What Does The Secret of NIMH Mean?
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2015
- Yeah it's a good movie, but what's it all about?
Originally aired on 6/17/2013.
The Secret of NIMH is a 1982 American animated dark fantasy adventure film directed by Don Bluth in his directorial debut. It is an adaptation of Robert C. O'Brien's 1971 children's novel Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH.
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Mrs. Brisby is the perfect example of a strong female character in my book: a mother who loves her children, being a single mother, and facing her own fears in order to save the ones she loves and wants to protect. Support is accepted, and even welcomed (she didn't have to be saved, but she did receive help, which she was grateful for). Her love and determination is strong, and though scared, she'll do what she needs to do.
I looked up to her as a young child, and even now, I still aspire to be like her now.
This movie will forever be one of my most favorites ever.
I tend to agree and I often jest that modern strong female characters keep overcompensating in a competition that was already won by an anthropomorphic mouse in the 1980's.
Bruh, she's not actually strong. She didn't lift that block, the stone's magic did.
@@MeepChangeling her strength comes from inner strength, not physical.
And on top of all that, she's a widow! That's some hardcore subject matter in itself!
I am surprised Disney didn’t want to make it. They made the Rescuers.
This is a rare case of a movie surpassing the book. Don't get me wrong, I love the book, and I read it first, but they tell two completely different stories. For one, Jenner is dead, or, most likely so. He never even made it out of NIMH. What's more, he wasn't a villain. He was Nicodemus' best friend, and only separated from him because he genuinely believed his way was safer, but he still hoped both groups would escape.
So it's a bit like the short story and film of Blade Runner in terms of the differences?
No, he made it out of NIMH. Jenner basically started a splinter faction. Nicodemus and the rats in the original nest wanted to be less dependent on humans for survival both as a matter of self-sufficiency and because they were worried about drawing unwanted attention to themselves. Jenner and his supporters were perfectly fine with continuing to steal from humans to survive. While we never learn if Jenner himself was among them there's mention made of a newspaper article about some rats that were found electrocuted to death in a hardware store which Nicodemus identifies as (what he assumes is) one of Jenner's heists gone awry.
And honestly I actually did like the book more. The movie's got a sentimental place in my heart don't get me wrong, but the section that covers the rats' time at NIMH in detail was honestly one of my favorite parts of the book and that didn't really make it into the movie.
anyone else thinking of how this movie does a great balance for a realistic, yet still strong female character? Don't get me wrong, obviously Ms brisby does have a lot of wekanesses, but they make sense. She was a stay at home mom, and is now a single mother trying to raise a family.
She still took it upon herself, at extensive personal risk, to go out into the terrifying unknown to solve the problems facing her family, and even though she required the help of justin and the other rats (who, to be fair, are basically all male). she was still the catalyst that made it happen.
it wouldn't have made sense for her to be a great fighter or leader, as she had never been those things to begin with, but she still had a lot of impact in the story that wouldn't have happened without her being there.
I think this movie is a great example of a realistic strong female protagonist that is one of the most 'human' out of most characters you see
I agree. I think there are better complex female characters we can point to and write, but she is interesting and pretty kickass. And considering her fears and weakness, her bravery is kinda heightened, since she overcame it successfully. It's harder to act calmly in the face of a horrible fear, than it is to face something you have no fear of. And she was active, for herself and for others. Hell, she took on the task of drugging the farmer's cat, and succeeded where none of the male rats/mice of NIMH had, and others had died before.
Everyone has weaknesses. Even strong characters. That's why I hate modern strong female characters, they are too scared to give them flaws for fear of being "sexist". They just punch people and are rude too everyone. That's not being strong, that's being a jerk.
You know what you say makes sense. It kind of makes me think about Bilbo Baggins from The Hobbit. He was afraid to venture out into the unknown and wanted to go back to his "comfort zone" several times. Add to that he was not a warrior or adventurer to begin with. And yet, much like Ms. Brisby, he still managed to go forward and put himself in many perilous situations, even though he was not obligated to do so. Heroes can come in many shapes and sizes and they don't always have to be big, strong warriors. Sometimes they can be the "little guys.
Courage of the heart, is something settled very well in the movie : Brisby is scared by both logic (Dragon; the plow, the owl) and the unkown(the rats, jeremy when they met, what will happen if she fail). However every time she had to act in order to protect her family against Fate; she does. She goes facing the unknow or against Dragon again ( which is a sign of great strength). She both face guilt and grief from johnatan death but those element doesn't define her nor drive her : She is her own character, embeded by a strong message : courage is facing your fears , unlike jenner who fear change
Yeah, but it's not what makes this movie truly great. However, it is noteworthy...
God, this movie...One of those pieces of my childhood that I will always remember. I loved it.
Phobos Anomaly I asked my dad about this movie since we bought it again and he said he didn’t know it was a dark movie since he only saw the cover art and thought it was a nice cute movie but was surprised I liked it
can we talk about how beautiful the score and song is :(
WithADashOfPazazz by the late, great Jerry Goldsmith who also did the score for Mulan and Soarin' Over California Disneyland ride.
Exactly why I came here. I woke up with the music in my head. I haven’t watched this for Five yrs.
