i've said before, all of this would've had a much greater impact on her had she been revealed as the secret Skywalker of the sequel trilogy like her father once was. But that's just my honest opinion, we'll see how JJ best handles that in IX.
Actually, within the Star Wars universe and the mythos created over 40 years ago, we can judge her behavior specifically: It's literally the Dark Side. Hatred is NEVER justified for a Jedi. Period. That's the whole point of the Jedi - dispassionate detachment. Rey demonstrates the exact opposite of that, not once, but (as you point out) throughout the entire film. And there is no leeway given for acting with anger, hatred, aggression regardless of the Jedi's level of training or experience with the Force. In fact, the whole reason the Jedi took infants to be trained was so they wouldn't have the opportunity to act with those emotions before they learned of their connection to the Force...because it would ruin them before they were able to train. The fact that Rey's story and behavior is blatantly contradicting the established mythos is part of the problem. As far as the Force is concerned, Jedi NEVER have the "right" to be angry or to experience hatred.
I love this video and must have watched it more than several times. As a star wars fan, I love your thoughts on the nuances and how the newer movies have really changed. Please do more comparative analysis videos or just more movies that are truly picked apart :) thank you, Jeremy.
The Last Jedi killed my excitement for episode 9. I have no desire to see that movie anymore because of what The Last Jedi did.
Diavolo Agreed!
Diavolo true, and sad