My Dad was an executive on the film. I Iooked over Jerry Goldsmiths shoulder as he was mixing the soundtrack. I was 12 years old and I remember it as if its happening now. What a joy
No, no we can't. I have to go to the grocery store.
I don't care what meaning people get from this movie. It's a masterpiece. Simple as that.Who would like to see it digitally remastered and released in theaters again? Well, you'll have to wait in line behind me.
I feel like a remake would be terrible in todays world... Maybe in several years when we're better
@@phelixz6955 a remaster is only an audio and graphics upgrade. Doesn't change any image of the characters or setting or sometimes even the animation style. I have a small amount of hope that if we remaster it in this day and era of filmmaking, it won't he changed story wise or style wise.
I might just gladly do so
critic, let me lay out some things here... courage of the heart isnt bravery, or wisdom, it is love. mrs. brisbys love for her children trapped and drowning in the sinking block home has her attention the most so though the stone burned her she was able to fight the pain and channel her desire into the artifact allowing her to save her children. Love is the Key.
that line in the song flying dreams(one of my favorite don bluth songs along with somewhere out there,if we hold on together & he's my guy.:3) along with "you and i touch the sky,the eagle and the dove." really speak to me about the themes of secret of nimh compared to even other don bluth movies and how it's message still hits even today about how despite the various times mrs. brisby couldve been easily hurt or killed she went through it,accepted any help she could get(while at no point feeling belittled for mostly being known for the exploits of her husband.) and solidified the meaning of bravery/courage "being afraid but still going at it because of desire,care & love for another despite the odds."with the 1st things i think of being courage the cowardly dog,scooby doo & shaggy,krillin,luigi & usopp from one piece.
my favorite parts of this movie were listening to Mrs. Brisbys voice. I haven't seen any movie this soothing since "The Host"
She really sold the performance didn't she? What's really sad is she (the voice actress) was suffering from horrible depression during the production of the movie, and shortly after the film was done she took her own life. Her performance was so believable because she truly felt so timid and down😔.
@@TheExplosiveGuy oh shit really? Aw that breaks my heart as I remember how convincing those cries from Mrs. Brisby sounded. At least she's in a better place now :(
@@TheExplosiveGuy i mean, it was 5 years after production wrapped up which doesn't seem so short for me, but yeah hartman's story comes to a bitter end
@@yeoldeseawitch ohh I didn't know it was that long after the film, I heard the story second hand so some details must have slipped by. Still tragic though...
@@TheExplosiveGuy i agree. hartman was in a downwards spiral of depression
Comments:
40% Paragraph theories
50% We need more movies like this
10% Grammar and pronunciation
0.000000001% useless comments
Well it IS a thematically interesting film, especially given the period it came out in (the early 80s when animation was seen as kids stuff)
Poever I mean Don Bluth made it
@@Poever What about Heavy Metal and Starchaser: The Legend of Orin?
"Paragraph theories" investigate the unknown. "We need more movies like this" means more investigation into the interplay of science, nature, and the unknown. "Grammar and punctuation" represent the utilization of "the known" to increase efficiency (in communication rather than resources, but it's the same principle).
Have you ever heard of the "The mouse/rat Utopia experiment? NIMH is an acronym for the National Institute of Mental Health. The experiments the rodents underwent in real life were a psychological experiments, not a biological one as depicted in the movie.
Its a very eye opening experiment, when compared to the movie. I encourage anyone to look for videos about it on youtube.
goin down the rabbit hole m8?
And here I thought the gemstone in the necklace was made of Nickel Metal Hydride. I need to watch it again.
I haven't seen the movie in years and haven't looked up the actual experiments, so my comment may not make sense because I'm lacking context, but if they are psychological like you said, maybe this whole movie is just a bunch of drugged up rats tripping out hallucinating that they're super intelligent and going on adventures lol
Now knowing the acronym has both blown my mind and killed my childhood sense of wonder
I searched "secret if nimh universe 25" lol. I didn't get good results
This is the kind of plot I'd like to see more of in modern animations, or even live-action movies.
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TheSparkyWriter same
TheSparkyWriter Do you mean that movies have been dumbed down nowadays?
TheSparkyWriter I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Modern day movies are just dumbed down and recycled old movies. So yeah, that is accurate, you would see more of this nowadays.
This movie really is something else. It’s easily one of the most underrated films ever and I’ve never seen anyone who dislikes it or doesn’t think it’s a good film. It’s probably my favourite animated movie of the 80’s.
I miss Don Bluth. This is still his greatest work of all. Titan A.E. is unjustly underrated as well.
wait he died?
+darkduck2000 No. He just stopped doing movies. He is working on getting a Dragon's Lair movie made.
+Rashad Moore Which is probably canceled much to DreamWorks doing a Captain Underpants movie.
An American Tail is Don Bluth's greatest work.
Uh, no. This is.
I love this movie. So sad to hear of what happened to Elizabeth Hartman :(
Hello Doug. I don't know if you'll be able to see this comment, but I sure hope you do.
7 years have passed, and this video, its themes and the messages you explain still hold up to this day. The entire explanation of how neither science, nature or the unknown are right on their own, and how there has to be a balance between the three is really thought provoking. It honestly left me shocked (in a good way). I'm starting to remember so many problems that humanity has created in the past, and somehow they all share one thing: They mostly happened because someone (or a group/mass of people) were inclined more to one side of this trio instead of respecting all three. Using religion, science, politics and whatever field you can imagine as excuses for their actions. Of course this video doesn't really analyze deeply how this balance works and how it should be kept, but the simple fact that you were able to bring out such a deep truth out of an animated film of the 80s really surprises me, and in a way... it has inspired me.
The Secret of NIMH is one of my favorites movies of all time, and seeing how it holds up after nearly 4 decades is impressive. The themes of the unknown and the unexplained have always attracted me since I was a child, which is why as an adult I want to create works of fiction that manage to capture those feelings as much as The Secret of NIMH does.
I want to thank you for giving your passion for this film, and so many others, and for bringing up so many great themes and ideas out of films and visual media. Many of your videos help me realize things I couldn't have before, so keep up the good work.
the stone is Hal 9000.
and now I can't unsee it.
It's over 9000!
Erick Horton It's Hal 9001.
Are you kidding? That's his brother Tal
Then why does it set Mrs. Brisby's paws on fire?
Dude...that's freaking deep
his pronounciation of deus makes my head hurt.
KeijiMaeda86 well aren't you a treat?
+The Dude
Good to know I'm not the only one.
+The Dude Well that's just like... your opinion, man.
thanks for....... clarifying, man.
+Seamus Rae i c wat u did there
I love your interpretation of this movie! Science, nature, and the unknown are an interesting triad of conflicting and coexisting ideas to contemplate. The secret of Nimh is one of my favorite animated movies, it's wonderful in so many ways.
I wish there was a movie of the journey of johnathan brisby but I don't think hollywood would write it well
so like the book?
@@Evilriku13 The magic stuff did not happen in the book, Don Bluth probably added it in, because the story is already enough as is.
I just found out that Don Bluth still alive. Where has he been!?
Update: Yes I'm aware he is making a Dragon Lair movie. I hope it doing well and I hope will see it some day.
All I know is that Don Bluth is teaching animation in a university or something like that.
He's working on animated films still I heard but not for sure
***** animat's animation look back series on youtube look it up
Ryan G Thankfully he basically stopped making movies.
I dont think he has done any Movies in a very long time.
Dude, I'm 36..the secret of nihm has been in my life since it was my favorite story as a child. It also made an impression then, as a child.
The questions you are trumpeting where mostly answered before you made this video with an incredibly abrasive voice.
A very interesting theory Doug. You've just made me love one of my favorite movies even more.
I can't say I've ever given much thought to why such a seemingly out of place aspect to the story the Stone *is.* I saw The Secret of NIMH as a child and it captivates me to this day. I do appreciate Doug's take on it, though. Now if only we could harness the Stone's power to eradicate the sequel...
I have to say I'm in the whole "deus ex" camp on this movie. Throughout the whole thing the theme that came across stronger than any other for me is the almost horror-esque scenario that Mrs Brisby goes through and just what lengths she's willing to go to to save her children. Under ordinary circumstances she could just move, but Timmy's pneumonia makes it impossible, and thus Mrs Brisby ultimately goes through the entire film to move the house or stop the farmer and through her struggle becomes a compelling hero. Even the rats to me felt like merely another obstacle she had to face in order to save her family, and that's why the stone really irked me. For all her courage and sheer incredible will, the whole thing gets solved by magic when the far more powerful part of that whole climax for me was when she jumped in the mud to save her kids. For me, that's what the whole thing's about.
Animation (Japanese and otherwise) has been rewarding positive traits for multiple generations. Mrs. Briz had to go through several challenges, but through all of it, she did what had to be done. There was no doubt she was timid and scared witless, but she did what had to be done for her kids (especially Timmy). It was not magic that saved her family, it was her sheer will and her courageous heart. That activated the power within the Stone.
@@LogoMan7777 the stone says "you can open any door if you only have the key" This is what "The Secret of NIMH" is. listen to the song "flying dreams" which is sung in the movie and in the end credits- by both a womans voice "Mrs. Brisby"ua-cam.com/video/HCMkZGs4jeA/v-deo.html and at the end by a mans voice presumably Johnathon Brisby ua-cam.com/video/NTlRrgE8wWM/v-deo.html
also note that the songs are slightly different.
It bugs me too, the scene was beautifuly animated and such, but it might have felt better if the stone's "real power" wasn't basically making Mrs. Brisby an wizard or psychic for one scene. I mean Nicodemus' other basically magic feats give a precident for that stuff but the scale felt off- maybe if it instead let her go and save her kids like when she tried to dive into the mud, some sort of protection rather than pulling a Yoda with added pyrotechnics. The way it dramatically affected the rats watching was good though, its nice that they for all their intelligence and knowledge were also flabergasted at what happened.
Such an underrated gem!
you know a movie is deep when a movie critic tries to define it's meaning.
I do like your interpretation of this movie, Mr. Walker, but I have a slightly different interpretation of this movie.
To me, "The Secret of NIMH" is about the power of passion, especially the power of a mother's passion to protect her children. Mrs. Brisby is so passionate about protecting her children from inevitable doom that she's willing to overcome her greatest fears to pull it off, with the Stone representing this passionate courage at its peak. The Rat society is also facing up against their inevitable doom, and there are two opposing forces of passion going on among them. Nicodemus is trying to drive the Rat society towards greatness through change, while Jenner is trying to keep change from happening because of the risks. As for Justin, he represents the faithful soldier loyal to a good cause. The Rats have placed a lot of faith in Jonathan Brisby in the past, so Nicodemus is sure that Mrs. Brisby will somehow help his people move forward, hence the reason he gives her the Stone. But sadly, a good cause isn't always enough, which is why Jenner kills Nicodemus. Jenner exposes the flaws of maintaining the status quo in the face of inevitable doom by nearly having them stay as NIMH is on its way (in the book, he gets a group of followers and leads them down a path that quickly results in all their deaths), attacking Brisby in an attempt to cement his status, and getting killed by the no-longer-loyal henchman that he betrayed. Nicodemus, at his death, served as a martyr for Justin and Brisby, which lead them to the peak of their passion and to the downfall of Jenner. Despite the good cause initially failing and submitting to fear and possibly tyranny, it was both the faith and passion of Justin for the good cause and Mrs. Brisby for the well-being of her family...perhaps especially her...that led to both the Brisby home and the Rat society dodging their inevitable doom, with the moral of the story being that you can achieve the greatest of things as long as you are driven by your passion to succeed, your faith in a good cause, and especially your love for your friends, family, and people. It's the story of our own lives and society, and a great lesson for all generations to have. It's just being told in the form of cute mice and mutant rats.
OH MY GOD
A well thought-out UA-cam comment?!??!!!?
very deep and can be said either way. I need to see it again to view my interpretation, but with what I heard doug say on here and with what I see on this comment I can say that to me it represents change, the ability to accept and the heart and drive to protect what matters the most when it is needed. When it comes down to it the smallest person can do anything as long as you have the heart to succeed with it.
Like the ending song says: "love is the key"...
None of these are mutually exclusive and all of these themes are present in the film alongside those mentioned in the video.
I was just about to say the same thing
I didn't watch the Secret of NIMH, but the book it's based on, Mrs. Frisbee and the Rats of NIMH, is one of my favorites. I read it for the first time in fifth grade and have loved it ever since, and I think the science vs. nature idea works just as well there.
You need to see the movie. "Timid fieldmouse discovers courage, burns herself, and gets telekinetic powers" beats "really smart rats move cinderblock without much of a hitch" anyday. I tried getting into the book after the movie, but I just couldn't.
Yeah the movie is actually arguably better than the book, even though Mrs Frisby & the Rats of NIMH is an outstanding book (pretty sure it won an award or two🏅🎖). NOTE: this is a long one, so strap yourself in, fellow youtubers!!😎
Movie adaptations, in general, rarely ever meet the standards of the original media that they're based out of, let alone exceed it in both elegance & excellence.
What I find most interesting is that the author of the book, Robert C. O'Brien, had a daughter, Jane Leslie Conly, whom, strangely enough, continued her father's works after his death. There is, in fact, a legitimate sequel to Mrs Frisby & the Rats of NIMH, which is called Rasco & the Rats of NIMH, followed by R-T, Margaret, & the Rats of NIMH. I know I enjoyed Rasco one, although not as much as the first, but I don't really remember too much about the third one, even though I did think it was pretty good too.
Unfortunately, the travesty that is the secret of nimh 2: Timmy to the rescue was probably rectified out of Conly's two sequels, perhaps slightly pilfering a microscopic bit of the plot from her second book, although having barely anything in common with them, which was sort of what I was hoping for.
I still say The Secret of NIMH is better than the book. Those who watch the movie first and then the book will be sorely disappointed.
I like this movie very much, but I disagree about it being better than the book. the book didn't have the magic stone or any of the supernatural plotlines. it was more about the rats becoming intelligent and also developing a conscious about stealing to exist. it goes into much more detail about the rats history and explains how and why things are the way they are for them. there was no need to gloss it all over by it just happening by magic.
My story exactly, wow. Like, I was even in the same grade as you mentioned here. Odd, but cool.
Well, The book focused a ton more on the science and how they survive... And it didn't have any magic...
I always wonder where the " Magic Book" came from.
The care bears are sweet, colorful, adorable, fluffy angels...with holy hand grenade laser powers
This is the best video about the Secret of Nimh, bravo 👏👏👏& in case anyone wants to know what NIMH stands for is The National Institute Of Mental Health,how do I know this,there is a video somewhere explaining the meaning of Nimh because the director of the film was interviewed
just watched this movie last night and it's basically everything you'd expect from a Don Bluth film. It has animal cruelty, the villain dies on screen, we got a child dying from pneumonia and the caves and houses they go to are haunting to look at. This was a great start for him since this was his directorial debut and I myself had trouble understanding it. Now that you explained it in great detail I do understand it better now. Mrs. Brisby was my favorite character because she wanted nothing more but to save her sick son because after the death of her husband I feel sorry for her that she now has to raise her 4 kids alone, and that is something that is never easy.
I saw this just this very afternoon on UA-cam (for free) and I STILL loved this very film, ever since I was a kid in the 90s on VHS at the time, as I will cherish it as one of my favorite old-school films of all time!
as a child this movie hypnotized my mind and heart, i remember desperately asking my mom to tell me what it meant, the mystery was endlessly perplexing to me as well as deeply moving for reasons i couldn’t understand
Well most Don Bluth films are excellent pieces. Whether or not the meaning you have found was intended or not is besides the point as far as I'm concerned as I think that the most value to be found in any art is the value that the audience finds for themselves.
I've never heard of science and nature butting heads. And I don't know why artists and writers insist that these things are at odds with one another. As a science student and atheist (not pushing it on anybody. if you believe in god or religion or whatever, that's cool brah), I've always been taught that science is merely a tool, used FOR the benefit of understanding nature, so that we, as a society can grow more ethical and understanding of our place in nature. To me, science is the conduit through which I understand, respect and appreciate nature and the unknown. As I see it, the mistakes we make, using science, in offense against nature or ethics has always been the result of us not understanding science well enough. We didn't know what lead can do to the body... so we put it in everything. We didn't know the science of smoking and such, so we advertised it and glorified it. We didn't know the damning effects of misuse of nuclear power, so we weaponized it and weren't careful... We didn't understand genetics and neuroscience well enough, so we were more inclined to racist and sexist ideologies. We don't teach and understand Darwinian evolution well enough, so people have interpreted it justify cruel and unethical things like eugenics, social Darwinism, and put humans on a pedestal... Science isn't right or wrong. It's a tool for understanding the truth. It's water. That water can be used to quench somebody's thirst or drown them...
And regarding the unknown, yes there are a lot of things that we don't know. And perhaps these things will never be known. But the alternative should not be that we should STRIVE to replace the unknown with assumptions. At the forefront of all fields in science, people have always made leaps in logic to justify horrible things. And sure, some assumptions don't seem as harmful as eugenics and such, but try to understand, first. The more we understand, the better we become at respecting our place in nature, the better we become at making sure we don't overstep our bounds, because it teaches us better where the bounds are, in the first place. And in this regard, science, to me, is the most optimistic thing I could take part in.
I'd like your comment if my stupid android UA-cam app actually had a like function
+darkduck2000 Mine does. XD
It's nice that you see it that way. It'd be ideal if every student of science saw it that way. However, science and nature often, often, often "butt heads". For example, science is responsible for coal burning power plants. Science created nuclear weaponry. It's ideal to think that we misuse things simply because we don't fully understand them, but that's not the case. We often misuse things intentionally for personal gain with full regard for it's consequences.
I agree with you, obviously, that science is neither right nor wrong, but as a student of science, it's pretty silly for you to say "I've never heard of science and nature butting heads." Come on.
Ryan O Science is a subject. It can't do anything. It's simply an understanding humans have about the natural world.
I can tell you an equation and leave it at that, and you can take that equation to do one thing or another... The equation should not then be held responsible for what you do with the equation... regardless of whether what you do is good or bad.
It would be rather silly for you to hold E=MC^2 responsible for Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And it would be rather silly for you to hold the laws of thermodynamics responsible for environmental destruction by coal plants.
And so in that regard, I maintain: I've never heard of science and nature butting heads.
On the contrary, people and nature have butted heads plenty of times.
Failing to recognize the difference between the two statements above is incredibly harmful to both science and humanity as a whole, because we still have a LOT of problems which we need science to solve, and whether those problems get solved quickly and efficiently depends on peoples attitudes towards science and its relationship with people and nature.
Think faith vs skepticism.
For the longest I thought Don Bluth films were Disney films
im_not_spidey No one can blame you for thinking that.
well he used to work for disney around robin hoods time so it rubbed off a bit.
@@tracyndiyob162 The magic stuff did not happen in the book, Don Bluth probably added it in, because the story is already enough as is.
this is one of my all time favorite movies!
Loved this movie. It is one of my sister's all time favorites.
I just remembered this, but I did speak with the director of Nimh in 2019 at the Video Game Classic show in Wisconsin. He and I talked at length of the art style, the flow, and some uncertainties that I addressed when I was a kid, and this was my favorite movie.
I can't remember all that was said, but it had much to do with the lesson of "whenever you're cornered with not much else, take the step forward and do something."
The book, Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH, came out 11 years prior to the movie and explain a majority of these themes quite well.
do-us ex machina? really?
Yes
lunarraythefox what is that?
lunarraythefox i know right? clearly it's "deh-oos ex machina" (?
+Adrian Fahrenheit i think day-oos x mac-in-uh sounds more like it but what ever
pitcaster It's a term in Greek theater meaning man and machine. Basically it was the part of a Greek play where a god came in and fixed all of the problems that exist. Nowadays it's used to represent a part of a movie or play where something just shows up and resolves everything.
That movie was really confusing and scary at points when I first saw it, but I feel like I grow to appreciate it more with each viewing. Conceptually and creatively, it's one of the more original animated films and stories I've experienced with elements that, as NC's demonstrated, provoke deep thought on many levels.
Personally, I always figured that the stone was just magic or that the experiments on the rats caused the most gifted of them to gradually develop some flashy form of telekinesis. For all I know, it's the Philosopher's stone? However you try to explain it, I feel that sometimes leaving certain aspects of a story open to interpretation is not always a weakness or plot hole but occasionally one of its greatest strengths.
By reviewing and discussing it, we prove just how much of an impression it left on us to begin with. Granted, this is not always a positive outcome, but the way such elements are executed can make it a part of the joy and wonder that reflects our child-like fascination with the unknown.
Overall, NIMH is a good film to me and a fine example of how successful a story can be when it dares to be different. It tried things that, if done poorly, may have sunk it. Having the courage to take that chance with genuine care is part of what made it a classic.
Secret of nimph is one of my all time favourite films, I love it the more I see it.
I've always believed that Nickadimus was so intelligent and so pure that he was able to bring magic to the world. I also believe the stone had something to do with Mrs Brisbee husband as the stone is placed in a box as Nickadimus says goodbye to Jonathan, thus assuming both he and Nickadimus were far more intelligent. You can almost assume that on his death Jonathan became the stone as it's never used again.
One of my favorites. Always will be. Visually it’s impressive
The pendant is the light from Plato's cave.
Easy explanation of the Stone: it's an Infinity Gem. Come on Marvel, you know you want to adapt this into a comic!
This confirms the rat that brought Ant-Man back was originally from NIMH, and knew exactly what it was doing :P
@@Aabicus The magic stuff did not happen in the book, Don Bluth probably added it in, because the story is already enough as is.
Animated movie review : Secret of kells! pretty please!?
Well sure. But there are clues about the stone. For example, that at the beginning Nicodemus had it and he always talks about Jonathan when he’s holding it. And his keen interest in Jonathan’s widow as well and the fact that he gives the stone to her. It seems fairly obvious that Jonathan and Nicodemus were very close friends. And that they collaborated on making that stone to be a key to unlocking the potential of the lower animals. When Nicodemus mentions that the serum slows their aging process and that Jonathan was reluctant to tell her about that, how he and his children were all going to far outlive her, it seems clear that he would’ve wanted to cheat that if he could. And they weren’t going to inject her with serum but they could give her some magical abilities. This was the “key” for her to be more like the rats. Inventing such a powerful device though would be risky if it fell into the wrong hands so they made sure it was linked to courage of the heart as that is “rare” and not often a quality of evil. But it is also a quality she has. No doubt her husband loved that about her. And maybe that’s why he fell in love with her even though she wasn’t at the same level as him mentally.
But I like your point that we can’t define magic and no matter how advanced science is, there will always be an element of magic in life that is a deep mystery. These rats unlocked a door to it, but there were further doors ahead. And always will be.
Maybe they'll explain the origins of the stone in the cgi/ live action prequel that's coming out in a couple of years.
Jordan3D Lord I hope not.
Jordan3D live.....action. nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
+Jordan3D That movie had better be absolutely SPECTACULAR, or I swear I'll petition to have everyone in Hollywood that made it fired from making more movies...
+Jordan3D By the way, I'm going to make a prediction: just like we've been having gritty live action reboots of classic Disney movies, we're in for a barrage of dark and gritty live action reboots of Don Bluth films.
First off, they would have to be downright disturbing in order to get any darker and grittier, and second off...I really hope not.
+Jordan3D yeah, I'm sure Shyamalan can figure it out
I truly love this video. Really makes you think more into the movie. I grew up watching this movie all the time and now it makes me appreciate the movie even more.
6 years later I still remember this review. 👏
The stone takes strength out of the heart connections of whoever has lost a loved one. The love isn't really gone and I think its their next step to living independently with heart alone. They just don't all know it yet, course. Corny, but works :)
The rats have both magic and science... That's so unfair!!!
When Doug said to probably not watch the video if you haven't seen the movie, I immediately did just that and watch it all just to watch this video.
1982 this film had a weak box office then, faded into obscurity. Thanks to the internet, its been found again!
and furries
@@yeoldeseawitch The magic stuff did not happen in the book, Don Bluth probably added it in, because the story is already enough as is.
I wouldn't read into it too much. The medallion is just an addition to the movie that wasn't in the book whatsoever. No magic is seen in the book, so the addition of the like in the movie is just pure flair for children or so forth. It in no way diminishes from the story, but it is just an addition for the film.
And Jenner isn't in the story other than references and flashbacks, so another addition is made for the movie. I suspect that one is just to add opposition and more strife for Mrs. Frisby (why did they change her name to Brisby?)...
cause that's a stupid last name I thought it was Brimsby when I was 5.
Souji Monaru The problem with your explanation is that NC is speaking of the movie, which is separate as a work, from the book. The movie, in and of itself, holds up without ever knowing the book. The movie contains the stone , which I agree with NC represents what is unexplained. Like the protagonists courage and fortitude in the face of danger. I see it as representing what would otherwise be represented by an internal monologue of the struggle she has to do what she feels she must. It represents any number of concepts that are basically similar. Spirituality, resolve, determination. Whatever label you want to give it.
Oni Raptor
Only pointing out that it isn't in the book, so it is its own separate entity. It doesn't need an explanation behind it, other than that Bluth decided the movie needed something shown visually to represent a token of courage.
With regard to the amulet, it is a metaphor for believing in one's self. Remember the quote, "Courage of the heart is very rare, the stone has a power when it's there." It helps symbolize her courage and the power of the stone to help rescue her children...a miracle, if you will. God stuff. Granted, it isn't in the original novel, but we felt that it was much more powerful. Nicodemus says it was Jonathan's, but really just to get her to accept it. We didn't really think it was necessary to explain it further. Seems like we would eat up too much screen time to tell the history of the amulet, when the story was about an innocent widow mouse, who, thru her journey would find out that she has the courage to rescue her own family. Regarding magic, we really believe that animation calls for some magic, to give it a special "fantastic" quality. The stone or amulet is just a method of letting the audience know that Mrs. Brisby has found 'Courage of the Heart'. Magic? Maybe. Spiritual? Yes." - Don Bluth
They changed her name to Brisby because the Frisbee company threatened to sue.
Thanks for clarifying your theory here, Doug. I was a little confused by it, but this nicely put it into perspective and I think I can agree. I'm not sure I can go with you quite so far, but I think I see your point and I think it's a good one.
One of my favorite childhood movies!
I think this is one of the best videos on NIMH. In addition to having explained very well the contrast between nature and science, you have also used your own toeria to describe the magic stone. I found it very interesting and intelligent.
my son was born two days ago, i can't wait to show this movie to him when he is older... it was one of my favorite as a child!
My brother is named after a character in this movie. My mom asked what I'd like his name to be, and I told her, "Justin the good rat." So she named him Justin. Still makes me happy thinking about it.
Favorite Childhood movie. just saw they came out with a sequel and you guys remembered it for me
This will be my 1st time seeing this movie and bring back my childhood again. Gotta say I have been an artist for 6 year's and still have a long way go. But this movie putting my childhood life together and everyone's childhood life together.
This movie taught me the message, that there is nothing more powerful then the love a mother or father has for there children.
I know this isn't always the case, that there are bad parents, neglectful parents, or worse. But the mothers and father who try, who change their lives to give their children good lives, who even struggle hard to have children of their own, really, how can it be doubted when theres real love, a mother or fathers loves is more powerful then science or nature itself.
I would argue that even beyond religion and faith, it doesn't matter what you believe, if at the core of it we do what we do for those we love.
*after watching the movie* Yeah it was good but I can't really see what all the fuss is about. Like, why do people love it so much?
*after watching this video* Shit, this movie is amazing.
WCRfan126 It's an amazing film, an one of Bluths best.
Your voice sounds like weird al yankovich having a conversation in character. Good vid
The first time I saw the movie, the first thing that went through my head was What the Hel is this.
Good analysis. Much agree on many points. Thanks. Good edit.
Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH was a required reading book when i was in grade school i remember loving the movie even though there were so small changes to the story. beautifully made movie!
excellent episode doug
Secret of Nimh Fan-cast remake:
Mrs. Brisby- Jessica Chastain,
Jeremy the crow- Bill Hader
Justin- Chris Evans
The Great Owl- Donald Sutherland,
Nicodemus- Sir Ian McKellan,
Jenner- Michael Fassbender
The mystery of the stone in this movie reminds me of the mystery of the monolith in 2001: A Space Odyssey.
I always thought it came down to the outcomes of awareness and intelligence, and with the rats being so closer to nature at the time of their evolution, it made some of them (or specifically, 3 of them) close to a very primal source of energy. You have Jonathan, who was an unstoppable badass in his own rights, but was possibly on to something a bit bigger, which he might've handed on to a successor, Nicodemus. He wasn't his son or anything, but Jonathan taught him the ways of whatever magic they had stumbled upon in their escape from NIMH. Mrs. Brisby was a living combination of all these things, both John's adventures, the NIMH formula and whatever it was, only she wielded it for purely positive purposes, to protect life. When she had the courage to pull that burning hot Stone out of the mud, the power and her became one and allowed for the miracle. If we absolutely gotta define this stuff, that's where I'm going with it.
There's a question that still bothers me, if rats were shown to have gain intelligence by the experiments, have the other animals that do show up besides rats gained that intelligence too? Or are they still kinda the same (I ask because it doesn't explicitly say if they were experimented on too or not)
considering in the movie the only other sentient animal we see outside mice/rats is mrs. shrew, jeremy the crow and the girl he hooks up with at the end i think its implied the animal world was sentient to a degree but the experiments by nimh(which i think were based off of real life illegal experiments.) made them understand human concepts like electricity,necessities and "life outside the forest".
i guess an example would be the great owl who has the same eerie otherworldly feel as nicodemus(possibly couldve been an experiment that helped him,jonathan and mr. ages lead the other rats back home or even taught the animals the ways of man like a short i saw a long time ago.)
@Brutus Tan I did not know that, I guess that explains it alot better to me, thank you :)
That little Timmy to the Rescue joke almost pointed out that one moment where Secret of NIMH 2 showed Timmy as a real hero. He was given a huge opportunity to turn to NIMHs evil and if he just said yes to his brothers eric idle voice. He would have been better off if he said yes, but he said no to evil, and suffered for it. Yes Timmy to the rescue was a musical and not as dark and epic as the first one, but that is what makes a real hero, rejection of wrong even when you would be better off if you choose wrong.
enlightened... very good work.
Who's still waiting for the Care Bears-Economics editorial?
This movie is very thought provoking isn't it.
Not really
@@vranimirvranov4082 The magic stuff did not happen in the book, Don Bluth probably added it in, because the story is already enough as is.
So... Science, the unknown and nature are kind of the essence of life and death...
Science...
Unknown...
Nature...
S.U.N...?
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...Well, that was dumb. The answer was there, bright as he can, saying "IT'S ME, YA MORONS" and we took for granted. Neat.
It's all like "HEY YOU LITTLE SHITS THE ANSWER IS UP HERE MORONS"
Very beautiful and dark underrated movie
This movie was...ummm...terrifying for a 5 year old child. I now know why I was so scared of this as a child and honestly I think it was a good lesson. However, I still...was somewhat....traumatized....by seeing this in my youth.
I absolutely loved this as a kid
THE SECRET OF NIMH
Y U NO ON THE NATIONAL FILM REGISTRY??
I know it's late to Comment on a video this old and everything, but God, did I really need this particular video. I just finished watching the movie and I enjoyed it a fair bit looking at it on my own. I loved its bold darkness, earnestness and lack of musical numbers for a "family" "cartoon" most of all, for doom and gloom comfortably sits as my outlook on all life. However, I thought it was little more than a competently made, by-the-numbers animated adventure for the following reasons:
1. Dastardly Whiplash villain (the Disney Renaissance had these too, except for Frollo in _Hunchback of Notre Dame);_
2. Minimal character changes ("WANT vs. NEED" or "FACADE vs. INNER SELF") by the end of the movie (I mean, I suppose Mrs. Brisby NEEDed to prove she was courageous enough to achieve her WANT, which she did by letting her INNER SELF act on the situation, but Jeremy achieved his WANT without doing squat);
and 3. The seeming Deus-Ex-Machina in the very foreign and unexplained Stone device.
Not only did this video answer everything that I had needed and hoped for, but I was left endlessly mystified and spellbound by the themes being talked about as well. All in all, a fantastic editorial in my eyes.
I'd also like to share my opinion of the "science/nature/unknown" struggle while I'm here. I personally believe that we, as a dominant population on this Earth, should use our vast advances, knowledge and yes, even unexplainable miracles, to help as many of each other and other creatures to have an equal shot in survival and reaping of life's wonders.
Love this show. Scared me to death when I was a kid though...😱
this movie strikes me on personal levels as I was put on riddelin as a kid and anti depressants, but always wondering if it was nesissary and what it was doing to my body. As far as the scene at the end where she lifts the block out of the mud, the most obvious symbolism is the mother's will to protect her children. Like those stories where ppl can summon incredible strength in times of crisis and lift cars. It could also be saying that its not about your size or strength but will to survive. Many possibilities...
This is quite literally one of the only films that has ever made me cry.
But hey that's just a theory.
A FILM THEORY!!!!!!
This is also one of my favourite movies.
In this video, we come closer to founding out the secret of NIMH, but not the secret of why in the video title, it's called NIHM.
Mark Casey I heard somewhere - I forget where - that NIMH stands for "National Institute of Mental Health," which could explain why those rats and mice acquired human intelligence.
So, to create intelligent rats, we must conduct experiments with them involving mentally unstable humans. Of course! Don't I know anything about science?
Chaos89P Just need to read the original book Mrs Frisby and the Rats of NIMH to see the name spelled out. Also I think one of the trucks in the movie has it spelled out too...
ワニガト Wanigato The joke is that NIMH was misspelt in the title at the time.
yes it is a good movie, but it does a horrible adaption of the book its based of "Mrs. Frisby and the rats if NIMH. the main one is there is no magic and they changed the name to Brisby. I do recommend the book and the movie
I guess the director or writer thought there was more that could be done with it.
+Cody Hines true
He had to change the name from Frisby to Brisby because of the name being copyright by the toy "Frisbee"
pongo5000
I know I'D find that really distracting.
Luke Logue finally, someone points it out! I found myself asking throughout the whole video: "Did you read the book". I'm going to assume he didn't. :(
We read the book in 5th grade and had to right a creative piece about a possible sequel! I somehow ended up writing the movie script... and it scarred all of us.
It’s weird, I watched this movie as a child, but I only remember a handful of bits. Namely the owl and the final scene. But other than that, I don’t remember much else. My family lost, broke, or sold our VHS tape before I reached the age of 10, so I havent seen the film in 13+ years, sadly. I need to find some way to watch it again.
I just saw this film for the first time, because you kept talking it up. It was... ok. It had some good moments. But I think perhaps the Nostalgia Critic has been blinded by nostalgia. Mrs Brisby, a single mum being the heroic main character of a kids film was certainly an interesting idea, done well for the most part. But I would note that pretty much everything you talked about in the meaning of the film comes from the last 30 minutes, and there's a fair bit in that first 50 minutes that doesn't really amount to anything. Also, I don't really go in for that 'death of the author' bullshit when it comes to movie/literary analysis.
You missed it the stone was a gift for Mrs. Brisby by her husband Johnathon. In fact Nicodemus mentions it in the movie.
One of my favorite Don Bluthe (not disney movies) from my childhood and now my adult hood.